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Star Trek: Picard Season 2 Will See John de Lancie's Q Return
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Ubiquitous
2021-04-06 23:32:11 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.

Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.

De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
will mark his first live-action return to the role since Star Trek:
Voyager.

The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!



De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
will mark his first live-action return to the role since Star Trek:
Voyager.

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Wolffan
2021-04-07 16:37:38 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying that the
Borg Queen was beloved...
Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
Ed Stasiak
2021-04-07 21:14:23 UTC
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Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying
that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
BTR1701
2021-04-07 21:20:44 UTC
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Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying
that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff. I
they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one o
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the book
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows an
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Ed Stasiak
2021-04-07 21:59:49 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.

Case in point; “Game of Thrones” and now HBO’s prequels, which are going
to be even worse (bet you didn’t think THAT was possible?…)

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"The Godfather" on the other hand, is considered by many to be the greatest
movie series ever and it strictly follows the original novel, only dropping the
alt-history Frank Sinatra/Dean Martin characters and the storyline about
Sonny Corleone's mistress and her cavernous pussy.
Your Name
2021-04-07 22:55:16 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like "Picard" and don't want to see them just
rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to
one of the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most,
of the books are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic
movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
It's the same for "adaptations" from anything: books, comic books,
computer games, board games, TV shows from movies, movies from TV
shows, and even when supposedly making the same show thanks to
moronically silly "reboots". There's a massive list of shows and movies
that bare little resemblance to the original they're supposedly "based
on" and use the original's name.

Mostly it's due to the massive ego of the Hollyweird producer /
director thinking they know better than the person who had the actual
talent to create the original product as to what it "should be".

If these imbeciles don't want to make it properly, then they should
simply use a different name and not stupidly attempt to connect it with
the original.
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Case in point; "Game of Thrones" and now HBO's prequels, which are going
to be even worse (bet you didn't think THAT was possible?...)
https://i.postimg.cc/VsVZdMT6/Go-T-prequel-Empire-Of-Ash.png
"The Godfather" on the other hand, is considered by many to be the greatest
movie series ever and it strictly follows the original novel, only
dropping the alt-history Frank Sinatra/Dean Martin characters and the
storyline about
Sonny Corleone's mistress and her cavernous pussy.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-08 01:24:34 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like "Picard" and don't want to see them just
rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights
to one of the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that would make
fantastic movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
It's the same for "adaptations" from anything: books, comic books,
computer games, board games, TV shows from movies, movies from TV shows,
and even when supposedly making the same show thanks to moronically
silly "reboots". There's a massive list of shows and movies that bare
little resemblance to the original they're supposedly "based on" and use
the original's name.
Mostly it's due to the massive ego of the Hollyweird producer / director
thinking they know better than the person who had the actual talent to
create the original product as to what it "should be".
If these imbeciles don't want to make it properly, then they should
simply use a different name and not stupidly attempt to connect it with
the original.
But those don't get studio approval and don't make as much money on
average when they do! :-P
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BTR1701
2021-04-08 02:30:59 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
Case in point; “Game of Thrones” and now HBO’s prequels, which are going
to be even worse (bet you didn’t think THAT was possible?…)
https://i.postimg.cc/VsVZdMT6/Go-T-prequel-Empire-Of-Ash.png
"The Godfather" on the other hand, is considered by many to be the greatest
movie series ever and it strictly follows the original novel, only dropping the
alt-history Frank Sinatra/Dean Martin characters and the storyline about
Sonny Corleone's mistress and her cavernous pussy.
The recent renaissance and success that Stephen King adaptations have had
is a direct result of someone in Hollywood realizing that if they actually
make a movie out of the story King wrote instead of assuming some
millennial screenwriting major can do a better job and completely changing
the story, the film actually comes out pretty good.
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 03:26:41 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
Case in point; “Game of Thrones” and now HBO’s prequels, which are going
to be even worse (bet you didn’t think THAT was possible?…)
https://i.postimg.cc/VsVZdMT6/Go-T-prequel-Empire-Of-Ash.png
"The Godfather" on the other hand, is considered by many to be the greatest
movie series ever and it strictly follows the original novel, only dropping the
alt-history Frank Sinatra/Dean Martin characters and the storyline about
Sonny Corleone's mistress and her cavernous pussy.
The recent renaissance and success that Stephen King adaptations have had
is a direct result of someone in Hollywood realizing that if they actually
make a movie out of the story King wrote instead of assuming some
millennial screenwriting major can do a better job and completely changing
the story, the film actually comes out pretty good.
I wonder if King is actually big enough to exert some sort of creative
control? Probably not since Clive Cussler wasn’t.
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David Johnston
2021-04-08 07:07:28 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
...No. There aren't. There are very few if any Star Trek novels that
aren't about the old characters.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
At what point in the past were they any more capable of simply adapting
a novel?
Post by Ed Stasiak
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
At what point in the past was that not that not the standard procedure?
Post by Ed Stasiak
Case in point; “Game of Thrones” and now HBO’s prequels, which are going
to be even worse (bet you didn’t think THAT was possible?…)
https://i.postimg.cc/VsVZdMT6/Go-T-prequel-Empire-Of-Ash.png
"The Godfather" on the other hand, is considered by many to be the greatest
movie series ever and it strictly follows the original novel,
only dropping the
Post by Ed Stasiak
alt-history Frank Sinatra/Dean Martin characters and the storyline about
Sonny Corleone's mistress and her cavernous pussy.
The movie kills Fredo Corleone, a character who lived in the novel. I'd
say the Hunger Games adaptation was more faithful to its original.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-04-08 14:11:49 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
. . .
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
At what point in the past were they any more capable of simply adapting
a novel?
The Manchurian Candidate

There may not be a second example of a straight adaptation.

