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Variety.com Review: "Star Trek: Discovery"
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2017-09-25 05:33:24 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ...

TV Review: 'Star Trek: Discovery' on CBS and CBS All Access
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When Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) first meets Captain
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs), his room is dimly lit. He mutters
something about an eye condition requiring low light, but, as
with most of his statements, there appears to be information
the captain is deliberately refusing to share.

Lorca's lair is far from the only interior on "Star Trek:
Discovery" that is shadowy. As Burnham frequently negotiates
dark corridors and murky settings, one thing becomes clear:
"Discovery" is trying, with some success, to convey that this
is not your father's "Star Trek."

It might be your mother's, if she is a fan of "Star Trek: Deep
Space Nine," which is widely considered to be the best of the
"Trek" TV efforts. (To forestall nerd debates, yes, each
Federation series has its merits, but "Deep Space Nine" and
"The Next Generation" top most critics' lists.)

The later seasons of "Deep Space Nine" depicted an array of
conflicted characters - led by Benjamin Sisko, an
African-American captain played by Avery Brooks - fighting a
grinding, complicated war that sapped their energy and
challenged their ethics even as it strengthened their bonds of
friendship and love. It was serialized - a rarity back then for
any drama, let alone a "Trek" series - and it grew more and
more character-oriented over time. At first glance, "Discovery"
appears to be paying some homage to the spirit of "DS9":
Ongoing story arcs are woven through the first three episodes
(and clearly will continue beyond those hours), and its
resourceful protagonist has as many challenges in front of her
as Sisko often did.

Of course, "Discovery" has yet to prove itself a worthy
successor to "The Next Generation," "Deep Space Nine" or
"Battlestar Galactica" (where several "DS9" writers ended up
after that "Trek" series ended). But there are reasons to hope
that "Discovery" will be promising addition to the "Trek" canon.
If it capitalizes on the conflicts at its core, and if it
embraces the ambiguity and complexity baked into its DNA,
"Discovery" could provide viewers with the kind of
character-driven, space-set sci-fi narrative that has long been
missing from the television scene. It's early days yet, and the
CBS All Access drama, which contains some wobbly elements, may
let lapse into the usual array of alien-of-the-week formulas,
but this voyage has potential.

The first three hours of "Star Trek: Discovery" provide
serviceable space opera and reasonably exciting interstellar
battles. And as a whole, the drama takes the optimism at the
core of Gene Roddenberry's vision and, in the tradition of the
best of the "Star Trek" canon, uses it to examine the choices
of well-intentioned characters faced with compromises, mysteries,
alien cultures and moral dilemmas. "Discovery" may be set in a
time of war, but it is not uniformly grim; there are some welcome
comedic touches that hit the mark without detracting from the
drama's generally earnest approach.

It's worth noting that there's also a fair bit of the original
"Star Trek" woven into "Discovery's" premise, given that it's set
about a decade before the events of that program. Even the
communicators look like the flip devices of old. But there's one
detail that unites all the "Trek" series, including this one:
There are always Jefferies tubes.

"Discovery" had a difficult gestation process, and so there are a
number of narrative hiccups, likely resulting from the departure
of original showrunner Bryan Fuller while Season One was still
being mapped out. A few plot points and character arcs don't quite
track, and some aspects of the show haven't gelled yet. The
Klingons, who are dangerous enemies in this world, are very
elaborately garbed and their scenes are often ponderous and too
slow (the actors give their level best, but they labor under
imposing facial prosthetics that make their expressions hard to
read). Another complaint: The new Federation uniforms are terrible.
Why give these capable officers panels of disco-friendly gold cloth
on their hips?

