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BBC: London murder rate passes New York. So much for European gun control
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RichA
2018-04-03 06:31:48 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
Michael OConnor
2018-04-03 06:37:59 UTC
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How long will it be before you hear talk about banning knives over there?
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-03 07:25:41 UTC
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Michael OConnor
How long will it be before you hear talk about banning knives over there?
Knives are effectively banned in the UK, where you can get arrested
for carrying a Boy Scout pocket knife.

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RichA
2018-04-03 08:29:27 UTC
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Michael OConnor
How long will it be before you hear talk about banning knives over there?
Knives are effectively banned in the UK, where you can get arrested
for carrying a Boy Scout pocket knife.
https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/UKBinThatKnife.jpg
Yes, I think you have to be a certain age to buy them. They've also regulated sales of hydrochloric acid used in etching concrete floors for painting because of acid attacks there. What next?
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-03 09:24:23 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Knives are effectively banned in the UK, where you can get arrested
for carrying a Boy Scout pocket knife.
Yes, I think you have to be a certain age to buy them. They've also regulated
sales of hydrochloric acid used in etching concrete floors for painting because
of acid attacks there. What next?
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Pete
2018-04-03 18:50:42 UTC
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Michael OConnor
How long will it be before you hear talk about banning knives over there?
Knives are effectively banned in the UK, where you can get arrested
for carrying a Boy Scout pocket knife.
Not really... When I visited the London Eye, I was asked to surrender
the Swiss Army knife on my belt, but I got it back on leaving.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-03 15:22:37 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
"BBC: London murder rate passes New York. So much for European gun
control"

Why always so extreme? London is a city in ONE country in Europe, so
automatically with no substation this applies to all others?

That's idiotic.

Compare US statistics with any other modern country. You lose. Every.
Single. Time.

I've heard you're Canadian. That should make you feel safer and is
statistically justifiable.
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-03 17:51:36 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
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RichA
"BBC: London murder rate passes New York. So much for European
gun control"
Compare US statistics with any other modern country. You lose. Every.
Single. Time.
And yet anti-gun fundies do it all the time.
David Johnston
2018-04-03 15:32:11 UTC
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In a couple of months where the weather in New York rather discouraged
being out and about.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-04-03 17:53:34 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
In a couple of months where the weather in New York rather discouraged
being out and about.
Lovers and spouses and business partners have stopped murdering each
other? I had no idea, Johnston. Looks like you're wrong again.
David Johnston
2018-04-03 17:59:25 UTC
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In a couple of months where the weather in New York rather discouraged
being out and about.
Lovers and spouses and business partners have stopped murdering each
other? I had no idea, Johnston. Looks like you're wrong again.
I had no idea those were the only kinds of murder.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-04-03 18:51:28 UTC
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In a couple of months where the weather in New York rather discouraged
being out and about.
Lovers and spouses and business partners have stopped murdering each
other? I had no idea, Johnston. Looks like you're wrong again.
I had no idea those were the only kinds of murder.
You haven't a clue about lots of things. If anything, when people remain
indoors due to inclement weather, that increases the likelihood of such
murders.
Pete
2018-04-03 18:46:42 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
Promptly negated by BBC's own more detailed 'Reality Check':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43628494
Rhino
2018-04-03 19:28:29 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43628494
So the BBC has disputed its own story? Interesting! Where were the
disputers when the original story was being considered for publication?
In other words, why didn't they "head if off at the pass"?
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Pete
2018-04-03 20:08:25 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43628494
So the BBC has disputed its own story? Interesting! Where were the
disputers when the original story was being considered for publication?
In other words, why didn't they "head if off at the pass"?
Strangely -- but probably not surprisingly -- when I went
to Rich's link above, it's not about the crime rate, but about
a specific knife attack! I couldn't find any comparison of
London/New York murder rates.

The Reality Check article OTOH says the comparison was by the
Sunday Times. I don't recall actually seeing any BBC article
making the statement claimed by Rich, and I do read its stream
on a daily basis.
Rhino
2018-04-03 23:30:01 UTC
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43628494
So the BBC has disputed its own story? Interesting! Where were the
disputers when the original story was being considered for publication?
In other words, why didn't they "head if off at the pass"?
Strangely -- but probably not surprisingly -- when I went
to Rich's link above, it's not about the crime rate, but about
a specific knife attack! I couldn't find any comparison of
London/New York murder rates.
The Reality Check article OTOH says the comparison was by the
Sunday Times. I don't recall actually seeing any BBC article
making the statement claimed by Rich, and I do read its stream
on a daily basis.
It wouldn't be unusual for Rich to extrapolate from a single incident to
make some global claim that is usually ridiculous when you look at
beyond a single glance. For instance if one Muslim beheads a non-Muslim
anywhere in the world - even just on TV - it would be like Rich to claim
that all Muslims everywhere want nothing but to behead every infidel in
the entire world.
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Darrel Knutson
2018-04-04 03:59:07 UTC
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It wouldn't be unusual for Rich to extrapolate from a single incident to
make some global claim that is usually ridiculous when you look at
beyond a single glance. For instance if one Muslim beheads a non-Muslim
anywhere in the world - even just on TV - it would be like Rich to claim
that all Muslims everywhere want nothing but to behead every infidel in
the entire world.
You misunderstand. It must be only RichA they're after, not us. That may
be the only justification for his paranoia. It's difficult to untangle
and untwist his blanket arguments against "others" otherwise.
RichA
2018-04-04 04:25:21 UTC
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Post by Rhino
It wouldn't be unusual for Rich to extrapolate from a single incident to
make some global claim that is usually ridiculous when you look at
beyond a single glance. For instance if one Muslim beheads a non-Muslim
anywhere in the world - even just on TV - it would be like Rich to claim
that all Muslims everywhere want nothing but to behead every infidel in
the entire world.
You misunderstand. It must be only RichA they're after, not us. That may
be the only justification for his paranoia. It's difficult to untangle
and untwist his blanket arguments against "others" otherwise.
Here is a blanket statement: If they published the ethnicities of the latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S. London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime is rampant.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43632352
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-04 17:47:37 UTC
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Post by Rhino
It wouldn't be unusual for Rich to extrapolate from a single incident to
make some global claim that is usually ridiculous when you look at
beyond a single glance. For instance if one Muslim beheads a non-Muslim
anywhere in the world - even just on TV - it would be like Rich to claim
that all Muslims everywhere want nothing but to behead every infidel in
the entire world.
You misunderstand. It must be only RichA they're after, not us. That may
be the only justification for his paranoia. It's difficult to untangle
and untwist his blanket arguments against "others" otherwise.
Here is a blanket statement: If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime is
rampant.
Post by RichA
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43632352
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-05 02:48:13 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
RichA
Here is a blanket statement:  If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html
Emma Henderson
Thursday 14 January 2016

Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist

Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged criminals for fear
of being seen as racist.

