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Obveeus
2017-10-03 12:28:13 UTC
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I watched:

LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.

9JKL: The pilot episode of the new and totally unfunny CBS sitcom.
This is yet another sitcom where a spineless guy gets pushed around by
his overbearing family. One and done for me.

THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son, a clueless mom, and a cute
daughter. This pilot was overwrought with family hand ringing even
including the relationship pairing of the other GIFTED folks whom come
to help our main family. One and done for me.

THE GOOD DOCTOR: Our autistic doctor is settling in at work, but as the
newbie he gets nothing more than scut work...the junk tasks the real
doctors do not want to waste time with. Along the way he gets some
training on sarcasm and is pushed to the limits of his ability to
cooperate. Meanwhile, we find out that the people around him consist of
those hoping he will fail, those who steal credit for his work, and
those who are too spineless to stand up for him. Life as a doctor is
definitely going to be an uphill battle. Good episode, but I do wish
the show would just drop the childhood flashbacks.

What did you watch?
Ian J. Ball
2017-10-03 13:03:17 UTC
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What did you watch?
Work day, so not too much:

Greenhouse Academy (The Netflix) - "Breaking and Entering" (ep. #3).
The plot of this one seems to be moving at a glacial pace, which
doesn't make much sense as there are only 12 episodes.
In this one, the Feds try to pin a crime on Jessica Amlee's thief
character, but her fellow housemates among the Ravens rise to her
defense, and it looks like she's going to get off. Meanwhile, Eagles
captain Chris O'Neal has some kind of injury (and is taking some kind
of drug for it) that he's hiding from everyone, but his bitchy, nosy
girlfriend (Grace Van Dien) is investigating it. (Sidenote: Grace Van
Dien looks like she's lucky if she's five-foot-NOTHING! (IMDb says
5'3", but that seems *extremely generous*!))

The Last Ship (recorded) - "Lazaretto". Covered well in yesterday's
WDYW? thread by Jim G. I don't have much to add what he wrote, though I
guess the "caper mission" into mansion on the island to steal the
communications logs was kind of fun. Maybe now the C.P.O. Jeter will
get the medical care he so clearly needs...

Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this
one as much as Obveeus did, though it was fine. Interesting side-note:
This episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production
batch", though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be
back to the held-over season #2 production batch.
Anyway, they've set up this season's "mystery" - who kidnapped and
gave Lucifer back his wings?...

The Gifted - "eXposed", the pilot. I liked this. It was pretty much
what I expected, but the pilot was pretty well executed. I will
certainly stick with this one to see where it goes. P.S. I find it
poetic justice that Coby Bell is playing such an EVOL!!1! bastard in
this series, after he helped ruin "Burn Notice"... [eg]


Recorded for later: Just "The Brave".
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of "kill"?" - M-OC, "A Perilous Rescue" (ep. #2.9), LSW:TFA (08-10-2017)
Arthur Lipscomb
2017-10-03 13:58:08 UTC
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What did you watch?
Greenhouse Academy (The Netflix) - "Breaking and Entering" (ep. #3). The
plot of this one seems to be moving at a glacial pace, which doesn't
make much sense as there are only 12 episodes.
  In this one, the Feds try to pin a crime on Jessica Amlee's thief
character, but her fellow housemates among the Ravens rise to her
defense, and it looks like she's going to get off. Meanwhile, Eagles
captain Chris O'Neal has some kind of injury (and is taking some kind of
drug for it) that he's hiding from everyone, but his bitchy, nosy
girlfriend (Grace Van Dien) is investigating it. (Sidenote: Grace Van
Dien looks like she's lucky if she's five-foot-NOTHING! (IMDb says 5'3",
but that seems *extremely generous*!))
The Last Ship (recorded) - "Lazaretto". Covered well in yesterday's
WDYW? thread by Jim G. I don't have much to add what he wrote, though I
guess the "caper mission" into mansion on the island to steal the
communications logs was kind of fun. Maybe now the C.P.O. Jeter will get
the medical care he so clearly needs...
Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this one
as much as Obveeus did, though it was fine. Interesting side-note: This
episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production batch",
though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be back to
the held-over season #2 production batch.
  Anyway, they've set up this season's "mystery" - who kidnapped and
gave Lucifer back his wings?...
The Gifted - "eXposed", the pilot. I liked this. It was pretty much what
I expected, but the pilot was pretty well executed. I will certainly
stick with this one to see where it goes. P.S. I find it poetic justice
that Coby Bell is playing such an EVOL!!1! bastard in this series, after
he helped ruin "Burn Notice"...  [eg]
I liked this too. I was very pleasantly surprised by how much I liked
it. I loved the little touch of playing the animated X-Men theme song
as the phone ring too. And they even squeezed in a certain cameo.
Recorded for later: Just "The Brave".
I watched bits and pieces of a lot of different things as I cleared out
my DVR. I finally decided to delete half a season's worth of Taken.
But I did make it all the way through:


South Park - Latest episode. Mostly background noise.


976-Evil (blu-ray) Since it's Halloween Month, it's time for me to dig
into my massive backlog of horror movies I've been saving up to watch.
Unfortunately they have to compete with new releases like this one that
I want to watch too. 976-Evil is directed by Robert Englund and stars
Stephen Geoffreys as a bullied teen who calls a 976 number only to find
himself slowly turning into a monster. But on the up side he gets his
revenge against the bullies who tormented him. The movie was better
than I remembered. But I think my enjoyment was enhanced by a very
pleasant conversational commentary track by Robert Englund and his wife,
who did the set design. It's an old movie but I think I've only ever
seen it once before. So this blu-ray release was my first chance to
check it out in the proper aspect ratio and good picture quality.
Things like that really do make a difference.
BTR1701
2017-10-03 14:30:58 UTC
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Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this
This episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production
batch", though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be
back to the held-over season #2 production batch.
Yep. The reason there was no Maze. At the time it was filmed, she had a
basketball-shaped belly.
Post by Ian J. Ball
Anyway, they've set up this season's "mystery" - who kidnapped and
gave Lucifer back his wings?...
We know! The Sinner Man.
Robin Miller
2017-10-03 15:20:30 UTC
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Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this
This episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production
batch", though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be
back to the held-over season #2 production batch.
Yep. The reason there was no Maze. At the time it was filmed, she had a
basketball-shaped belly.
Thanks for that reminder too. I was wondering why she wasn't there.

--Robin
Obveeus
2017-10-03 14:51:59 UTC
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Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this one
as much as Obveeus did, though it was fine. Interesting side-note: This
episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production batch",
That probably explains the increased emphasis on humor in the episode.
I loved it when LUCIFER started closing the miniblinds so that he could
show Chloe his secret...then suddenly realized that Ella was still in
the room. Another hint that this was a *real* season #3 episode is that
Maze wasn't in it.
though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be back to
the held-over season #2 production batch.
  Anyway, they've set up this season's "mystery" - who kidnapped and
gave Lucifer back his wings?...
There may be more than one entity involved, but 'Daddy' has to be the
main culprit for the instagrow wings and lack of devil face.
Robin Miller
2017-10-03 15:18:55 UTC
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What did you watch?
Lucifer - "They're Back, Aren't They?". I don't think I enjoyed this one
as much as Obveeus did, though it was fine. Interesting side-note: This
episode, and the next one, are from the "season #3 production batch",
though it looks like the third episode of this "season" will be back to
the held-over season #2 production batch.
Oh, that's right. They extended the season 2 order but then didn't show
them all and so held the rest for this season.

--Robin
BTR1701
2017-10-03 14:29:08 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Robin Miller
2017-10-03 15:23:53 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.

--Robin
Obveeus
2017-10-03 15:30:09 UTC
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LUCIFER:  The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED:  The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Yep. Both male members of the family were right wingers types right up
until the moment it personally affected them and suddenly they did a 180
on their belief system. They were not likeable characters at all. The
mom was better, but entirely too clueless about the world around her
(even her own family). Apparently everyone here liked the show but me.
Such is life, I never liked the X-MEN movies, either.
Robin Miller
2017-10-03 16:35:16 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which
bears little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid
called the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the
mutants.
Yep. Both male members of the family were right wingers types right up
until the moment it personally affected them and suddenly they did a 180
on their belief system. They were not likeable characters at all. The
mom was better, but entirely too clueless about the world around her
(even her own family). Apparently everyone here liked the show but me.
Such is life, I never liked the X-MEN movies, either.
I haven't seen any of the X-Men movies, so all the references to them in
the show escape me, unfortunately.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2017-10-03 17:03:24 UTC
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LUCIFER:  The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED:  The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Yep. Both male members of the family were right wingers types right up
until the moment it personally affected them and suddenly they did a 180
on their belief system. They were not likeable characters at all. The
mom was better, but entirely too clueless about the world around her
(even her own family). Apparently everyone here liked the show but me.
Such is life, I never liked the X-MEN movies, either.
I hate everything Bryan Singer does. I liked the original X-Men comics.
This is a terrible show.
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Robin Miller
2017-10-03 17:26:10 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which
bears little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid
called the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the
mutants.
Yep. Both male members of the family were right wingers types right up
until the moment it personally affected them and suddenly they did a 180
on their belief system.
I actually liked it that the father immediately jumped into supporting
his family, rather than adhering to his office and insisting that his
children follow the law, as almost always happens on TV.

--Robin
Obveeus
2017-10-03 18:24:59 UTC
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LUCIFER:  The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
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THE GIFTED:  The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which
bears little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid
called the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the
mutants.
Yep.  Both male members of the family were right wingers types right up
until the moment it personally affected them and suddenly they did a 180
on their belief system.
I actually liked it that the father immediately jumped into supporting
his family, rather than adhering to his office and insisting that his
children follow the law, as almost always happens on TV.
So it is morally ok for him to send everyone else's kids off the the
gallows? Not in my book. This guy has stink all over him.
shawn
2017-10-03 19:26:02 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
I thought the same thing but when Lucifer was telling his brother
about it I had to rethink things. Bringing that up with him makes me
think he really can't bring back the devil face.
BTR1701
2017-10-03 20:44:20 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
Post by BTR1701
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
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2017-10-03 21:06:53 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
Post by BTR1701
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
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2017-10-03 21:55:12 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Who am I to argue with Magneto?

