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RichA
2019-08-07 04:32:26 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True, having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
David Johnston
2019-08-07 20:44:35 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a nuclear blast damaging them won't work.
Unplugging them would help if you weren't in the central area of effect.
RichA
2019-08-07 22:41:39 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a nuclear blast damaging them won't work.
Unplugging them would help if you weren't in the central area of effect.
Yes, the effect would have a limit, depending on the height and power of the blast.
Your Name
2019-08-08 02:03:49 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
anim8rfsk
2019-08-08 02:10:13 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
or switching out the solenoids won't bring your car back
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RichA
2019-08-08 02:18:52 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)

Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
The Horny Goat
2019-08-08 19:11:39 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.

The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.

Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
RichA
2019-08-09 00:24:11 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.
The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
Nonsense, IMO. Many European cities were virtually leveled by conventional bombing and firestorms and they came back. Nuclear fall-out from airbursts is minor and you can be back in the city in a week.
anim8rfsk
2019-08-09 01:34:06 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an
electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much
larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great
difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime
electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by
causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from
the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off
numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave
link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls
from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.
The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
Nonsense, IMO. Many European cities were virtually leveled by conventional
bombing and firestorms and they came back. Nuclear fall-out from airbursts is
minor and you can be back in the city in a week.
Tell that to the inhabitants of the Bikini Atoll.
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RichA
2019-08-09 02:04:18 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an
electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much
larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great
difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime
electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by
causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from
the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off
numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave
link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls
from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.
The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
Nonsense, IMO. Many European cities were virtually leveled by conventional
bombing and firestorms and they came back. Nuclear fall-out from airbursts is
minor and you can be back in the city in a week.
Tell that to the inhabitants of the Bikini Atoll.
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Once more...they say you need to repeat everything four times before a person absorbs it. GROUND BURSTS create a LOT of fall-out because of direct contact between the blast and ground materials. High air-bursts do not. Blasts at Bikini were GROUND BURSTS.
anim8rfsk
2019-08-09 02:56:37 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an
electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much
larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great
difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime
electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by
causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 898 miles (1,445 km) away from
the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,[6] setting off
numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave
link.[7] The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls
from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[8]
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.
The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
Nonsense, IMO. Many European cities were virtually leveled by conventional
bombing and firestorms and they came back. Nuclear fall-out from airbursts is
minor and you can be back in the city in a week.
Tell that to the inhabitants of the Bikini Atoll.
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Once more...they say you need to repeat everything four times before a person
absorbs it. GROUND BURSTS create a LOT of fall-out because of direct contact
between the blast and ground materials. High air-bursts do not. Blasts at
Bikini were GROUND BURSTS.
But the problem at Bikini isn't just fall out. The metal in the area is
radioactive. The tower supports that held the bomb sent people running when
they saw the numbers. Also the sunken ships are too hot to go near still.
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The Horny Goat
2019-08-09 16:12:26 UTC
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The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
Nonsense, IMO. Many European cities were virtually leveled by conventional bombing and firestorms and they came back. Nuclear fall-out from airbursts is minor and you can be back in the city in a week.
I wasn't discussing nuclear weapons on European cities.

I was discussing widespread destruction of both the electrical grid
and motors, engines, all sorts of electrical devices due to EMP.

I exaggerated a bit on the Marshall Plan but no question an EMP zone
covering several western European countries could have been
economically devastating. OK not as bad as 100 million dead due to
nukes but no question the economic results would have been clear.
Ubiquitous
2019-08-09 11:43:22 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Well...(wikipedia)
Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear test near Hawaii) caused an
electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so
much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale,
causing great diff
In the Kauai case you're referring to EMP wasn't well understood at
the time and given the distance from the Hawaiian islands the blast
took place could easily have EMP'd the entire chain.
The EMP effect was a surprise but presumably a lot of military
research on EMP immediately was commissioned since given where the
blast took place from Kauai with that radius an eqivalent blast
anywhere in southern Germany or eastern France could very nicely
cripple most of the core EU countries.
Which as you probably know was the main WW3 scenario contemplated in
the 1955-1975 era. Even General Marshall would have a hard time
bringing Europe back from a couple of well placed nukes even if the
actual detonation failed to kill anybody (!)
And that's the real danger of Iran and the NoKs having atomic bombs.

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David Johnston
2019-08-08 03:35:55 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work.  The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not.  True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator won't
keep you alive.   ;-)
That's another thing that depends on how far you are away from the
epicenter.
Ubiquitous
2019-08-08 08:35:16 UTC
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Turning off computers and electric equipment to prevent an EMP from a
nuclear blast damaging them won't work. The electronics will be
damaged or destroyed no matter if they are plugged in or not. True,
having an antenna running to a radio for example might cause more
damage than if the antenna wasn't connected.
Next you'll be saying that hiding in an old household refrigerator
won't keep you alive. ;-)
Or not leaving your car in a LA traffic jam. @@

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