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2018-09-13 14:53:32 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
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2018-09-13 15:25:22 UTC
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2018-09-13 15:48:26 UTC
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I remember when Taco Bell came to Canada. For about 3 months, it was pretty decent quality, but then the quality of the stuff dropped. Uncertain as to why.
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2018-09-14 14:04:22 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
I remember when Taco Bell came to Canada. For about 3 months, it was pretty
decent quality, but then the quality of the stuff dropped. Uncertain as to
why.
They hired a new chef who puts cilantro in everything.
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2018-09-15 20:13:23 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
I remember when Taco Bell came to Canada. For about 3 months, it was
pretty decent quality, but then the quality of the stuff dropped.
Uncertain as to why.
They hired a new chef who puts cilantro in everything.
I wondered what happened to Bobby Flay!
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2018-09-15 20:15:34 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
I remember when Taco Bell came to Canada. For about 3 months, it was
pretty decent quality, but then the quality of the stuff dropped.
Uncertain as to why.
They hired a new chef who puts cilantro in everything.
I wondered what happened to Bobby Flay!
LOL, nope, not him. His food's not good enough for Taco Bell!

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/business/moneybox/2012/08/1208
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She even *dresses* like cilantro!
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2018-09-13 16:07:30 UTC
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Taco Bell can really hook me up when needed! But I really only ever get
their tacos, so I can't say anything about the rest of their menu... ;p
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2018-09-13 16:13:40 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
Taco Bell can really hook me up when needed! But I really only ever get
their tacos, so I can't say anything about the rest of their menu... ;p
Say, is Alberto's still around? They had great burritos.
David Johnston
2018-09-13 16:35:20 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
BTR1701
2018-09-13 17:01:12 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
And Johnston proves once again that he's constitutionally incapable of
getting a joke.
trotsky
2018-09-14 08:26:30 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
And Johnston proves once again that he's constitutionally incapable of
getting a joke.
Do you want to know why we had a Civil War too you stupid fuck?
Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-13 20:56:06 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
I agree with Johnston. That's not a reason to apologize for the
Electoral College.

The Electoral College is why Johnston cannot detect sarcasm.
super70s
2018-09-13 21:39:38 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
I agree with Johnston. That's not a reason to apologize for the
Electoral College.
Especially since the dominance of the EC gave us the two worst
presidential disasters in the past 20 years.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-14 00:22:11 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
I agree with Johnston. That's not a reason to apologize for the
Electoral College.
Especially since the dominance of the EC gave us the two worst
presidential disasters in the past 20 years.
I'm not in the mood for seamusshit coming from you. If you want to make
your own comment on the Elector College, do so WITHOUT taking my remarks
out of context.

I was making fun of Johnston for being utterly unable to detect sarcasm. It
wasn't a genuine comment on the Electoral College.
super70s
2018-09-14 03:48:32 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
I agree with Johnston. That's not a reason to apologize for the
Electoral College.
Especially since the dominance of the EC gave us the two worst
presidential disasters in the past 20 years.
I'm not in the mood for seamusshit coming from you. If you want to make
your own comment on the Elector College, do so WITHOUT taking my remarks
out of context.
Excuse me while I cue Steve Martin in your honor then.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-14 05:19:30 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
No it isn't.
I agree with Johnston. That's not a reason to apologize for the
Electoral College.
Especially since the dominance of the EC gave us the two worst
presidential disasters in the past 20 years.
I'm not in the mood for seamusshit coming from you. If you want to make
your own comment on the Elector College, do so WITHOUT taking my remarks
out of context.
Excuse me while I cue Steve Martin in your honor then.
You're utterly tiresome, seamus. Another sock burned completely through.
weary flake
2018-09-13 16:37:31 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
If there wasn't an Electoral College, Taco Bell would be president.
Ubiquitous
2018-09-13 17:34:44 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
If there wasn't an Electoral College, Taco Bell would be president.
Still bitter about Trump's electoral landlside victory over Crooked Hillary?
anim8rfsk
2018-09-14 14:05:46 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
If there wasn't an Electoral College, Taco Bell would be president.
'Now all Presidents are Taco Bell" - Sandra Bullock
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2018-09-15 00:14:40 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
If there wasn't an Electoral College, Taco Bell would be president.
'Now all Presidents are Taco Bell" - Sandra Bullock
Someone owes ME ice cream, or at the very least, a loco choco taco!!!!
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Ubiquitous
2018-09-13 17:32:09 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
Wait, did I miss the franchise wars?
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2018-09-13 18:32:47 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
Wait, did I miss the franchise wars?
In the nearest town to me Taco Bell actually is the best Mexican
restaurant. Guess how many Mexican restaurants there in that town.
Ubiquitous
2018-09-13 22:32:47 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
Wait, did I miss the franchise wars?
In the nearest town to me Taco Bell actually is the best Mexican
restaurant. Guess how many Mexican restaurants there in that town.
At least one.
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2018-09-13 22:34:12 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
How is this vote not merely a measure of who has the biggest footprint?
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2018-09-13 22:38:19 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
I have no idea if what they are saying about Taco Bell is true -
I've haven't eaten at one of them for at least 10 years.

