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Liberals are now calling anytime more than one person is shot, a "mass shooting"
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RichA
2021-05-30 14:43:29 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
moviePig
2021-05-30 15:24:21 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Google acclaimed Republican 'Frank Luntz'.
moviePig
2021-05-30 15:40:45 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists."  Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Google acclaimed Republican 'Frank Luntz'.
Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?

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2 killed, more than 20 wounded in mass shooting at rap concert,
Miami-Dade police say

Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...

Miami Herald
6 hours ago
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Ed Stasiak
2021-05-30 16:42:36 UTC
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moviePig
RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?
Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...
I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.

But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.

Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.

https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm
suzeeq
2021-05-30 17:17:05 UTC
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moviePig
RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?
Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...
I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.
You ought to read accounts of the incident and see how many were run
over, rather than being shot. Instead of guessing...
Post by Ed Stasiak
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm
And yeah, that says 4 people or more, not one or more as Rich's
inaccurate subject line says. Depends if they were indiscriminately
firing into a crowd too.
moviePig
2021-05-30 17:20:19 UTC
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moviePig
RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?
Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...
I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm
I'd agree that if only two people were hit (or targeted) by bullets,
then "mass shooting" is probably a dilution. Meanwhile, though, show me
a noisemaker of *either* political bent who doesn't invariably employ
the most (or least) dramatic terminology within sight...
ZZyXX
2021-05-30 23:44:02 UTC
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moviePig
RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?
Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...
I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks
you have to stop guessing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Demographics[edit]
According to The New York Times, the majority of perpetrators they have
published stories about are white males who act alone.[41] According to
most analyses and studies, the proportion of mass shooters in the United
States who are white is slightly less than the proportion of white
people in the general population of the US, however, the proportion of
male mass shooters is considerably greater than the proportion of males
in the population.[42] According to the Associated Press, white men
comprise nearly 50 percent of all mass shooters in the US.[43] According
to the Center for Inquiry, mass shootings of family members (the most
common) are usually carried out by White, middle-aged men. Felony mass
shootings (connected with a previous crime) tend to be committed by
young Black or Hispanic males with extensive criminal records, typically
against persons of the same ethnic group. Public mass shootings of
persons unrelated to the shooter, and for a reason not connected with a
previous crime (the rarest but most publicized) are committed by men
whose racial distribution closely matches that of the nation as a whole.
Other than gender, the demographic profiles of public mass shooters are
too varied to draw firm conclusions.[44]



and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
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or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm
Ed Stasiak
2021-05-31 16:30:39 UTC
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ZZyXX
According to the Associated Press, white men comprise nearly
50 percent of all mass shooters in the US.[43]
Because the media doesn't count mass shootings by Blacks as
mass shootings, they're labeled "gang violence" as including Black
mass shootings in the statistics derails the narrative that we're all
in deadly peril of crazed White Rightwingers shooting up the joint.
BTR1701
2021-05-30 16:59:23 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of
misusing the English language for their own political ends?
It allows them to include all the gang drive-bys in the totals of
"America's mass shootings" to pump up those numbers to scarier levels in
order to drive support for Biden's gun grabbing efforts.

When the soccer mom in Des Moines hears that we've had 400 mass
shootings since January, she thinks there must be a shopping mall or a
school being shot up every single day and freaks out, not realizing that
the vast, vast majority of those shootings are inner-city thugs
massacring each other and will never be a threat to her or her family.
trotsky
2021-05-30 18:36:42 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of
misusing the English language for their own political ends?
It allows them to include all the gang drive-bys in the totals of
"America's mass shootings" to pump up those numbers to scarier levels in
order to drive support for Biden's gun grabbing efforts.
When the soccer mom in Des Moines hears that we've had 400 mass
shootings since January, she thinks there must be a shopping mall or a
school being shot up every single day and freaks out, not realizing that
the vast, vast majority of those shootings are inner-city thugs
massacring each other and will never be a threat to her or her family.
Of course this is just right wing asshole speak and you have no
statistics to back this up, correct?
trotsky
2021-05-30 18:49:15 UTC
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On 5/30/21 9:43 AM, RichA wrote:


Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.

https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.
moviePig
2021-05-30 19:58:27 UTC
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Another total fucking lie.  The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything?  Holy fuck are you stupid.
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
suzeeq
2021-05-30 20:46:21 UTC
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Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
moviePig
2021-05-30 21:22:56 UTC
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Another total fucking lie.  The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims
at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything?  Holy fuck are you stupid.
Creepy there's an official number.  Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
(Omg! They have to be killed *mannerly*???)

