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Jerry Miculek Outshoots Bump Fire With Just His Finger
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BTR1701
2017-10-10 04:42:18 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ddPTyoV-Irc

Better check it out quick, though, because there's no telling how long the
censors at YouTube will allow the video to stay up.

See, our betters at Google-owned YouTube (remember: don’t be evil) are
memory holing anything to do with bump fire stocks.

Their explanation for deleting these videos off users' channels:

In certain circumstances, YouTube blocks certain
content in order to comply with local laws in certain
countries. Please note that no penalty will be applied to
your account.

YouTube doesn't allow content that promotes violent
or dangerous acts that have an inherent risk of serious
physical harm or death. For example, it's not okay to
post videos of drug abuse, underage drinking and
smoking or bomb making.

Good to know. A couple of problems, though.

First, bump fire stocks aren't illegal (much to the chagrin of many in
Congress). Second, shooting them isn't any more dangerous than shooting an
actual machine gun... of which there's no shortage of videos still on
YouTube.

So the real reason the wizards who run the world's largest video repository
have taken down bump fire videos is because at least one of the
ATF-approved accessories was apparently used in the Las Vegas massacre.
Which is strange because there are still hundreds of thousands of videos
featuring trucks on YouTube despite the fact that the Nice terrorist
attack-- which resulted in more deaths than in Las Vegas-- was perpetrated
using a truck.

Huh. Wonder what's behind the apparent contradiction?
RichA
2017-10-10 04:57:20 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ddPTyoV-Irc
Better check it out quick, though, because there's no telling how long the
censors at YouTube will allow the video to stay up.
See, our betters at Google-owned YouTube (remember: don’t be evil) are
memory holing anything to do with bump fire stocks.
In certain circumstances, YouTube blocks certain
content in order to comply with local laws in certain
countries. Please note that no penalty will be applied to
your account.
YouTube doesn't allow content that promotes violent
or dangerous acts that have an inherent risk of serious
physical harm or death. For example, it's not okay to
post videos of drug abuse, underage drinking and
smoking or bomb making.
Good to know. A couple of problems, though.
First, bump fire stocks aren't illegal (much to the chagrin of many in
Congress). Second, shooting them isn't any more dangerous than shooting an
actual machine gun... of which there's no shortage of videos still on
YouTube.
So the real reason the wizards who run the world's largest video repository
have taken down bump fire videos is because at least one of the
ATF-approved accessories was apparently used in the Las Vegas massacre.
Which is strange because there are still hundreds of thousands of videos
featuring trucks on YouTube despite the fact that the Nice terrorist
attack-- which resulted in more deaths than in Las Vegas-- was perpetrated
using a truck.
Huh. Wonder what's behind the apparent contradiction?
Amazing. Like when I saw a guy fan a six-shot single-action revolver in 1.7 seconds. I think it had a reinforced spring added.
trotsky
2017-10-10 10:37:18 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?

Get this weak shit out of here.
RichA
2017-10-10 14:57:13 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
Get this weak shit out of here.
Ask a video gamer who plays for an hour, genius.
icebreaker
2017-10-10 16:59:18 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.

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Rhino
2017-10-10 19:48:16 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.
Maybe that's why Paddock had so many rifles in his room? He wanted to
have spares for when his rifles failed.

I wonder how many of the rifles he had actually got fired while he was
in that room?
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icebreaker
2017-10-10 20:15:24 UTC
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Post by icebreaker
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.
Maybe that's why Paddock had so many rifles in his room? He wanted to
have spares for when his rifles failed.
maybe
Post by Rhino
I wonder how many of the rifles he had actually got fired while he was
in that room?
I don't know if they'll ever put out that info.