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2018-09-15 20:15:51 UTC
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I have no idea if what they are saying about Taco Bell is true -
I've haven't eaten at one of them for at least 10 years.
Shit just got real at Taco Bell!

Craving a chalupa or a grilled stuffed burrito? Be careful to find a Taco
Bell that won't turn you away for speaking English. A woman in Florida
learned that sobering lesson the hard way.

According to the Miami Herald, video footage shows a drive-thru employee at a
Taco Bell in Hialeah, Florida, turning a woman away because she didn't speak
Spanish, sparking tremendous backlash on social media.

"The incident happened on Wednesday night, when Alexandria Montgomery was
trying to place an order — in English — at a Taco Bell drive-thru window,"
reports the outlet. "The employee refused to take her order because she
wasn’t speaking Spanish."

In the video posted on Thursday night, the woman grows increasingly annoyed
with her inability to communicate her order, prompting her to ask, "Do you
have a manager here?"

Speaking Spanish, the employee replied flippantly, "She is in her house
sleeping," adding that there was no one else to take the order.

"Honey, I have a car behind you," the employee says in Spanish and closes the
window. "Can you move please? I have an order behind you. There is no one who
speaks English."

"This is Hialeah, I’m sorry," the female employee said in Spanish, even going
as far to threaten calling the police.

Two other employees approached the drive-thru window but did not help the
situation. Montgomery finally gave up and left without making the order.

Hialeah is considered to have the largest Hispanic population in the United
States, according to the Miami Herald, with 89% of its residents identifying
as Spanish-speaking.

When posting the video on social media, Montgomery, a black woman, denounced
the Hilaleah Taco Bell as a "racist" establishment.

"Taco Bell in Hialeah racist asf," she said. "This lady understood what I was
saying but didn’t want to take my order talking bout she don’t speak
English."

In the video, Montgomery points out that even if the employee does not speak
English, she knows the menu and would have understood a basic order like
"number 6."

Taco Bell Corp. has apologized for the incident and told el Nuevo Herald that
"this does not meet our customer service expectations."

"We have worked quickly to resolve with the customer to ensure this doesn’t
happen again," a spokesperson said.

Montgomery said in an update that the Taco Bell employee has since been
fired. Friends and followers on Facebook were mostly supportive.

"Hialeah is still part of Florida and, as far as I remember, correct me if
I’m wrong, Florida is part of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, it’s a country
where English is the language we speak. This is a shame for the Hispanic /
Latino community," commented a Facebook user.
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2018-09-14 08:24:54 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
That's the stupidest motherfucking thing I've ever heard.
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2018-09-14 08:41:24 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
That's the stupidest motherfucking thing I've ever heard.
Honestly... post Trump, have you ever heard of a better reason to do so?
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2018-09-14 09:33:25 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
That's the stupidest motherfucking thing I've ever heard.
Honestly... post Trump, have you ever heard of a better reason to do so?
I'm not sure, I've only heard Trump comment on the "taco bowls" at Trump
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2018-09-15 21:43:19 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
That's the stupidest motherfucking thing I've ever heard.
As I understand it (and I remind you that I'm not an American) the
Founding Fathers wanted a method that could be completed in a single
afternoon (which wasn't possible in the late 18th century with a mass
popular vote) and didn't completely screw over the smaller states.