But relatively speaking, these are Tribbles - er, I mean, quibbles.
The core mission of "Discovery" is to make viewers care about
Burnham, and it succeeds in that regard. Martin-Green is
charismatic and quietly forceful in the lead role, and her
character is an outsider in many ways, which gives "Discovery's"
writers a lot of interesting psychological territory to explore.
Her professional relationships in the present and her personal
bonds from the past are mostly fraught and complicated, and
"Discovery's" handling of those aspects of her story may well
determine whether it becomes must-see viewing or not. The capable
cast around Martin-Green - which includes Doug Jones, Isaacs,
Anthony Rapp and Mary Wisemen - all make fine first impressions.

Though her parents were human, after their deaths during her
childhood, Burnham was raised by Spock's family on Vulcan. Though
she's energetic and steadfast, she's not quite as comfortable in
the Federation or even among humans as some of her fellow crew
members. It remains to be seen whether her African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.

We don't at the moment, and that's just one reason why it's a real
joy to see an African-American woman and a woman of Asian descent
(Michelle Yeoh's Captain Philippa Georgiou) charging through the
universe - leading, strategizing and kicking ass when necessary.
Though "Discovery" has a number of patches of leaden exposition,
the mentoring relationship between the two women is nicely
sketched out by Yeoh and Martin-Green.

But it's the moral murk that Burnham must wade through that gives
"Discovery" its tantalizing possibilities. Once the set-up is out
of the way - and that takes most of the first three episodes - it
will be interesting to see whether new showrunners Gretchen J.
Berg and Aaron Harberts will be able to capably capitalize on the
ethical and personal dilemmas inserted into the premise during
Fuller's tenure (his name is among those getting story or script
credits in the first two hours).

If "Discovery" builds on the best parts of its opening hours,
Burnham will continue to be thrown into situations that have no
easy answers and will be given missions that will bring about
challenging consequences. It also remains to be seen whether
"Discovery" will drive subscriptions to CBS All Access, where
episodes will arrive weekly. (The hourlong premiere airs on CBS
Sunday; that episode and the second installment hit CBS All Access
Sunday night, and "Discovery" outings arrive on the subscription
service weekly thereafter.)

"Trek" has been off the air for a while, and the strategy of
reviving the TV franchise via CBS All Access is not without risk.
And within the world of the show, the Klingons' philosophy is dark
- a new leader rises whose philosophy could be summed up as "Make
Kronos Great Again." But the tenacious drive that Martin-Green
brings to her character's quest to prove herself means no one
should count out the Federation just yet.

<http://variety.com/2017/tv/reviews/star-trek-discovery-cbs-all-access-review-sonequa-martin-green-1202569322/>
Robin Miller
2017-09-25 06:05:04 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ...
TV Review: 'Star Trek: Discovery' on CBS and CBS All Access
-----------------------------------------------------------
When Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) first meets Captain
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs), his room is dimly lit. He mutters
something about an eye condition requiring low light, but, as
with most of his statements, there appears to be information
the captain is deliberately refusing to share.
Discovery" that is shadowy. As Burnham frequently negotiates
"Discovery" is trying, with some success, to convey that this
is not your father's "Star Trek."
It might be your mother's, if she is a fan of "Star Trek: Deep
Space Nine," which is widely considered to be the best of the
"Trek" TV efforts. (To forestall nerd debates, yes, each
Federation series has its merits, but "Deep Space Nine" and
"The Next Generation" top most critics' lists.)
The later seasons of "Deep Space Nine" depicted an array of
conflicted characters - led by Benjamin Sisko, an
African-American captain played by Avery Brooks
Odd that Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially, shortly after DS9
concluded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks

According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.

--Robin
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2017-09-25 06:29:14 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ...
TV Review: 'Star Trek: Discovery' on CBS and CBS All Access
-----------------------------------------------------------
When Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) first meets Captain
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs), his room is dimly lit. He mutters
something about an eye condition requiring low light, but, as
with most of his statements, there appears to be information
the captain is deliberately refusing to share.
Discovery" that is shadowy. As Burnham frequently negotiates
"Discovery" is trying, with some success, to convey that this
is not your father's "Star Trek."
It might be your mother's, if she is a fan of "Star Trek: Deep
Space Nine," which is widely considered to be the best of the
"Trek" TV efforts.
Not by anyone in this or any adjacent reality.

