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moviePig
2020-08-02 14:38:07 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.

Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Ed Stasiak
2020-08-02 16:25:27 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn’t be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
BTR1701
2020-08-02 17:27:03 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those companies
got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the cost of their
product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop them. Well, in this case,
the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer, so there's no justification for
charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're going
to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present proof of
vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having anything forced on me.

I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years. I never
download and install them the minute they're available. I wait a while, let
everyone else do it, report all their problems to Apple, give them time to
fix it, then a few months down the road I put it on my machine. I plan on
treating the vaccine the same way, especially since it's been rushed to
market in record time and not given the thorough vetting process that most
vaccines get.
moviePig
2020-08-02 18:08:07 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those companies
got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the cost of their
product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop them. Well, in this case,
the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer, so there's no justification for
charging anything for it.
How will you decide between the free one and the $100 one?
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're going
to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present proof of
vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having anything forced on me.
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years. I never
download and install them the minute they're available. I wait a while, let
everyone else do it, report all their problems to Apple, give them time to
fix it, then a few months down the road I put it on my machine. I plan on
treating the vaccine the same way, especially since it's been rushed to
market in record time and not given the thorough vetting process that most
vaccines get.
Re "forcing it on you", there may be resonance with compulsory
seat-belts, motorcycle helmets, etc. You should be allowed to opt out,
as long as you somehow indemnify society for the added risk to it.
suzeeq
2020-08-02 19:07:25 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those companies
got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the cost of their
product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop them. Well, in this case,
the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer, so there's no justification for
charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're going
to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present proof of
vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years. I never
download and install them the minute they're available. I wait a while, let
everyone else do it, report all their problems to Apple, give them time to
fix it, then a few months down the road I put it on my machine. I plan on
treating the vaccine the same way, especially since it's been rushed to
market in record time and not given the thorough vetting process that most
vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu. If I do,
it only lasts about 3 days instead of a week or more. Same with colds, I
get one maybe every other year or so and it lasts for only 2-3 days.
Bill Maher isn't wrong in stressing that people with healthy immune
systems is the key to not getting sick.
BTR1701
2020-08-02 20:07:26 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.

But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)

Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
suzeeq
2020-08-02 21:44:02 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 21:55:57 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
It's because vaccine is grown in chicken eggs and it takes months to
produce the vaccine. The lead time sucks.

What we need is a generalized vaccine for entire classes of viruses, but
no one is working on that. There should be a way to convey lifetime
immunity.
suzeeq
2020-08-03 00:33:07 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
It's because vaccine is grown in chicken eggs and it takes months to
produce the vaccine. The lead time sucks.
What we need is a generalized vaccine for entire classes of viruses, but
no one is working on that. There should be a way to convey lifetime
immunity.
I thought they were trying to do that with the common cold. It mutates
so fast they can't. Or there isn't just a single virus that causes it.

I've read, and believe, that we carry the cold/rhinovirus around with us
all the time. It doesn't take hold and make us sick unless we get tired,
stressed, immune system down whatever. Or get exposed to more viruses
than are around us normally.
Dimensional Traveler
2020-08-03 01:50:21 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
It's because vaccine is grown in chicken eggs and it takes months to
produce the vaccine. The lead time sucks.
What we need is a generalized vaccine for entire classes of viruses, but
no one is working on that. There should be a way to convey lifetime
immunity.
Viruses mutate way too fast (compared to us) for that to be feasible.
At least at current tech and knowledge levels.
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
moviePig
2020-08-03 02:19:24 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
It's because vaccine is grown in chicken eggs and it takes months to
produce the vaccine. The lead time sucks.
What we need is a generalized vaccine for entire classes of viruses, but
no one is working on that. There should be a way to convey lifetime
immunity.
Viruses mutate way too fast (compared to us) for that to be feasible. At
least at current tech and knowledge levels.
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-potential-universal-flu-vaccine-just-passed-its-fourth-clinical-trial
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-03 02:23:49 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
It's because vaccine is grown in chicken eggs and it takes months to
produce the vaccine. The lead time sucks.
What we need is a generalized vaccine for entire classes of viruses, but
no one is working on that. There should be a way to convey lifetime
immunity.
Viruses mutate way too fast (compared to us) for that to be feasible.
At least at current tech and knowledge levels.
The vaccine has to teach the immune system to recognize the more general
strain of virus because the individual strains are different each and
every flu season.