Even back in the 1770s/1780s they could see a chance that one state
could grow to dominate all the others. However no state has ever had a
population dominating the rest to the degree that Ontario has done
within Canada pretty much continuously since WW 2.
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2018-09-15 22:51:05 UTC
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This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
That's the stupidest motherfucking thing I've ever heard.
As I understand it (and I remind you that I'm not an American) the
Founding Fathers wanted a method that could be completed in a single
afternoon (which wasn't possible in the late 18th century with a mass
popular vote) and didn't completely screw over the smaller states.
Even back in the 1770s/1780s they could see a chance that one state
could grow to dominate all the others. However no state has ever had a
population dominating the rest to the degree that Ontario has done
within Canada pretty much continuously since WW 2.
Down here, we're beginning to see how it won't work in coming decades,
as most of the U.S. population will be living in around eight of the
states. This will turn federal-level representative politics on its
head.

Similarly, two of the last five presidential elections were won in the
Electoral College. Such wins are no longer an historical aberration.
Ed Stasiak
2018-09-16 02:59:33 UTC
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Even back in the 1770s/1780s they could see a chance that one state
could grow to dominate all the others. However no state has ever had
a population dominating the rest to the degree that Ontario has done
within Canada pretty much continuously since WW 2.
Down here, we're beginning to see how it won't work in coming decades,
as most of the U.S. population will be living in around eight of the states.
This will turn federal-level representative politics on its head.
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
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2018-09-16 11:49:48 UTC
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Even back in the 1770s/1780s they could see a chance that one state
could grow to dominate all the others. However no state has ever had
a population dominating the rest to the degree that Ontario has done
within Canada pretty much continuously since WW 2.
Down here, we're beginning to see how it won't work in coming decades,
as most of the U.S. population will be living in around eight of the states.
This will turn federal-level representative politics on its head.
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/55ad345a371d22dc0b8b711a-1200-900/haf-
of-us-population-county-map.png
Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority, so I
can see how it might be important to those with an interest in doing
that, i.e., the Republican Party, which has benefitted from those two
recent minority elections. However, the whole federal system is
screwed, top to bottom, thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of
population. There's just no fix for that.
Ed Stasiak
2018-09-16 14:31:25 UTC
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
However, the whole federal system is screwed, top to bottom,
thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of population.  There's
just no fix for that.
The “fix” is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
super70s
2018-09-18 07:12:53 UTC
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
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However, the whole federal system is screwed, top to bottom,
thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of population. There's
just no fix for that.
The "fix" is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
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2018-09-18 07:47:48 UTC
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Doesn't everyone? Has their ever truly been a democratic government in
the history of humanity? What we have isn't a democracy but a
representative democracy, but I'm sure you knew that.
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However, the whole federal system is screwed, top to bottom,
thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of population. There's
just no fix for that.
The "fix" is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
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Ed Stasiak
Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Doesn't everyone? Has their ever truly been a democratic government in
the history of humanity? What we have isn't a democracy but a
representative democracy, but I'm sure you knew that.
No. No, we don't. The present system of government is increasingly
unrepresentative, and things are only going to get worse because no fix
is possible.
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However, the whole federal system is screwed, top to bottom,
thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of population. There's
just no fix for that.
The "fix" is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
No. The Electoral College is not a "fix" for anything. In fact, the
EC makes the present-day situation worse because we've jettisoned the
idea that the business of representative government requires a level
playing field. The smaller states were never intended to dominate the
process, but that's what's happening. You should start paying some
attention to what's actually going on.