Also, the musical My Fair Lady does nicely adapt the Shaw play
Pygmallion, incorporating Shaw's witty dialogue into lyrics, then the
movie musical did nicely adapt the stage musical.

Straight adaptations are exceedingly rare.
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the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
You forgot the punch line: And then they changed the title!
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BTR1701
2021-04-08 17:14:51 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to
one of the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most,
of the books are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic
movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old characters.
...No. There aren't. There are very few if any Star Trek novels that
aren't about the old characters.
Of course they're going to involve the main crew. I was talking about
dredging up old supporting characters like Q that have already been done
to death. I'd have thought that was clear from the context. Once again,
my bad for overestimating you.
tenworld
2021-04-11 18:37:04 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
nowadays? have you ever read the early Tarzan books? no comparison to movies.
or East of Eden if you prefer classics? there are a few exceptions like Godfather but
look where the Jurassic Park movies went
anim8rfsk
2021-04-11 18:56:02 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing back old stuff.
If they can't write a decent story on their own, just buy the rights to one of
the many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the books
are good, but there are a few that would make fantastic movies/shows and
aren't just retreads of old characters.
Hollywood nowadays is completely incapable of simply adapting a novel,
the standard operating procedure now is buy the rights to a book for the
title, a couple of characters and a few bits from the original story, then
change every thing around until it's utter shit.
nowadays? have you ever read the early Tarzan books? no comparison to movies.
or East of Eden if you prefer classics? there are a few exceptions like Godfather but
look where the Jurassic Park movies went
Jurassic Park has the weirdest history. Apparently Creighton originally
wrote it is a script and the special effects technology wasn’t good enough
yet so he turned it into a book and Spielberg bought it before it was
published and then nobody bothered to look at the original script they just
wrote a new script based on the book which wasn’t nearly as good and by
then they killed enough time that the special effects technology was in
place.


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Nyssa
2021-04-08 12:54:39 UTC
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Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
?Beloved?? _Q_? ?Beloved?? Really? Next they?ll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like ?Picard? and don?t want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing
back old stuff. If they can't write a decent story on
their own, just buy the rights to one of the many great
Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the
books are good, but there are a few that would make
fantastic movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old
characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.

But do you really think that TPTB would a) pay an outside
writer a fair price plus residuals for the ideas he's
created or b) that the (non)creative minds of the studio
bosses, producers, writers, and directors would totally
screw it up beyond any recognition in the first few
episodes?

I don't.

Nyssa, who was always disappointed that the ST universe
didn't go with the Diane Duane version of the Romulan
Empire and history which would have been preferable
to the bumpy foreheads versions that ended up on TNG
BTR1701
2021-04-08 17:18:11 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing
back old stuff. If they can't write a decent story on
their own, just buy the rights to one of the many great
Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the
books are good, but there are a few that would make
fantastic movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old
characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer machine from TOS.
They find another dormant one floating in the dark at the edge of the
galaxy and discover they were created by an ancient civilization to
fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a fantastic movie.
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 17:31:52 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing
back old stuff. If they can't write a decent story on
their own, just buy the rights to one of the many great
Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the
books are good, but there are a few that would make
fantastic movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old
characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer machine from TOS.
They find another dormant one floating in the dark at the edge of the
galaxy and discover they were created by an ancient civilization to
fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.


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BTR1701
2021-04-08 17:58:40 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep bringing
back old stuff. If they can't write a decent story on
their own, just buy the rights to one of the many great
Trek books and make that. Not all, or even most, of the
books are good, but there are a few that would make
fantastic movies/shows and aren't just retreads of old
characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer machine from TOS.
They find another dormant one floating in the dark at the edge of the
galaxy and discover they were created by an ancient civilization to
fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
That's sounds right.
Nyssa
2021-04-08 20:30:11 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one floating
in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and discover they
were created by an ancient civilization to fight the
Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a
fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.

Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 20:59:10 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
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De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one floating
in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and discover they
were created by an ancient civilization to fight the
Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a
fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various locations all over the
house.
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Nyssa
2021-04-08 22:45:28 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
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De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?

Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-09 01:26:07 UTC
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Wolffan
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De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom. But recent years have not been good financially
and its down to less than a dozen books.

My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
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2021-04-09 05:23:51 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom. But recent years have not been good financially
and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them. Space
problem solved.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-09 12:09:35 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them. Space
problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible. :) I come from a long line of
packrats. One grandmother made multiple trips to China. Every time she
came back with enough furniture to furnish a house. My mother spent
decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off after she died.