(To forestall nerd debates, yes, each
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Federation series has its merits,
Voyager doesn't. And Enterprise isn't a Federation series.

but "Deep Space Nine" and
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"The Next Generation" top most critics' lists.)
Only if you're just making shit up.
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The later seasons of "Deep Space Nine" depicted an array of
conflicted characters - led by Benjamin Sisko, an
African-American captain played by Avery Brooks
They don't use stupid hyphenated terms like that by Sisko's time.
Post by Robin Miller
Odd that Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially, shortly after DS9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
--Robin
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
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Adam H. Kerman
2017-09-25 15:16:00 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Ian J. Ball
2017-09-25 16:06:56 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and that I
wish had stuck around... :| ;p
--
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of "kill"?" - M-OC, "A Perilous Rescue" (ep. #2.9), LSW:TFA (08-10-2017)
Adam H. Kerman
2017-09-25 16:22:25 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and that I
wish had stuck around... :| ;p
That's mean, Ian.
anim8rfsk
2017-09-25 16:54:42 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and that I
wish had stuck around... :| ;p
That's mean, Ian.
PKB
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Adam H. Kerman
2017-09-25 17:16:01 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and that I
wish had stuck around... :| ;p
That's mean, Ian.
PKB
I don't want people I like to be miserable.
anim8rfsk
2017-09-25 18:16:11 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and that I
wish had stuck around... :| ;p
That's mean, Ian.
PKB
I don't want people I like to be miserable.
So you'd rather Ian was miserable??

Oh. Yeah. That works.

Got it.
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2017-09-25 19:27:44 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than
appearing in a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind
of an odd duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner
documentary was fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of
show business and lead happy fulfilling lives.
Funny - that irritates me no end, when it's an actor I like and
that I wish had stuck around... :| ;p
That's mean, Ian.
And stupid, and childish, and borderline narcissitic.
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anim8rfsk
2017-09-25 16:54:22 UTC
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. . . Odd that [Avery] Brooks stopped acting, at least commercially,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avery_Brooks
According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
I'm always pleased to hear that people manage to get out of show business
and lead happy fulfilling lives.
heh
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A Friend
2017-09-26 03:54:55 UTC
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Brooks directs and teaches and works on his music. He's kind of an odd
duck, nothing like Hawk or Sisko. The Shatner documentary was
fascinating.
If you haven't yet, take a look at The Shat's documentary, CHAOS ON THE
BRIDGE, about the origins of TNG. I know he didn't do this docko all
by himself, but The Shat turns out to be one hell of a fine journalist.
For instance, he knew exactly when to break out of his observer role --
and he did it just once, during his interview with Frakes, and it was
brilliant.
Lance Corporal Hammer Schultz
2017-09-25 22:51:53 UTC
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According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Did you watch that? He seemed completely bonkers. I mean the guy
couldn't string together a single cohesive sentence.
--
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BTR1701
2017-09-26 07:35:33 UTC
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According to this, his last credit was in 2001, other than appearing in
a 2011 documentary by Bill Shatner.
Did you watch that? He seemed completely bonkers. I mean the guy
couldn't string together a single cohesive sentence.
He always was nutty. If he isn't reading lines prepared for him by other
people, he's mostly unintelligible.
Pete
2017-09-25 06:28:31 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ... <snipped...>
Yeah, I read that. Seemed fairly balanced, if a bit more favourable
than I feel.

I also read the Hollywood Reporter review:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/star-trek-discovery-review-1042428

It corresponded a bit more closely to my reaction, though it still
gave it a fair benefit of doubt. A couple of snippets that caught
my eye:

"If you're the sort of person who likes sweaty close-ups of
people barking threatening slogans in slow, over-enunciated Klingon,
the pilot has you covered."