Maybe in 20 years...
Dimensional Traveler
2020-08-03 01:48:32 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
Flu vaccines are not based on the prevalent strain from the prior year.
They target WHO's and CDC's best estimate of the three strains that will
be predominant in the upcoming flu season. There are always multiple
strains going which is why the vaccine doesn't always help a given
individual, they got one of the other strains too far removed from the
targeted ones. Bad flu seasons are frequently because one of their
estimates turns out to be incorrect. Flu vaccines can't stop flu season
all on their own. They can reduce the volume of serious cases to a
level that we can handle, like masks.
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
suzeeq
2020-08-03 04:28:21 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
Flu vaccines are not based on the prevalent strain from the prior year.
They target WHO's and CDC's best estimate of the three strains that will
be predominant in the upcoming flu season. There are always multiple
strains going which is why the vaccine doesn't always help a given
individual, they got one of the other strains too far removed from the
targeted ones. Bad flu seasons are frequently because one of their
estimates turns out to be incorrect. Flu vaccines can't stop flu season
all on their own. They can reduce the volume of serious cases to a
level that we can handle, like masks.
I read years ago that they were based on the prevalent strain from the
southern hemisphere in their flu season that was just ending.
Dimensional Traveler
2020-08-03 05:01:57 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what
the prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is
always mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last
day or so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
Flu vaccines are not based on the prevalent strain from the prior
year. They target WHO's and CDC's best estimate of the three strains
that will be predominant in the upcoming flu season.  There are always
multiple strains going which is why the vaccine doesn't always help a
given individual, they got one of the other strains too far removed
from the targeted ones.  Bad flu seasons are frequently because one of
their estimates turns out to be incorrect.  Flu vaccines can't stop
flu season all on their own.  They can reduce the volume of serious
cases to a level that we can handle, like masks.
I read years ago that they were based on the prevalent strain from the
southern hemisphere in their flu season that was just ending.
That may be one of the inputs into WHO's and CDC's decision making, but
it can't be the only one. How would they select the target flu strains
for the southern hemisphere's vaccines? ;)
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
FPP
2020-08-03 06:46:47 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
They never made sense to me, since each year they're based on what the
prevalent strain was the year before, and since the virus is always
mutating, what good is that? And as Adam mentioned in the last day or
so, flu shots are only effective about 30% of the time.
Flu vaccines are not based on the prevalent strain from the prior year.
They target WHO's and CDC's best estimate of the three strains that will
be predominant in the upcoming flu season.  There are always multiple
strains going which is why the vaccine doesn't always help a given
individual, they got one of the other strains too far removed from the
targeted ones.  Bad flu seasons are frequently because one of their
estimates turns out to be incorrect.  Flu vaccines can't stop flu season
all on their own.  They can reduce the volume of serious cases to a
level that we can handle, like masks.
And if you DO get the flu, you're less likely to die of it's
complications if you had the vaccine.
I had the flu once... that was enough for me to get the shot every year
since.