(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
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2021-04-10 00:45:33 UTC
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I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know
how many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and
add to my database software) in the storage unit that came with my
apartment, an external storage unit I rent and various corners of
said apartment. 2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible.  :)  I come from a long line of
packrats.  One grandmother made multiple trips to China.  Every time
she came back with enough furniture to furnish a house.  My mother
spent decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage problem and
you'll still own them (as long as they're proper downloads and not silly
cloud-based delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks. And I don't trust the ebook vendors to not find a
way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any. I refuse to
go along with the change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get bored or not
enough of you are paying our extortion fees.
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Your Name
2021-04-10 00:47:11 UTC
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Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible.  :)  I come from a long line of
packrats.  One grandmother made multiple trips to China.  Every time
she came back with enough furniture to furnish a house.  My mother
spent decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage problem and
you'll still own them (as long as they're proper downloads and not
silly cloud-based delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks. And I don't trust the ebook vendors to not find a
way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any. I refuse to
go along with the change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get bored or not
enough of you are paying our extortion fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally just simple
PDFs or convert them to PDFs.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-10 03:29:57 UTC
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Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know
how many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number
and add to my database software) in the storage unit that came
with my apartment, an external storage unit I rent and various
corners of said apartment. 2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible.  :)  I come from a long line of
packrats.  One grandmother made multiple trips to China.  Every
time she came back with enough furniture to furnish a house.  My
mother spent decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off
after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage problem and
you'll still own them (as long as they're proper downloads and not
silly cloud-based delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks.  And I don't trust the ebook vendors to not find
a way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any.  I refuse
to go along with the change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get bored or not
enough of you are paying our extortion fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally just simple PDFs
or convert them to PDFs.
As I said, I don't trust that those would remain safe!

I also CAN'T pay for an ebook reader or smartphone or other portable
electronic device to READ them on. Actual paper BOOKS remain the ONLY
portable reading material available to me. Which brings up another
issue with ebooks that I don't like. The restriction of reading to
those who are affluent enough.

I AM NOT SWITCHING TO EBOOKS SO KINDLY STOP TRYING TO SELL ME ON THEM!!!
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2021-04-10 04:16:10 UTC
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Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know
how many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number
and add to my database software) in the storage unit that came
with my apartment, an external storage unit I rent and various
corners of said apartment. 2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible.  :)  I come from a long line of
packrats.  One grandmother made multiple trips to China.  Every
time she came back with enough furniture to furnish a house.  My
mother spent decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off
after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage problem and
you'll still own them (as long as they're proper downloads and not
silly cloud-based delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks.  And I don't trust the ebook vendors to not find
a way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any.  I refuse
to go along with the change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get bored or not
enough of you are paying our extortion fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally just simple PDFs
or convert them to PDFs.
As I said, I don't trust that those would remain safe!
I also CAN'T pay for an ebook reader or smartphone or other portable
electronic device to READ them on. Actual paper BOOKS remain the ONLY
portable reading material available to me. Which brings up another
issue with ebooks that I don't like. The restriction of reading to
those who are affluent enough.
I AM NOT SWITCHING TO EBOOKS SO KINDLY STOP TRYING TO SELL ME ON THEM!!!
Oh come on. Switch to ebooks. All the cool people are doing it.
Your Name
2021-04-10 06:52:57 UTC
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Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom.  But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible.  :)  I come from a long line of
packrats.  One grandmother made multiple trips to China.  Every time
she came back with enough furniture to furnish a house.  My mother
spent decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage problem and
you'll still own them (as long as they're proper downloads and not
silly cloud-based delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks.  And I don't trust the ebook vendors to not find a
way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any.  I refuse to
go along with the change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get bored or not
enough of you are paying our extortion fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally just simple
PDFs or convert them to PDFs.
As I said, I don't trust that those would remain safe!
PDFs are as safe as any other format. Yes, you can lose them if your
storage device dies for example, but you can lose printed books if your
house burns down too. With an ebook you can at least have a backup
stored elsewhere or simply re-download it again (if still available)
for free from your ebook provicder account because you've already paid
for it.
Post by Dimensional Traveler
I also CAN'T pay for an ebook reader or smartphone or other portable
electronic device to READ them on. Actual paper BOOKS remain the ONLY
portable reading material available to me. Which brings up another
issue with ebooks that I don't like. The restriction of reading to
those who are affluent enough.
Pretty much anyone in a modern country can read them. You don't need a
specific ebook reader. Most formats, and especially PDF, work on lots
of different devices - ebook readers, tablets, smart phones, laptop and
desktop computers, games consoles (handheld and TV plug-in), smart TVs,
and some "dumb" TVs too.
Post by Dimensional Traveler
I AM NOT SWITCHING TO EBOOKS SO KINDLY STOP TRYING TO SELL ME ON THEM!!!
I wasn't trying to "sell" you anything (personally I don't really like
ebook anyway). Simply giving another option that *anyone* reading might
be interested in. :-\
Nyssa
2021-04-10 12:20:58 UTC
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On 2021-04-09 12:09:35 +0000, Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Nyssa
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by
my To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a
week that someone will send a rescue party to dig
me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in
various locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something
else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room
plus have-read books stuffed all over the house
wherever she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few
shelves on a bookcase in my bedroom. But recent
years have not been good financially and its down to
less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes
(I don't know how many, every once in a while I dig
out another box to number and add to my database
software) in the storage unit that came with my
apartment, an external storage unit I rent and
various corners of said apartment. 2100+ cataloged
so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then
return them. Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible. :) I come from a
long line of packrats. One grandmother made multiple
trips to China. Every time she came back with enough
furniture to furnish a house. My mother spent
decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off
after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want
to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage
problem and you'll still own them (as long as they're
proper downloads and not silly cloud-based
delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks. And I don't trust the ebook
vendors to not find a way to zap any copies I might have
even if I did have any. I refuse to go along with the
change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get
bored or not enough of you are paying our extortion
fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally
just simple PDFs or convert them to PDFs.
As I said, I don't trust that those would remain safe!
I also CAN'T pay for an ebook reader or smartphone or
other portable
electronic device to READ them on. Actual paper BOOKS
remain the ONLY
portable reading material available to me. Which brings
up another
issue with ebooks that I don't like. The restriction of
reading to those who are affluent enough.
I AM NOT SWITCHING TO EBOOKS SO KINDLY STOP TRYING TO SELL
ME ON THEM!!!
Well, you've got a computer, so download the (free)
version of Calibre for your OS. Then you can read any
ebook you'd like. It even converts them from one format
to another.