If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way, and sooner rather than later.
You might want to fix that before it happens, but maybe not.
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The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Doesn't everyone? Has their ever truly been a democratic government in
the history of humanity? What we have isn't a democracy but a
representative democracy, but I'm sure you knew that.
No. No, we don't. The present system of government is increasingly
unrepresentative, and things are only going to get worse because no fix
is possible.
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However, the whole federal system is screwed, top to bottom,
thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of population. There's
just no fix for that.
The "fix" is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
No. The Electoral College is not a "fix" for anything. In fact, the
EC makes the present-day situation worse because we've jettisoned the
idea that the business of representative government requires a level
playing field. The smaller states were never intended to dominate the
process, but that's what's happening. You should start paying some
attention to what's actually going on.
If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way, and sooner rather than later.
You might want to fix that before it happens, but maybe not.
The small states elected someone from a major state. What the Founding
Fathers didn't envision would be a candidate from a major state who
wouldn't be a Favorite Son or even be representative of his region of
the country.
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The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
Aargh.

Scalia's "originalism" came and went. Because he failed to acknowledge
the militia clauses, I don't consider Heller to be an originalist
position.

The thing is, 18th century interpretation of the Constitution is the
only thing that's saved our most basic civil rights found in the Bill of
Rights. Every time the interpretation is modernized, we lose civil
rights.

The problem is the 19th century interpretation of the 14th and 15th
amendments. The Slaughterhouse Cases notorious made an entire clause go
away. Plessy v. Ferguson, the Supreme Court deliberately wrote bad law
into their opinion because they believed they could hold off a race war.

I'm not going to agree with you here. The Founding Fathers would have
assumed that Congress, not the courts, would provide the mechanism in
legislation for modern government for a modern society. I don't want the
courts to do it. Judicial activism is typically more harmful than
beneficial. There are a few exceptions, but that's just because it
coincides with my opinion.
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Doesn't everyone? Has their ever truly been a democratic government
in the history of humanity? What we have isn't a democracy but a
representative democracy, but I'm sure you knew that.
No.  No, we don't.  The present system of government is increasingly
unrepresentative, and things are only going to get worse because no fix
is possible.
I’ll agree the government isn’t as representative as it should be (not by
a long shot) but this isn’t because of the EC, it’s because of the power
of money. A politician either takes the money offered by the Elites so
as to get elected, (and thus ends up in their pocket) or they’ll just give
the money to his opponent.

I’ve suggested in the past that the People ought to have a greater voice
in government policy by directly voting on major issues, such as NAFTA,
the War on Terror, etc.

No reason why today we can’t have say, quarterly elections every year
with voters coming out and directly making their wishes known on specific
legislation that affects the entire nation for years (possibly generations)
to come.
Post by shawn
The "fix" is the Electoral College, just as the Founding Fathers
envisioned it.
No.  The Electoral College is not a "fix" for anything.  In fact, the
EC makes the present-day situation worse because we've jettisoned
the idea that the business of representative government requires a level
playing field.
The EC does exactly that; it levels the playing field by insuring the President
isn’t elected by only the East and West coasts and that the people in every
state have a voice in his selection.

Eliminate the EC and every election will reflect Hillary’s 2016 campaign, where
candidates ignore the “deplorables” in the “fly over states” and cater exclusively
to a handful of cities with high population density while kowtowing to Hollywood
and Wall Street.

Horny Goat provided a good example just up-thread, pointing out that Ontario,
due to its large population, leads Canada around by the nose and the situation
in Illinois is similar, where Chicago’s (corrupt) will dominates the entire state.
If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous states
for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then California
et sim. will go their own way, and sooner rather than later. You might want
to fix that before it happens, but maybe not.
California can try and they can also starve to death if they do and I’ll point out
that populations shift and flow, with California being a minor player back in the
day while the old establishment “Back East” for the most part dictated the course
of the nation and there have also been recent shifts, such as the Rust Belt losing
population to states down south with the EC reflecting these changes.
Post by shawn
The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested interests,
envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be infallible.
They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a population
of nearly 325 million.
They anticipated exactly that, thus the Electoral College.

The election of the President shouldn’t simply be about numbers, as the 300+
million people of the U.S. scattered across 3.8 million square miles have wildly
different sub-cultures and attitudes and shouldn’t be disregarded simply because
they live in a square state.
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and middle-class
people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
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The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and middle-class
people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
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Post by super70s
The powdered wig crew of the 18th century, with their own vested
interests, envisioned a lot of things that turned out not to be
infallible.
They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".