According to an internal letter, police in capital city Stockholm are instructed to refrain
from describing suspects' race and nationality, according to news website Speisa.

Local newspaper Svenska Dagbadet reported it had seen the letter, which it said
outlined how officers should now notify the public of crimes.

The crimes “involve everything from lighter traffic accidents to serious crimes like muggings,
beatings and murder,” the paper reported.

The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic information such
as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height should not be given.

It was written by Stockholm police press officers Wolf Gyllander and Carina Skagerlind,
and said crimes should be reported externally via the police website, without descriptions.

“We want to avoid pointing out ethnic groups as criminal,” said Mr Gyllander.

Sepesia reported the letter read: “Criticism is sometimes made against police regarding
information about people’s skin colour. It is perceived as racist.

“As police are not racist, nor shall be constructed as so, this directive now applied.”

The letter, dated September 15, 2015 was written just a few weeks after a youth festival
in central Stockholm at which there were a number of alleged sex attacks.
BTR1701
2018-04-05 03:30:51 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
RichA
Here is a blanket statement:  If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Emma Henderson
Thursday 14 January 2016
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged
criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
Nothing is more frightening to a 'progressive' than someone thinking
they're racist. All other considerations are rescinded.

They almost literally piss their knickers over their fear of perceived
racism, yet it's anyone who opposes 'progressivism' that's constantly
labeled as a '--phobe' and 'afraid'.
Post by Ed Stasiak
The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic
information such as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height should
not be given.
Why the hell would height be redacted? Even if you're hysterically
terrified of being called a racist, how does height figure into that?
anim8rfsk
2018-04-05 04:03:52 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
RichA
Here is a blanket statement:  If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Emma Henderson
Thursday 14 January 2016
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged
criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
Nothing is more frightening to a 'progressive' than someone thinking
they're racist. All other considerations are rescinded.
They almost literally piss their knickers over their fear of perceived
racism, yet it's anyone who opposes 'progressivism' that's constantly
labeled as a '--phobe' and 'afraid'.
Post by Ed Stasiak
The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic
information such as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height should
not be given.
Why the hell would height be redacted? Even if you're hysterically
terrified of being called a racist, how does height figure into that?
Racism against midgets.
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2018-04-05 10:52:22 UTC
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Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged
criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
Nothing is more frightening to a 'progressive' than someone thinking
they're racist. All other considerations are rescinded.
BS, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Post by BTR1701
They almost literally piss their knickers over their fear of perceived
racism, yet it's anyone who opposes 'progressivism' that's constantly
labeled as a '--phobe' and 'afraid'.
Only when they use the dog whistles you like. The are highly indicative.
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Post by Ed Stasiak
The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic
information such as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height should
not be given.
Why the hell would height be redacted? Even if you're hysterically
terrified of being called a racist, how does height figure into that?
Ask the police in Sweden. They certainly have a good reason for it.
Don't just conjecture and assume evil intentions, because that ain't
normal behavior.
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Darrel Knutson
RichA
Here is a blanket statement:  If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Emma Henderson
Thursday 14 January 2016
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged
criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
Nothing is more frightening to a 'progressive'
Oh just shut the fuck up already. You've gone beyond diarrhea of the
mouth to explosive bloody diarrhea of the mouth.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-05 10:52:22 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
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RichA
Here is a blanket statement: If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-a
llowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-raci
st-a6810311.html
Post by Ed Stasiak
Emma Henderson
Thursday 14 January 2016
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
Swedish police will no longer be able to give descriptions of alleged
criminals for fear of being seen as racist.
According to an internal letter, police in capital city Stockholm are
instructed to refrain from describing suspects' race and nationality,
according to news website Speisa.
Local newspaper Svenska Dagbadet reported it had seen the letter, which it
said outlined how officers should now notify the public of crimes.
The crimes "involve everything from lighter traffic accidents to serious
crimes like muggings, beatings and murder," the paper reported.
The letter specifies that, for everyday crimes such as burglary, basic
information such as ethnicity, nationality, skin colour and height
should not be given.
It was written by Stockholm police press officers Wolf Gyllander and
Carina Skagerlind, and said crimes should be reported externally via the
police website, without descriptions.
"We want to avoid pointing out ethnic groups as criminal," said Mr
Gyllander.
Sepesia reported the letter read: "Criticism is sometimes made against
police regarding information about people's skin colour. It is perceived
as racist.
"As police are not racist, nor shall be constructed as so, this directive
now applied."
The letter, dated September 15, 2015 was written just a few weeks after a
youth festival in central Stockholm at which there were a number of
alleged sex attacks.
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US. Swedish people are on the side of the people and institute
policies reflecting this ideal.
BTR1701
2018-04-05 14:57:46 UTC
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RichA
Here is a blanket statement: If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US.
Which has nothing to do with politically correct policies like this that
hamstring law enforcement, aid criminals, and make people less safe, all
so they can congratulate themselves on how 'sensitive' and 'diverse'
they are.
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RichA
Here is a blanket statement: If they published the ethnicities of the
latest killers and victims, they would be blacks, just like in the U.S.
London is turning into Chicago because of specific areas where crime
is rampant.
Well, ain't that mighty fine racist of you Richy Rich. You're pulling
stats out of your ass again. The article is neutral and was not at all
focussed on race, hence your attribution is wrong and we should not
believe a word you write.
Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they
sound
racist
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US.
Which has nothing to do with politically correct policies like this that
hamstring law enforcement, aid criminals, and make people less safe, all
so they can congratulate themselves on how 'sensitive' and 'diverse'
they are.
Our local fishwrap (I'm not sure if it originated with them or the cops
or both) adopted this 'no description' policy years and years ago. In
lieu of saying in words what they looked like, they ran the artists'
sketches, which looked like "Billy from Family Circus draws the man who
came through his bedroom window" which was particularly embarrassing
when they colored them in and the crude sketches were just a black ball
with eyes and teeth.
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Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they
sound racist
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US.
Which has nothing to do with politically correct policies like this that
hamstring law enforcement, aid criminals, and make people less safe, all
so they can congratulate themselves on how 'sensitive' and 'diverse'
they are.
Our local fishwrap (I'm not sure if it originated with them or the cops
or both) adopted this 'no description' policy years and years ago.
Here in L.A., we only get descriptions of criminals on the news if
they're white or Asian. You can always tell when the perp is black or
latino because of the lack of a physical description.
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2018-04-05 19:32:49 UTC
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Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they
sound racist
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US.
Which has nothing to do with politically correct policies like this that
hamstring law enforcement, aid criminals, and make people less safe, all
so they can congratulate themselves on how 'sensitive' and 'diverse'
they are.
Our local fishwrap (I'm not sure if it originated with them or the cops
or both) adopted this 'no description' policy years and years ago.
Here in L.A., we only get descriptions of criminals on the news if
they're white or Asian. You can always tell when the perp is black or
latino because of the lack of a physical description.
Yeah, the local fishwrap later went to that. They names whites; I don't
recall them saying Asians, but they will say Vietnamese 'cause we have
gangs here.
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anim8rfsk
BTR1701
Here in L.A., we only get descriptions of criminals on the news if
they're white or Asian. You can always tell when the perp is black
or latino because of the lack of a physical description.
Yeah, the local fishwrap later went to that. They names whites; I don't
recall them saying Asians, but they will say Vietnamese 'cause we have
gangs here.
We’ve got the same politically reporting here in Detroit, where several years
back there was a serial rapist and the media went into all kinda details about
his methods, area of operations, clothes, etc. even pointing out that his car
had a primer painted passenger door, but nowhere was it mentioned that he
was Black.