Free! (although the author will accept donations)

Nyssa, who like free stuff that actually is useful and
well done
anim8rfsk
2021-04-10 15:42:06 UTC
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On 2021-04-09 12:09:35 +0000, Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Nyssa
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by
my To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a
week that someone will send a rescue party to dig
me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in
various locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something
else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room
plus have-read books stuffed all over the house
wherever she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few
shelves on a bookcase in my bedroom. But recent
years have not been good financially and its down to
less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes
(I don't know how many, every once in a while I dig
out another box to number and add to my database
software) in the storage unit that came with my
apartment, an external storage unit I rent and
various corners of said apartment. 2100+ cataloged
so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then
return them. Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible. :) I come from a
long line of packrats. One grandmother made multiple
trips to China. Every time she came back with enough
furniture to furnish a house. My mother spent
decades getting stuff appraised and selling it off
after she died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want
to read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage
problem and you'll still own them (as long as they're
proper downloads and not silly cloud-based
delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks. And I don't trust the ebook
vendors to not find a way to zap any copies I might have
even if I did have any. I refuse to go along with the
change from buying and OWNING something to paid
subscription service that we'll turn off whenever we get
bored or not enough of you are paying our extortion
fees.
That's why you get proper downloadable copies, normally
just simple PDFs or convert them to PDFs.
As I said, I don't trust that those would remain safe!
I also CAN'T pay for an ebook reader or smartphone or
other portable
electronic device to READ them on. Actual paper BOOKS
remain the ONLY
portable reading material available to me. Which brings
up another
issue with ebooks that I don't like. The restriction of
reading to those who are affluent enough.
I AM NOT SWITCHING TO EBOOKS SO KINDLY STOP TRYING TO SELL
ME ON THEM!!!
Well, you've got a computer, so download the (free)
version of Calibre for your OS. Then you can read any
ebook you'd like. It even converts them from one format
to another.
Free! (although the author will accept donations)
Nyssa, who like free stuff that actually is useful and
well done
Calbre is an amazing bit of software.
--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
Nyssa
2021-04-10 12:11:09 UTC
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Post by Nyssa
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week
that someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something
else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few
shelves on a bookcase in my bedroom. But recent years
have not been good financially and its down to less
than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I
don't know how many, every once in a while I dig out
another box to number and add to my database software)
in the storage unit that came with my apartment, an
external storage unit I rent and various corners of
said apartment. 2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then
return them. Space problem solved.
Sorry, genetically not possible. :) I come from a long
line of packrats. One grandmother made multiple trips
to China. Every time she came back with enough
furniture to furnish a house. My mother spent decades
getting stuff appraised and selling it off after she
died.
(Besides, the libraries don't carry the stuff I want to
read. ;) )
Get the ebook versions instead. That solves the storage
problem and you'll still own them (as long as they're
proper downloads and not silly cloud-based
delete-when-we-fee-like-it copies).
I don't WANT ebooks. And I don't trust the ebook vendors
to not find a
way to zap any copies I might have even if I did have any.
I refuse to go along with the change from buying and
OWNING something to paid subscription service that we'll
turn off whenever we get bored or not enough of you are
paying our extortion fees.
Give this a try as an alternative source:

http://1lib.us

You're welcome.

Nyssa, who tries to be helpful
Your Name
2021-04-09 20:23:09 UTC
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I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom. But recent years have not been good
financially and its down to less than a dozen books.
My read books occupy at least 40 small moving boxes (I don't know how
many, every once in a while I dig out another box to number and add to
my database software) in the storage unit that came with my apartment,
an external storage unit I rent and various corners of said apartment.
2100+ cataloged so far....
I just get 'em from the library - read them once then return them.
Space problem solved.
You can borrow ebooks from you library, so that means you don't have to
physically go there nor need to remember to take the books back (they
just expire).
BTR1701
2021-04-09 11:11:01 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
My SBR (Strategic Book Reserve) used to occupy a few shelves on a
bookcase in my bedroom. But recent years have not been good financially
and its down to less than a dozen books.
I do all my reading except for beaches and swimming pools on the iPad, so
my shelf space has really opened up. I can keep my entire To Be Read
library on the iPad, then delete them when I'm done reading them.
anim8rfsk
2021-04-09 02:11:58 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to
see them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be
perfect as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV
series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one
floating in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and
discover they were created by an ancient civilization
to fight the Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't
remember the details, but I do remember thinking, this
would make a fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I keep my to be read pile as decorations in various
locations all over the house.
How do you find anything that way? Do you have your
decorations sorted by author or genre or something else?
I don’t really read books anymore so it’s just sort of winsome and
decorative.
Post by Nyssa
Nyssa, who has hers in stacks piled in one room plus
have-read books stuffed all over the house wherever
she can find a space
:)
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Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-08 22:33:09 UTC
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On Apr 7, 2021 at 2:14:23 PM PDT, "Ed Stasiak"
Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
"Beloved"? _Q_? "Beloved"? Really? Next they'll be
saying that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like PICARD and don't want to see
them just rehash stuff from TNG.
So many great stories out there. No need to keep
bringing back old stuff. If they can't write a decent
story on their own, just buy the rights to one of the
many great Trek books and make that. Not all, or even
most, of the books are good, but there are a few that
would make fantastic movies/shows and aren't just
retreads of old characters.
The Peter David "New Frontiers" series would be perfect
as written for adaptation as a *good* ST TV series.
I remember reading a TREK book about the planet-killer
machine from TOS. They find another dormant one floating
in the dark at the edge of the galaxy and discover they
were created by an ancient civilization to fight the
Borg. I read it so many years ago, I don't remember the
details, but I do remember thinking, this would make a
fantastic movie.
Sounds like the TNG novel VENDETTA by Peter David.
I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
Or maybe read you out....
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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.
Your Name
2021-04-09 20:39:42 UTC
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I'm going to have to risk being buried alive by my
To Be Read pile to try to find this one.
Nyssa, who hopes if no one hears from me in a week that
someone will send a rescue party to dig me out
I've got tons of books. I have kept most of the books (except the
baby/toddler picture books) from my childhood plus all the new ones
obtained over the years.