Indeed... (:-/) Afraid I'm not that sort of person.

"As big as the first two episodes are, though, I've seen the third
episode as well and it isn't nearly that expansive or handsome.
[....] The special effects in the first two episodes were worthy
of praise; the effects in the third barely worthy of comment."

Hmmm. That removes one of the few attractions it might have for me.

"The third episode introduces the shiny-and-new USS Discovery,
as well as Jason Isaacs' Capt. Lorca, a character introduced with
enough uncertain motives and questionable intentions that I just
took his soft-but-waving Southern accent as another thing that may
or may not be a red herring or a bluff. Almost incapable of giving
an uninteresting performance, Isaacs is playing another character
whose basic instincts are different enough from what drives Burnham
that the dynamic between them is another instant asset."

This sounds a bit more interesting. Pity we got no hint of that
in the first ep...! I've liked Isaacs in everything I've seen him in,
but that in itself would not be enough to get me watching.

Be interesting to track its fortunes.

-- Pete --
Obveeus
2017-09-25 12:53:50 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ... <snipped...>
Yeah, I read that. Seemed fairly balanced, if a bit more favourable
than I feel.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/star-trek-discovery-review-1042428
It corresponded a bit more closely to my reaction, though it still
gave it a fair benefit of doubt. A couple of snippets that caught
"If you're the sort of person who likes sweaty close-ups of
people barking threatening slogans in slow, over-enunciated Klingon,
the pilot has you covered."
It is a religious sect. As such, they either have to talk in slow,
overenunciated (commanding) voices or they have to talk really fast so
that they can sneak stuff by the listener.
Post by Pete
Indeed... (:-/) Afraid I'm not that sort of person.
"As big as the first two episodes are, though, I've seen the third
episode as well and it isn't nearly that expansive or handsome.
[....] The special effects in the first two episodes were worthy
of praise; the effects in the third barely worthy of comment."
Hmmm. That removes one of the few attractions it might have for me.
"The third episode introduces the shiny-and-new USS Discovery,
as well as Jason Isaacs' Capt. Lorca,
I was really disappointed not to see any of Jason Isaacs beyond promo
snippets. He is the kind of actor that can carry a show and the pilot
would have benefitted from his presense...even if it was just something
like him being shown as the guy on other end of the Starfleet phone line.
Post by Pete
Be interesting to track its fortunes.
Since it is streaming, we probably won't here about anything until CBS
offers up a quarterly stock report regarding new subscribers to the
streaming service...or maybe even farther out when we here if Canada's
SPACE or Netflix come back wanting more episodes...and at what cost.
Right now, Netflix is enamored with the show (enough that they even
offer up the episodes with klingon subtitles), but when season #2 rolls
around they might be demanding US distribution rights or a 50% reduction
in international streaming rights, or etc...
RichA
2017-09-25 07:02:46 UTC
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Proggy review. Ask the predominantly MALE action-oriented audience if having a black women or Chinese woman in command is important.
Breezy Eason
2017-09-25 13:19:36 UTC
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Proggy review. Ask the predominantly MALE action-oriented audience if having a black women or Chinese woman in command is important.
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BTR1701
2017-09-26 07:33:16 UTC
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Proggy review. Ask the predominantly MALE action-oriented audience if
having a black women or Chinese woman in command is important.
It's not important, but I wasn't outraged by it, as I'm sure you were.
b***@gmail.com
2017-09-26 13:33:52 UTC
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Proggy review. Ask the predominantly MALE action-oriented audience if
having a black women or Chinese woman in command is important.
The actress performing as captain of the Shenzhou's name is Michelle Yeoh and she is Malaysian. Not Chinese.
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
2017-09-25 12:59:46 UTC
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I watched the pilot episode last night. I thought it stank.