My city newspaper’s “Crime Watch” section regularly has blurbs along
the lines of; “suspect is described as 6’ tall with a small scar on his right
hand, wearing a side-ways baseball cap, FUBU jacket and Timberline
boots, last seen headed south across 8 Mile Rd.”…
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2018-04-05 20:58:13 UTC
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anim8rfsk
BTR1701
Here in L.A., we only get descriptions of criminals on the news if
they're white or Asian. You can always tell when the perp is black
or latino because of the lack of a physical description.
Yeah, the local fishwrap later went to that. They names whites; I don't
recall them saying Asians, but they will say Vietnamese 'cause we have
gangs here.
We’ve got the same politically reporting here in Detroit, where several years
back there was a serial rapist and the media went into all kinda details about
his methods, area of operations, clothes, etc. even pointing out that his car
had a primer painted passenger door, but nowhere was it mentioned that he
was Black.
My city newspaper’s “Crime Watch” section regularly has blurbs along
the lines of; “suspect is described as 6’ tall with a small scar on his right
hand, wearing a side-ways baseball cap, FUBU jacket and Timberline
boots, last seen headed south across 8 Mile Rd.”

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Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US.
Which has nothing to do with politically correct policies like this that
hamstring law enforcement, aid criminals, and make people less safe, all
so they can congratulate themselves on how 'sensitive' and 'diverse'
they are.
Our local fishwrap (I'm not sure if it originated with them or the cops
or both) adopted this 'no description' policy years and years ago.
Here in L.A., we only get descriptions of criminals on the news if
they're white or Asian. You can always tell when the perp is black or
latino because of the lack of a physical description.
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
According to an internal letter, police in capital city Stockholm are
instructed to refrain from describing suspects' race and nationality,
according to news website Speisa.
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US. Swedish people are on the side of the people and institute
policies reflecting this ideal.
What does that have to do with the description of the suspect?

Nothing of course, as this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting
the community from criminals, it’s part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all
data on race/ethnicity so that opponents can’t point out the failures of their
policies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-immigration-trump-fox-news/
February 25, 2017

What Is the Truth about Crime and Immigration in Sweden?

“To isolate the effect of immigration on crime, we need data on crimes
committed by immigrants. Obtaining this type of data is easy in the United
States or Denmark, but not in Sweden. The last time there was an official
report breaking down crime statistics by immigrant status and origin was in
2005, for the years 1997 to 2001.

These statistics confirmed that immigrants were significantly overrepresented
amongst offenders, in particular in committing violent crimes. The foreign born
were four times more likely to be suspects in homicide cases than those with
Swedish origin, and 4.5 times more likely to be suspects in rape cases.

Since then, Swedish criminologists and politicians have made sure that no
new statistics have been released. Not a single recent research study in
Sweden has attempted to estimate the causal effect of immigration on sexual
assault or homicide rates. Parliament recently defeated a motion to produce
up-to-date crime statistics based on national origin. We simply do not know
what percentage of sexual assaults or homicides were committed by immigrants
last year in Sweden.

The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny the
effect of immigration on crime don’t know these figures, and strikingly don’t
want to know. Americans who are interested in this topic should focus on this
surreal taboo against statistics, not cartoonish exaggerations that falsely
portray Sweden as a war zone.”
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 05:25:48 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
According to an internal letter, police in capital city Stockholm are
instructed to refrain from describing suspects' race and nationality,
according to news website Speisa.
So, have you ever compared the rates of crime in the US compared to
Sweden? Apparently, police are far more effective and less lethal than
in the US. Swedish people are on the side of the people and institute
policies reflecting this ideal.
What does that have to do with the description of the suspect?
Nothing of course, as this has nothing to do with solving crimes or
protecting the community from criminals, it's part of the drive by the
Left to eliminate all data on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point
out the failures of their policies.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/sweden-crime-rates-statistics-imm
igration-trump-fox-news/
Post by Ed Stasiak
February 25, 2017
What Is the Truth about Crime and Immigration in Sweden?
"To isolate the effect of immigration on crime, we need data on crimes
committed by immigrants. Obtaining this type of data is easy in the United
States or Denmark, but not in Sweden. The last time there was an official
report breaking down crime statistics by immigrant status and origin was
in 2005, for the years 1997 to 2001.
These statistics confirmed that immigrants were significantly
overrepresented amongst offenders, in particular in committing violent
crimes. The foreign born were four times more likely to be suspects
in homicide cases than those with Swedish origin, and 4.5 times more
likely to be suspects in rape cases.
Since then, Swedish criminologists and politicians have made sure that no
new statistics have been released. Not a single recent research study in
Sweden has attempted to estimate the causal effect of immigration on
sexual assault or homicide rates. Parliament recently defeated a motion to
produce up-to-date crime statistics based on national origin. We simply do
not know what percentage of sexual assaults or homicides were committed by
immigrants
last year in Sweden.
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny the
effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures, and strikingly
don't want to know. Americans who are interested in this topic should
focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not cartoonish
exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country? It
sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the individual
and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The National Review)
searching for evidence that immigrants are unproprotionately represented
in crime statistics and therefore dangerous and undesirable.