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shawn
2017-10-11 11:42:57 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:15:24 -0500, icebreaker
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:48:16 -0400, Rhino
Post by Rhino
Post by icebreaker
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.
Maybe that's why Paddock had so many rifles in his room? He wanted to
have spares for when his rifles failed.
maybe
I figured he had that a number of guns so he could switch weapons
without worrying about reloading. He had to know his time was short
before someone showed up to try and stop him so reloading would have
slowed down his firing (yeah, I know it wouldn't be much time for
anyone with experience.)
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Post by Rhino
I wonder how many of the rifles he had actually got fired while he was
in that room?
I don't know if they'll ever put out that info.
They'll probably have to given the amount of national interest in the
shooting. The lack of a known reason for the shooting is going to
allow the conspiracty theorists to keep this subject going for a long
time.
Obveeus
2017-10-11 12:30:16 UTC
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Post by shawn
On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:15:24 -0500, icebreaker
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:48:16 -0400, Rhino
Post by Rhino
Post by icebreaker
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.
Maybe that's why Paddock had so many rifles in his room? He wanted to
have spares for when his rifles failed.
maybe
I figured he had that a number of guns so he could switch weapons
without worrying about reloading. He had to know his time was short
before someone showed up to try and stop him so reloading would have
slowed down his firing (yeah, I know it wouldn't be much time for
anyone with experience.)
Post by icebreaker
Post by Rhino
I wonder how many of the rifles he had actually got fired while he was
in that room?
I don't know if they'll ever put out that info.
They'll probably have to given the amount of national interest in the
shooting. The lack of a known reason for the shooting is going to
allow the conspiracty theorists to keep this subject going for a long
time.
The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
It took them about a week to 'discover' that the security guard
initiated the live gunfire event rather than concluded it (a fact that
would have been clear to police on day 1). They initially let the
police peddle the story of heroic officers rushing into the hotel and
stopping the gunman rather than him having taken his own life (a
scenario that plays out the same in almost every one of these shootings
as the police always seem to take credit for ending the events before we
later find out that it was a murder/suicide situation). They still
haven't forced the release of even basic information such as how many
people (dead and injured) were actually shot vs. how many people
suffered trampling or fence climbing or heart attack or etc... injuries.
The news has also done a very poor job of pursuing the background of
this man...largely letting his family off with the story that they had
no idea and largely letting his financial situation simply float as
'rich guy' with no detailed list of assets and such that victims should
be working to catalog for restitution. At this point, the news seems
happy to just sit back and let the narrative be 'there is no way to stop
these crimes' and 'authorities say the investigation is ongoing' rather
than to, you know, do any investigating themselves or do any pushing to
put a narrative into the headlines that guns are even the problem.
Ed Stasiak
2017-10-11 14:46:06 UTC
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Obveeus
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shawn
I figured he had that a number of guns so he could switch weapons
without worrying about reloading. He had to know his time was short
before someone showed up to try and stop him so reloading would
have slowed down his firing (yeah, I know it wouldn't be much time
for anyone with experience.)
It would be quicker to slap in a fresh magazine, unless he had the other
rifles right at hand and ready to go, which doesn’t appear to be the case
from the photos, as they’re randomly scattered around the hotel room.

Photos which by the way, weren’t officially released by the police but
were secretly taken by one of the SWAT cops with his cellphone and
sent to a news organization in Germany, IIRC.

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And from these pics, I only count 8 rifles and one handgun and the
magazines are strangely stacked up on the floor next to the pillar
and not easily at hand, where he could have quickly grabbed them.

And why did he break into the neighboring room and bust out a window,
(causing the hotel security guard to investigate the door alarm) where
he didn’t have any guns and ammo stored and where he’d clearly have
a worse angle for shooting at the crowd?
Post by shawn
They'll probably have to given the amount of national interest in the
shooting. The lack of a known reason for the shooting is going to
allow the conspiracty theorists to keep this subject going for a long
time.
The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
Indeed, and when combined with the unaddressed discrepancies above
(and others) it only fuels speculation.