(More than simply playing with words, that goes to the fundamental
regard -- i.e. statement vs. scripture -- we bring to the document.)
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
I can't find that Scalia ever said "set in stone", so I'll assume the
phrase is yours here. And I think 'circularity' applies to the
Constitution if the amendment process it prescribes has become, over
millennia, virtually unattainable (as it seems to have done in this
universe) rendering the Constitution immutable, i.e., set in stone.
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
I can't find that Scalia ever said "set in stone", so I'll assume the
phrase is yours here.
No, if you read the thread, you'll find it's "A Friend"s phrase.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe)
Millennia? You do realize the country is only 200-and-change years old,
right? And in that time, the Constitution has been amended 27 times, so not
exactly the 1000-year process you describe. The 27th Amendment was ratified
in 1992. Not exactly a lifetime ago.
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
I can't find that Scalia ever said "set in stone", so I'll assume the
phrase is yours here.
No, if you read the thread, you'll find it's "A Friend"s phrase.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe)
Millennia? You do realize the country is only 200-and-change years old,
right? And in that time, the Constitution has been amended 27 times, so not
exactly the 1000-year process you describe. The 27th Amendment was ratified
in 1992. Not exactly a lifetime ago.
(Yeah, I meant 'centuries' -- and was even sidetracked in my proofing by
initially misspelling 'millennia'). In degrees of political
polarization, I'd say 25 years *is* a lifetime ago -- and even that
Amendment seems to have been a relatively inconsequential one. Afaics,
it's quite unthinkable that, say, the 2nd Amendment will ever receive
the benefit of two centuries of subsequent deliberation -- not because
there hasn't been any, but because the status quo is so easily shielded.
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
I can't find that Scalia ever said "set in stone", so I'll assume the
phrase is yours here.
No, if you read the thread, you'll find it's "A Friend"s phrase.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe)
Millennia? You do realize the country is only 200-and-change years old,
right? And in that time, the Constitution has been amended 27 times, so not
exactly the 1000-year process you describe. The 27th Amendment was ratified
in 1992. Not exactly a lifetime ago.
(Yeah, I meant 'centuries' -- and was even sidetracked in my proofing by
initially misspelling 'millennia').  In degrees of political
polarization, I'd say 25 years *is* a lifetime ago -- and even that
Amendment seems to have been a relatively inconsequential one.  Afaics,
it's quite unthinkable that, say, the 2nd Amendment will ever receive
the benefit of two centuries of subsequent deliberation -- not because
there hasn't been any, but because the status quo is so easily shielded.
(I retract some of my diminishment of the 27th Amendment.)
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They didn't imagine a country that spanned the continent and had a
population of nearly 325 million. The idea that things today can be
run strictly along 18th-century lines is ludicrous, but we had fools
like Scalia claiming that the Constitution was set ins tone.
No, he doesn't claim it's set in stone. He merely says that if it's going
to be changed, it should be changed properly via the process provided for
in the document itself. Not changed via 'interpretation' at the whim of
nine unelected judges who are answerable to no one and have their jobs for
life.
Circularity alert: If it can be changed only as allowed by its own
provisions for doing so, then that's equivalent to "set in stone".
No, if it can be changed AT ALL, regardless of means, it's not set in
stone, especially considering the amendment process can be used to change
the amendment process itself if that's what we all collectively want.
I can't find that Scalia ever said "set in stone", so I'll assume the
phrase is yours here.
No, if you read the thread, you'll find it's "A Friend"s phrase.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe)
Millennia? You do realize the country is only 200-and-change years old,
right? And in that time, the Constitution has been amended 27 times, so not
exactly the 1000-year process you describe. The 27th Amendment was ratified
in 1992. Not exactly a lifetime ago.
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It was submitted by the 1st Congress to the states for ratification on September 25, 1789,
Thus it took 203 years to be ratified. Were you trying to prove his
point, dipshit?
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe) rendering the Constitution
immutable, i.e., set in stone.
The process has been the same from the start and with the growth
of electronic media, (particularly the Internet) its never been easier
to get your the message out there, so maybe its a case of the People
simply liking the Bill of Rights as it is?
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe) rendering the Constitution
immutable, i.e., set in stone.
The process has been the same from the start and with the growth
of electronic media, (particularly the Internet) its never been easier
to get your the message out there, so maybe its a case of the People
simply liking the Bill of Rights as it is?
No. It's a case of the parties being so at odds that they could never
agree to cooperate on something so large as an amendment.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe) rendering the Constitution