Yeah, Wiki says three, as well as that the killer has to get off on it
...though we might assume that if he didn't, he'd stop after one or two.
The Horny Goat
2021-06-05 04:55:43 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
suzeeq
2021-06-05 05:13:17 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
moviePig
2021-06-05 13:31:00 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number.  Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
The Toronto guy was more of a "limited series"-killer...
trotsky
2021-06-05 14:48:25 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number.  Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
The Toronto guy was more of a "limited series"-killer...
That's a little cavalier but still clever.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-06-06 03:29:39 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.
Enough of an interval that the crimes are separate events at separate
crime scenes. A mass murder is multiple murders at one crime scene.

I really don't understand how the line is blurred.
anim8rfsk
2021-06-06 03:44:24 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.
Enough of an interval that the crimes are separate events at separate
crime scenes. A mass murder is multiple murders at one crime scene.
I really don't understand how the line is blurred.
Because TV writers and reporters are lazy and stupid.


“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
moviePig
2021-06-06 14:03:00 UTC
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Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.
Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer
Yes, there's an interval between murders.
Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.
Long enough for public interest to die, too...
trotsky
2021-05-31 10:53:15 UTC
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Another total fucking lie.  The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything?  Holy fuck are you stupid.
Creepy there's an official number.  Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I don't think it's creepy to have an official definition. You wouldn't
call shooting two people a "mass shooting" for example.
moviePig
2021-05-31 12:40:55 UTC
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Another total fucking lie.  The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims
at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.
Are you ever right about anything?  Holy fuck are you stupid.
Creepy there's an official number.  Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...
I don't think it's creepy to have an official definition.  You wouldn't
call shooting two people a "mass shooting" for example.
Creepy (of the human race) that it's a phenomenon repeated often enough
to comprise its own category, with semi-strict admission thresholds.
RichA
2021-06-07 04:31:05 UTC
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Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is essentially the same.
Then maybe it's racial? It's a "mass-shooting" if the shooter is white, but, if the are black....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/chicago-shootings-injured-dead/index.html

Eight people were wounded Sunday morning in the 8900 block of South Cottage Grove after occupants in a silver sedan fired into a group of people standing on a sidewalk. Six men and two women ranging from 28 to 38 years old were hit by gunfire and transported to local hospitals. The suspects remain at large.
ZZyXX
2021-06-07 19:44:45 UTC
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Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done
The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is essentially the same.
Then maybe it's racial? It's a "mass-shooting" if the shooter is white, but, if the are black....
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/chicago-shootings-injured-dead/index.html
Eight people were wounded Sunday morning in the 8900 block of South Cottage Grove after occupants in a silver sedan fired into a group of people standing on a sidewalk. Six men and two women ranging from 28 to 38 years old were hit by gunfire and transported to local hospitals. The suspects remain at large.
damn christians

anim8rfsk
2021-05-30 20:09:31 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
They don’t know any better.
--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
Adam H. Kerman
2021-05-30 20:23:55 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
They don't know any better.
Nearly no one gets it right. Whenever a serious killing occurs, first
thing reporters ask is, Is this terrorism? Are you calling this a hate
crime? I guess they are unable to report accurately on the facts of a
crime without the need for lots of embellishment.

"Terrorism" has a specific meaning applicable to a crime in which the
targetted or non-targetted killing is meant to intimidate other members
of an ethnic or religious or national group.
anim8rfsk
2021-05-30 20:44:09 UTC
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Post by RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
They don't know any better.
Nearly no one gets it right. Whenever a serious killing occurs, first
thing reporters ask is, Is this terrorism? Are you calling this a hate
crime? I guess they are unable to report accurately on the facts of a
crime without the need for lots of embellishment.
"Terrorism" has a specific meaning applicable to a crime in which the
targetted or non-targetted killing is meant to intimidate other members
of an ethnic or religious or national group.
Yep.

And blue bloods, and I’m sure others including maybe law and order, insist
on classifying any sort of crime that leaves more than a couple bodies as
serial killing.

I prefer Murdoch mysteries “sequential killing”


“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
ZZyXX
2021-05-30 23:38:26 UTC
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This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?
APE, Chinoid

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