Why all the secrecy by the cops? It’s not like they’re going to court to
prosecute the guy, so there’s no need to protect evidence for a trial.
BTR1701
2017-10-11 16:14:34 UTC
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Obveeus
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shawn
I figured he had that a number of guns so he could switch weapons
without worrying about reloading. He had to know his time was short
before someone showed up to try and stop him so reloading would
have slowed down his firing (yeah, I know it wouldn't be much time
for anyone with experience.)
It would be quicker to slap in a fresh magazine, unless he had the other
rifles right at hand and ready to go, which doesn’t appear to be the case
from the photos, as they’re randomly scattered around the hotel room.
Photos which by the way, weren’t officially released by the police but
were secretly taken by one of the SWAT cops with his cellphone and
sent to a news organization in Germany, IIRC.
https://i0.wp.com/amano-jack.jp/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1-33.jpg
And from these pics, I only count 8 rifles and one handgun and the
magazines are strangely stacked up on the floor next to the pillar
and not easily at hand, where he could have quickly grabbed them.
And why did he break into the neighboring room and bust out a window,
(causing the hotel security guard to investigate the door alarm) where
he didn’t have any guns and ammo stored and where he’d clearly have
a worse angle for shooting at the crowd?
Every report I've read says that both broken windows were in the same
room. It was a corner suite with windows on both sides of the building.
Ed Stasiak
2017-10-11 16:39:43 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
And why did he break into the neighboring room and bust out a window,
(causing the hotel security guard to investigate the door alarm) where
he didn’t have any guns and ammo stored and where he’d clearly have
a worse angle for shooting at the crowd?
Every report I've read says that both broken windows were in the same
room. It was a corner suite with windows on both sides of the building.
All the reports I’ve seen say it was a neighboring room;

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anim8rfsk
2017-10-11 15:29:59 UTC
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The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
You misspelled 'every story'
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Obveeus
2017-10-11 15:32:00 UTC
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The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
You misspelled 'every story'
True enough. Investigative TV news seems to have been abandoned in
favor of letting news stories simply be submitted to them by the most
partial parties available.
BTR1701
2017-10-11 16:12:35 UTC
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Post by Obveeus
The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
It took them about a week to 'discover' that the security guard
initiated the live gunfire event rather than concluded it (a fact that
would have been clear to police on day 1). They initially let the
police peddle the story of heroic officers rushing into the hotel and
stopping the gunman rather than him having taken his own life (a
scenario that plays out the same in almost every one of these shootings
as the police always seem to take credit for ending the events before we
later find out that it was a murder/suicide situation). They still
haven't forced the release of even basic information such as how many
people (dead and injured) were actually shot vs. how many people
suffered trampling or fence climbing or heart attack or etc... injuries.
The news has also done a very poor job of pursuing the background of
this man...largely letting his family off with the story that they had
no idea and largely letting his financial situation simply float as
'rich guy' with no detailed list of assets and such that victims should
be working to catalog for restitution. At this point, the news seems
happy to just sit back and let the narrative be 'there is no way to stop
these crimes' and 'authorities say the investigation is ongoing' rather
than to, you know, do any investigating themselves or do any pushing to
put a narrative into the headlines that guns are even the problem.
Why do you believe it's the job of the news to push one narrative over
another?
Adam H. Kerman
2017-10-11 17:54:06 UTC
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Post by Obveeus
The news has done a very bad job of covering/investigating this story.
It took them about a week to 'discover' that the security guard
initiated the live gunfire event rather than concluded it (a fact that
would have been clear to police on day 1). They initially let the
police peddle the story of heroic officers rushing into the hotel and
stopping the gunman rather than him having taken his own life (a
scenario that plays out the same in almost every one of these shootings
as the police always seem to take credit for ending the events before we
later find out that it was a murder/suicide situation). They still
haven't forced the release of even basic information such as how many
people (dead and injured) were actually shot vs. how many people
suffered trampling or fence climbing or heart attack or etc... injuries.
The news has also done a very poor job of pursuing the background of
this man...largely letting his family off with the story that they had
no idea and largely letting his financial situation simply float as
'rich guy' with no detailed list of assets and such that victims should
be working to catalog for restitution.
Up to this point in the followup, obveeus makes a few reasonable observations.
Post by Obveeus
At this point, the news seems happy to just sit back and let the
narrative be 'there is no way to stop these crimes' and 'authorities
say the investigation is ongoing' rather than to, you know, do any
investigating themselves or do any pushing to put a narrative into the
headlines that guns are even the problem.
Another example of obveeus never making thoughtless empty political commentary.

I don't see any practical difference between political commentary by
obveeus versus Irish Mike. They both make RichA look thoughtful and
scholarly.

