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It's a fucking tax law. Why should the fucking tax law be on the books
that makes it a crime for selling cigarettes lacking a tax stamp? Note
that he'd already paid all taxes on the cigarettes upon buying the whole
Good you be just a tiny bit sympathetic, Rich? It was a fucking
victimless crime, unless you're very concerned about New York City's
inability to collect sufficient sin taxes.
It would be interesting to see if Rich felt the same if a black cop had
choked a white "loosey" seller to death.... I imagine that would REALLY
outrage him with a black man putting his hands on a white guy, his
It's obvious to anyone watching the video that the cops used excessive
force. On the other hand, Garner did resist and refused to be handcuffed.
Everybody is so damned confrontational, both cops and criminals. Garner
would still be alive if he had cooperated.
I have no idea what resistance Garner offered, but it's irrelevant. All
that's relevant was that he was choking while on the ground and said so
multiple times. At that point, he should have been sat up.
It's a tax law violation. Why the fuck did the cops have to confront him
in the first place? Is anyone going to say that such a law should not be
on the books to begin with?
here's an mostly biased for Garner wiki entry:
"Garner had been arrested by the NYPD more than thirty times since 1980 on
charges such as assault, resisting arrest, and grand larceny.
many of these arrests had been for allegedly selling unlicensed cigarettes
At the time of the incident, he was out on bail for selling untaxed
cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession, and false
The photographer/witness went to jail for weapons charges and after
complaining the cops tried to murder him in jail, is now in prison for drug
and weapons charges.
"Officers confronted Garner and accused him of selling "loosies
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loosie)" (single cigarettes without a tax
stamp) in violation of New York state law."
How the Hell much can you sell a single cigarette for?
Al Sharpton rabbled roused everything into a frenzy.
"An ME said the 'neck compression' exacerbated Garner's asthma, heart
disease, and obesity. But there "was no damage to thetrachea or neckbones""
They didn't like the official ME's results so they kept shopping for other
MEs apparently to appease Sharpton.
It was sent to a grand jury who decided not to indict.
Protesters" started AMBUSHING AND MURDERING POLICE OFFICERS.
Garner's family threatened police. His 27 year old daughter dropped dead of a
heart attack herself.
Obama rabble roused.
Family gets paid off; just under $6m.
Not liking the grand jury exoneration of the cops, the DoJ steps in. FBI and
Feds say there should be no charges.
Obama's new Attorney General removes everybody on the case and brings in NEW
THEY find that the cops should not face Federal charges.
Finally, five years later, they get a cherry picked ME to claim that the
'chokehold' caused the asthma attack. Said ME concedes "that even "a bear
hug" could have had the same effect as the chokehold, given that Garner
weighed 395 pounds, suffered from asthma and diabetes, and had a heart twice
the size of a healthy person's heart."
Internal Affairs wants the cop fired anyway. Finally they get an apparently
unnamed (which is weird) "New York City police department administrative
judge" who had been in charge of aspects of the case to recommend firing.
"New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch
blasted the judge's recommendation as "pure political insanity." He said the
judge "ignored evidence and trampled P.O. Pantaleo's due process rights in
order to deliver the results that the grandstanding politicians and
He said if O'Neill upholds the decision, it will send a message to city
officers that they are "expendable.""
BTW Garner had 100 loose cigarettes on him at the time, and had just been
involved in a fight, which is what the cops were initially called for.
CBS says all this happened on Staten Island, which we know from Law& Order
is where they send disciplined cops who then complain endlessly 'cause
there's no crime to fight out there (I've never understood that either).
My big takeaway is that apparently NYC (or, I guess, Staten Island) cops are
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