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David
2018-01-12 20:13:22 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell

There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.

The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.

"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."

Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-01-12 22:24:47 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced - though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
Does Gaiman have actual experience as a televsion producer?
anim8rfsk
2018-01-12 22:46:17 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced - though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
Does Gaiman have actual experience as a televsion producer?
He's got a bunch of credits, but I have no idea if he has actual
experience.
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2018-01-12 22:58:14 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
HUGE News! ... almost 1,000 Americans now subscribed to Starz ... even more than HULU!!!
RichA
2018-01-12 23:21:11 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Adam H. Kerman
2018-01-12 23:35:54 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at
seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have
money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to
begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American
network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Rich, I'm sure it's been mentioned 5,237 times on Usenet. The censorship
is NOT the fault of the FCC. It's Congress. To eliminate censorship of
television and radio airwaves, Congress would have to repeal the
provision in law. FCC can be taken to federal court for violation of the
Administrative Procedures Act, but not on the general principle that
such censorhip is unconstitutional.
RichA
2018-01-13 02:49:30 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at
seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have
money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to
begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American
network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Rich, I'm sure it's been mentioned 5,237 times on Usenet. The censorship
is NOT the fault of the FCC. It's Congress. To eliminate censorship of
television and radio airwaves, Congress would have to repeal the
provision in law. FCC can be taken to federal court for violation of the
Administrative Procedures Act, but not on the general principle that
such censorhip is unconstitutional.
So, how did they stretch the boundaries in the 1990's? So, the cowardice we see today is all due to some contralto singer ripping he shirt of some trollop?
Adam H. Kerman
2018-01-13 16:01:15 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at
seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have
money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to
begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American
network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Rich, I'm sure it's been mentioned 5,237 times on Usenet. The censorship
is NOT the fault of the FCC. It's Congress. To eliminate censorship of
television and radio airwaves, Congress would have to repeal the
provision in law. FCC can be taken to federal court for violation of the
Administrative Procedures Act, but not on the general principle that
such censorhip is unconstitutional.
So, how did they stretch the boundaries in the 1990's? So, the
cowardice we see today is all due to some contralto singer ripping he
shirt of some trollop?
Nipplegate was 2004 under G.W. Bush, at the halftime show of Superbowl
38, a stunt pulled by Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson, who was
wearing a large piece of jewelry on her breast so that only the nipple
of her right breast showed through. She covered herself almost
immediately. Allegedly Timberlake said it was his stunt and that he'd
never rehearsed it with her.

Michael Powell, chairman of FCC for no particular reason other than
being the son of Colin Powell, freaked out because he was watching tv
with his children who were apparently gravely injured due to the sight
of said nipple and would never recover from psychological harm. He was
in an actual position to do something about it and pursued a massive
fine versus CBS, which took FCC to court. Again, CBS was NOT in position
to argue First Amendment, just violation of administrative procedures.

No one anticipated that Powell would behave like this, who was expected
to be a toady for broadcasters.

The stuff in the '90's were the barage of complains from
pseudo-religious types who were organized to file recurring protests
with FCC for various incidents seen on tv. For the most part, it's not
thought that any of them had actually watched the program but were told
what to complain about. After Nipplegate, these complaints increased
given that FCC was willing to levy punitive fines.

FCC simply made live tv nonstandard. Everything has to be on tape delay
in case a live subject being interviewed on the news swears which has
happened on air during sports during games, some studio engineer can try
to bleep it out.