I apologize in advance to obveeus if I missed the followup in which he
offered a solution for cracking down on rich guys planning horrible crimes
who aren't conspiring with others to commit them.
BTR1701
2017-10-11 16:10:39 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 15:15:24 -0500, icebreaker
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Post by BTR1701
Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Wow. How does that work out after firing two thousand rounds?
A couple thousand rounds in succession won't happen as the gas tube
will fail and the handguard will catch fire. At some point the barrel
will fail due to the heat but probably not before the rifle starts
failing to feed/eject after a few hundred rounds. They are designed
for rates of fire from 12-15 rounds per minute.
Maybe that's why Paddock had so many rifles in his room? He wanted to
have spares for when his rifles failed.
maybe
I figured he had that a number of guns so he could switch weapons
without worrying about reloading.
Switching out pre-loaded mags is a lot quicker and easier than grabbing
a whole new rifle.
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2017-10-10 11:13:47 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
Skilled finger not even necessary as demonstrated here:

How To Bump Fire without bump stock:

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ddPTyoV-Irc
Better check it out quick, though, because there's no telling how long the
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.

What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
Rhino
2017-10-10 19:46:16 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.

And then there was the high school class valedictorian who got expelled
because her photo on the school yearbook fell afoul of the school's
anti-gun policy. She had already decided to do a tour with the National
Guard after high school and had her picture taken standing in front of
one of the local Guard unit's vehicles (an Armoured Personnel Carrier or
something similar).

Apparently, leftists aren't able to distinguish between actual guns,
pictures of guns, and food items in the vague shape of a gun so they
treat them all the same. This leads to sensible people being ruled by
idiots....
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anim8rfsk
2017-10-10 20:22:53 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
this is a really sad Google

Googling "student pop" auto fills "tart gun"

Bringing up news articles with these headlines:

2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun

2014 Pop Tart suspension should be upheld, school official says

2016 Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland Judge

3.5 years later, Pop Tart Gun suspension resolved
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/35-years-later-pop-tart-gun-suspension-
resolved

A secret settlement was reached. The kid was 7, and wasn't even trying
to make a gun, and didn't make much more than an "L":

Here's the Huffington image:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1044231/images/o-STUDENT-SUSPENDED-FOR-POP-TART
-GUN-facebook.jpg

Here's what the kid actually made:
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Some people note the uncanny resemblance to Idaho.

I see at least half a dozen pop tarts that have been made to look more
like guns for their phony baloney news stories.
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2017-10-11 11:39:17 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
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Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
Post by anim8rfsk
this is a really sad Google
Googling "student pop" auto fills "tart gun"
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
2014 Pop Tart suspension should be upheld, school official says
2016 Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland Judge
3.5 years later, Pop Tart Gun suspension resolved
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/35-years-later-pop-tart-gun-suspension-
resolved
A secret settlement was reached. The kid was 7, and wasn't even trying
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1044231/images/o-STUDENT-SUSPENDED-FOR-POP-TART
-GUN-facebook.jpg
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pop-tart-gun.jpg
Some people note the uncanny resemblance to Idaho.
So why did anyone assume it was a gun and why in the world would any
court agree to that original suspension. Sad that the school likely
had to pay out taxpayer money for their stupidity without any of the
people responsible for the original decision being penalized.
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I see at least half a dozen pop tarts that have been made to look more
like guns for their phony baloney news stories.
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2017-10-11 15:51:45 UTC
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
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Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
Yeah, unless he aimed it at somebody and said 'pow pow pow' I have no
idea why you'd think it was a gun, and if he did that, that would be
what you'd suspend him for, not 'unlawful chewing'
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Post by anim8rfsk
this is a really sad Google
Googling "student pop" auto fills "tart gun"
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
2014 Pop Tart suspension should be upheld, school official says
2016 Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland Judge
3.5 years later, Pop Tart Gun suspension resolved
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/35-years-later-pop-tart-gun-suspension-
resolved
A secret settlement was reached. The kid was 7, and wasn't even trying
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1044231/images/o-STUDENT-SUSPENDED-FOR-POP-TART
-GUN-facebook.jpg
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pop-tart-gun.jpg
Some people note the uncanny resemblance to Idaho.
So why did anyone assume it was a gun and why in the world would any
court agree to that original suspension. Sad that the school likely
had to pay out taxpayer money for their stupidity without any of the
people responsible for the original decision being penalized.
A lot of people need to lose their jobs over this; unfortunately none of
them will.
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Post by anim8rfsk
I see at least half a dozen pop tarts that have been made to look more
like guns for their phony baloney news stories.
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. . .
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
Post by anim8rfsk
this is a really sad Google
Googling "student pop" auto fills "tart gun"
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
2014 Pop Tart suspension should be upheld, school official says
2016 Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland Judge
3.5 years later, Pop Tart Gun suspension resolved
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/35-years-later-pop-tart-gun-suspension-resolved
A secret settlement was reached. The kid was 7, and wasn't even trying
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https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pop-tart-gun.jpg
Some people note the uncanny resemblance to Idaho. . . .
So why did anyone assume it was a gun and why in the world would any
court agree to that original suspension. Sad that the school likely
had to pay out taxpayer money for their stupidity without any of the
people responsible for the original decision being penalized.
Because we never address the long-standing issue of bullying in schools:
Certain people in society want authority over children in order to
exert control and not for helping them to grow up as knowledgeable,
decent adults. These people become vice principals and in a few
unfortunate cases, teachers. Because we can never expect parents to
discipline their own children, we given them legal authority over
other people's children.