(All throughout the X-Men franchise both good and bad guys keep arguing
that the mutants are the next step in evolution and compare it to the Homo
sapiens' eradication of the Neanderthals. Whatever the real-world science,
the Marvel universe clearly treats mutants as a new and different species.)
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2017-10-03 22:33:23 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Who am I to argue with Magneto?
Not somebody who wants to score one of his hot daughters.
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(All throughout the X-Men franchise both good and bad guys keep arguing
that the mutants are the next step in evolution and compare it to the Homo
sapiens' eradication of the Neanderthals. Whatever the real-world science,
the Marvel universe clearly treats mutants as a new and different species.)
They've always used the term "Mutant" incorrectly, too, much like Star
Trek uses "orbit" wrong. :)
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2017-10-03 22:33:27 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
Post by BTR1701
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
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2017-10-03 23:58:35 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review, which bears
little resemblance to the actual show. At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
Says the shithead who decrees based on no evidence whatsoever that the kid
who was routinely set upon at school by a bunch of thuggish assholes must
have "brought it on himself" merely because he said the word 'mutie' once
in the privacy of his own home and therefore must be one step away from
lighting crosses and lynching people.
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
As opposed to the thugs kicking his ass who had turned violent long ago,
but who strangely have all of Obveeus's sympathy here. Yeah, Obveeus sure
is qualified to determine who is and is not a "piece of moral garbage"
here.
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2017-10-04 00:10:14 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
Maze played a prank on the showrunners and pretended she'd done a Felicity
to her hair when she showed up for work on the new season.

https://twitter.com/lesleyannbrandt/status/915344453484691456
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2017-10-04 04:04:43 UTC
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his ass
kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As for
turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond his
control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I have no
idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral garbage" or
a "right winger."
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his ass
kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As for
turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond his
control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I have no
idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral garbage" or
a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
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2017-10-04 15:22:09 UTC
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his ass
kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As for
turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond his
control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I have no
idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral garbage" or
a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
That's putting it kindly.
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2017-10-04 15:22:45 UTC
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm.  Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep.  They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do.  I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant.  Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick.  Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
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2017-10-04 15:51:14 UTC
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
The fact that you do, boggles ours.
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Yep.  They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do.  I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant.  Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick.  Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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Yep.  They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do.  I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant.  Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick.  Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.

You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
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Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique
race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
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2017-10-04 20:02:23 UTC
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Yep.  They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's
character
has some explaining to do.  I can see why BTR1701 would object
to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant.  Whether THE GIFTED are a
unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick.  Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't
pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective
in a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be
interested in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was
shown about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there
(he sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason
to want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to
beat him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some
backstory for that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high
school gang' as a plot device.
What is there to discuss?  Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat?  I agree.  I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism,
Yes there was...against mutants.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Post by suzeeq
Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
Was he scared of the snack food as well?
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"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective
in a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be
interested in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was
shown about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there
(he sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason
to want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to
beat him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some
backstory for that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high
school gang' as a plot device.
What is there to discuss?  Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat?  I agree.  I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism,
Yes there was...against mutants.
As for dad, he was apparently interested only in mutants who hurt
people, which isn't all mutants. It's a critical distinction. As for the
son, you're basing a lot on one unfamiliar (to us in the real world)
slang term and the reaction of the sister to that term.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing. Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too. And that would be even more true for a kid who was being
overprotected and who wanted to feel more normal.
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Post by suzeeq
Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
Was he scared of the snack food as well?
Exactly. You're making our argument for us now. IOW, he wasn't angry or
scared of the vending machine; it was simply a display of a newbie
experiencing a lack of control. Why can't you see that? Through multiple
visuals over the course of the hour and multiple dialogue bits over the
course of the hour, the writers and director were driving home this
point and you've apparently missed it entirely.
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"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective
in a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be
interested in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was
shown about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there
(he sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason
to want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to
beat him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some
backstory for that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high
school gang' as a plot device.
What is there to discuss?  Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat?  I agree.  I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism,
Yes there was...against mutants.
As for dad, he was apparently interested only in mutants who hurt
people, which isn't all mutants.
That simply isn't true. His job was processing all mutants and he was
well aware of what happened to them...so well aware that he went out of
his way not to reveal those facts of his job to his wife.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
Post by Jim G.
And that would be even more true for a kid who was being
overprotected and who wanted to feel more normal.
No, kids like that are the pathetic followers than desperately cling to
the popular kids in the hopes of being accepted. Most kids don't
actually care.
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Post by Obveeus
Post by suzeeq
Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
Was he scared of the snack food as well?
Exactly. You're making our argument for us now. IOW, he wasn't angry or
scared of the vending machine;
They showed his mental state...anger. Not fear. People tend to think
back on events with renewed anger (just as he did), but not renewed fear
since they are not actually still in the situation.
Post by Jim G.
it was simply a display of a newbie
experiencing a lack of control. Why can't you see that? Through multiple
visuals over the course of the hour and multiple dialogue bits over the
course of the hour, the writers and director were driving home this
point and you've apparently missed it entirely.
No. Now you are just trying to change the subject to his lack of
control over his powers rather than his state of mind (racist loser).
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
I went to an all-male Catholic high school, um, fifty years ago. There
were dances almost every Friday night. Girls from similarly segregated
Catholic high schools in the area always showed up in significant
numbers. I found the whole thing pretty damned awkward and stopped
going fairly early. There were more formal things like the senior prom
(there was a "the" then), which I skipped.

In college, I ran the student newspaper. That's when I started getting
girls. God bless the free press.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
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2017-10-06 01:13:16 UTC
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
It wasn't a cliquish thing, most people went.
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
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2017-10-06 19:17:23 UTC
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maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
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Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
It wasn't a cliquish thing, most people went.
Exactly. And the ones who didn't would try hard to make it seem like
they really hated the idea, but everyone knew that it was just their
insecurity coming out. "I'm insecure and not comfortable going"
translated to "dances are lame" and whatnot.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
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Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
Also if one 'hated' everyone who'd be at the dance, they didn't go.
There wasn't a lot of hate anyway 50 years ago. It was a largish school
but in a relatively small town, so the only HS at the time.
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
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2017-10-06 19:18:06 UTC
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maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
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Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
Also if one 'hated' everyone who'd be at the dance, they didn't go.
Yep. And since most people going to the dance were relatively decent,
normal people, not going said more about those who didn't go than it did
about those they were supposedly shunning.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't. In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them. Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
Jaqobis, KILLJOYS
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Post by Jim G.
In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'?  Seriously?  Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't.  When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
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2017-10-06 19:51:15 UTC
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
That was the plot for that movie. Not for the tv show we're discussing
or real life high schools.
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2017-10-06 23:40:26 UTC
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Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
That was the plot for that movie. Not for the tv show we're discussing
or real life high schools.
Pesky facts like those are irrelevant when the issue is getting yourself
out of a hole without having to admit that you'd put yourself in the
hole in the first place. :)
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Post by Jim G.
In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'?  Seriously?  Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't.  When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
It's similar to "No dating of friend's ex without permission" except
that it doesn't include the covenant "such permission shall not be
unduly withheld"
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Post by Jim G.
In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'?  Seriously?  Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't.  When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
Post by Jim G.
Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
Never heard it.
Post by anim8rfsk
It's similar to "No dating of friend's ex without permission" except
that it doesn't include the covenant "such permission shall not be
unduly withheld"
I knew a number of people in high school that ran as a click and seemed
to rotate their boy/girl pairings about once a month. By the end of a
given year I think they had all dated every one of their friends' exes.
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Post by Jim G.
In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'?  Seriously?  Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't.  When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
Post by Jim G.
Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
Never heard it.
Did you lose your handbook again?
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Post by anim8rfsk
It's similar to "No dating of friend's ex without permission" except
that it doesn't include the covenant "such permission shall not be
unduly withheld"
I knew a number of people in high school that ran as a click and seemed
to rotate their boy/girl pairings about once a month. By the end of a
given year I think they had all dated every one of their friends' exes.
Clearly all appropriate permissions were asked and granted. Also, raise
your hand if 'ewwww'
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I knew a number of people in high school that ran as a click and seemed
to rotate their boy/girl pairings about once a month. By the end of a
given year I think they had all dated every one of their friends' exes.
Clearly all appropriate permissions were asked and granted. Also, raise
your hand if 'ewwww'
Definitely.
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Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Post by Jim G.
In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
Never heard it.
Why doesn't instinct tell us that if it also tells us to take our hand off of a hot burner?
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I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
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In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
Never heard it.
Serious question: are you a guy?

Not-so-serious question: are you a being from an alien world?
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Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
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In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
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It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
One of the guy rules. No dating of friend's sisters without permission.
Exactly.
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It's similar to "No dating of friend's ex without permission" except
that it doesn't include the covenant "such permission shall not be
unduly withheld"
And when it comes to breaking the rules, the sister thing is orders of
magnitude worse.
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How old do we think the kid is?
Freshman?
I'd go with that. Which means too young to drive.
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Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date, and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
Agreed...but apparently Jim and suzeeq grew up in a PRETTY IN PINK world
where everyone just had to go to the dance even though they hated
everyone who would be there.
I'm sorry that you apparently hated your high school years, but many of
us didn't.
I'm sorry you missed the reference. PRETTY IN PINK was all about the
delusional idea that everyone just has to want to go to the dance even
though they hate everyone there...
Ah. I was much more of a SIXTEEN CANDLES fan. In fact, I'm pretty sure
that I've never seen PiP all the way through in one sitting.
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the same idiotic mentality you claim
that everyone has including the brat in THE GIFTED.
Where did I say that everyone hates everyone else in the real world or
on THE GIFTED? Please be specific.
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In fact, I'd go so far as to guess that the trope of high
school as a terrible time exists largely due to the fact that those who
write about it for a living (and keep the trope alive) were probably the
artsy and withdrawn types who struggled to find a home ("safe space")
during their own high school years.
You are delusional.
Well, I did say that it's a "guess." Still, when I see the people who
tend to embrace the trope, they usually seem to be adult versions of the
kids who would prove my guess correct.
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I don't.  When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
It isn't PC to say that those guys he was dating in his early years
weren't 'actual girls'. ;-)
I wasn't dating them.
Denial...right after you said you went to the dance with them.
I will often go to dinner and/or a movie with people I'm not dating,
too. I'm weird that way.
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Although I *totally* would have dated the sister
of one of them if that damn rule hadn't been in place.
What rule?
You never, ever, ever dated the sister of a friend. No matter how cute
she was and no matter how much she tested your resolve. And while it's
as true as an adult as it is as a kid, it's less likely to be invoked as
an adult since it's less likely that you'll ever be in that situation in
the first place.
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Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date,
That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
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and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
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Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
I don't. When he was younger he went in a group with his guy friends,
and when he was older he went with girls.
Exactly. I have *no* idea how Obv was spinning that one in his head, but
it was only in his head.
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Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date,
That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
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and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
I'll take your word for it. Grade school dances were pretty dire. And
I never made it to a high school dance. My high school girlfriend
wasn't interested. The reason to go would have been to get to know
various girls, and if you and they all have to have dates, that's not
doing to happen. But I'd have gone to one if I could. I was annoyed at
missing prom, for instance.