I think they're making some basic mistakes. They have the Klingons
talking at about 20 words per minute. That got old very fast. The
XO mutinies and assaults the Captain as a part of the mutiny, but
that doesn't seem to be that big a deal on the ship. Of course it
looks like a lot of what had been established as preceeding ST:TOS
seems to be cast away in this episode, probably because it's
inconvenient for the writers.

Make-up, costumes and CGI SFX seem to be what the pilot was about.
- From the review given from Variety I see that the real "pilot" for
the series is three episodes long. Essentially, what they did on
CBS last night would only go up to the first commercial, if it were
a one hour premier. Maybe they don't get the idea of a hook to get
the viewers interested. Maybe they actually think they've supplied
one or more.

Anyway, the first, and free to watch, episode of "Star Trek:
Discovery" did not motivate me to subscribe to CBS All Access.
Maybe it was a poor debut episode (or fragment of an episode) or
maybe the debut hour exactly shows what they are going to do for
this limited run on-line series. Right now I do not think that I'm
missing anything by not subscribing to it.



Adamastor Glace Mortimer
BTR1701
2017-09-26 07:32:36 UTC
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The XO mutinies and assaults the Captain as a part of the mutiny,
but that doesn't seem to be that big a deal on the ship.
What? She got thrown in the brig and then sentenced to life in prison
for it. How much more seriously do you think it should have been
portrayed?
Adamastor Glace Mortimer
2017-09-27 21:38:33 UTC
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The XO mutinies and assaults the Captain as a part of the mutiny,
but that doesn't seem to be that big a deal on the ship.
What? She got thrown in the brig and then sentenced to life in prison
for it. How much more seriously do you think it should have been
portrayed?
The rest of the series is not going to take place in prison. She's
going to be a star of the series. So the mutiny is not going to be
a big deal going forward.

It's not like that sort of disconnect from how people work in
reality is new here, however. on TNG we had Data taking over the
ship several times. On Voyager we had Tom Paris taken out of
prison, put on a ship and eventually promoted to Lieutenant, and
then busted down from that, and then promoted back to Lieutenant in
a later episode. Meanwhile, also on Voyager, Harry Kim, who has
never been in trouble, starts and ends the series as an Ensign!
Harry Kim must be on the same career arc as Picard who doesn't get
promoted out of Captain, and is always answering to various levels
of Admirals who are younger than he he, sometimes much younger than
he is.

Anyway, "Star Trek: Discovery" still stank, IMO.