The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations because many of them are
escaping gangs back home or do not want to being enscripted into
military service by a dictator, among many similar reasons.

And again (and regardless of race or national origin), the overall crime
rates are MUCH, MUCH lower in the country of Sweden compared to the US,
so they must be doing something right. Despite the fact that they don't
keep crime stats based on national origin.
BTR1701
2018-04-06 07:26:36 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny the
effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures, and strikingly
don't want to know. Americans who are interested in this topic should
focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not cartoonish
exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country? It
sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the individual
and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The National Review)
searching for evidence that immigrants are unproprotionately represented
in crime statistics.
And if that happens to be true, we're supposed to just ignore it?
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out there
raping for sport.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 16:22:49 UTC
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Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by Ed Stasiak
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny the
effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures, and strikingly
don't want to know. Americans who are interested in this topic should
focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not cartoonish
exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country? It
sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the individual
and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The National Review)
searching for evidence that immigrants are unproprotionately represented
in crime statistics.
And if that happens to be true, we're supposed to just ignore it?
Both Sweden and I don't think you should know it. Kinda like reverse
ignore.
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out there
raping for sport.
That's right. According to statistics and trends, one could easily
assume that there are proportionately a great many more Americans out
there "raping for sport" (like that's a thing, except in the right-wing
vortex of paranoia).
BTR1701
2018-04-06 17:16:32 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by Ed Stasiak
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny
the effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures, and
strikingly don't want to know. Americans who are interested in this
topic should focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not
cartoonish exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country? It
sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the individual
and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The National Review)
searching for evidence that immigrants are unproprotionately represented
in crime statistics.
And if that happens to be true, we're supposed to just ignore it?
Both Sweden and I don't think you should know it.
Yes, 'progressives' do indeed tend to advocate censoring reality when it
doesn't conform to their agenda.

They may be able to get away with that in Sweden, but thankfully, we
have a little something called the 1st Amendment in America, so guys
like you can't dictate what I am and am not allowed to know.
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out there
raping for sport.
That's right. According to statistics and trends, one could easily
assume that there are proportionately a great many more Americans out
there "raping for sport"
Why do you keep trying to bring America's crime rate into this
discussion? It exactly zero to do with the issue of which demographic is
committing most of the crimes in Sweden.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 18:20:40 UTC
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Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by Ed Stasiak
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly deny
the effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures, and
strikingly don't want to know. Americans who are interested in this
topic should focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not
cartoonish exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country? It
sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the individual
and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The National Review)
searching for evidence that immigrants are unproprotionately represented
in crime statistics.
And if that happens to be true, we're supposed to just ignore it?
Both Sweden and I don't think you should know it.
Yes, 'progressives' do indeed tend to advocate censoring reality when it
doesn't conform to their agenda.
They may be able to get away with that in Sweden, but thankfully, we
have a little something called the 1st Amendment in America, so guys
like you can't dictate what I am and am not allowed to know.
I thought you were BTR1701, not Mark Zuckerberg. You apparently also
have little regard for privacy.
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Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out there
raping for sport.
That's right. According to statistics and trends, one could easily
assume that there are proportionately a great many more Americans out
there "raping for sport"
Why do you keep trying to bring America's crime rate into this
discussion? It exactly zero to do with the issue of which demographic is
committing most of the crimes in Sweden.
I keep bringing America's crime rate into this discussion, because you
are comparing a mountain to a molehile. You want to blow up what the
Swedes do into some kind of deep state censorship conspiracy, yet their
police show more respect for others and society as a whole and are
kindly rewarded by much lower crime rates. You're harping on the one
weed in your neighbor's otherwise nice garden while you're garden is in
a shambles.

You again fail to understand demographics. You will most definitely find
that the male age group aged 17-21 is more significantly represented in
crime statistics in every country in the world. It's not specific to
Sweden. That their population of immigrants and asylum-seekers is
relatively young totally explains a higher level of crime. It's not
where you come from, it's whether you're a young dude pumped up on
testosterone or not.
BTR1701
2018-04-06 19:38:56 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by Ed Stasiak
The Swedish criminologists and government officials who adamantly
deny the effect of immigration on crime don't know these figures,
and strikingly don't want to know. Americans who are interested
in this topic should focus on this surreal taboo against statistics, not
cartoonish exaggerations that falsely portray Sweden as a war zone."
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
It sure ain't Sweden. It seems they have greater respect for the
individual and society as a whole than curious right-wingers (The
National Review) searching for evidence that immigrants are
unproprotionately represented in crime statistics.
And if that happens to be true, we're supposed to just ignore it?
Both Sweden and I don't think you should know it.
Yes, 'progressives' do indeed tend to advocate censoring reality when it
doesn't conform to their agenda.
They may be able to get away with that in Sweden, but thankfully, we
have a little something called the 1st Amendment in America, so guys
like you can't dictate what I am and am not allowed to know.
I thought you were BTR1701, not Mark Zuckerberg. You apparently also
have little regard for privacy.
Criminals give up their right to privacy in their physical descriptors
when they commit crimes.
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor, judge or
prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men age 17-21, who
are highly represented in immigrant populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out there
raping for sport.
That's right. According to statistics and trends, one could easily
assume that there are proportionately a great many more Americans out
there "raping for sport"
Why do you keep trying to bring America's crime rate into this
discussion? It exactly zero to do with the issue of which demographic is
committing most of the crimes in Sweden.
You again fail to understand demographics. You will most definitely find
that the male age group aged 17-21 is more significantly represented in
crime statistics in every country in the world.
And yet even *within* the male 17-21 demographic in Sweden there's one
group that commits the vast majority crimes, but we're not allowed to
talk about that because PC orthodoxy forbids it.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 21:10:21 UTC
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Post by Darrel Knutson
I thought you were BTR1701, not Mark Zuckerberg. You apparently also
have little regard for privacy.
Criminals give up their right to privacy in their physical descriptors
when they commit crimes.
But not their race if in Sweden. It's not Canada or the US.
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
The simple reason is AGE. Again, ask any policeman, prosecutor,
judge or prison guard. 90% of violent crimes are committed by
men age 17-21, who are highly represented in immigrant
populations
And yet the native Swedes of that same age and gender aren't out
there raping for sport.
That's right. According to statistics and trends, one could easily
assume that there are proportionately a great many more Americans out
there "raping for sport"
Why do you keep trying to bring America's crime rate into this
discussion? It exactly zero to do with the issue of which demographic is
committing most of the crimes in Sweden.
You again fail to understand demographics. You will most definitely find
that the male age group aged 17-21 is more significantly represented in
crime statistics in every country in the world.
And yet even *within* the male 17-21 demographic in Sweden there's one
group that commits the vast majority crimes, but we're not allowed to
talk about that because PC orthodoxy forbids it.
Totally fucking unsubstatiated. Does you butt hurt from all that
pulling?