The closest I came was after graduation, when they invited last years
Homecoming Queen back. Given that I was dating her at the time, I sort
of figured I might be going too, until it was pointed out to me that she
was automatically going with last year's homecoming king. Sigh.
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Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date,
That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
Thinking? In television writing? What are YOU thinking?
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maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date,
That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
I assumed that they were foolish enough to think that boys and girls
weren't interested in each other in "that way" yet.
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and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
I'll take your word for it. Grade school dances were pretty dire.
Why?
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And
I never made it to a high school dance. My high school girlfriend
wasn't interested.
You dated one girl all through high school? Why? Did your parents try to
get you to see your mistake?
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The reason to go would have been to get to know
various girls, and if you and they all have to have dates, that's not
doing to happen. But I'd have gone to one if I could. I was annoyed at
missing prom, for instance.
The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
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The closest I came was after graduation, when they invited last years
Homecoming Queen back. Given that I was dating her at the time, I sort
of figured I might be going too, until it was pointed out to me that she
was automatically going with last year's homecoming king. Sigh.
So you dated one all through high school, missed out on all kinds of
opportunities, and then broke up afterwards? Did it take you that long
to realize that she was crazy or did you just want to do things
backwards? :)
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maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
How old do we think the kid is? Our High School dances were 'drag no
stag' meaning you couldn't go without a date,
That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
I assumed that they were foolish enough to think that boys and girls
weren't interested in each other in "that way" yet.
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and if you had a date, who
the Hell goes to a high school dance?
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
I'll take your word for it. Grade school dances were pretty dire.
Why?
Well, seriously, they were held in the Cafetorium, and the guys were
lined up against the north wall, and the girls against the south wall,
and you'd have to cross that vast void and the girl you were coming for
had plenty of advance notice to hide, and it was just a fucking
nightmare.
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And
I never made it to a high school dance. My high school girlfriend
wasn't interested.
You dated one girl all through high school? Why? Did your parents try to
get you to see your mistake?
Dated multiple girls, only had one that used the BF/GF words.
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The reason to go would have been to get to know
various girls, and if you and they all have to have dates, that's not
doing to happen. But I'd have gone to one if I could. I was annoyed at
missing prom, for instance.
The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
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The closest I came was after graduation, when they invited last years
Homecoming Queen back. Given that I was dating her at the time, I sort
of figured I might be going too, until it was pointed out to me that she
was automatically going with last year's homecoming king. Sigh.
So you dated one all through high school, missed out on all kinds of
opportunities, and then broke up afterwards? Did it take you that long
to realize that she was crazy or did you just want to do things
backwards? :)
No no no. Didn't date Homecoming Queen until after High School.
Actually dated a lot of girls from High School but not until after High
School, come to think of it.
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That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
I assumed that they were foolish enough to think that boys and girls
weren't interested in each other in "that way" yet.
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Post by Jim G.
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
I'll take your word for it. Grade school dances were pretty dire.
Why?
Well, seriously, they were held in the Cafetorium, and the guys were
lined up against the north wall, and the girls against the south wall,
Heh. Some things are universal.
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and you'd have to cross that vast void and the girl you were coming for
had plenty of advance notice to hide, and it was just a fucking
nightmare.
It was good practice. Yeah, it could be stress-inducing, but it didn't
keep me from going. Because girls.
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And
I never made it to a high school dance. My high school girlfriend
wasn't interested.
You dated one girl all through high school? Why? Did your parents try to
get you to see your mistake?
Dated multiple girls, only had one that used the BF/GF words.
And *none* of the girls you dated ever wanted to go to an official
dance? That seems weird. Were you attracted to the rebel type?
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The reason to go would have been to get to know
various girls, and if you and they all have to have dates, that's not
doing to happen. But I'd have gone to one if I could. I was annoyed at
missing prom, for instance.
The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
Heh. Sure, some were 100% about themselves and I walked away as soon as
I realized it. But others were terrific and were happy to take one for
the team once in a while, the team being the two of us as a couple. I
can honestly think of only one girl I ever dated who I dropped because
she was a self-centered jerk. I'll take that to mean that I have good
instincts when choosing since I *know* that I don't have good luck.
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The closest I came was after graduation, when they invited last years
Homecoming Queen back. Given that I was dating her at the time, I sort
of figured I might be going too, until it was pointed out to me that she
was automatically going with last year's homecoming king. Sigh.
So you dated one all through high school, missed out on all kinds of
opportunities, and then broke up afterwards? Did it take you that long
to realize that she was crazy or did you just want to do things
backwards? :)
No no no. Didn't date Homecoming Queen until after High School.
Requiring (which is how I interpret your "automatically" above) her to
attend that later dance with the homecoming king from the earlier year
was odd. Here, they *never* required the king and queen to attend as a
couple. Some were couples, obviously, but others were dating different
people and only had to share one official dance with each other at the
dance itself. And that would surely have been the same for reunion-type
events.
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That was true here, too, once you were an upperclassman. But not true
for freshmen and sophomores.
Really? I'm not sure what the thinking was at all there.
I assumed that they were foolish enough to think that boys and girls
weren't interested in each other in "that way" yet.
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Post by Jim G.
I'm not understanding the hatred of dances. Yeah, as you got older, the
afterparties took on more of a primary role, but dances were fun, too!
I'll take your word for it. Grade school dances were pretty dire.
Why?
Well, seriously, they were held in the Cafetorium, and the guys were
lined up against the north wall, and the girls against the south wall,
Heh. Some things are universal.
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and you'd have to cross that vast void and the girl you were coming for
had plenty of advance notice to hide, and it was just a fucking
nightmare.
It was good practice. Yeah, it could be stress-inducing, but it didn't
keep me from going. Because girls.
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And
I never made it to a high school dance. My high school girlfriend
wasn't interested.
You dated one girl all through high school? Why? Did your parents try to
get you to see your mistake?
Dated multiple girls, only had one that used the BF/GF words.
And *none* of the girls you dated ever wanted to go to an official
dance? That seems weird. Were you attracted to the rebel type?
Not particularly. My on again off again ex danced professionally and in
recitals and shit. I wouldn't have gotten on the dance floor with her a
second time! But I don't recall the subject ever coming u
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The reason to go would have been to get to know
various girls, and if you and they all have to have dates, that's not
doing to happen. But I'd have gone to one if I could. I was annoyed at
missing prom, for instance.
The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
Heh. Sure, some were 100% about themselves and I walked away as soon as
I realized it. But others were terrific and were happy to take one for
the team once in a while, the team being the two of us as a couple. I
can honestly think of only one girl I ever dated who I dropped because
she was a self-centered jerk. I'll take that to mean that I have good
instincts when choosing since I *know* that I don't have good luck.
Such an experience is totally foreign to me. In my world, the woman
wants you to choose the activity, and blames you later if it's something
she didn't want to do, but she never *tells* you, or she does tell you
and it's not a negotiable point. It's like "no, choose again" No
negotiation, no take one for the team.

The aforementioned ex would say "what do you want to do tonight" and I'd
say "There's that new movie at the ..." which would instantly elicit
MOVIES MOVIES MOVIES THAT'S ALL YOU EVER WANT TO DO IS GO TO MOVIES
THAT'S ALL WE EVER DO IS GO TO MOVIES at which point I would torment her
by pointing out that in 11 years we'd been to 5 movies and one of those
was just a group thing and we weren't together. And then I named all
the movies. And then I named the theaters we saw them in. She *hated*
the way I argue. :D
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The closest I came was after graduation, when they invited last years
Homecoming Queen back. Given that I was dating her at the time, I sort
of figured I might be going too, until it was pointed out to me that she
was automatically going with last year's homecoming king. Sigh.
So you dated one all through high school, missed out on all kinds of
opportunities, and then broke up afterwards? Did it take you that long
to realize that she was crazy or did you just want to do things
backwards? :)
No no no. Didn't date Homecoming Queen until after High School.
Requiring (which is how I interpret your "automatically" above) her to
attend that later dance with the homecoming king from the earlier year
was odd. Here, they *never* required the king and queen to attend as a
couple. Some were couples, obviously, but others were dating different
people and only had to share one official dance with each other at the
dance itself. And that would surely have been the same for reunion-type
events.
Could be. It wasn't what I was told.
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The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
Heh. Sure, some were 100% about themselves and I walked away as soon as
I realized it. But others were terrific and were happy to take one for
the team once in a while
My current GF endures the various comic cons for me with a smile (and even
expresses interest in the attractions) as long as I'll take her to
Nordstroms without complaint on a regular basis.
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The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
Heh. Sure, some were 100% about themselves and I walked away as soon as
I realized it. But others were terrific and were happy to take one for
the team once in a while
My current GF endures the various comic cons for me with a smile (and even
expresses interest in the attractions) as long as I'll take her to
Nordstroms without complaint on a regular basis.
There you go. Trade-off. Is she not into the skiffy scene very much or
is she just not into the cons (or fanatics at cons) thing?
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The one girl you dated in high school refused to go to any of your
proms? Why? Even if she didn't like them, you'd think that she'd suck it
up and go if she realized that it was important to *you*. Give and take,
and all that.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have you ever *met* a girl?
Heh. Sure, some were 100% about themselves and I walked away as soon as
I realized it. But others were terrific and were happy to take one for
the team once in a while
My current GF endures the various comic cons for me with a smile (and even
expresses interest in the attractions) as long as I'll take her to
Nordstroms without complaint on a regular basis.
There you go. Trade-off. Is she not into the skiffy scene very much or
is she just not into the cons (or fanatics at cons) thing?
She likes to watch the shows and movies, but the whole con thing is just a
step beyond her level of interest.