I know someone who works in the book publishing industry. The company
used to let employees take books for free from the bin when they being
thrown out (previous editions when a new one arrives, for example), but
then they closed down the warehouse part, so we now get a lot less
freebies - still some from time to time (eithre pre-release proof
copies or damaged copies returned from bookstores). We can also order
that company's books for 50% discount and books from most other
publishers for a 30% discount in a reciprocal deal for many publisher
companies.

I started buying the Star Wars books way back when they first began
when I was at school. I was planning to wait until they stopped and
then read them in story-chronological order ... but of course they
still have stopped and I've yet to read most of them. I've got full
doubled-up shelf-loads of them in my bookcases.

Then there's the piles of computer magazines I've got from many decades
of collecting them - over 20 years worth of the UK magaine MacFormat
piled up on another bookcase.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-04-07 21:36:23 UTC
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Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying
that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
Isn't rehashing stuff from TNG the whole reason for the show's existence?
--
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Ed Stasiak
2021-04-07 22:01:36 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
Isn't rehashing stuff from TNG the whole reason for the show's
existence?
Reusing characters and elements from TNG is fine, bringing back
Q is just a cheep marketing stunt and everybody was already tired
of the guy back during TNG.
Your Name
2021-04-07 22:58:17 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like "Picard" and don't want to see them> > just
rehash stuff from TNG.
Isn't rehashing stuff from TNG the whole reason for the show's existence?
Reusing characters and elements from TNG is fine, bringing back
Q is just a cheep marketing stunt and everybody was already tired
of the guy back during TNG.
It's a major surprise and we should be thankful that Q isn't now a
black woman in a wheelchair to appease the "Politically Correct" /
"Equality" / "Diversity" morons. :-\
Adam H. Kerman
2021-04-08 02:16:25 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
Isn't rehashing stuff from TNG the whole reason for the show's
existence?
Reusing characters and elements from TNG is fine, bringing back
Q is just a cheep marketing stunt and everybody was already tired
of the guy back during TNG.
How can you dislike Q? He turned Beverly Crusher into an Irish setter!
That was one of the great moments in television history!
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 03:26:40 UTC
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Dimensional Traveler
Ed Stasiak
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
Isn't rehashing stuff from TNG the whole reason for the show's existence?
Reusing characters and elements from TNG is fine, bringing back
Q is just a cheep marketing stunt and everybody was already tired
of the guy back during TNG.
How can you dislike Q? He turned Beverly Crusher into an Irish setter!
That was one of the great moments in television history!
But he turned her back

My favorite Q moment is when he brings voyager back to earth and tells
Janeway all she has to do is sleep with him and she says she’d rather
murder her entire crew herself and does.


“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
David Johnston
2021-04-08 06:56:30 UTC
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Wolffan
Ubiquitous
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved
‘Beloved’? _Q_? ‘Beloved’? Really? Next they’ll be saying
that the Borg Queen was beloved...
Indeed. I generally like “Picard” and don’t want to see them
just rehash stuff from TNG.
Given how much older DeLancie is, they probably shouldn't have him
appear in live action. Instead they should have him appear as a CGI
horse/dragon/deer thing.
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2021-04-07 18:17:09 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”

No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !

2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions

Lynn
anim8rfsk
2021-04-07 18:54:54 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Lynn
I LOVE LUCY went off the air in 1957, almost 10 years before Star Trek TOS
began.


“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
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Just revealed to kick off CBS¹ celebration of ³First Contact Day²‹the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact‹Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage‹mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance‹the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
³The true final frontier is time. The new season of ³Star Trek: Picard²
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.²
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to ³I Love Lucy².
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Lynn
I LOVE LUCY went off the air in 1957, almost 10 years before Star Trek TOS
began.
I think they meant Here's Lucy or one of those endless Lucy retreads.

BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-04-07 22:37:20 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.

I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
Lynn McGuire
2021-04-07 22:49:55 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/

She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.

Lynn
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 00:47:05 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
--
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Lynn McGuire
2021-04-08 01:48:03 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.

Lynn
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 02:07:21 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”

Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode


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Adam H. Kerman
2021-04-08 02:13:40 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of
Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?

Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
anim8rfsk
2021-04-08 03:26:39 UTC
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Post by A Friend
. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It’s wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
about the cheapest thing on their:

https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s

You’ll find more budgets in the comments


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2021-04-08 03:47:12 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of
Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
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You'll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you're saying they left shows off the
list?

Yeah, Star Trek's budget in context isn't excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..
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You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
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Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.