Adamastor Glace Mortimer

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2017-09-25 16:31:11 UTC
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The review from Variety.com ...
TV Review: 'Star Trek: Discovery' on CBS and CBS All Access
-----------------------------------------------------------
When Michael Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) first meets Captain
Gabriel Lorca (Jason Isaacs), his room is dimly lit. He mutters
something about an eye condition requiring low light, but, as
with most of his statements, there appears to be information
the captain is deliberately refusing to share.
Discovery" that is shadowy. As Burnham frequently negotiates
"Discovery" is trying, with some success, to convey that this
is not your father's "Star Trek."
It might be your mother's, if she is a fan of "Star Trek: Deep
Space Nine," which is widely considered to be the best of the
"Trek" TV efforts. (To forestall nerd debates, yes, each
Federation series has its merits, but "Deep Space Nine" and
"The Next Generation" top most critics' lists.)
The later seasons of "Deep Space Nine" depicted an array of
conflicted characters - led by Benjamin Sisko, an
African-American captain played by Avery Brooks - fighting a
grinding, complicated war that sapped their energy and
challenged their ethics even as it strengthened their bonds of
friendship and love. It was serialized - a rarity back then for
any drama, let alone a "Trek" series - and it grew more and
more character-oriented over time. At first glance, "Discovery"
Ongoing story arcs are woven through the first three episodes
(and clearly will continue beyond those hours), and its
resourceful protagonist has as many challenges in front of her
as Sisko often did.
Of course, "Discovery" has yet to prove itself a worthy
successor to "The Next Generation," "Deep Space Nine" or
"Battlestar Galactica" (where several "DS9" writers ended up
after that "Trek" series ended). But there are reasons to hope
that "Discovery" will be promising addition to the "Trek" canon.
If it capitalizes on the conflicts at its core, and if it
embraces the ambiguity and complexity baked into its DNA,
"Discovery" could provide viewers with the kind of
character-driven, space-set sci-fi narrative that has long been
missing from the television scene. It's early days yet, and the
CBS All Access drama, which contains some wobbly elements, may
let lapse into the usual array of alien-of-the-week formulas,
but this voyage has potential.
The first three hours of "Star Trek: Discovery" provide
serviceable space opera and reasonably exciting interstellar
battles. And as a whole, the drama takes the optimism at the
core of Gene Roddenberry's vision and, in the tradition of the
best of the "Star Trek" canon, uses it to examine the choices
of well-intentioned characters faced with compromises, mysteries,
alien cultures and moral dilemmas. "Discovery" may be set in a
time of war, but it is not uniformly grim; there are some welcome
comedic touches that hit the mark without detracting from the
drama's generally earnest approach.
It's worth noting that there's also a fair bit of the original
"Star Trek" woven into "Discovery's" premise, given that it's set
about a decade before the events of that program. Even the
communicators look like the flip devices of old. But there's one
There are always Jefferies tubes.
"Discovery" had a difficult gestation process, and so there are a
number of narrative hiccups, likely resulting from the departure
of original showrunner Bryan Fuller while Season One was still
being mapped out. A few plot points and character arcs don't quite
track, and some aspects of the show haven't gelled yet. The
Klingons, who are dangerous enemies in this world, are very
elaborately garbed and their scenes are often ponderous and too
slow (the actors give their level best, but they labor under
imposing facial prosthetics that make their expressions hard to
read). Another complaint: The new Federation uniforms are terrible.
Why give these capable officers panels of disco-friendly gold cloth
on their hips?
But relatively speaking, these are Tribbles - er, I mean, quibbles.
The core mission of "Discovery" is to make viewers care about
Burnham, and it succeeds in that regard. Martin-Green is
charismatic and quietly forceful in the lead role, and her
character is an outsider in many ways, which gives "Discovery's"
writers a lot of interesting psychological territory to explore.
Her professional relationships in the present and her personal
bonds from the past are mostly fraught and complicated, and
"Discovery's" handling of those aspects of her story may well
determine whether it becomes must-see viewing or not. The capable
cast around Martin-Green - which includes Doug Jones, Isaacs,
Anthony Rapp and Mary Wisemen - all make fine first impressions.
Though her parents were human, after their deaths during her
childhood, Burnham was raised by Spock's family on Vulcan. Though