immutable, i.e., set in stone.
The process has been the same from the start and with the growth
of electronic media, (particularly the Internet) its never been easier
to get your the message out there, so maybe its a case of the People
simply liking the Bill of Rights as it is?
No.  It's a case of the parties being so at odds that they could never
agree to cooperate on something so large as an amendment.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe) rendering the Constitution
immutable, i.e., set in stone.
The process has been the same from the start and with the growth
of electronic media, (particularly the Internet) its never been easier
to get your the message out there, so maybe its a case of the People
simply liking the Bill of Rights as it is?
No. It's a case of the parties being so at odds that they could never
agree to cooperate on something so large as an amendment.
The hurdles that must be cleared to amend the Constitution are a feature,
not a bug. Otherwise you end up with a monstrosity like the California
Constitution, which can be amended with a sneeze and is now almost 500
pages long and has sections that completely contradict each other.
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And I think 'circularity' applies to the Constitution if the amendment
process it prescribes has become, over millennia, virtually unattainable
(as it seems to have done in this universe) rendering the Constitution
immutable, i.e., set in stone.
The process has been the same from the start and with the growth
of electronic media, (particularly the Internet) its never been easier
to get your the message out there, so maybe its a case of the People
simply liking the Bill of Rights as it is?
No. It's a case of the parties being so at odds that they could never
agree to cooperate on something so large as an amendment.
The hurdles that must be cleared to amend the Constitution are a feature,
not a bug. Otherwise you end up with a monstrosity like the California
Constitution, which can be amended with a sneeze and is now almost 500
pages long and has sections that completely contradict each other.
And, even 200 years later, they might *still* be a feature had they not
devolved into an ever-worsening ossification entirely contrary to their
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and middle-class
people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and middle-class
people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and middle-class
people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and
middle-class
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people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
Well, that's some serious stupid. Next you'll tell me that California
dumps fresh water into the ocean.
Dimensional Traveler
2018-09-19 03:33:16 UTC
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and
middle-class
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people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
Well, that's some serious stupid. Next you'll tell me that California
dumps fresh water into the ocean.
Worse, we ship it from the wet north to the desert south to dump into
the ocean.
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2018-09-19 05:26:45 UTC
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and
middle-class
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people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
Well, that's some serious stupid. Next you'll tell me that California
dumps fresh water into the ocean.
Worse, we ship it from the wet north to the desert south to dump into
the ocean.
And some of it evaporates on the way.
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2018-09-19 12:38:39 UTC
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic
catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and
middle-class
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people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship
and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move
out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to
pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
Well, that's some serious stupid. Next you'll tell me that California
dumps fresh water into the ocean.
Worse, we ship it from the wet north to the desert south to dump into
the ocean.
And some of it evaporates on the way.
According to Santos, the same thing happens with our nuke juice.
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2018-09-19 04:00:45 UTC
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If you keep thwarting the will of California and the other populous
states for the sake of those big but empty square ones out west, then
California et sim. will go their own way
California will commit suicide if it does that. After welcoming and
sheltering tens of millions of 3rd-world poor, all of whom continue to
arrive with their hands out, California would face economic catastrophe as
is if it broke away from the union. Add in all the wealthy and
middle-class
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people (like me) who wouldn't be keen on losing their US citizenship and
living in a socialist hellhole, and would therefore immediately move out,
taking most of the state's tax base with them and leaving it unable to pay
all those entitlements, and California would quickly disintegrate into
anarchy.
Plus we're gonna balk at sending you water and power.
You live in the desert. You don't send water to anybody.
The Hell we don't.
Well, that's some serious stupid. Next you'll tell me that California
dumps fresh water into the ocean.
Hee hee