If you've had the flu, you know it. I see people say they weren't sure
if they had the flu.
Believe me, if you had the flu, you will remember it. If you don't, you
didn't.
--
History will show when Tyranny came to the streets of America, the 3%,
Militiamen and Gun Nuts, who like to dress up as GI Joe in tactical
gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
anim8rfsk
2020-08-03 00:00:02 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those
companies got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the
high cost of their product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop
them. Well, in this case, the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer,
so there's no justification for charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to
get the shot regardless of their wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're
going to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present
proof of vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having
anything forced on me.
Agree!
Post by BTR1701
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years.
I never download and install them the minute they're available. I
wait a while, let everyone else do it, report all their problems to
Apple, give them time to fix it, then a few months down the road I
put it on my machine. I plan on treating the vaccine the same way,
especially since it's been rushed to market in record time and not
given the thorough vetting process that most vaccines get.
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu.
Because of my past job and its requirements that I travel all over the
world-- often in the shittiest parts of the world where disease runs
rampant-- I literally had every vaccine known to man. Back in 2015,
almost all of my vaccinations came up due for renewal, about a month
before I was scheduled for a trip to the Philippines, and I had to go
down to the health unit and get them all at once. I got five in one arm,
four in the other, and the next morning I could barely lift my arms up,
they ached so bad.
But I never get the flu shot. I only got it once in my entire life when
the company I worked for brought some nurses in to give them to everyone
for free. So I got it. Four days later, I was flat on my back, sicker
than I've ever been, with the flu. (And that was the only time in my
life I've ever had the flu, too.)
Doctors insist there's no possible way to get the flu from the vaccine
but if so, that was a *helluva* frakking coincidence. So I've avoided
the flu shots ever since.
Yeah, you just get 'flu symptoms' from the flu antibodies and are laid up
unable to move your arms, but it's not actually 'the flu'

One year the injection site on my left arm was literally swollen to the size
of half a hen's egg, beet red, hot to the touch, with the little band aid
covering the injection right in the center of it, and they had the temerity
to tell me that the flu shot can't do that, it must be something else.
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2020-08-02 23:37:03 UTC
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suzeeq
I haven't had a vaccine in decades and very seldom get the flu. If I do,
it only lasts about 3 days instead of a week or more. Same with colds,
I get one maybe every other year or so and it lasts for only 2-3 days.
Bill Maher isn't wrong in stressing that people with healthy immune
systems is the key to not getting sick.
Same here. I haven’t been to a doctor in years (except for the time
about 10 years back when I got my hand caught in a drill press like
a dumbass…) but I did have the flu/cold (maybe covid?) that hit me
this past Christmas Day and lasted less then a week.
FPP
2020-08-02 21:12:27 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those companies
got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the cost of their
product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop them. Well, in this case,
the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer, so there's no justification for
charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're going
to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present proof of
vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having anything forced on me.
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years. I never
download and install them the minute they're available. I wait a while, let
everyone else do it, report all their problems to Apple, give them time to
fix it, then a few months down the road I put it on my machine. I plan on
treating the vaccine the same way, especially since it's been rushed to
market in record time and not given the thorough vetting process that most
vaccines get.
These new vaccines aren't being done like the normal vaccines. Some are
using completely new methods - so, no... I wouldn't take them either.

If, on the other hand, the Trump administration says they're safe, I'll
likely change my mind - but they've got to certify they are 100% Demon
Sperm Free!
--
History will show when Tyranny came to the streets of America, the 3%,
Militiamen and Gun Nuts, who like to dress up as GI Joe in tactical
gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
anim8rfsk
2020-08-02 23:13:04 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
It better be free, considering the billions of taxpayer money those companies
got to develop the thing. Drug companies always justify the cost of their
product by saying it pays for the R&D to develop them. Well, in this case,
the R&D was paid for upfront by the taxpayer, so there's no justification for
charging anything for it.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
Which is why it's nice not to be an employee of anyone. Unless they're going
to require people to carry their 'papers' everywhere and present proof of
vaccination to buy or sell anything, I won't be having anything forced on me.
I look at it like those OS upgrades that come out every few years. I never
download and install them the minute they're available. I wait a while, let
everyone else do it, report all their problems to Apple, give them time to
fix it, then a few months down the road I put it on my machine. I plan on
treating the vaccine the same way, especially since it's been rushed to
market in record time and not given the thorough vetting process that most
vaccines get.
I'm stopped at High Sierra. After that they broke QuickTime. Idiots.
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moviePig
2020-08-02 18:01:12 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn’t be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works. Right now, I'm seeing the new vaccine as both an ethical
and a personal safety issue ...with neither clearly resolved.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 19:13:18 UTC
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. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big Lie.

I predict no one at all will die immediately.

What I predict is that some early vaccines will not be safe and
effective, and that a conservative approach might wait till those are
withdrawn from the market to receive the better ones.

I still predict that even if a vaccine is safe, it won't be any more
effective than the flu vaccine.