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Heck, I was a bookworm nerd and skiffy geek and everything else
and even I went to dances. With fellow male nerd and geeks at
that age, sure, but with actual girls later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
Oh, for crying out loud.
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There was no racism,
Yes there was...against mutants.
As for dad, he was apparently interested only in mutants who hurt
people, which isn't all mutants.
That simply isn't true. His job was processing all mutants
Where's your evidence to back this claim?
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and he was
well aware of what happened to them...so well aware that he went out of
his way not to reveal those facts of his job to his wife.
Where's your evidence to back this claim?

While I wait for that, I'll ask you to recall something that the son
said just before the "mutie" comment that spun you up so badly. Talking
about his day at school, he said, "We had a debate in social studies
about the law they want to make to test people with the X-gene and,
like, monitor them. I don't know."

So right away, we know that mutants aren't all being rounded up and
locked away -- whether by Dad or anyone else -- because we know that
society is only now even considering *monitoring* them.

Recall also that while talking with the recently captured female mutant,
one of the first things that Dad says to her is: "You and your
associates in the mutant underground have aided and abetted dozens, if
not hundreds, of fugitives." Note that last word: fugitives. Not mutants.

In short, he doesn't "process all mutants." Rather, he gets involved
when one of them is caught breaking the law. As he said first thing when
he met her: "You're accused of the attempted murder of two police
officers. That plus the enhanced sentencing for the use of your mutant
abilities."

Finally, recall that he tells her that he's going to ask the court to
assign her an attorney. Hardly something that a jack-booted racist thug
would do.
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and everyone goes to a dance.
Um...no...absolutely not.
Most normal, socialized kids go to dances, if only to make an appearance
before going to an afterparty or some such thing.
maybe Prom or Homecoming...but the rest of those school dance events
attracted only a very narrow group of kids...and certainly not ones that
couldn't get dates.
You're joking, right? How old do you think he is? Because in the real
world, kids young enough will go to dances with a group of same-sex
friends and hope to see some groups of same-sex girls who also came with
friends. And in most cases, they're dropped off en masse by a parent or
older sibling. When the kids are older and start to drive, the next step
is usually a double date with another "couple" who are also friends of
the first "couple." But this kid doesn't seem to be that old yet, so
he'd fall in the category of "no date, but he'd like to be dating."
Sorta like Anthony Michael Hall in SIXTEEN CANDLES.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that freshmen and sophomores are far
*more* likely to go to a generic dance than the upperclassmen since
their social options are so much more limited than the upperclassmen.
Starting with the whole can't-drive business.

The only ding I'd give the kid on the dance front is that he didn't seem
to have any friends of any kind *at* the dance. If Sis had taken him and
he'd started to mingle with his own buds once he got there, then that
would have shown him to be more socially settled. Which is probably why
the writers didn't give us that. Nonetheless, it doesn't justify
bullying him.
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Post by Jim G.
Heck, I was a bookworm
nerd and skiffy geek and everything else and even I went to dances. With
fellow male nerd and geeks at that age, sure, but with actual girls
later on, too.
'actual girls'? Seriously? Do you realize how offensive that is?
Oh, good grief. What now? Are you *trying* to be offended at every turn
at this point? You *do* remember how middle school dances and then high
school dances worked, right? How kids went through the social stages
that I describe above?
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Post by Jim G.
And that would be even more true for a kid who was being
overprotected and who wanted to feel more normal.
No, kids like that are the pathetic followers than desperately cling to
the popular kids in the hopes of being accepted. Most kids don't
actually care.
Now I can only assume that you're *really* projecting. In my own case at
that age (and this was true for classmates I've ever discussed it with,
whether at the time or far more recently as we reminisce), I didn't want
to go to dances as an underclassman because I was a "pathetic follower
desperately clinging to the popular kids." Rather, I wanted to see and
maybe talk to and dance with some girls that I liked. And I was too
young for the sort of dating that would come later.
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Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
Was he scared of the snack food as well?
Exactly. You're making our argument for us now. IOW, he wasn't angry or
scared of the vending machine;
They showed his mental state...anger. Not fear.
Wrong again. There was fear and discomfort on his face. Not anger.
Post by Obveeus
People tend to think
back on events with renewed anger (just as he did), but not renewed fear
since they are not actually still in the situation.
Wow. Now you're just doubling down on the wrongness. In the real world,
they look back and experience the same emotions -- if somewhat tempered
over time -- that they had the first time around *unless* something has
happened in the interim that has changed the equation. Here, nothing has
happened to reduce the fear and uneasiness. And given that he feels that
he's ruined the lives of his entire family, that fear and uneasiness is
more likely to be greater now than it was then.
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Post by Jim G.
it was simply a display of a newbie
experiencing a lack of control. Why can't you see that? Through multiple
visuals over the course of the hour and multiple dialogue bits over the
course of the hour, the writers and director were driving home this
point and you've apparently missed it entirely.
No. Now you are just trying to change the subject to his lack of
control over his powers
You can't change the subject to something that was already the subject
all along.
Post by Obveeus
rather than his state of mind (racist loser).
For values of "racist loser" equal to "scared adolescent victim of
bullying feeling really guilty over what his actions have done to his
family."
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique
race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
And isn't he allowed to say "mutie" given that he's a mutie himself?
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Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique
race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
And isn't he allowed to say "mutie" given that he's a mutie himself?
That might work (for some folks anyway), but only if he knew he was a
mutant at the time.
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Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's
character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to
the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique
race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't
pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
And isn't he allowed to say "mutie" given that he's a mutie himself?
That might work (for some folks anyway), but only if he knew he was a
mutant at the time.
His grandfather's a Nazi, can we call him a "Chelsea"?
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Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique
race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his
ass kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As
for turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond
his control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I
have no idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral
garbage" or a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant. The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
And isn't he allowed to say "mutie" given that he's a mutie himself?
Point to Anim8r!
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"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting) even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
What is there to discuss? Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree. I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
There was no racism, and everyone goes to a dance. Are you sure that it
wasn't anger that made him uncontrollable, but maybe fear? That fits in
more with the gang of bullies beating him to a pulp.
And isn't he allowed to say "mutie" given that he's a mutie himself?
To be fair, the kid didn't know that he, too, was a "mutie" at that
point. Nevertheless, it's the only sign of "racism" or intolerance or
anything else from the kid (assuming that his sister is giving us
accurate info and not just slanging things herself) and it's incredibly
minor, especially when compared to Obveeus's subsequent hate-on and
character assassination on the basis of it.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
Jaqobis, KILLJOYS
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Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
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You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it? Furthermore, he didn't know yet that he was a
mutant, so are you suggesting that he went to a dance that he didn't
want to go to because he was looking for trouble in the form of people
who would kick his ass *again*? If that's not blaming the victim, I
don't know what is. And that doesn't even take into consideration the
stupidity of such a move *if* your take on things was accurate.
Post by Obveeus
even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
As was explicitly stated in dialogue, he wanted to get out of the house.
He was feeling like veal because his parents were overprotecting him,
presumably because of the bullying business. And he did approach at
least one girl that we saw to ask for a dance, not that it worked out
for him. It's almost as if they included that scene to cut off any
arguments along the lines of the one that you're making...
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
It's consistent canon throughout X-Men history that it's hard at first
to control things. Even when his sister went to help him in the locker
room shower, it took her a minute to talk him down. And the first thing
he said to her was, "I'm sorry." Not "I'm gonna kill them" or anything
along those lines. And when he looked at the one bully on the ground, it
was anything but smug satisfaction on his face for having hurt the guy.