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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he
was doing
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and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent
business partners
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even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of
Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..
Even if they charged all the sets built for the series to the pilot's
budget I'm just not seeing that number short of inventing the technology
itself.
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You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
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Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.

She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.

Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.

There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.

I don't spot any other productions at the end.
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he
was doing
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and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent
business partners
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even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
Post by Adam H. Kerman
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..
Even if they charged all the sets built for the series to the pilot's
budget I'm just not seeing that number short of inventing the technology
itself.
They did. That’s where all the money in the pilot comes from, is building
the tunnel set and the 800 story complex and the location footage with the
helicopters in the private jets out in the desert.

The same thing happens with the pilots for Star Trek and lost in space.
They pay for all that production value for the series to follow. Lost in
space seriously rebuilt the Jupiter two though when they went into
production, but they made up for it with lots of FX footage to reuse in the
first several episodes. Star Trek got two bites at the apple with its two
pilots. They used the second pilot budget to add lights to the 11 foot
enterprise model (which only appears in one scene in the first pilot!).
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You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.
She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.
Norway is Gene Roddenberry.
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Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.
I don't spot any other productions at the end.
Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one. And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.



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You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.
She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.
Norway is Gene Roddenberry.
Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?

Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.
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Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.
I don't spot any other productions at the end.
Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one.
I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
don't recall seeing a Desilu logo on first season Mannix nor Mission:
Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.
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And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.
Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.
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. . .
You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
The Andy Griffith Show was filmed on 40 Acres, the Culver City back lot.
It wasn't a Desilu production, just a studio tenant.
She also was a co-producer of Star Trek with Norway Productions. I have
no idea who they were. It's not like she was out all the cash.
Norway is Gene Roddenberry.
Waitaminit. I never read that Roddenberry had cash at risk. Did he?
Maybe Lucy did put up the entire budget.
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Mannix and Mission: Impossible began as Desilu productions.
There's a not about The Lucy Show that Desilu produced Season 1 and half
of Season 6. I've never heard of a show going back to its original
studio.
I don't spot any other productions at the end.
Star Trek season one carries the DesiLu logo; season two carries Paramont.
I assume Lucy’s statement came during season one.
I recall that the logo changed after Paramount bought out Desilu, but I
Impossible. I'll have to watch for it.
Ian‘s wiki on Norway. I have no idea if Roddenberry actually had cash in
the deal but I am told that at one point he owned a third of Star Trek
outright. And offered to sell it for 1 million bucks. And was turned down.
This also says that DesiLu became Paramont halfway through season two of
track which would be halfway through season one of Mannix and mission
impossible. So maybe they did start out with the DesiLu logo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_Corporation?wprov=sfti1
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And I have long since
given up on trying to teach my spellchecker to spell Paramont I correctly.
It actually was correct right there and just forced itself back to being
wrong as I watched. Maybe if I say Paramont studios?
Son of a gun no. It spelled the first word correctly and capitalized the
second word and when I hit line return went in and changed both to be
wrong.
Dude: Your spell checker is evil and in league with your DVR.
It spells Desi Lu as two words both capitalized. I have no idea why.
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)
It occurs to me you’d probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.


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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)
It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.
What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I've heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of course that
was before he was the legend that he is now, so he was probably cheaper.
;-)
It occurs to me you'd probably be interested that La La Land records just
put out the three CD set of volume one of the time tunnel music. Volume two
will be the John Williams collection.
What do you think I've been listening to recently? ;-)
Cool beans
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.

That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?

Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones

Nyssa,
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,
CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several shows, including:
Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they’re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960


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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it.
Of course that was before he was the legend that he is
now, so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,
CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several
shows, including: Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they?re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960
?
?The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it?s still
on my list.?
Good digging on your part.

I watched maybe three of the above shows back in the olden
days, but the one I remember the most is Bachelor Father.
I don't remember the music being anything that grabbed me
though like the Checkmate theme did.

The guy has been around a long time and has only gotten
better with age.

I wish I could say the same. lol

Nyssa, who is older and wiser but not necessarily better
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
At the time, "they" said it was the most expensive pilot up to that
time, and "they" were saying it cost more than a million dollars. I
remember doubting that they'd had to build the Titanic set from
scratch, but maybe they did.

Perhaps Irwin Allen thought he could pad the pilot a bit and release it
as a theatrical if the show didn't sell.
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Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it.
Of course that was before he was the legend that he is
now, so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,
CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several
shows, including: Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they?re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960
?
?The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it?s still
on my list.?
Good digging on your part.
I watched maybe three of the above shows back in the olden
days, but the one I remember the most is Bachelor Father.
I don't remember the music being anything that grabbed me
though like the Checkmate theme did.
The guy has been around a long time and has only gotten
better with age.
I wish I could say the same. lol
Nyssa, who is older and wiser but not necessarily better
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
At the time, "they" said it was the most expensive pilot up to that
time, and "they" were saying it cost more than a million dollars. I
remember doubting that they'd had to build the Titanic set from
scratch, but maybe they did.
No. I’ve seen the titanic deck set in other shows from the late
fifties/early 60s.
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Perhaps Irwin Allen thought he could pad the pilot a bit and release it
as a theatrical if the show didn't sell.
Supposedly that was the plan. Stills exist from what’s claimed to be an
ending if they wanted to release it as a movie but no script pages or
moving film. It was used as an ending for the Viewmaster!
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Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it.
Of course that was before he was the legend that he is
now, so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I’ve got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,
CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several
shows, including: Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they?re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960
?
?The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it?s still
on my list.?
Good digging on your part.
I watched maybe three of the above shows back in the olden
days, but the one I remember the most is Bachelor Father.
I don't remember the music being anything that grabbed me
though like the Checkmate theme did.
The guy has been around a long time and has only gotten
better with age.
I wish I could say the same. lol
Nyssa, who is older and wiser but not necessarily better
--
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A Friend
2021-04-08 22:37:49 UTC
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I donâ??t know. Iâ??ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
At the time, "they" said it was the most expensive pilot up to that
time, and "they" were saying it cost more than a million dollars. I
remember doubting that they'd had to build the Titanic set from
scratch, but maybe they did.
No. I¹ve seen the titanic deck set in other shows from the late
fifties/early 60s.
Post by A Friend
Perhaps Irwin Allen thought he could pad the pilot a bit and release it
as a theatrical if the show didn't sell.
Supposedly that was the plan. Stills exist from what¹s claimed to be an
ending if they wanted to release it as a movie but no script pages or
moving film. It was used as an ending for the Viewmaster!
I remember that! They had jungle vines growing inside the Tunnel!