I also predict that economists and epidemiologists will do studies
demonstrating the obvious, that economic shutdown did more harm than
good, that massive induced poverty made disease MORE widespread and that
starvation isn't good for anybody. That delaying elective surgeries for
months made some people too sick to benefit from surgery, who then died,
and led to worse outcomes for most everyone else.

That there are real economic and health consequences because parents
weren't getting their children vaccinated.

That there are real economic consequences to keeping children out of
school.
Post by moviePig
Right now, I'm seeing the new vaccine as both an ethical
and a personal safety issue ...with neither clearly resolved.
But you never see anything clearly, and you think it's cute without
noticing everyone around you shaking his head in sadness that you
somehow reached adulthood but ar still massively immature and will only
get worse.
moviePig
2020-08-02 20:28:11 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big Lie.
I predict no one at all will die immediately.
...which doesn't contradict what I said, unless you're intellectually
challenged enough to think I actually meant people would be dropping
dead on their way home.

I think you should killfile me, to save yourself the apoplexy of being
confounded by non-literal English...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 20:37:05 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big Lie.
I predict no one at all will die immediately.
...which doesn't contradict what I said,
Only you could contradict a contradiction.
Post by moviePig
unless you're intellectually
challenged enough to think I actually meant people would be dropping
dead on their way home.
No. You didn't include actual distance.
Post by moviePig
I think you should killfile me, to save yourself the apoplexy of being
confounded by non-literal English...
You were writing in English? I had no way of knowing that.
moviePig
2020-08-02 20:54:54 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I
wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force
employees to get the shot regardless of their wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at
first, amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it,
post-puncture, before keeling over. This is, unfortunately,
one of the main ways science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big
Lie.
I predict no one at all will die immediately.
...which doesn't contradict what I said,
Only you could contradict a contradiction.
That makes no sense ...not even as whatever ongoing insult you intended.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by moviePig
unless you're intellectually challenged enough to think I actually
meant people would be dropping dead on their way home.
No. You didn't include actual distance.
Nor time (...which, pssst, happens to include "immediately").
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by moviePig
I think you should killfile me, to save yourself the apoplexy of
being confounded by non-literal English...
You were writing in English? I had no way of knowing that.
And it's clear you never will. Reconsider that killfile...
alvey
2020-08-02 21:53:03 UTC
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. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big Lie.
I predict no one at all will die immediately.
...which doesn't contradict what I said,
Only you could contradict a contradiction.
Eh? I'm contradicted.
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unless you're intellectually
challenged enough to think I actually meant people would be dropping
dead on their way home.
No. You didn't include actual distance.
That's "actual distance" as opposed to ?????. You don't get paid by the
word here Kerms.
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I think you should killfile me, to save yourself the apoplexy of being
confounded by non-literal English...
You were writing in English? I had no way of knowing that.
Hahahaha.
Oh come on Special K! Make it more difficult! This one's wayyyy too easy.



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2020-08-02 21:06:15 UTC
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. . .
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
My general fear is that "better understanding", certainly at first,
amounts to a massive tally of how far people make it, post-puncture,
before keeling over. This is, unfortunately, one of the main ways
science works.
No, it's not. This is, unfortunately, moviePig telling a Big Lie.
I predict no one at all will die immediately.
...which doesn't contradict what I said, unless you're intellectually
challenged enough to think I actually meant people would be dropping
dead on their way home.
I think you should killfile me, to save yourself the apoplexy of being
confounded by non-literal English...
myob Porky! If it's every American morons' right to not wear a mask then
surely Kermie is entitled to make a jackass of himself.