As further evidence along those lines, we hear his sister tell him later
on that: "At first, it's like it's like a sneeze. Something that just
happens. You have to work at it." And as you yourself brought up already
at one point, there's the vending machine. Clearly, he wasn't angry at
the vending machine. Rather, it was the writers once again reinforcing
the fact that this is all still beyond his control, but you steadfastly
refuse to accept it or cut the kid some slack.
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...
And we're back to blaming the victim. What could a non-mutant (up to
that point) kid have done to deserve to be beaten up and bullied by
multiple other guys bigger than him?
Post by Obveeus
maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
So part of your reason for hating this kid is that "maybe" we'll get
backstory at some point that shows that this non-mutant (at that point)
kid did something to *deserve* to be beaten up? Seriously?
Post by Obveeus
What is there to discuss?
Your rush to blame the victim. Your lack of any supporting evidence for
that rush job. Your unwillingness or inability to see the degree to
which this would have all been a life-altering experience for the kid.
Your odd level of hate for the character.
Post by Obveeus
Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat? I agree.
What makes him a snot-nosed brat? The fact that he's a normal teenager
who needs to be around other kids once in a while and is willing to
sneak out and go to a dance in able to do it? Because that's all we saw,
really, *before* his mutant abilities came out. He was just a normal kid
who felt confined and who was being bullied. And after his mutant
abilities came out, he was in shock over what he'd done, both in terms
of the bullies and the effect that it had had on the lives of everyone
in his family. As he put it to his sister, "Guess all it took was me
ruining our lives."
Post by Obveeus
I just saw exactly zero reason to like the
character (same goes for Dad) in the pilot episode.
Again, I can see good reasons to doubt Dad despite Mom's defense of him
when she said that he wasn't against all mutants, but only the ones who
hurt people. But for all of the above reasons, I'm not seeing why you
have such a hate-on for the son. It's...extremely weird.
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Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
Yes, I am basing my claim of his being racist on what we were shown. TV
shows tend to establish characters quickly in the pilot and it seemed
pretty darn clear that the intent of the writers/directors/whatnot was
to establish the anti-Mutant (total disregard for mutants) nature of the
father and son.
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Post by Obveeus
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it? Furthermore, he didn't know yet that he was a
mutant, so are you suggesting that he went to a dance that he didn't
want to go to because he was looking for trouble in the form of people
who would kick his ass *again*?
As far as we could see in the pilot, that is exactly what he did: went
somewhere he didn't want to be for no other reason than the possibility
of problems. Hopefully, subsequent episodes will reveal that he was
there to see the girl of his dreams or something, but the pilot didn't
establish any logical reason at all for him to go there. The pilot also
didn't establish any logical reason for the bullies to want to harm him
in that manner. Maybe there is a reason, maybe it was just bad writing.
Time will tell.
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If that's not blaming the victim, I
don't know what is. And that doesn't even take into consideration the
stupidity of such a move *if* your take on things was accurate.
Yes, the kid is clearly stupid.
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Post by Obveeus
even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
As was explicitly stated in dialogue, he wanted to get out of the house.
He was feeling like veal because his parents were overprotecting him,
presumably because of the bullying business.
He has the whole town/county/etc... to visit that night. No reason he
had to go to the dance with his sister. he could have just as easily
asked to get dropped off at the theater so he could watch IT.
Post by Jim G.
And he did approach at
least one girl that we saw to ask for a dance, not that it worked out
for him.
Screaming at the back of a girl's head from 10feet away isn't exactly
how you ask a girl to dance.
Post by Jim G.
It's almost as if they included that scene to cut off any
arguments along the lines of the one that you're making...
Sure...because they wanted to further demonstrate that the kid was
awkward teen...and appropriately stupid. None of that excuses his racism.
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Post by Obveeus
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
It's consistent canon throughout X-Men history that it's hard at first
to control things. Even when his sister went to help him in the locker
room shower, it took her a minute to talk him down. And the first thing
he said to her was, "I'm sorry." Not "I'm gonna kill them" or anything
along those lines. And when he looked at the one bully on the ground, it
was anything but smug satisfaction on his face for having hurt the guy.
As further evidence along those lines, we hear his sister tell him later
on that: "At first, it's like it's like a sneeze. Something that just
happens. You have to work at it." And as you yourself brought up already
at one point, there's the vending machine. Clearly, he wasn't angry at
the vending machine.
Clearly he was because they showed him concentrating on the angry
emotional confrontation with the bullies.
Post by Jim G.
Rather, it was the writers once again reinforcing
the fact that this is all still beyond his control, but you steadfastly
refuse to accept it or cut the kid some slack.
If you like your shows to have pathetic teen characters as protagonists,
so be it. I'd prefer intelligent, plucky, nerdy, whatnot to characters
that are just pathetic.
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Post by Obveeus
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...
And we're back to blaming the victim. What could a non-mutant (up to
that point) kid have done to deserve to be beaten up and bullied by
multiple other guys bigger than him?
I'm not blaming the victim, but nice try to explain away what I am
doing: blaming the writers for bad/lame storytelling.
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Post by Obveeus
maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
So part of your reason for hating this kid is that "maybe" we'll get
backstory at some point that shows that this non-mutant (at that point)
kid did something to *deserve* to be beaten up? Seriously?
I don't like the kid because there was nothing likeable about him. All
we were shown was a racist loser.
Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
What is there to discuss?
Your rush to blame the victim. Your lack of any supporting evidence for
that rush job. Your unwillingness or inability to see the degree to
which this would have all been a life-altering experience for the kid.
Your odd level of hate for the character.
Post by Obveeus
Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat?  I agree.
What makes him a snot-nosed brat? The fact that he's a normal teenager
who needs to be around other kids once in a while and is willing to
sneak out and go to a dance in able to do it? Because that's all we saw,
Most kids aren't racist or pathetic like this kid. What we saw on
screen was a stereotype, not a real person.
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"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
Yes, I am basing my claim of his being racist on what we were shown.
We were shown the kid using the word "mutie." We were shown his sister
replying to that word usage with "Mutie, Andy? Racist much?" in a way
that showed that she was *far* less offended by this horrific display of
"racism" when compared to what you've been showing.
Post by Obveeus
TV
shows tend to establish characters quickly in the pilot and it seemed
pretty darn clear that the intent of the writers/directors/whatnot was
to establish the anti-Mutant (total disregard for mutants) nature of the
father and son.
Sure, if you completely disregard Mom's words and Dad's words and Dad's
actions when he was speaking to the mutant they'd detained.
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Post by Obveeus
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it? Furthermore, he didn't know yet that he was a
mutant, so are you suggesting that he went to a dance that he didn't
want to go to because he was looking for trouble in the form of people
who would kick his ass *again*?
As far as we could see in the pilot, that is exactly what he did: went
somewhere he didn't want to be
What's your evidence for this? At the very least, he wanted to be at the
dance more than he wanted to be cooped up at home with his
overprotective mother.
Post by Obveeus
for no other reason than the possibility
of problems.
What's your evidence for this? And again, what's his motivation? He gets
off on getting his ass kicked?
Post by Obveeus
Hopefully, subsequent episodes will reveal that he was
there to see the girl of his dreams or something, but the pilot didn't
establish any logical reason at all for him to go there.
Sure, if you completely disregard his own words and what I point out above.
Post by Obveeus
The pilot also
didn't establish any logical reason for the bullies to want to harm him
in that manner. Maybe there is a reason, maybe it was just bad writing.
Time will tell.
Do bullies usually have a reason beyond identifying someone who's
different in some way and vulnerable to their bullying?
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Post by Jim G.
If that's not blaming the victim, I
don't know what is. And that doesn't even take into consideration the
stupidity of such a move *if* your take on things was accurate.
Yes, the kid is clearly stupid.
Yeah, he comes off as a complete moron in the rest of the episode. Oh,
wait. He doesn't come across as stupid at all. Not before or after this
point. In any case, sheer stupidity is what your spin would require here
and we both know it. Why can't you just admit to it? The world won't end
just because you acknowledge something like this. I promise.
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Post by Obveeus
even though he had no explained reason to want to be there (he
sure wasn't attempting to have a good time).
As was explicitly stated in dialogue, he wanted to get out of the house.
He was feeling like veal because his parents were overprotecting him,
presumably because of the bullying business.
He has the whole town/county/etc... to visit that night. No reason he
had to go to the dance with his sister. he could have just as easily
asked to get dropped off at the theater so he could watch IT.
So you're once again suggesting that the bullies should be allowed to
dictate where this kid gets to go, and when. And according to you, this
is perfectly okay and isn't blaming the victim in any way.

If it were the sister and the threat was rape, I'm sure that you'd be
saying something along the lines of "Well, she must have wanted to get
raped. Because if she didn't, then she could have just stayed home or
gone to a movie where the rapists might not show up."
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Post by Jim G.
And he did approach at
least one girl that we saw to ask for a dance, not that it worked out
for him.
Screaming at the back of a girl's head from 10feet away isn't exactly
how you ask a girl to dance.
It is at that age when you're insecure and nervous.
Post by Obveeus
Post by Jim G.
It's almost as if they included that scene to cut off any
arguments along the lines of the one that you're making...
Sure...because they wanted to further demonstrate that the kid was
awkward teen...
Now we're making progress!
Post by Obveeus
and appropriately stupid.
So stupid kids -- assuming that I'm okay with this label here -- deserve
to be bullied and should just stay at home if they don't want to
possibly be subjected to it?
Post by Obveeus
None of that excuses his racism.
Something has to exist before it needs to be excused. One reasonably
good definition of "racism" is: "prejudice, discrimination, or
antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the
belief that one's own race is superior."