Nobody is preventing you from misunderstanding the underlying reasons
for what happens, but I am trying to convince you that you're premise is
biased, racist, wrong-headed and has little to do with discovering the
truth.

You're assuming the worst about something you obviously don't fully
understand. Take corrective action immediately.
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-06 07:40:49 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data on
race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of their
policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn’t “racist”, the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.

There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
moviePig
2018-04-06 13:35:19 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data on
race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of their
policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn’t “racist”, the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to. The question is whether they
outweigh the reasons *to*.
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2018-04-06 16:44:15 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
David Johnston
2018-04-06 16:55:06 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
BTR1701
2018-04-06 17:19:18 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
David Johnston
2018-04-06 17:21:04 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by BTR1701
Post by moviePig
Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality
What's the use of the statistic?
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 18:20:40 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.

By your logic, we should be collecting data on all suspects arrested, in
particular, whether their belly buttons are "innies" or "outies" and if
the authorities don't collect or release this data it's censorship.

It makes no sense at all.
BTR1701
2018-04-06 19:35:23 UTC
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Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.
It is censoring when the government prohibits the collection of data.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 20:33:02 UTC
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Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.
It is censoring when the government prohibits the collection of data.
It most definitely is not censorship.

"How many sex partners have you had in your life?" should not be a
question government officials routinely ask, collect data on and
disseminate to "interested parties", whoever they may be. And I'm sure
that plenty of weirdos would want to know.

Sweden and other European countries have stricter privacy laws than in
the US and again, you really don't know what you're missing in this
regard. ("You'll take my privacy away from me when you can rip it from
my cold, dead hands.")

You wish to determine the national origin of criminal suspects so you
can confirm preconceived notions. That's obviously a racist dick thing
to do.

If, however, you want to collect data on age and gender to make
comparisons of crime rates based on these data points, you may actually
learn what's really going on.

The problem with your "method" or premise is that is is primarily based
on bias, which is a fatal flaw in any rational exploration of the truth.
BTR1701
2018-04-06 22:58:21 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.
It is censoring when the government prohibits the collection of data.
It most definitely is not censorship.
It's literally the definition of censorship.
anim8rfsk
2018-04-07 00:06:44 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.
It is censoring when the government prohibits the collection of data.
It most definitely is not censorship.
It's literally the definition of censorship.
You just decimated Knutson!
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Obveeus
2018-04-07 02:36:18 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Darrel Knutson
Post by BTR1701
Post by David Johnston
But "We don't want to have pogroms" is.
Spin it however you like, Johnston, but the fact is you're advocating
for censoring reality because reality has had the bad form to diverge
from PC orthodoxy. There's no valid justification for that.
It's not censoring if the data is not collected in the first place.
It is censoring when the government prohibits the collection of data.
It most definitely is not censorship.
It's literally the definition of censorship.
You just decimated Knutson!
The government not asking a question isn't in any way censorship. It
would only be censorship if the government refused to allow anyone else
to ask the question. The government hasn't tried to stop TV Networks
from counting illegal aliens or tried to stop them from counting white
supremacists. If it was censorship to simply not ask a question, then
the US Census would turn into a *really* long form.

Meanwhile, if not asking is proof of censorship, can we inquire about
the last couple of decades of the CDC not being allowed to collect data
on gun violence?
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-07 02:52:27 UTC
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Obveeus
Meanwhile, if not asking is proof of censorship, can we inquire about
the last couple of decades of the CDC not being allowed to collect data
on gun violence?
More lies while hiding behind your killfile.

http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/
Kyle Wintersteen
August 27th, 2013

CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama

In the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy, President Obama issued a list of
Executive Orders. Notably among them, the Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) was given $10 million to research gun violence.

As a result, a 1996 Congressional ban on research by the CDC “to advocate
or promote gun control” was lifted.

Ed Stasiak
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BTR1701
Darrel Knutson
It most definitely is not censorship.
It's literally the definition of censorship.
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2018-04-06 18:20:40 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
No one has ever asserted that. It's all in your mind.

There are plenty of valid reasons. Very similar to why the US census
should not be asking about nationality, when it's the number of people
(not just 3/5 for slaves [since corrected] and citizens, but also
foreigners) that determine how many representatives each state gets. The
question has nothing to do with the original purpose and everything to
do with driving division and putting people into nicely racist
categories for targeted derision and oppression.

The Swedes don't do this. Boo hoo.
moviePig
2018-04-06 18:21:58 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.

It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
Yeah, because giving accurate descriptions of at-large criminals isn't
as useful as assuaging the feelz of groups that are committing the
majority of those crimes.
moviePig
2018-04-06 20:07:18 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
Yeah, because giving accurate descriptions of at-large criminals isn't
as useful as assuaging the feelz of groups that are committing the
majority of those crimes.
As I said above (but you deleted), the question is whether the reasons
to omit such data outweigh the reasons to provide it. For now, I'll
suppose that the Swedish police aren't finding their manhunts materially
hobbled.