It was nothing more than I don't like this kid and I'm going to cause
as much trouble for him as I can. 3 and a half years! Oh my ghod.
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2017-10-11 18:38:31 UTC
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. . .
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
Post by anim8rfsk
this is a really sad Google
Googling "student pop" auto fills "tart gun"
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
2014 Pop Tart suspension should be upheld, school official says
2016 Pop-Tart gun suspension upheld by Maryland Judge
3.5 years later, Pop Tart Gun suspension resolved
http://kutv.com/news/nation-world/35-years-later-pop-tart-gun-suspension-res
olved
A secret settlement was reached. The kid was 7, and wasn't even trying
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1044231/images/o-STUDENT-SUSPENDED-FOR-POP-TART-GU
N-facebook.jpg
https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/pop-tart-gun.jpg
Some people note the uncanny resemblance to Idaho. . . .
So why did anyone assume it was a gun and why in the world would any
court agree to that original suspension. Sad that the school likely
had to pay out taxpayer money for their stupidity without any of the
people responsible for the original decision being penalized.
Certain people in society want authority over children in order to
exert control and not for helping them to grow up as knowledgeable,
decent adults. These people become vice principals and in a few
unfortunate cases, teachers. Because we can never expect parents to
discipline their own children, we given them legal authority over
other people's children.
It was nothing more than I don't like this kid and I'm going to cause
as much trouble for him as I can. 3 and a half years! Oh my ghod.
Yep. The sad thing is the admins and judges that went along with it,
proclaiming this a good thing to do.
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Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
Indeed - there are reasons why it is illegal to own unregistered
locksmithing tools (particularly lock picks) in most jurisdictions.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
I don't know about that but kids have gotten into trouble with water
pistols for decades. I know one kid who got into MAJOR trouble over
painting his water pistol grey to imitate a real weapon and teachers
went ape when he drew the very realistic water pistol.

I knew a second kid (aged about 14-15) who did something similar with
a piece of wood and was waving it around in a threatening manner.
Police were summoned and when he raised his hands and the officers
inspected his 'weapon' an officer told him "you were damn lucky not to
be shot today kid - let it be a lesson to you - you nearly had your
whole family crying for you today"