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2020-08-04 00:19:04 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better understanding
of what its side effects might be but I wouldn’t be surprised if the FedGov
forces employers to force employees to get the shot regardless of their
wishes.
You KNOW the Feds can't 'force' anybody to take a vaccine, right?
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2020-08-04 03:14:06 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to get
the shot regardless of their wishes.
You KNOW the Feds can't 'force' anybody to take a vaccine, right?
Just like they couldn't force anyone to buy health insurance...
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2020-08-04 07:02:24 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to get
the shot regardless of their wishes.
You KNOW the Feds can't 'force' anybody to take a vaccine, right?
Just like they couldn't force anyone to buy health insurance...
Yup... EXACTLY like that.
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gear, were nowhere to be seen.
But a bunch of Moms dressed in yellow, wearing bicycle helmets, stood
tall. - Rob Chappell

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
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trotsky
2020-08-04 13:08:27 UTC
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moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I plan on holding off on any vaccine until we have a better
understanding of what its side effects might be but I wouldn't be
surprised if the FedGov forces employers to force employees to get
the shot regardless of their wishes.
You KNOW the Feds can't 'force' anybody to take a vaccine, right?
Just like they couldn't force anyone to buy health insurance...
Paying an extra $95 on your taxes is being "forced"? Your mental
illness is causing you to lie again.

Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 17:21:27 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Why don't you stand in that very long line surrounded by people who
don't know they're sick, in which any number could be super spreaders,
and tell us from your ICU bed while on that respirator if the way the
government would distribute it is a good idea.
alvey
2020-08-02 20:50:25 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Why don't you stand in that very long line surrounded by people who
don't know they're sick, in which any number could be super spreaders,
and tell us from your ICU bed while on that respirator if the way the
government would distribute it is a good idea.
So, what you're saying here Kermie is that the vaccine doesn't work.



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2020-08-02 21:03:31 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Why don't you stand in that very long line surrounded by people who
don't know they're sick, in which any number could be super spreaders,
and tell us from your ICU bed while on that respirator if the way the
government would distribute it is a good idea.
So, what you're saying here Kermie is that the vaccine doesn't work.
I'll put that interpretation down as your entry in the office pool...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 21:15:52 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Why don't you stand in that very long line surrounded by people who
don't know they're sick, in which any number could be super spreaders,
and tell us from your ICU bed while on that respirator if the way the
government would distribute it is a good idea.
So, what you're saying here Kermie is that the vaccine doesn't work.
I'll put that interpretation down as your entry in the office pool...
I know what I wrote wasn't clear to you since I wrote in English.

If it's free, then that will induce an artificial shortage in
distribution. While people are waiting to receive the vaccine, they will
be close together in a large crowd in conditions that will spread disease.
alvey
2020-08-02 21:48:09 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
Why don't you stand in that very long line surrounded by people who
don't know they're sick, in which any number could be super spreaders,
and tell us from your ICU bed while on that respirator if the way the
government would distribute it is a good idea.
So, what you're saying here Kermie is that the vaccine doesn't work.
I'll put that interpretation down as your entry in the office pool...
I know what I wrote wasn't clear to you since I wrote in English.
If it's free, then that will induce an artificial shortage in
distribution.
What's the difference between an "artifical shortage" and a real one Kerms?
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While people are waiting to receive the vaccine, they will
be close together in a large crowd in conditions that will spread disease.
Right. So, what you're saying here is that the vaccine doesn't work. Thanks
for clearing that up Kermo.



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2020-08-02 18:09:20 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines.  Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question:  Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
not until we see on live TV a drawing from a random batch of the vaccine
and donald gives the shot to Barron
moviePig
2020-08-02 20:31:11 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines.  Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question:  Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
not until we see on live TV a drawing from a random batch of the vaccine
and donald gives the shot to Barron
Wait, you think King Donald won't let Barron be his "taster"?
number6
2020-08-02 20:39:39 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I'm on Medicare and it will be free ... the cost of 30 days in ICU on a ventilator
makes Medicare paying $100 for a vaccine an insurance bargain ...
moviePig
2020-08-02 20:59:15 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I'm on Medicare and it will be free ... the cost of 30 days in ICU on a ventilator
makes Medicare paying $100 for a vaccine an insurance bargain ...
There's little question, imo, that the vaccine will be a benefit bargain
for *society*. I'm just wondering about little ol' yours truly...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-02 21:22:36 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
I'm on Medicare and it will be free ... the cost of 30 days in ICU
on a ventilator makes Medicare paying $100 for a vaccine an insurance
bargain ...
There's little question, imo, that the vaccine will be a benefit bargain
for *society*. I'm just wondering about little ol' yours truly...
That's not how epidemiology works. It literally has to be both safe and
effective. If it fails to keep large numbers of people off ventilators,
then the vaccine, even though safe, caused actual harm.