she's energetic and steadfast, she's not quite as comfortable in
the Federation or even among humans as some of her fellow crew
members. It remains to be seen whether her African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
We don't at the moment, and that's just one reason why it's a real
joy to see an African-American woman and a woman of Asian descent
(Michelle Yeoh's Captain Philippa Georgiou) charging through the
universe - leading, strategizing and kicking ass when necessary.
Though "Discovery" has a number of patches of leaden exposition,
the mentoring relationship between the two women is nicely
sketched out by Yeoh and Martin-Green.
But it's the moral murk that Burnham must wade through that gives
"Discovery" its tantalizing possibilities. Once the set-up is out
of the way - and that takes most of the first three episodes - it
will be interesting to see whether new showrunners Gretchen J.
Berg and Aaron Harberts will be able to capably capitalize on the
ethical and personal dilemmas inserted into the premise during
Fuller's tenure (his name is among those getting story or script
credits in the first two hours).
If "Discovery" builds on the best parts of its opening hours,
Burnham will continue to be thrown into situations that have no
easy answers and will be given missions that will bring about
challenging consequences. It also remains to be seen whether
"Discovery" will drive subscriptions to CBS All Access, where
episodes will arrive weekly. (The hourlong premiere airs on CBS
Sunday; that episode and the second installment hit CBS All Access
Sunday night, and "Discovery" outings arrive on the subscription
service weekly thereafter.)
"Trek" has been off the air for a while, and the strategy of
reviving the TV franchise via CBS All Access is not without risk.
And within the world of the show, the Klingons' philosophy is dark
- a new leader rises whose philosophy could be summed up as "Make
Kronos Great Again." But the tenacious drive that Martin-Green
brings to her character's quest to prove herself means no one
should count out the Federation just yet.
<http://variety.com/2017/tv/reviews/star-trek-discovery-cbs-all-access-review-sonequa-martin-green-1202569322/>
Well it is off to an average start!
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BTR1701
2017-09-26 07:30:47 UTC
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It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Jim G.
2017-09-26 17:58:43 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah, that would bug me. For a while, at least.
--
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
Jaqobis, KILLJOYS
Obveeus
2017-09-26 19:34:25 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
     It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
     identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
     hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
     be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
     of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
     "Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
     in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah, that would bug me. For a while, at least.
...crickets.
BTR1701
2017-09-26 19:44:45 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah, that would bug me. For a while, at least.
I wonder if placing a can of Raid conspicuously on your console when you
sit down for your shift would be considered a hate crime?
Jim G.
2017-09-27 00:08:59 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah, that would bug me. For a while, at least.
I wonder if placing a can of Raid conspicuously on your console when you
sit down for your shift would be considered a hate crime?
I'd buy a bunch of the biggest glue strips I could find.
--
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"I intend to save her beautiful, stubborn ass. And if you keep being
weird about this, I intend to poke you in the lung hole." -- D'avin
Jaqobis, KILLJOYS
Your Name
2017-09-27 00:18:01 UTC
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Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah, that would bug me. For a while, at least.
I wonder if placing a can of Raid conspicuously on your console when you
sit down for your shift would be considered a hate crime?
I'd buy a bunch of the biggest glue strips I could find.
Andromeda had an insect pilot years ago, one of the Than species. :-)
Neill Massello
2017-09-27 07:58:31 UTC
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I wonder if placing a can of Raid conspicuously on your console when you
sit down for your shift would be considered a hate crime?
Endoskeletal privilege: three weeks in re-education camp.
--
"But I thought any insults would bounce off that carapace."
Mike Van Pelt
2017-09-27 00:01:20 UTC
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It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah.