Show me how his one use of "mutie" demonstrates any of the above.
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Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
It's consistent canon throughout X-Men history that it's hard at first
to control things. Even when his sister went to help him in the locker
room shower, it took her a minute to talk him down. And the first thing
he said to her was, "I'm sorry." Not "I'm gonna kill them" or anything
along those lines. And when he looked at the one bully on the ground, it
was anything but smug satisfaction on his face for having hurt the guy.
As further evidence along those lines, we hear his sister tell him later
on that: "At first, it's like it's like a sneeze. Something that just
happens. You have to work at it." And as you yourself brought up already
at one point, there's the vending machine. Clearly, he wasn't angry at
the vending machine.
Clearly he was because they showed him concentrating on the angry
emotional confrontation with the bullies.
Are you really going to argue that the look on his face was one that had
anything remotely to do with "rage"? Those flashbacks were clearly
making him uncomfortable and fearful, but there was no "rage" there. And
it was clearly out of his control.
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Post by Jim G.
Rather, it was the writers once again reinforcing
the fact that this is all still beyond his control, but you steadfastly
refuse to accept it or cut the kid some slack.
If you like your shows to have pathetic teen characters as protagonists,
so be it. I'd prefer intelligent, plucky, nerdy, whatnot to characters
that are just pathetic.
What makes him pathetic beyond the fact that he's been a regular target
for bullies? Would you also call a rape victim "pathetic"? In any case,
"pathetic" is a vast improvement over some of your earlier and more
emotional labels, so it's progress.
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Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed the idea that the gang of bullies might have any reason to
want to bother this kid (not just pick on him, but actively try to beat
him to a pulp)...
And we're back to blaming the victim. What could a non-mutant (up to
that point) kid have done to deserve to be beaten up and bullied by
multiple other guys bigger than him?
I'm not blaming the victim,
I just wanted to see this again.
Post by Obveeus
but nice try to explain away what I am
doing: blaming the writers for bad/lame storytelling.
In that case, you haven't been doing it very well. In fact, your
performance towards that goal so far has been worse than anything that
the writers offered up in this one.
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Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
maybe the show will eventually give some backstory for
that instead of just lamely introducing 'evil high school gang' as a
plot device.
So part of your reason for hating this kid is that "maybe" we'll get
backstory at some point that shows that this non-mutant (at that point)
kid did something to *deserve* to be beaten up? Seriously?
I don't like the kid because there was nothing likeable about him. All
we were shown was a racist loser.
You continue to see racism where none exists. And would you call a rape
victim a "loser"?
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Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
What is there to discuss?
Your rush to blame the victim. Your lack of any supporting evidence for
that rush job. Your unwillingness or inability to see the degree to
which this would have all been a life-altering experience for the kid.
Your odd level of hate for the character.
Post by Obveeus
Maybe you think he is nothing more than a
snot nosed brat?  I agree.
What makes him a snot-nosed brat? The fact that he's a normal teenager
who needs to be around other kids once in a while and is willing to
sneak out and go to a dance in able to do it? Because that's all we saw,
Most kids aren't racist or pathetic like this kid.
Given your benchmarks, *every* kid in America is "racist" and "pathetic"
like this kid.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
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Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
Post by Obveeus
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it?
You missed earlier when Obveeus declared that because he said the word
'mutie' that one time, that means he's so morally degenerate that he
must have brought the bullying and physical assaults on himself. No
evidence whatsoever for that, mind you, but Obveeus takes it as fact
that he's responsible for his own bullying. Because 'mutie'.
Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
It's consistent canon throughout X-Men history that it's hard at first
to control things. Even when his sister went to help him in the locker
room shower, it took her a minute to talk him down. And the first thing
he said to her was, "I'm sorry." Not "I'm gonna kill them" or anything
along those lines. And when he looked at the one bully on the ground, it
was anything but smug satisfaction on his face for having hurt the guy.
As further evidence along those lines, we hear his sister tell him later
on that: "At first, it's like it's like a sneeze. Something that just
happens. You have to work at it." And as you yourself brought up already
at one point, there's the vending machine. Clearly, he wasn't angry at
the vending machine. Rather, it was the writers once again reinforcing
the fact that this is all still beyond his control, but you steadfastly
refuse to accept it or cut the kid some slack.
Well, that would require Obveeus to admit he was wrong about something
and as we all know he'd rather chew off his own right arm than do that.
He'll do what he always does in situations like this-- dig in, refuse to
acknowledge reality, and make disparaging remarks about anyone who does.
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Post by suzeeq
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
Post by Obveeus
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it?
You missed earlier when Obveeus declared that because he said the word
'mutie' that one time, that means he's so morally degenerate that he
must have brought the bullying and physical assaults on himself. No
evidence whatsoever for that, mind you, but Obveeus takes it as fact
that he's responsible for his own bullying. Because 'mutie'.
Meanwhile, in the real world, he shrugs off a reporter's use of "niggas"
and has no problem with the fact that she apparently embraces her
father's racism and thinks that he's "the best."
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Post by Jim G.
Post by Obveeus
You dismissed his rage (multiple times) as being uncontrolable.
It's consistent canon throughout X-Men history that it's hard at first
to control things. Even when his sister went to help him in the locker
room shower, it took her a minute to talk him down. And the first thing
he said to her was, "I'm sorry." Not "I'm gonna kill them" or anything
along those lines. And when he looked at the one bully on the ground, it
was anything but smug satisfaction on his face for having hurt the guy.
As further evidence along those lines, we hear his sister tell him later
on that: "At first, it's like it's like a sneeze. Something that just
happens. You have to work at it." And as you yourself brought up already
at one point, there's the vending machine. Clearly, he wasn't angry at
the vending machine. Rather, it was the writers once again reinforcing
the fact that this is all still beyond his control, but you steadfastly
refuse to accept it or cut the kid some slack.
Well, that would require Obveeus to admit he was wrong about something
and as we all know he'd rather chew off his own right arm than do that.
He'll do what he always does in situations like this-- dig in, refuse to
acknowledge reality, and make disparaging remarks about anyone who does.
I know. It's a well-established pattern.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
Jaqobis, KILLJOYS
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Post by suzeeq
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
The episode very clearly put forth the premise of dad/son (and clueless
mom) being dismissive/anti-Mutant.  The fact that you people didn't pick
up on that boggles the mind.
"You people"? Dude. In any case, I spelled it out from my
perspective in
a previous reply that's in the backquotes above and would be interested
in knowing where you disagree with my points there.
You dismissed everything the kid did...100% of everything that was shown
about the character in the episode.
You dismissed the racism.
You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
Post by Obveeus
You ignored that he went to this dance (where he knew trouble was
waiting)
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it?
You missed earlier when Obveeus declared that because he said the word
'mutie' that one time, that means he's so morally degenerate that he
must have brought the bullying and physical assaults on himself.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or is this just your typical
strategy of continuously lying in an effort to achieve your agenda?
Post by Jim G.
Meanwhile, in the real world, he shrugs off a reporter's use of "niggas"
I shrug it off because it wasn't used as a racist term and because it
was one of over 28,000 text messages spread out over more than half a
decade. The people who would vilify her for that comment are pathetic.
Post by Jim G.
and has no problem with the fact that she apparently embraces her
father's racism and thinks that he's "the best."
He told her jokes that kept a cross country car ride from being boring.
Sure, she is a horrible person for liking her dad. and she is racist for
laughing at whatever joke she didn't post but for which you must know
makes her horrible.
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You're basing a lot on one shortened word, and you're doing it on the
basis of an unsubstantiated claim from his sister.
He had no way of knowing that. And are you suggesting that he should
lock himself away even though he was the victim of ongoing bullying and
not the perp of it?
You missed earlier when Obveeus declared that because he said the word
'mutie' that one time, that means he's so morally degenerate that he
must have brought the bullying and physical assaults on himself.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem or is this just your typical
strategy of continuously lying in an effort to achieve your agenda?
Post by Jim G.
Meanwhile, in the real world, he shrugs off a reporter's use of "niggas"
I shrug it off because it wasn't used as a racist term
How was it different from the kid's use of "mutie"? Please be specific.
Post by Obveeus
and because it
was one of over 28,000 text messages spread out over more than half a
decade. The people who would vilify her for that comment are pathetic.
And yet the fictional kid is in high school and all it took was *one*
use of "mutie" for you to go off on him.
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Post by Jim G.
and has no problem with the fact that she apparently embraces her
father's racism and thinks that he's "the best."
He told her jokes that kept a cross country car ride from being boring.
Racist jokes, by her own admission. Odd that you'd leave out that adjective.
Post by Obveeus
Sure, she is a horrible person for liking her dad. and she is racist for
laughing at whatever joke she didn't post but for which you must know
makes her horrible.
When she admits that they were racist jokes, it really doesn't require
anything more than that. Even if you or I wouldn't agree with that
characterization of them, the fact that *she* did and that she was still
okay with it is what matters.
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weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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Ah, so fictional racism, then. And not even real racism as the mutants are
a different species, so it would be speciesism if anything.
Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his ass
kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As for
turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond his
control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I have no
idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral garbage" or
a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
Or listens to lawyers at CBASS.
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Hmm. Magneto may have coined a different name for them, but as long as
they breed with and are born of Homo Sapiens, they aren't a separate
species.
Yep. They are clearly humans...and if not, then Amy Aker's character
has some explaining to do. I can see why BTR1701 would object to the
word 'race' because he is an idiot and always tries to play that game,
but the end result is irrelevant. Whether THE GIFTED are a unique race
or a genetic anomaly or a magic trick doesn't change that the son was a
piece of moral garbage right up until he found himself on the short end
of the stick. Then, he turned violent.
I can see having issues with Dad, but not the son. All he did was use
the word "mutie" once. Other than that, he was a victim getting his ass
kicked on a regular basis by bullies who were bigger than him. As for
turning violent, it was made abundantly clear that it was beyond his
control, given that he's new to the whole mutant powers thing. I have no
idea how you came away with the son being a "piece of moral garbage" or
a "right winger."
Because Obvee tends to exaggerate.
He seems to have gone into this one *angry*, though. Or at least come
away angry. It's just very difficult to see how he can see the son as
being evil unless there was some weird filtering going on while he was
watching. Or maybe the kid just reminds him of some other young actor
that he doesn't like for some reason. I've had that sort of thing happen
to me before, not realizing it until later.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought
Post by BTR1701
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son
I'm sure it's just my lack of 'progressivism', but I completely missed
the son's racism. What did he do? Culturally appropriate a taco or
something?
Obv must have been in a bad mood when he wrote that review,
That was my impression, too.
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which bears
little resemblance to the actual show.
Agreed.
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At the beginning, the kid called
the mutants "muties," which is a negative slang word for the mutants.
Yep. Just one small step away from advocating genocide, I guess.
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The same thing that makes him vulnerable around Chloe probably takes
away his ability to make demon faces around her.
That's what I thought.
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I enjoyed it as usual, although I didn't think that Welling's character
added. I assume that Maz is coming back; I missed her.
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son, a clueless mom, and a cute
daughter. This pilot was overwrought with family hand ringing even
including the relationship pairing of the other GIFTED folks whom come
to help our main family. One and done for me.
I thought this was surprisingly good. The young actors were watchable;
there wasn't any forced drama; and there also wasn't any parent-kid
squabbling. Yes, Amy Acker with light brown/blond hair is a bit of a
stretch, but I give it a sold B, and I hope to have found the first new
show of the season to watch.

--Robin
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2017-10-03 15:17:42 UTC
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LUCIFER:  The premiere episode for the new season.  LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.  This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character.  Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I enjoyed it as usual, although I didn't think that Welling's character
added. I assume that Maz is coming back; I missed her.
Yep...but only when she can fit back into the leather costume. :-/
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2017-10-03 19:24:37 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I enjoyed it as usual, although I didn't think that Welling's character
added. I assume that Maz is coming back; I missed her.
I like the episode but have to wonder why they added Welling's
character. Hopefully they have something more planned for him given
they made such an issue of it. Maz is definitely coming back as she's
been shown in the trailer for this season.
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2017-10-03 22:07:07 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I enjoyed it as usual, although I didn't think that Welling's character
added. I assume that Maz is coming back; I missed her.
I agree re Welling's character.
Maze does add humour.
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2017-10-03 16:16:15 UTC
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What did you watch?
Lucifer, still fun.