I wish they'd try the Tunnel again, but this time with a real Tunnel
that looks like the Tunnel.
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2021-04-08 20:26:59 UTC
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it.
Of course that was before he was the legend that he is
now, so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
Nyssa, who knows more about Baroque era composers than
20th century ones
Nyssa,
CHECKMATE premiered September 17, 1960.
Before that Williams is credited as composer on several
shows, including: Playhouse 90, one episode from 1958
Daddy-O, a movie from 1958
Markham, one episode of a TV series from May 1959
M Squad, eight episodes from 1958 to 1959
Bachelor father, 44 episodes starting in February 1959
I passed for White, March 1960
Because they?re young, April 1960
Tales of Wells Fargo, three episodes starting in May 1960
?
?The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it?s still
on my list.?
Good digging on your part.
I watched maybe three of the above shows back in the olden
days, but the one I remember the most is Bachelor Father.
I don't remember the music being anything that grabbed me
though like the Checkmate theme did.
The guy has been around a long time and has only gotten
better with age.
I wish I could say the same. lol
Nyssa, who is older and wiser but not necessarily better
the
:)

I found amazing credits for Williams like he was the uncredited piano
player in HATARI! One of my favorite movies. I always wondered if Elsa
Martinelli was really playing or not.


“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
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2021-04-08 17:23:41 UTC
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it. Of
course that was before he was the legend that he is now,
so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
His first credited film score was YOU ARE WELCOME in 1954, followed by
DADDY-O in 1958. He also collaborated with Henry Mancini (in whose
orchestra Williams played piano as a session musician) on the score to
PETER GUNN.
Nyssa
2021-04-08 20:19:27 UTC
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They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel
Facebook group but I don’t know. I’ve heard big
numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never that
high.
Well, they had John Williams writing the music for it.
Of course that was before he was the legend that he is
now, so he was probably cheaper. ;-)
I've got a 45 rpm (small vinyl music disk youngsters
may not recognize) promotional record of the theme from
the TV series "Checkmate" handed out as PR to radio
stations back in the olden days. Name on the label says
it's by Johnny Williams.
That may have been his first composition for film or
TV. Anyone know of an earlier one?
His first credited film score was YOU ARE WELCOME in 1954,
followed by DADDY-O in 1958. He also collaborated with
Henry Mancini (in whose orchestra Williams played piano as
a session musician) on the score to PETER GUNN.
I've got the Peter Gunn music CD and a very old Peter
Gunn vinyl EP with some of the show's music. I'll have
to dig them out and check the credit details.

Thanks for the pointer!

Nyssa, who likes to read the fine print even when she
needs a magnifying glass to do it
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2021-04-08 06:00:58 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..
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Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.
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2021-04-08 23:36:48 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were
producing.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Lynn McGuire
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I have no context. What would an hour-long drama like a hospital show
have cost at the time?
Too bad Star Trek had no value in second-run syndication.
MeTV has an article about this. It's wrong, but interesting. Star Trek just
https://www.metv.com/lists/8-of-the-most-expensive-tv-shows-made-in-the-1960s-and-70s
They spent $500,000 on the Time Tunnel pilot?
This is embarrassing being that I run the time tunnel Facebook group but I
don’t know. I’ve heard big numbers for it, bigger than Star Trek, but never
that high. A quick Google search shows everybody using the half million
number, which is typical of Al Gore’s inter-web these days. Make a mistake
and everybody replicates it instantly..
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Lynn McGuire
You’ll find more budgets in the comments
Were the budget numbers wrong or you’re saying they left shows off the
list?
Well they’ve got Star Trek at $200,000 which was the number I objected do
in the first place. :-)
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Yeah, Star Trek’s budget in context isn’t excessive, then. Lucy was
wrong.
I am not sure what else she was making during Star Trek’s first season. If
it was Andy of Mayberry then yeah that should be cheaper.
Not a comprehensive list, but "The Lucy Show", "Mannix", and "Mission
Impossible" were in production at Desilu at that time.
And the "The Untouchables" had just finished production.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untouchables_(1959_TV_series)

She mentioned in her biography about having to go to New York City every
year to meet the shareholders in Desilu since it was a public company.

Lynn
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2021-04-09 02:39:02 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I would call those $200,000/episode.

"Lucille Ball is the reason we have 'Star Trek' — here's what happened"

https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7


"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers — overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."