Note, though, it's not the 'feelings of criminal groups' that are of
most concern here, imo. Rather, it's the reinforcement of existing,
self-perpetuating prejudices -- because, e.g., "black suspect" rings
louder than "white suspect", if indeed the latter registers at all.
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2018-04-06 20:24:32 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
Yeah, because giving accurate descriptions of at-large criminals isn't
as useful as assuaging the feelz of groups that are committing the
majority of those crimes.
As I said above (but you deleted), the question is whether the reasons
to omit such data outweigh the reasons to provide it. For now, I'll
suppose that the Swedish police aren't finding their manhunts materially
hobbled.
Note, though, it's not the 'feelings of criminal groups' that are of
most concern here, imo. Rather, it's the reinforcement of existing,
self-perpetuating prejudices -- because, e.g., "black suspect" rings
louder than "white suspect", if indeed the latter registers at all.
Rotherham, England
moviePig
2018-04-06 21:03:27 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all data
on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures of
their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
There may be reasons, but not valid ones. "We don't want to be called
'racist' by minorities when it's revealed that the majority of crimes
are committed by their demographic" is not a valid reason.
Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
Yeah, because giving accurate descriptions of at-large criminals isn't
as useful as assuaging the feelz of groups that are committing the
majority of those crimes.
As I said above (but you deleted), the question is whether the reasons
to omit such data outweigh the reasons to provide it. For now, I'll
suppose that the Swedish police aren't finding their manhunts materially
hobbled.
Note, though, it's not the 'feelings of criminal groups' that are of
most concern here, imo. Rather, it's the reinforcement of existing,
self-perpetuating prejudices -- because, e.g., "black suspect" rings
louder than "white suspect", if indeed the latter registers at all.
Rotherham, England
Okay, I skimmed the wiki precis, where I learned that 20 organized
child-molesters were "predominantly British-Pakistani men" and that
somebody claimed reluctance to finger them for fear of appearing racist.
I don't know if that's what you're pointing me to, or, if it is, that
it extrapolates usefully to Swedish police policy.
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2018-04-06 21:10:21 UTC
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Rotherham, England
Likely another cryptic dog whistle. I ain't biting.

And I bet you can't wait to tell us all about it. Save the keystrokes.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 20:33:02 UTC
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It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
Yeah, because giving accurate descriptions of at-large criminals isn't
as useful as assuaging the feelz of groups that are committing the
majority of those crimes.
If a Johan Schmidt or a Mehmet Muhammed gets arrested, his name appears
as "Johan S." or "Mehmet M." in the newspapers here in Germany.

Andere Länder, andere Sitten. (Which roughly translates as "Customs are
different in other countries".)

It's not because airy fairy libruls make it so immigrants,
asylum-seekers and resident aliens won't be insulted or singled out,
it's because of the privacy laws in the country, which you fail to
understand, because those of you in Canada and the US don't enjoy quite
a few of these protections. *You really don't know what you're missing.*

It's men ages 17-21 that by far commit the most violent crimes, which
has nothing to do with race or immigration status. Yet you presuppose
the wrong fucking metric, one that is racist in character.

I'm not buying it.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 19:35:47 UTC
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Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
A rarity here. A reasoned and logical argument and I learned something
too.

Kudos to you, my fine moviePig!
moviePig
2018-04-06 19:46:27 UTC
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Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
A rarity here. A reasoned and logical argument and I learned something
too.
Kudos to you, my fine moviePig!
(Never met a kudo I didn't like!) Yeah, the Shockley thing seems one of
the very few instances where science simply shouldn't open the box.
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2018-04-06 20:23:43 UTC
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Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
A rarity here. A reasoned and logical argument and I learned something
too.
Kudos to you, my fine moviePig!
(Never met a kudo I didn't like!) Yeah, the Shockley thing seems one of
the very few instances where science simply shouldn't open the box.
Of all the things to wish science could put back in the box, *that's*
the one you choose?

VX nerve gas, thermonuclear warheads, that all takes a back seat to real
evil of noting differences between people of different races.
moviePig
2018-04-06 21:09:36 UTC
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Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
A rarity here. A reasoned and logical argument and I learned something
too.
Kudos to you, my fine moviePig!
(Never met a kudo I didn't like!) Yeah, the Shockley thing seems one of
the very few instances where science simply shouldn't open the box.
Of all the things to wish science could put back in the box, *that's*
the one you choose?
VX nerve gas, thermonuclear warheads, that all takes a back seat to real
evil of noting differences between people of different races.
The box in question isn't Pandora's, but Schrodinger's cat's.

Shockley wasn't identifying, say, sickle-cell traits. He was performing
"quality"-analysis on people. Sure, you can do it, but you just don't.
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Of all the things to wish science could put back in the box, *that's*
the one you choose?
VX nerve gas, thermonuclear warheads, that all takes a back seat to real
evil of noting differences between people of different races.
There you go again, deflecting and taking things to the extreme.

He didn't choose to put anything back in a box, he was using a very
good, right-on-topic example that illustrates you are sadly mistaken in
your assertions (obvious racial bias).

There is no back seat here and you are plainly in the wrong.

Live with it or take corrective action.
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Not wanting to encourage racist sentiments is certainly valid
*reasoning*, even if you personally discount the damage it avoids.
It's like when William Shockley chose to determine and publish the
average IQ of each of the races. That there'd be a difference was
obvious (if only because two real measurements never coincide). That
the respective IQ- ranges would largely overlap was equally obvious (to
any honest observer). It was an irresponsible investigation, whose data
was foreseeably far more damaging than useful. Faced with a similar
call, the Swedish police here seem to be trying the other path.
A rarity here. A reasoned and logical argument and I learned something
too.
Kudos to you, my fine moviePig!
(Never met a kudo I didn't like!) Yeah, the Shockley thing seems one of
the very few instances where science simply shouldn't open the box.
Yep, real progress is based on unbiased research and should always avoid
repeating mistakes made in the past. The rejection of bias is essential
to the process, particularly when pointed out by outside observers.

Rich thinks we're insulting him when we point out his faulty assertions
or demand substatiation, yet we are simply trying to inform him and
remain on solid ground.