In the 1970, FCC repeatedly went after radio shock jocks, so none of
this is new.
BTR1701
2018-01-13 18:09:05 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at
seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have
money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to
begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American
network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Rich, I'm sure it's been mentioned 5,237 times on Usenet. The censorship
is NOT the fault of the FCC. It's Congress. To eliminate censorship of
television and radio airwaves, Congress would have to repeal the
provision in law. FCC can be taken to federal court for violation of the
Administrative Procedures Act, but not on the general principle that
such censorhip is unconstitutional.
So, how did they stretch the boundaries in the 1990's? So, the
cowardice we see today is all due to some contralto singer ripping he
shirt of some trollop?
Nipplegate was 2004 under G.W. Bush, at the halftime show of Superbowl
38, a stunt pulled by Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson, who was
wearing a large piece of jewelry on her breast so that only the nipple
of her right breast showed through. She covered herself almost
immediately. Allegedly Timberlake said it was his stunt and that he'd
never rehearsed it with her.
Michael Powell, chairman of FCC for no particular reason other than
being the son of Colin Powell, freaked out because he was watching tv
with his children who were apparently gravely injured due to the sight
of said nipple and would never recover from psychological harm. He was
in an actual position to do something about it and pursued a massive
fine versus CBS, which took FCC to court. Again, CBS was NOT in position
to argue First Amendment, just violation of administrative procedures.
A citizen can assert a 1st Amendment claim against any government entity
that violates the Constitution. If the court finds that an impermissible
imposition on speech has occurred as a result of the agency faithfully
following its enabling statute, then the statute itself is overturned in
whole or in part.
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2018-01-13 21:11:08 UTC
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Starz Boss Talks Through "Trouble" With 'American Gods' Exodus
by Michael O'Connell
There's still no word on when American Gods might find its way back on
the air.
The breakout Starz drama, renewed for a second season in summer 2017,
lost showrunners Bryan Fuller and Michael Green amid alleged budget
disputes on the pricey FremantleMedia North America production.
They've yet to be replaced — though, as Starz boss Chris Albrecht
tells it, they're still involved.
"We're having some trouble getting the second season underway,"
Albrecht told reporters gathered at the semiannual TV critics press
tour. "It has faced many of the challenges that terrific, complex
premium shows face when trying to get successive seasons, especially
when art comes before commerce."
Addressing Fuller and Green specifically, Albrecht claimed that they
were neither fired nor did they quit. They'll continue to be involved
"as much as they can be," while source material scribe Neil Gaiman
will take on the showrunner duties.
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot at
seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they have
money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in order to
begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps American
network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
Rich, I'm sure it's been mentioned 5,237 times on Usenet. The censorship
is NOT the fault of the FCC. It's Congress. To eliminate censorship of
television and radio airwaves, Congress would have to repeal the
provision in law. FCC can be taken to federal court for violation of the
Administrative Procedures Act, but not on the general principle that
such censorhip is unconstitutional.
So, how did they stretch the boundaries in the 1990's? So, the
cowardice we see today is all due to some contralto singer ripping he
shirt of some trollop?
Nipplegate was 2004 under G.W. Bush, at the halftime show of Superbowl
38, a stunt pulled by Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson, who was
wearing a large piece of jewelry on her breast so that only the nipple
of her right breast showed through. She covered herself almost
immediately. Allegedly Timberlake said it was his stunt and that he'd
never rehearsed it with her.
Michael Powell, chairman of FCC for no particular reason other than
being the son of Colin Powell, freaked out because he was watching tv
with his children who were apparently gravely injured due to the sight
of said nipple and would never recover from psychological harm. He was
in an actual position to do something about it and pursued a massive
fine versus CBS, which took FCC to court. Again, CBS was NOT in position
to argue First Amendment, just violation of administrative procedures.
A citizen can assert a 1st Amendment claim against any government entity
that violates the Constitution. If the court finds that an impermissible
imposition on speech has occurred as a result of the agency faithfully
following its enabling statute, then the statute itself is overturned in
whole or in part.
You're right, but plaintiffs are reluctant to rely upon asserting
civil rights claim under the Constitution solely as long as there are
statutory rights to asserts, as federal courts aren't going to rule
on the constitutional violation if the plaintiff will prevail on the
statutory violation. CBS probably felt its statutory claim was stronger
and wouldn't have necessarily prevailed on the constitutional claim
(beyond due process violation).

Federal courts tend to defer to government claims of "It will protect
children!" anyway.
Ed Stasiak
2018-01-13 02:25:14 UTC
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RichA
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot
at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they
have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in
order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps
American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
The Internet says there are over 98,000,000 cable tv subscribers in the U.S.
and 290,000,000 Internet users in the country, so who is watching broadcast
tv nowadays anyway?
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2018-01-13 03:53:52 UTC
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RichA
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot
at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they
have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in
order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps
American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
The Internet says there are over 98,000,000 cable tv subscribers in the U.S.
and 290,000,000 Internet users in the country, so who is watching broadcast
tv nowadays anyway?
Me. Just did me some YOUNG SHELDON and THE GOOD PLACE tonight.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-01-13 16:02:21 UTC
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RichA
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot
at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they
have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in
order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps
American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
The Internet says there are over 98,000,000 cable tv subscribers in the U.S.
and 290,000,000 Internet users in the country, so who is watching broadcast
tv nowadays anyway?
Me. Just did me some YOUNG SHELDON and THE GOOD PLACE tonight.
You have an outdoor antenna?
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2018-01-13 20:57:33 UTC
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RichA
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot
at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they
have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in
order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps
American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
The Internet says there are over 98,000,000 cable tv subscribers in the U.S.
and 290,000,000 Internet users in the country, so who is watching broadcast
tv nowadays anyway?
Me. Just did me some YOUNG SHELDON and THE GOOD PLACE tonight.
You have an outdoor antenna?
No, I've got DirecTV and a DVR. The question was, "who is watching
broadcast tv nowadays anyway?" not "who is watching broadcast tv with
an antenna?" I think the last time I used an antenna was the beginning
of 1991, right after we moved here and hadn't gotten cable yet.

There's a bare handful of households here still using antennas, FWIW.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-01-13 21:13:57 UTC
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RichA
If the major networks weren't run by toadies, you might get a shot
at seeing something like "American Gods" on one of them, since they
have money. But, they have no guts, won't stand up to the FCC in
order to begin eliminating some of the dated morality crap that keeps
American network TV in the maturity "Dark Ages."
The Internet says there are over 98,000,000 cable tv subscribers in
the U.S. and 290,000,000 Internet users in the country, so who is
watching broadcast tv nowadays anyway?
Me. Just did me some YOUNG SHELDON and THE GOOD PLACE tonight.
You have an outdoor antenna?
No, I've got DirecTV and a DVR. The question was, "who is watching
broadcast tv nowadays anyway?" not "who is watching broadcast tv with
an antenna?" I think the last time I used an antenna was the beginning
of 1991, right after we moved here and hadn't gotten cable yet.
There's a bare handful of households here still using antennas, FWIW.
I had an outdoor antenna at my last place. The picture was excellent,
much better than cable.

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