(Years later I am still unsure whether the officer meant it or just
trying to scare the hell out of the kid to teach a lesson)
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Post by anim8rfsk
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
I am mystified how you could make a Pop-Tart look like an actual
weapon but what do I know. I did know one kid who got into trouble for
entering a bank with his hand under his sweater mimicking a gun.
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:39:17 -0400, shawn
Post by shawn
Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
Indeed - there are reasons why it is illegal to own unregistered
locksmithing tools (particularly lock picks) in most jurisdictions.
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
I don't know about that but kids have gotten into trouble with water
pistols for decades. I know one kid who got into MAJOR trouble over
painting his water pistol grey to imitate a real weapon and teachers
went ape when he drew the very realistic water pistol.
I knew a second kid (aged about 14-15) who did something similar with
a piece of wood and was waving it around in a threatening manner.
Police were summoned and when he raised his hands and the officers
inspected his 'weapon' an officer told him "you were damn lucky not to
be shot today kid - let it be a lesson to you - you nearly had your
whole family crying for you today"
(Years later I am still unsure whether the officer meant it or just
trying to scare the hell out of the kid to teach a lesson)
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
I am mystified how you could make a Pop-Tart look like an actual
weapon but what do I know. I did know one kid who got into trouble for
entering a bank with his hand under his sweater mimicking a gun.
He ate 1/4 of it, leaving a crude "L" shape.
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:39:17 -0400, shawn
Post by shawn
Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
Indeed - there are reasons why it is illegal to own unregistered
locksmithing tools (particularly lock picks) in most jurisdictions.
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
I don't know about that but kids have gotten into trouble with water
pistols for decades. I know one kid who got into MAJOR trouble over
painting his water pistol grey to imitate a real weapon and teachers
went ape when he drew the very realistic water pistol.
I knew a second kid (aged about 14-15) who did something similar with
a piece of wood and was waving it around in a threatening manner.
Police were summoned and when he raised his hands and the officers
inspected his 'weapon' an officer told him "you were damn lucky not to
be shot today kid - let it be a lesson to you - you nearly had your
whole family crying for you today"
(Years later I am still unsure whether the officer meant it or just
trying to scare the hell out of the kid to teach a lesson)
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
I am mystified how you could make a Pop-Tart look like an actual
weapon but what do I know. I did know one kid who got into trouble for
entering a bank with his hand under his sweater mimicking a gun.
He ate 1/4 of it, leaving a crude "L" shape.
He even said he was trying to make a mountain but failed. So the
teacher that freaked out about the pop tart apparently didn't bother
to ask what he was trying to make before escalating the issue.
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2017-10-12 00:27:49 UTC
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 07:39:17 -0400, shawn
Post by shawn
Removing something from the shelves that makes it easy for someone to
create an automatic rifle seems a reasonable change. Sure someone can
work around it by doing the tricks shown but there's no reason to make
it easy for anyone to do it.
Indeed - there are reasons why it is illegal to own unregistered
locksmithing tools (particularly lock picks) in most jurisdictions.
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Rhino
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
I never understood why anyone would get so upset about a pop tart in
any shape. Did the kid even pick up the pop tart and pretend it was a
gun? If not then how would anyone know it was a gun and not just a pop
tart being eaten in an unusual manner (no different from someone
eating the edges first.)
I don't know about that but kids have gotten into trouble with water
pistols for decades. I know one kid who got into MAJOR trouble over
painting his water pistol grey to imitate a real weapon and teachers
went ape when he drew the very realistic water pistol.
I knew a second kid (aged about 14-15) who did something similar with
a piece of wood and was waving it around in a threatening manner.
Police were summoned and when he raised his hands and the officers
inspected his 'weapon' an officer told him "you were damn lucky not to
be shot today kid - let it be a lesson to you - you nearly had your
whole family crying for you today"
(Years later I am still unsure whether the officer meant it or just
trying to scare the hell out of the kid to teach a lesson)
Post by shawn
Post by anim8rfsk
2013 Student Suspended for Pop-Tart Gun
I am mystified how you could make a Pop-Tart look like an actual
weapon but what do I know. I did know one kid who got into trouble for
entering a bank with his hand under his sweater mimicking a gun.
He ate 1/4 of it, leaving a crude "L" shape.
He even said he was trying to make a mountain but failed. So the
teacher that freaked out about the pop tart apparently didn't bother
to ask what he was trying to make before escalating the issue.
Yep. Needs to be fired.
Principal. Needs to be fired.
School admin. Needs to be fired.
Judge who said this was right. Needs to be fired.
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
I still remember reading about one young school-child - kindergarten I
think - who got suspended for a week (or maybe even expelled) because he
chewed a pop-tart into the shape of a gun and thereby fell afoul of his
school's anti-gun policy.
And then there was the high school class valedictorian who got expelled
because her photo on the school yearbook fell afoul of the school's
anti-gun policy. She had already decided to do a tour with the National
Guard after high school and had her picture taken standing in front of
one of the local Guard unit's vehicles (an Armoured Personnel Carrier or
something similar).
Apparently, leftists aren't able to distinguish between actual guns,
pictures of guns, and food items in the vague shape of a gun so they
treat them all the same. This leads to sensible people being ruled by
idiots....
Actually, what led to sensible people being ruled by idiots is that
there are more idiots that we thought.
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
You're so right. But your lack of legitimate ideas of any kind makes me
think your anonymous piece of shit existence doesn't care how many
bodies are piled up because of guns. Same something of consequence if
you have any balls whatsoever.
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
You're so right. But your lack of legitimate ideas of any kind makes me
think your anonymous piece of shit existence doesn't care how many
bodies are piled up because of guns. Same something of consequence if
you have any balls whatsoever.
You know, on another subject after Thanny asked me how many dead were
acceptable - I answered his question, and then I asked him the same
question.