One of the first things I learned as a teacher: Don't criticise the
person, criticise the behavior. Which I am finding difficult to do
considering the frequency and extent of the bad behavior he
demonstrates.
Ed Stasiak
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
Here you go;

Reasons Not To: ______
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Ed Stasiak
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
Here you go;
Reasons Not To: ______
Is the statistic useful for any purpose other than justifying oppression?
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Ed Stasiak
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
Of course there are valid reasons not to.
Here you go;
Reasons Not To: ______
Is the statistic useful for any purpose other than justifying oppression?
I can imagine a world in which Bernie Sanders won the presidential
election and then tried to add the exact same question to the
census...and then Republicans would be throwing a fit and demanding that
the question not be included on the census out of fear that it would
lead to increased federal handouts to local municipalities that were
trying to cope with larger illegal populations.
Darrel Knutson
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Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all
data on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures
of their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
No, compiling statistics is not racist, unless you are specifically
collecting data on race to prove a notion you already have. That appears
to be the case here.
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
In the most Western justice systems suspects and the accused are not
criminals. Criminals are those accused and convicted by a court of law
and are in jail or prison.

No valid reason? I'm sure there are millions of Swedes who's disagree
with you and give you plenty of valid reasons. They choose to be
different. Live with it.

The privacy laws are much better here in Europe. You don't know what
you're missing.
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Ed Stasiak
this has nothing to do with solving crimes or protecting the community
from criminals, it's part of the drive by the Left to eliminate all
data on race/ethnicity so that opponents can't point out the failures
of their policies.
Now, who's breaking down people into groups and dividing the country?
Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
No, compiling statistics is not racist, unless you are specifically
collecting data on race to prove a notion you already have.
Or purposely prohibiting the collection of data out of fear it will
prove what you don't like.
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There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
No valid reason? I'm sure there are millions of Swedes who's disagree
with you
Well, it's certainly interesting that 'progressives' insist on tracking
absolutely everything by race, until that data reveals some
uncomfortable truths, then it's suddenly off limits and 'there's no need
to know anything about race here'.
Ed Stasiak
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Compiling statistics isn't "racist", the more we know about a problem
the better we can address it.
No, compiling statistics is not racist, unless you are specifically
collecting data on race to prove a notion you already have.
Ethnicity is just one metric and there’s no reason not to include it
with all the rest.
That appears to be the case here.
The only racism being displayed is coming from you (and Sweden).
There is no valid reason NOT to compile stats on the ethnicity as well
as other details of criminals.
In the most Western justice systems suspects and the accused are not
criminals. Criminals are those accused and convicted by a court of law
and are in jail or prison.
Compiling statistics ≠ conviction for a crime and its pretty racist of you
to claim otherwise.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43624392
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43628494
So the BBC has disputed its own story? Interesting! Where were the
disputers when the original story was being considered for publication?
In other words, why didn't they "head if off at the pass"?
Strangely -- but probably not surprisingly -- when I went
to Rich's link above, it's not about the crime rate, but about
a specific knife attack! I couldn't find any comparison of
London/New York murder rates.
The Reality Check article OTOH says the comparison was by the
Sunday Times. I don't recall actually seeing any BBC article
making the statement claimed by Rich, and I do read its stream
on a daily basis.
It wouldn't be unusual for Rich to extrapolate from a single incident to
make some global claim that is usually ridiculous when you look at
beyond a single glance. For instance if one Muslim beheads a non-Muslim
anywhere in the world - even just on TV - it would be like Rich to claim
that all Muslims everywhere want nothing but to behead every infidel in
the entire world.
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant, unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.

Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers. Here
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers.
Mine you he's also actually insane.

Here
Post by RichA
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
b***@gmail.com
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers.
Mine you he's also actually insane.
Here
Post by RichA
Rich thinks he has powers,
I bet most conservatives feel that way about themselves.
RichA
2018-04-05 23:36:12 UTC
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers. Here
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting? Forget the odd white nutjob spree killer, 8000 people dead last year, 40,000 shot, 90% or so if not MORE due to black and Latino GANG violence.
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers. Here
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting? Forget the odd white nutjob spree killer, 8000 people dead last year, 40,000 shot, 90% or so if not MORE due to black and Latino GANG violence.
90% ?
Source ?
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Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting? Forget the odd white
nutjob spree killer, 8000 people dead last year, 40,000 shot, 90% or so
if not MORE due to black and Latino GANG violence.

Regardless of race, most of the shooting is done by men ages 17-21.

And boy, aren't you full of useful suggestions and potential solutions!

I suggest you contact your local officials, your US representative and 2
US senators instead of bitching on Usenet. It's obvious we need more gun
control in the country. Just compare to the rest of the world to see how
abnormal the situation is.

"I've been told that"* people who aren't part of the solution are part
of the problem.

* Usually the "dog whistle" meaning Fox News, not in this case.
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Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting?  Forget the odd white
nutjob spree killer, 8000 people dead last year, 40,000 shot, 90% or so
if not MORE due to black and Latino GANG violence.
Regardless of race, most of the shooting is done by Black men ages 17-21.
FTFY

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for
52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and
"Other" 2.2%.

The offending rate for African Americans was almost 8 times higher than
whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher.

In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:
Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers. Here
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting?
Somebody that doesn't put words in ALL CAPS?
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They were probably ordered by their government masters to STFU because the
dramatic increase in violent crime (in NO small part because of rampant,
unchecked immigration) makes the Tories look bad.
Boy howdy, do statements like these remind of the first season of
Legion, only just the opposite. In Legion, a guy hears voices in his
head and thinks he's insane, but he actually has special powers. Here
Rich thinks he has powers, but...
Who do you THINK is doing most of the shooting? Forget the odd white nutjob spree killer, 8000 people dead last year, 40,000 shot, 90% or so if not MORE due to black and Latino GANG violence.
How did you determine the percentage of people who are shot in domestic
disputes?
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I assume his original point was to show the failure of a large city in
Europe compared to a large city in the USA, implying that policy in all
of Europe is wrong.

Unfortunately, he's comparing apples to apples. There are strict gun
laws in both cities and New York should be praised for lowering its
murder rate.

Without being aware of it, it's actually stricter gun laws he's
promoting!
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-04 04:09:15 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be praised
for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC’s “Sullivan Act”
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC’s crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
RichA
2018-04-04 04:23:12 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be praised
for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC’s “Sullivan Act”
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC’s crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani who crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's murder rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground for THUGS.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-04 06:21:41 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be praised
for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani who
crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's murder
rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground for
THUGS.

Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.

You also seem to be unaware of societal trends and sociology.

If you follow the trends over time and compare them to other cities and
the same thing is happening everywhere, then Giuliani does not deserve
all of the credit or even most of it. At most only a very little bit.