Lynn
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2021-04-09 03:17:38 UTC
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. . .
BTW Lucy bought Desi out of Desilu in 1962 for $2.5 mil. She sold her
stake to Paramount six years later for $17 million.
I doubt it was undervalued at the time, and maybe that was all the cash
she could raise. I'll guess that the value was set during divorce.
I'm not sure why he wanted out of the studio as he knew what he was doing
and we've always read that Lucy and Desi made excellent business partners
even if they couldn't maintain a marriage.
In her biography, she said that Desi was drinking to excess at the time
and she could not stand it any more.
https://www.amazon.com/Desilu-Story-Lucille-Ball-Arnaz/dp/0062020013/
She also talked about the excessive costs of the Star Trek episodes at
over $200,000 each. Way more than any other show that they were producing.
Lynn
If she said that she would have been wrong.
So give me some facts.
Lynn
The pilots cost that much, but the production episodes were more like this,
and we’ve known these numbers all the way back to “the making of Star Trek”
Budget
Season one
$190,000 per episode
Season two
$185,000 per episode
Season three
$175,000 per episode
I would call those $200,000/episode.
I wouldn’t. And I certainly wouldn’t call them more than $200,000 an
episode.
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“Lucille Ball is the reason we have ‘Star Trek’ — here’s what happened”
https://www.businessinsider.com/lucille-ball-is-the-reason-we-have-star-trek-heres-what-happened-2016-7
"It was clear that the "Star Trek" pilot would be expensive to film, but
Ball — who actually believed the series was about traveling USO
performers —
So she was wrong about that too.


overruled her board of directors and got the pilot produced."
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Lynn
--
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J. Clarke
2021-04-07 21:21:25 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star Trek: Picard”
is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Check again. Paramount was Paramount and DesiLu was DesiLu until
1968. Paramount was started in 1914, Desilu in 1950. And Paramount
was a major studio from the start.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-04-07 22:07:14 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:17:09 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First
Contact Day”—the day Zefram Cochrane became the first
human to achieve warp flight and encounter the Vulcans in Star
Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart debuted an early
Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly
showing empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as
the revived Picard discussed how life does not always grant
you a second chance—the teaser closes with another familiar
voice: John DeLancie as the omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in
the first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last
year, but this will mark his first live-action return to the
role since Star Trek: Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022.
For now, check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie
below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in
the first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last
year, but this will mark his first live-action return to the
role since Star Trek: Voyager.
“The true final frontier is time. The new season of “Star
Trek: Picard” is coming 2022, exclusively on Paramount+.”
No, no, no, no, no, no ! Yes, Q is back !
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not
approve of stretching this out this far. For those who do not
know, Lucille Ball was the first CEO of Paramount when it was
commonly known as DesilLu and the first Star Trek series was
shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
Check again. Paramount was Paramount and DesiLu was DesiLu
until 1968. Paramount was started in 1914, Desilu in 1950. And
Paramount was a major studio from the start.
Star Trek, however, was a Desilu productio. (And Lucille Ball was a
real mover and shaker at the business end of television at a time
when girls weren't generally allowed in the tree house at all.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Adam H. Kerman
2021-04-07 22:34:02 UTC
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. . .
2022, are you freaking kidding me ? Lucille Ball would not approve of
stretching this out this far. For those who do not know, Lucille Ball
was the first CEO of Paramount when it was commonly known as DesilLu and
the first Star Trek series was shot on the stage next to “I Love Lucy”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions
One moment please.

Lucille Ball was NOT the first CEO of Paramount nor a Paramount executive
at any time. Paramount was one of the eight Hollywood major studios during
the 30s 40s and 50s. It had several ventures into early television and
did some television production in the 1950s but had no television
subsidiary when it bought out DesiLu.

DesiLu began as a production company only for I Love Lucy and rented its
studio space. Later, DesiLu bought out RKO facilities -- the main studio
in Hollywood and the former Pathe studio in Culver City -- and the 40
Acres back lot, also in Culver City. This gave them more studios for
production space than their competitors, mainly because they generally
weren't making movies.

A couple years after their divorce, Lucy bought out her ex-husband, so
THAT'S when she became the first woman to head a television studio.

Later, Lucy sold DesiLu to Paramount where it became Paramount
Television but Lucy was not an executive there.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-04-07 18:33:15 UTC
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De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role
Beloved? Q is one of the most annoying, pointless characters I have
ever seen in any television show that I have ever watched. Nearly as
annoying as Will Ferrel in Elf. Q is the biggest reason I stopped
watching TNG.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
tenworld
2021-04-07 21:48:02 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
--
Trump won
his "beloved NG role"? thats as ridiculous as that guy with all the fake voting conspiracies
RichA
2021-04-07 23:33:39 UTC
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Just revealed to kick off CBS’ celebration of “First Contact Day”—the
day Zefram Cochrane became the first human to achieve warp flight and
encounter the Vulcans in Star Trek: First Contact—Sir Patrick Stewart
debuted an early teaser for the currently filming second season of Star
Trek: Picard for Paramount+.
Although the trailer itself was light on new footage—mostly showing
empty shots of Chateau Picard in La Barre, France, as the revived
Picard discussed how life does not always grant you a second chance—the
teaser closes with another familiar voice: John DeLancie as the
omnipotent superbeing Q.
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
The second season of Picard is set to hit Paramount+ in 2022. For now,
check out a brief chat between Stewart and de Lancie below!
http://youtu.be/xk9F90wklRQ
De Lancie briefly reprised his beloved Next Generation role in the
first season of the animated Star Trek: Lower Decks last year, but this
Voyager.
--
Trump won
Anything to further sideline aging Picard, "desperate measures..."
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