Good Doctor, but we think we'll drop it. It's going to be the kid saving ppl every time.
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2017-10-03 16:51:29 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I watched this Sunday and liked it. Do we know whether Luci inability
to "face" is becuase he lost that ability or had it taken away or if
he just can't get it up near his kryptonite Chloe?
Post by Obveeus
9JKL: The pilot episode of the new and totally unfunny CBS sitcom.
This is yet another sitcom where a spineless guy gets pushed around by
his overbearing family. One and done for me.
One of the worst shows I've ever endured and that's saying a lot. Way
to schmaltz all over the Jewish.
Post by Obveeus
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son, a clueless mom, and a cute
daughter. This pilot was overwrought with family hand ringing even
including the relationship pairing of the other GIFTED folks whom come
to help our main family. One and done for me.
Wow, I didn't watch the same show as you. I was surprised at how much
I liked it as I usually am not interested in X-Men.
Post by Obveeus
THE GOOD DOCTOR: Our autistic doctor is settling in at work, but as the
newbie he gets nothing more than scut work...the junk tasks the real
doctors do not want to waste time with. Along the way he gets some
training on sarcasm and is pushed to the limits of his ability to
cooperate. Meanwhile, we find out that the people around him consist of
those hoping he will fail, those who steal credit for his work, and
those who are too spineless to stand up for him. Life as a doctor is
definitely going to be an uphill battle. Good episode, but I do wish
the show would just drop the childhood flashbacks.
I agree they should lose the flashbacks. They add nothing.
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What did you watch?
In addition to the above:

The Brave (NBC) -- This was really a good one. A spunky CIA operative
(Stacy Farber) running a high level Russian mole is targeted by Putin
and his army of spy hunters at her Ukraine location. She manages to
kill off the first batch sent after her after she stumbles across them
after they've killed everyone in her office. She's been shot in the
midst of the battle but is able to 911 for help. She barricades
herself in the office. When she wakes up, Dalton and his team are
there treating her wounds and sending her off on a chopper. Putin's
guys shoot down the chopper and take her captive. She then kills the
two guys dragging her away and takes it on the lam. Dalton's team is
in pursuit. She turns of lights to mark her path on satellite which
the DIA clues into (as well as the Russkies). Dalton ambushes the
Russkies who had set up their own ambush. Big body count in this one.
She makes it to a bathhouse where the proprietoress hides her until
Jaz arrives for the rescue. The boys takes a truck from some of the
spyhunters (more bodies) and use transfused blood to fake out the
pursuers, some of which get blowed up real good. More bodies. As
Putin's lads head to the big bang, a chopper lands to exfil the heroes
to safety. Later, as Dalton grills, Jaz cozies up to him. They need to
stay away from this and not go there.

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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
I watched this Sunday and liked it. Do we know whether Luci inability
to "face" is becuase he lost that ability or had it taken away or if
he just can't get it up near his kryptonite Chloe?
That seems to be the question of the day. I guess we have to wait and
see if LUCIFER can show his 'true face' to anyone else...even himself in
the mirror. Sadly, the episode didn't address the issue by having him
do so (ugly face in the mirror) or having him try to reveal the wings
that we saw he now has to Chloe.
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2017-10-03 17:01:38 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
And sooner or later he's going to have a pile of them, which there
should be *some* use for.
Post by Obveeus
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason. This episode
had lots of funny moments in it, excellent start to the season...though
I hope they find a better balance for Ella's character. Meanwhile, Tom
Welling still has hair that looks like a hat.
Heh. And next to nothing to do. But cute forensic girl was extra cute.
Post by Obveeus
9JKL: The pilot episode of the new and totally unfunny CBS sitcom.
This is yet another sitcom where a spineless guy gets pushed around by
his overbearing family. One and done for me.
None and done for me. The close ups of Lavin trying to get past his
security chain were enough.
Post by Obveeus
THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
Who for some bizarre reason is named "Strucker" who is the main literal
Nazi bad guy behind Hydra in the Marvel universe. And the girl who's
lawyer he is is Magneto's daughter ...
Post by Obveeus
that is 'just doing his job', a racist son, a clueless mom, and a cute
daughter.
Who didn't even react to seeing her little brother being dragged away
for a beating at the school dance.

This pilot was overwrought with family hand ringing even
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including the relationship pairing of the other GIFTED folks whom come
And boooooorrrrrrring
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to help our main family. One and done for me.
Yep. First show of the year to come off the DVR season pass.
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2017-10-03 18:23:00 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
And sooner or later he's going to have a pile of them, which there
should be *some* use for.
Maybe he can give his brother a wing transplant?
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THE GIFTED: The pilot episode for this new FOX series set in the X-MEN
universe. The main family consists of a Jack booted Nazi style father
Who for some bizarre reason is named "Strucker" who is the main literal
Nazi bad guy behind Hydra in the Marvel universe. And the girl who's
lawyer he is is Magneto's daughter ...
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that is 'just doing his job', a racist son, a clueless mom, and a cute
daughter.
Who didn't even react to seeing her little brother being dragged away
for a beating at the school dance.
The unaddressed question is: why are these bullies so set on attacking
him? My guess is that the little twerp has all kinds of self control
problems and probably dug his own hole with them.
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This pilot was overwrought with family hand ringing even
including the relationship pairing of the other GIFTED folks whom come
And boooooorrrrrrring
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to help our main family. One and done for me.
Yep. First show of the year to come off the DVR season pass.
Well, I guess I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't think that this
was a hit.
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2017-10-03 22:06:10 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
That he lost his ability to make the devil face is going to hurt the show.
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2017-10-03 22:32:09 UTC
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LUCIFER: The premiere episode for the new season. LUCIFER spends a lot
of time swinging his appendages around because he can't keep them down.
The case of the week involves a professional 'kidnapping' ring and the
romantic moment of the week involves LUCIFER trying to show his true
face to Chloe...but he gets over it for no good reason.
That he lost his ability to make the devil face is going to hurt the show.
Hardly. People will watch it to see if can get back the ability.
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2017-10-04 04:03:18 UTC
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What did you watch?
THE GIFTED / 1x01 / eXposed

[Set in the "X-Men" universe, family adventure series THE GIFTED tells
the emotional story of a suburban couple whose ordinary lives are rocked
by the sudden discovery that their teenage children possess mutant
powers. Forced to go on the run from a hostile government, the family
seeks help from an underground network of mutants and must fight to
survive.]

Things open with three mutants tracking down a fourth. They do pretty
much everything possible wrong and one of them gets captured by the
police because she's even more stupid than the rest of the group. We
learn later that the captured one is pregnant, so maybe it was stupidity
*and* hormones. We also learn that the rescuers here make a career out
of this sort of work, and the only requirement for the job beyond being
a mutant seems to be that both they and those they help must be young
and attractive. I'll call them the Helpful Attractive Mutants (HAMs) for
now.

Papa Strucker is a lawyer on the mutant task force and used to be a
vampire in Louisiana. Mama Strucker is a cutie who used to be a hacker,
among other things. Son Strucker has become a target for bullies and
really hates showers. Daughter Strucker is a cutie like Mom and has
hidden her mutant-ness for three years. Son and Daughter go to a school
dance that ends badly, then return home to tell Mom about the evening's
festivities. And their mutant-ness.

Sentinel Services is a federal agency dealing with mutants, and two of
its agents show up to take Son and Daughter into custody. For better or
worse, Sentinel Services apparently doesn't teach its agents about the
value of, say, knocking out young mutants before they can use their
powers against Sentinel Services agents who show up to take them into
custody. Either that or these two missed that day of class. The Strucker
home apparently has a driveway made of grass. "I don't know where to
begin," Mom tells Dad from a safe location as she starts to fill him in
about how their lives have just been changed in teeny-tiny ways. Call me
crazy, but I'd go with something like "Our kids are freaking mutants!"

The family goes into hiding and Daughter begins to teach Son about
mutant life. He has control issues or really hates vending machines, or
both. Stan Lee leaves a bar. Dad meets with one of the HAMs, which leads
to moving all of the Strucker family to a safe (a relative term here)
place, which leads to a crazy chase scene when Sentinel Services catches
up to them with some spiderbots that they stole from Peter Parker, which
leads to Son picking a really stupid time to waste time by testing his
new powers unnecessarily while Dad stupidly lets him do it, which leads
to Dad being left behind when everyone else is rescued. And that's where
things end: Mom and Daughter and Son are with some HAMs while Dad is
about to spend some quality time with Sentinel Services.

Aside from a few stupid things, this was...okay. I like the casting, but
the story so far is far from original. One theme that I heartily approve
of: the casting folks for this one like their tall, slender women. The
description applies to at least two mutants, to Mom, and to Dad's
assistant, to name just a few. And c'mon. Amy Acker. A show would have
to be *really* bad for me to pass up the opportunity to support her work.