So we send them the Colorado River. And most of the nuke juice from Palo
Verde, despite Santos saying you can't do that because nuke electricity can't
travel the distance like natural electricity.
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Oh, please. Put your histrionics away. The US is not and has never been a
democracy. It's a constitutional republic. And someone who believes the
Constitution is fine the way it is doesn't 'hate democracy'.

'Democracy' in and of itself is nothing to be admired, anyway. Without
anything to temper it, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's
for dinner.
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2018-09-19 09:19:46 UTC
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Oh, please. Put your histrionics away. The US is not and has never been a
democracy. It's a constitutional republic. And someone who believes the
Constitution is fine the way it is doesn't 'hate democracy'.
'Democracy' in and of itself is nothing to be admired, anyway. Without
anything to temper it, democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's
for dinner.
I prefer the "three wolves and two sheep voting on which sheep to eat",
myself.
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2018-09-18 16:34:28 UTC
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Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority
Nonsense, the Electoral College insures that the President will
represent the entire nation, not just NYC and LA.
In other words, you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote. If someone lives
in "evil populous" places like NYC and LA their vote should carry less
weight than someone who lives in Peoria, Ill. To put it simply, you hate
democracy.
Strawman noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

Lynch mobs are a democracy. If you love democracy, you are a racist.
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Even back in the 1770s/1780s they could see a chance that one state
could grow to dominate all the others. However no state has ever had
a population dominating the rest to the degree that Ontario has done
within Canada pretty much continuously since WW 2.
Down here, we're beginning to see how it won't work in coming decades,
as most of the U.S. population will be living in around eight of the states.
This will turn federal-level representative politics on its head.
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/55ad345a371d22dc0b8b711a-1200-900/haf-of-us-population-county-map.png
Which only goes to show how important the Electoral College is.
The Electoral College helps secure the tyranny of the minority, so I
can see how it might be important to those with an interest in doing
that, i.e., the Republican Party, which has benefitted from those two
recent minority elections. However, the whole federal system is
screwed, top to bottom, thanks to that wildly uneven distribution of
population. There's just no fix for that.
The Electoral College was created to ensure that Virginia dominated
national politicals in the early years of our nation. Washington,
Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe, were Virginians. Virginia was the most
populous state.

The Electoral College gives a bonus of two seats to every state, an
advantage for small states at the expense of large states. Nevertheless,
presidents tend to come from the more populous states.

Within each state, well, the legislature could choose to award
Electors on a proportionate voting scheme, but it tends to be winner
take all by plurality. We've had a handful of exceptions. There was a
period in which Maine awarded Electors by pluralilty to each of its two
Congressional districts, then the other two by plurality to the
statewide vote. Nebraska, with its unique unicameral legislature (every
state should have a unicameral legislature) has awarded Electors
differently than the rest of the country at times. I can't think of any
other examples.

I'm going to point out the obvious: Each and every presidential election
is an abberation. Yes, the Elector College skews results but it's just
part of the background noise of presidential elections.

Donald Trump, and Ronald Reagan before him, both came to national
prominence because the each man had created a larger than life persona
for network television. That has nothing to do with the Electoral College.

Trump beat someone the Democrats never should have nominated, the wife
of a former president. There's no way that anyone ever evisioned that
the wife of a former president would dominate national politics like
that.

But Trump really won because Hillary ran a campaign in such a way that
she gave few people a reason to vote for her, instead of just voting
against Trump. Black voters, in particular, didn't turn out to vote for
her with any enthusiasm as they once did for her husband and then Obama.

Hillary lost more than Trump won.

The Electoral College is a less important factor than Hillary running a
dreadful campaign and Trump being a national figure due to his network
television persona.

I'd prefer a direct election for president, but that's far less
important to me than dreadful quality of the nominees of both parties.
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2018-09-16 12:55:56 UTC
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http://www.azfamily.com/story/39063348/taco-bell-voted-best-mexican-restaurant-in-the-country?autostart=true
This is why we don't elect the president by popular vote.
By comparing restaurant popularity with politics? Pathological liar?
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