Your mistake is misattributing a general societal change to the actions
of one politician. There is some truth there, but when applied generally
this a fallacy.

Another tip: Extreme views with zero substantiation do not make people
think you are very intelligent. Quite the opposite.
BTR1701
2018-04-04 14:29:13 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be
praised for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani
who crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's
murder rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground
for THUGS.
Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
What exactly was racist about that statement? Rich commented on the
crime rate and the dangers in Central Park and didn't single out any
particular group or race as the perpetrators.

This seems to be another case of your imagination filling in the blanks
with minorities, then you blaming someone else for the racist results of
your own mind.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-04-04 16:47:43 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be
praised for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani
who crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's
murder rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground
for THUGS.
Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
What exactly was racist about that statement? Rich commented on the
crime rate and the dangers in Central Park and didn't single out any
particular group or race as the perpetrators.
This seems to be another case of your imagination filling in the blanks
with minorities, then you blaming someone else for the racist results of
your own mind.
As a linty seamussock, Darrel takes "the scum element" as a personal
insult. Mitigating against scum is a serious matter that only the
correctly formulated laundry detergent can handle.

Darrel and the other sockpuppets are filthy laundry in a forgotten pile,
or in couch cushions or behind the dryer. No one darns their holes. They
are only a thread or a broken stitch away from complete disintegration.

It's a hard way to live an entirely unloved existence. Please have
sympathy.
BTR1701
2018-04-05 02:20:33 UTC
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There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani
who crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's
murder rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground
for THUGS.
Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
What exactly was racist about that statement? Rich commented on the
crime rate and the dangers in Central Park and didn't single out any
particular group or race as the perpetrators.
This seems to be another case of your imagination filling in the blanks
with minorities, then you blaming someone else for the racist results of
your own mind.
As a linty seamussock, Darrel takes "the scum element" as a personal
insult. Mitigating against scum is a serious matter that only the
correctly formulated laundry detergent can handle.
Heh.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-05 10:52:22 UTC
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As a linty seamussock, Darrel takes "the scum element" as a personal
insult. Mitigating against scum is a serious matter that only the
correctly formulated laundry detergent can handle.
Heh.
You guys are overly judgemental. Unable to properly defend your
assertions, you resort to insults when logic fails you.
trotsky
2018-04-05 11:00:38 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be
praised for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani
who crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's
murder rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground
for THUGS.
Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
What exactly was racist about that statement?
OMG, I can't stop laughing.
RichA
2018-04-05 23:34:32 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be praised
for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
There should be a 100ft bronze statue in New York to Rudolph Giuliani who
crushed the scum element which at times had pushed New York's murder
rate to 1000/year and turned Central Park into a hunting ground for
THUGS.
Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
I'm just glad it's not 1975 when LIBERALS ran things and the murder rate was around 1000/year.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 09:05:46 UTC
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Boy, are you racist. It's 2018, not 1918.
I'm just glad it's not 1975 when LIBERALS ran things and the murder rate
was around 1000/year.

Your unwillingness to listen and learn is detrimental to yourself and
others. Apparently, you have little to no understanding of demographics
and social change.

Making wild assertions without substantiation makes you look like a
fool.
Darrel Knutson
2018-04-04 06:21:41 UTC
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Darrel Knutson
There are strict gun laws in both cities and New York should be praised
for lowering its murder rate.
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
It has lots to do with gun control, but more with demographic change.
Look at the numbers of gun crimes and deaths in NYC over a 5 or 10-year
period and compare to any other top 25 city in the USA. The trends are
unmistakeable. So, what explains why NYC has so many fewer gun-related
crimes and deaths than elsewhere?
Ed Stasiak
2018-04-04 15:50:59 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Which has nothing to do with gun control, seeing as NYC's "Sullivan Act"
was passed way back in 1911, yet NYC's crime rate has fluctuated up and
down over the years regardless.
It has lots to do with gun control, but more with demographic change.
It has nothing to do with “gun control” as the laws were in place for decades,
yet the crime rate went up and down anyways.

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Look at the numbers of gun crimes and deaths in NYC over a 5 or 10-year
period and compare to any other top 25 city in the USA.
Why not compare the murder rates in the _same_ metropolitan area, such
as metro Detroit?

Both the city and surrounding suburbs are subject to the same gun laws and
have the same access to firearms and have the same population density yet
the city of Detroit, which makes up roughly 7% of the state's population,
accounts for almost 60% of the murders in Michigan.

If guns were the problem, then why aren't murder rates more or less equal
throughout Michigan?

http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/michigan/detroit.html#.U7XDeRwU66Y

"The city violent crime rate for Detroit in 2010 was higher than the
national violent crime rate average by 367.58% and the city property
crime rate in Detroit was higher than the national property crime rate
average by 80.6%.

In 2010 the city violent crime rate in Detroit was higher than the violent
crime rate in Michigan by 284.94% and the city property crime rate in
Detroit was higher than the property crime rate in Michigan by 95.79%."
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2018-04-03 19:18:47 UTC
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St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit and New Orleans all have worse murder rates than New York City.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Shadow
2018-04-05 22:18:47 UTC
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Looking at 2017, the homicide rate per 100,000 population stood at 1.2
in London and 3.4 in New York.

From the BBC:

//Claim: London has overtaken New York for murders for the first time
in modern history after a surge in knife crime across the capital.

Verdict: A selective use of statistics from the start of 2018 appears
to bear this out - but the reality is that New York still appears to
be more violent than London.//

IOW, #FAKENEWS.

New York had more murders so far than London in 2018. A freak spike in
numbers and the idiots post. Thank you RichA the Canadian welfare
freak for proving my point.
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Darrel Knutson
2018-04-06 09:05:46 UTC
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New York had more murders so far than London in 2018. A freak spike in
numbers and the idiots post. Thank you RichA the Canadian welfare
freak for proving my point.
I heard on PBS that there have been 7 murders in London so far this
year. Quite a sound statistical basis for wild assertions, no?

Richie Rich extrapolates to extremes and has an "opposite take", usually
contradicted by the article itself, on virtually every news story he
posts.

If he reads a story about the birth of Siamese kittens, say in Dublin,
that's proof enough for him that immigrants from Siam are streaming into
the country to sponge off others by going on "the dole".
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