I'm still waiting for his answer. I asked him 5 more times over the
month, and I'm STILL waiting for his answer. So, on the occasion of
another mass murder, I'll repeat it.

I'm sure this time he'll answer, now that he's had a few months to think
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So, now... answer your own question. Of the 26 kids and adults murdered
at Sandy Hook - how many of them do you consider "acceptable"
casualties.
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I'd love to know your answer! It'll tell us all a lot about you and
your priorities, and what kind of a human being you are.
I'll wait.
And cue the crickets...
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
You're so right.  But your lack of legitimate ideas of any kind makes me
think your anonymous piece of shit existence doesn't care how many
bodies are piled up because of guns.  Same something of consequence if
you have any balls whatsoever.
You know, on another subject after Thanny asked me how many dead were
acceptable - I answered his question, and then I asked him the same
question.
I'm still waiting for his answer.  I asked him 5 more times over the
month, and I'm STILL waiting for his answer.  So, on the occasion of
another mass murder, I'll repeat it.
I'm sure this time he'll answer, now that he's had a few months to think
Post by BTR1701
So, now... answer your own question.  Of the 26 kids and adults
murdered
Post by BTR1701
at Sandy Hook - how many of them do you consider "acceptable"
casualties.
Post by BTR1701
I'd love to know your answer!  It'll tell us all a lot about you and
your priorities, and what kind of a human being you are.
I'll wait.
And cue the crickets...
The other thing that's queer is Thanny's Breitbart like "the left's
hysteria!" when the media has CLEARLY reported that the blowback from
bump stocks is bipartisan:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/354762-bipartisan-lawmakers-unveil-bill-to-ban-gun-bump-stocks

I think in the old days Thanny used to have a loose adherence to the
truth and now with Trump in office he just sounds batshit crazy like Trump.
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Apparently one doesn't need a bump fire stock at all. Just a skilled
trigger finger.
http://youtu.be/L2YLgLj8KVY
This is why the Left's current "Do something!" hysteria will be just as
ineffective as all their previous efforts.
What are they gonna do next? Make it illegal to hook your finger while
firing? Or make it a crime not to seat the stock snugly against your
shoulder?
You're so right. But your lack of legitimate ideas of any kind makes me
think your anonymous piece of shit existence doesn't care how many
bodies are piled up because of guns. Same something of consequence if
you have any balls whatsoever.
You know, on another subject after Thanny asked me how many dead were
acceptable - I answered his question, and then I asked him the same
question.
I'm still waiting for his answer. I asked him 5 more times over the
month, and I'm STILL waiting for his answer. So, on the occasion of
another mass murder, I'll repeat it.
I'm sure this time he'll answer, now that he's had a few months to think
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
So, now... answer your own question. Of the 26 kids and adults
murdered
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
at Sandy Hook - how many of them do you consider "acceptable"
casualties.
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
I'd love to know your answer! It'll tell us all a lot about you and
your priorities, and what kind of a human being you are.
I'll wait.
And cue the crickets...
Because cons avoid cites for their claims, that's usually how their discussions end.
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