Grade: B-
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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2017-10-04 04:23:49 UTC
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What did you watch?
THE GIFTED / 1x01 / eXposed
[Set in the "X-Men" universe, family adventure series THE GIFTED tells
the emotional story of a suburban couple whose ordinary lives are rocked
by the sudden discovery that their teenage children possess mutant
powers. Forced to go on the run from a hostile government, the family
seeks help from an underground network of mutants and must fight to
survive.]
Things open with three mutants tracking down a fourth. They do pretty
much everything possible wrong and one of them gets captured by the
police because she's even more stupid than the rest of the group. We
learn later that the captured one is pregnant, so maybe it was stupidity
*and* hormones. We also learn that the rescuers here make a career out
of this sort of work, and the only requirement for the job beyond being
a mutant seems to be that both they and those they help must be young
and attractive. I'll call them the Helpful Attractive Mutants (HAMs) for
now.
Papa Strucker is a lawyer on the mutant task force and used to be a
vampire in Louisiana. Mama Strucker is a cutie who used to be a hacker,
among other things. Son Strucker has become a target for bullies and
really hates showers. Daughter Strucker is a cutie like Mom and has
hidden her mutant-ness for three years. Son and Daughter go to a school
dance that ends badly, then return home to tell Mom about the evening's
festivities. And their mutant-ness.
Sentinel Services is a federal agency dealing with mutants, and two of
its agents show up to take Son and Daughter into custody. For better or
worse, Sentinel Services apparently doesn't teach its agents about the
value of, say, knocking out young mutants before they can use their
powers against Sentinel Services agents who show up to take them into
custody. Either that or these two missed that day of class. The Strucker
home apparently has a driveway made of grass. "I don't know where to
begin," Mom tells Dad from a safe location as she starts to fill him in
about how their lives have just been changed in teeny-tiny ways. Call me
crazy, but I'd go with something like "Our kids are freaking mutants!"
The family goes into hiding and Daughter begins to teach Son about
mutant life. He has control issues or really hates vending machines, or
both. Stan Lee leaves a bar. Dad meets with one of the HAMs, which leads
to moving all of the Strucker family to a safe (a relative term here)
place, which leads to a crazy chase scene when Sentinel Services catches
up to them with some spiderbots that they stole from Peter Parker, which
leads to Son picking a really stupid time to waste time by testing his
new powers unnecessarily while Dad stupidly lets him do it, which leads
to Dad being left behind when everyone else is rescued. And that's where
things end: Mom and Daughter and Son are with some HAMs while Dad is
about to spend some quality time with Sentinel Services.
Aside from a few stupid things, this was...okay. I like the casting, but
the story so far is far from original. One theme that I heartily approve
of: the casting folks for this one like their tall, slender women. The
description applies to at least two mutants, to Mom, and to Dad's
assistant, to name just a few. And c'mon. Amy Acker. A show would have
to be *really* bad for me to pass up the opportunity to support her work.
You can have Amy on this one. I've got pocket space reserved for Jamie
Chung, whom I've loved from her start as one of the REAL WORLD housemates.

I liked this show. Certainly more than INHUMANS.
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What did you watch?
THE GIFTED / 1x01 / eXposed
[Set in the "X-Men" universe, family adventure series THE GIFTED tells
the emotional story of a suburban couple whose ordinary lives are rocked
by the sudden discovery that their teenage children possess mutant
powers. Forced to go on the run from a hostile government, the family
seeks help from an underground network of mutants and must fight to
survive.]
Things open with three mutants tracking down a fourth. They do pretty
much everything possible wrong and one of them gets captured by the
police because she's even more stupid than the rest of the group. We
learn later that the captured one is pregnant, so maybe it was stupidity
*and* hormones. We also learn that the rescuers here make a career out
of this sort of work, and the only requirement for the job beyond being
a mutant seems to be that both they and those they help must be young
and attractive. I'll call them the Helpful Attractive Mutants (HAMs) for
now.
Papa Strucker is a lawyer on the mutant task force and used to be a
vampire in Louisiana. Mama Strucker is a cutie who used to be a hacker,
among other things. Son Strucker has become a target for bullies and
really hates showers. Daughter Strucker is a cutie like Mom and has
hidden her mutant-ness for three years. Son and Daughter go to a school
dance that ends badly, then return home to tell Mom about the evening's
festivities. And their mutant-ness.
Sentinel Services is a federal agency dealing with mutants, and two of
its agents show up to take Son and Daughter into custody. For better or
worse, Sentinel Services apparently doesn't teach its agents about the
value of, say, knocking out young mutants before they can use their
powers against Sentinel Services agents who show up to take them into
custody. Either that or these two missed that day of class. The Strucker
home apparently has a driveway made of grass. "I don't know where to
begin," Mom tells Dad from a safe location as she starts to fill him in
about how their lives have just been changed in teeny-tiny ways. Call me
crazy, but I'd go with something like "Our kids are freaking mutants!"
The family goes into hiding and Daughter begins to teach Son about
mutant life. He has control issues or really hates vending machines, or
both. Stan Lee leaves a bar. Dad meets with one of the HAMs, which leads
to moving all of the Strucker family to a safe (a relative term here)
place, which leads to a crazy chase scene when Sentinel Services catches
up to them with some spiderbots that they stole from Peter Parker, which
leads to Son picking a really stupid time to waste time by testing his
new powers unnecessarily while Dad stupidly lets him do it, which leads
to Dad being left behind when everyone else is rescued. And that's where
things end: Mom and Daughter and Son are with some HAMs while Dad is
about to spend some quality time with Sentinel Services.
Aside from a few stupid things, this was...okay. I like the casting, but
the story so far is far from original. One theme that I heartily approve
of: the casting folks for this one like their tall, slender women. The
description applies to at least two mutants, to Mom, and to Dad's
assistant, to name just a few. And c'mon. Amy Acker. A show would have
to be *really* bad for me to pass up the opportunity to support her work.
You can have Amy on this one. I've got pocket space reserved for Jamie
Chung, whom I've loved from her start as one of the REAL WORLD housemates.
I'm an Acker fan, but not in the hubba-hubba sense. She's certainly cute
enough, but there's something there that has always had me thinking of
her as a buddy type, rather than anything romantic or beyond.
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I liked this show. Certainly more than INHUMANS.
Yep. I'm not giving up on INHUMANS yet, but it's been an overall
disappointment so far.
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
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I'm an Acker fan, but not in the hubba-hubba sense. She's certainly cute
enough, but there's something there that has always had me thinking of
her as a buddy type, rather than anything romantic or beyond.
What if she was feeling blue?
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I'm an Acker fan, but not in the hubba-hubba sense. She's certainly cute
enough, but there's something there that has always had me thinking of
her as a buddy type, rather than anything romantic or beyond.
What if she was feeling blue?
http://res.cloudinary.com/nerd-appropriate/image/upload/v1434322535/NA_AMY_ACKER_ILLYRIA_fymv8b.jpg
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I watched a couple more episodes of 'The Vietnam War'. Nixon was a
royal-class prick.
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I watched a couple more episodes of 'The Vietnam War'. Nixon was a
royal-class prick.
He wasn't called Tricky Dick for nothing.
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What did you watch?
THE GIFTED / 1x01 / eXposed
[Set in the "X-Men" universe, family adventure series THE GIFTED tells
the emotional story of a suburban couple whose ordinary lives are rocked
by the sudden discovery that their teenage children possess mutant
powers. Forced to go on the run from a hostile government, the family
seeks help from an underground network of mutants and must fight to
survive.]
Things open with three mutants tracking down a fourth. They do pretty
much everything possible wrong and one of them gets captured by the
police because she's even more stupid than the rest of the group. We
learn later that the captured one is pregnant, so maybe it was stupidity
And the baby's Grandfather is Magneto, King of the Mutants
Post by Jim G.
*and* hormones. We also learn that the rescuers here make a career out
of this sort of work, and the only requirement for the job beyond being
a mutant seems to be that both they and those they help must be young
and attractive. I'll call them the Helpful Attractive Mutants (HAMs) for
now.
Papa Strucker is a lawyer on the mutant task force and used to be a
His father is the Nazi that formed Hydra
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vampire in Louisiana. Mama Strucker is a cutie who used to be a hacker,
Her father in law is the Nazi that formed Hydra
Post by Jim G.
among other things. Son Strucker has become a target for bullies and
His grandfather is the Nazi that formed Hydra
Post by Jim G.
really hates showers. Daughter Strucker is a cutie like Mom and has
Her grandfather is the Nazi that formed Hydra
Post by Jim G.
hidden her mutant-ness for three years. Son and Daughter go to a school
dance that ends badly,
where as 'miss perfect' she was perfectly willing to let her brother be
beaten to death

then return home to tell Mom about the evening's
Post by Jim G.
festivities. And their mutant-ness.
Sentinel Services is a federal agency dealing with mutants, and two of
its agents show up to take Son and Daughter into custody. For better or
worse, Sentinel Services apparently doesn't teach its agents about the
value of, say, knocking out young mutants before they can use their
powers against Sentinel Services agents who show up to take them into
custody. Either that or these two missed that day of class. The Strucker
home apparently has a driveway made of grass. "I don't know where to
begin," Mom tells Dad from a safe location as she starts to fill him in
about how their lives have just been changed in teeny-tiny ways. Call me
crazy, but I'd go with something like "Our kids are freaking mutants!"
In fairness, his father (or possibly grandfather) is the Nazi that
formed Hydra
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The family goes into hiding and Daughter begins to teach Son about
mutant life. He has control issues or really hates vending machines, or
both. Stan Lee leaves a bar. Dad meets with one of the HAMs, which leads
to moving all of the Strucker family to a safe (a relative term here)
after all, they are all relative to the Nazi that formed Hydra
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place, which leads to a crazy chase scene when Sentinel Services catches
up to them with some spiderbots that they stole from Peter Parker, which
leads to Son picking a really stupid time to waste time by testing his
new powers unnecessarily while Dad stupidly lets him do it, which leads
to Dad being left behind when everyone else is rescued. And that's where
things end: Mom and Daughter and Son are with some HAMs while Dad is
about to spend some quality time with Sentinel Services.
Aside from a few stupid things, this was...okay. I like the casting, but
the story so far is far from original. One theme that I heartily approve
of: the casting folks for this one like their tall, slender women. The
You mean women that make them think of men. Because they're gay.
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description applies to at least two mutants, to Mom, and to Dad's
assistant, to name just a few. And c'mon. Amy Acker. A show would have
to be *really* bad for me to pass up the opportunity to support her work.
So ... Con Man, MacGyver, A Nutcracker Christmas, Suits, A Novel Romance
...
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Grade: B-
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What did you watch?
THE GIFTED / 1x01 / eXposed
Aside from a few stupid things, this was...okay. I like the casting, but
the story so far is far from original. One theme that I heartily approve
of: the casting folks for this one like their tall, slender women. The
You mean women that make them think of men. Because they're gay.
Heh. No, I mean women who aren't Butterballs. Because tall and slender
guys need love, too.
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description applies to at least two mutants, to Mom, and to Dad's
assistant, to name just a few. And c'mon. Amy Acker. A show would have
to be *really* bad for me to pass up the opportunity to support her work.
So ... Con Man, MacGyver, A Nutcracker Christmas, Suits, A Novel Romance
In my case, the usual skiffy requirements still apply.
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