I think that Variety reviewer made a mistake there. The
Captain's "You of all people should know better" more likely
referred to Burnham's growing up as a human on Vulcan. If
they're keeping some of the stuff from "Enterprise" (oh, I hope
not!) the Vulcans just don't like the smell of humans, among
other things. She probably experienced prejudice that is,
perhaps, very rare on Earth.

Meh. Saw the first hour, not going near any special $$$/month
CBS thing unless this Trek is ... oh, at least as good as "The
Expanse", and it sure isn't that.

It looks like maybe (I hope I hope!) they are going to
de-canonicalize the whole idiotic "Great Klingon
Transmogrification" thing. As Roddenberry said, Klingons always
looked like that, even in TOS; they just didn't have the budget
for it back in the 60s. I like that the makeup is more than just
forehead bumps, or a snapping turtle shell on the forehead, but
I think this may obscure the actors' faces a bit too much.

Too much of the first hour just makes no sense, and the captain
and Burnham tossing the Stupid Ball back and forth.

Burnham has (heh) burned all possible bridges in respect to
remaining in Star Fleet outside of a brig or Space Leavenworth.
But they are, of course, going to ignore that.

I did like the intro bit; this isn't Picard's rigidly amoral
version of the Prime Directive; it's Kirk's more flexible,
and more human, version.
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~consul
2017-09-27 14:11:12 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah.
I think that Variety reviewer made a mistake there. The
Captain's "You of all people should know better" more likely
referred to Burnham's growing up as a human on Vulcan. If
they're keeping some of the stuff from "Enterprise" (oh, I hope
not!) the Vulcans just don't like the smell of humans, among
other things. She probably experienced prejudice that is,
perhaps, very rare on Earth.
From what we have seen of the other alien planets a part of the
Federation, or most other alien culture is how species/culturally pure
they are. On Vulcan, Qo'noS, Romulus, etc, most of the time we see
singular, native species wandering around. Earth, however, always had
a good smattering of non-human folks in the crowds
Post by Mike Van Pelt
It looks like maybe (I hope I hope!) they are going to
de-canonicalize the whole idiotic "Great Klingon
Transmogrification" thing. As Roddenberry said, Klingons always
looked like that, even in TOS; they just didn't have the budget
for it back in the 60s. I like that the makeup is more than just
forehead bumps, or a snapping turtle shell on the forehead, but
I think this may obscure the actors' faces a bit too much.
It was a bit intense, they really should have gone with something more
expressive. But it also seems that they don't care to make an
emotive/expressive Klingon if they are going to be just the big bad
African/Egyptian enemy.
Costuming is great, I like it a vareity that works.
While the dialogue was super slow, I guess because of the actor's
unfamiliarity with the language, it was interesting. I would watch a
series focused on the Klingons in this timeline, from their point of
view, of reclaiming their heritage and destiny. Sure the main ones
were assholes and violent, but there was actual dialogue of dissent.
He was called out as being dishonerable, but he also wasn't killed on
the spot, which I had expected would have happened on such a
pro-war/military ship.

"To lock arms against those those whose fatal greeting is ... We Come
in Peace"
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here,
at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul
anim8rfsk
2017-09-27 16:36:20 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah.
I think that Variety reviewer made a mistake there. The
Captain's "You of all people should know better" more likely
referred to Burnham's growing up as a human on Vulcan. If
they're keeping some of the stuff from "Enterprise" (oh, I hope
not!) the Vulcans just don't like the smell of humans, among
other things. She probably experienced prejudice that is,
perhaps, very rare on Earth.
From what we have seen of the other alien planets a part of the
Federation, or most other alien culture is how species/culturally pure
they are. On Vulcan, Qo'noS, Romulus, etc, most of the time we see
singular, native species wandering around. Earth, however, always had
a good smattering of non-human folks in the crowds
As Riker said, Earth doesn't enslave it's food animals.
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Obveeus
2017-09-27 16:40:16 UTC
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Post by ~consul
Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by BTR1701
It remains to be seen whether Burnham's African-American
identity will be mined for storytelling purposes. "Discovery"
hesitantly brings it up once, before quickly dropping it. It would
be intriguing - and timely - if "Discovery" explored that aspect
of Burnham's experience now and then, instead of assuming, as
"Trek" so often blithely has, that in the future humans will live
in a post-racial society.
It's hard to get hung up on something as minor as skin color when the
crewman sitting next to you is a 5-foot tall insect.
Yeah.
I think that Variety reviewer made a mistake there. The
Captain's "You of all people should know better" more likely
referred to Burnham's growing up as a human on Vulcan. If
they're keeping some of the stuff from "Enterprise" (oh, I hope
not!) the Vulcans just don't like the smell of humans, among
other things. She probably experienced prejudice that is,
perhaps, very rare on Earth.
From what we have seen of the other alien planets a part of the
Federation, or most other alien culture is how species/culturally pure
they are. On Vulcan, Qo'noS, Romulus, etc, most of the time we see
singular, native species wandering around. Earth, however, always had
a good smattering of non-human folks in the crowds
As Riker said, Earth doesn't enslave it's food animals.
The OKJA style superpigs were extinct by then.
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