Why? The massive expenditure in manufacture and distribution means that
monies for medical care weren't spent on something else that could have
been effective.

So, yeah, there's a huge question.
alvey
2020-08-02 20:52:15 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
There's a third option Pigs.... 'No difference'



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2020-08-02 21:09:16 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
There's a third option Pigs.... 'No difference'
Well, as there seems a herd of different formulations headed to market,
how might you regard the choice between the free one and the $100 one?
alvey
2020-08-02 21:56:41 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
There's a third option Pigs.... 'No difference'
Well, as there seems a herd of different formulations headed to market,
how might you regard the choice between the free one and the $100 one?
Look, I realise that madness is sweeping across your country as smoothly as
Trump's hair sweeps across his bald spots, but is there *really* anyone who
wouldn't pay a $100 to save their life?



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moviePig
2020-08-03 02:31:57 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
There's a third option Pigs.... 'No difference'
Well, as there seems a herd of different formulations headed to market,
how might you regard the choice between the free one and the $100 one?
Look, I realise that madness is sweeping across your country as smoothly as
Trump's hair sweeps across his bald spots, but is there *really* anyone who
wouldn't pay a $100 to save their life?
Amalgamating a few of the various prognostications, a possible
personal decision you'll be asked to make is whether to get the free
vaccine, or to pay extra for some allegedly "better" version, or to
consider none of them reliably safe enough ("yet").
RichA
2020-08-02 22:06:21 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
They made a big thing about side-effects of covid. Blood clots, brain impairment, loss of taste for a long time. If the vaccine is a dead vaccine, I'd say get it. If it's a live vaccine, you might want to think about it a bit.
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2020-08-03 13:06:37 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
Question: Would that make you more or less likely to get one?
They made a big thing about side-effects of covid. Blood clots, brain impairment, loss of taste for a long time. If the vaccine is a dead vaccine, I'd say get it. If it's a live vaccine, you might want to think about it a bit.
What are your medical credentials to make such a statement, asshole?
Neill Massello
2020-08-03 02:10:00 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
As the very concept of herd immunity illustrates, communicable diseases
have massive social and economic externalities. In a modern urban and
mobile society, the costs of detecting, preventing, and treating them
should be heavily subsidized by government.
moviePig
2020-08-03 13:46:45 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
As the very concept of herd immunity illustrates, communicable diseases
have massive social and economic externalities. In a modern urban and
mobile society, the costs of detecting, preventing, and treating them
should be heavily subsidized by government.
Yes. But, as Nature abhors a vacuum, it seems certain that, here in the
U.S., someone somewhere is contriving to make a killing (as it were) on
this "product" ...and with some disregard of the public's health.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-08-03 16:33:16 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
As the very concept of herd immunity illustrates, communicable diseases
have massive social and economic externalities. In a modern urban and
mobile society, the costs of detecting, preventing, and treating them
should be heavily subsidized by government.
Yes. But, as Nature abhors a vacuum, it seems certain that, here in the
U.S., someone somewhere is contriving to make a killing (as it were) on
this "product" ...and with some disregard of the public's health.
moviePig thinks there were be fraud and misrepresentation, so let's not
do widespread vaccinations at all to prevent that.

Yer a geenyous, moviePig.
moviePig
2020-08-03 18:29:56 UTC
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Motley Fool is suggesting that a COVID vaccine (expected late winter)
won't cost $100 or so like some other specialized vaccines. Instead,
they're guessing it'll be 100% free.
As the very concept of herd immunity illustrates, communicable diseases
have massive social and economic externalities. In a modern urban and
mobile society, the costs of detecting, preventing, and treating them
should be heavily subsidized by government.
Yes. But, as Nature abhors a vacuum, it seems certain that, here in the
U.S., someone somewhere is contriving to make a killing (as it were) on
this "product" ...and with some disregard of the public's health.
moviePig thinks there were be fraud and misrepresentation, so let's not
do widespread vaccinations at all to prevent that. ...
Adam thinks... (oops, my keyboard locked up...)
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