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The Panic Over 2022 Amongst the Left is Real
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BTR1701
2021-10-12 03:43:23 UTC
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New York Times: We are Republicans With a Plea: Elect Democrats in 2022

https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1447539525090168834?s=20

The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocatin
strongly for Democrats to win elections and pushing the Democrat Party agend
is simply "Democrat strategist". Fine, free country. But the media lie an
call them GOP strictly for propaganda purposes.
RichA
2021-10-12 04:06:31 UTC
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New York Times: We are Republicans With a Plea: Elect Democrats in 2022
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1447539525090168834?s=20
The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocating
strongly for Democrats to win elections and pushing the Democrat Party agenda
is simply "Democrat strategist". Fine, free country. But the media lie and
call them GOP strictly for propaganda purposes.
I like this guy's response:

Ben Shapiro
@benshapiro
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It turns out when you panic the vaxxed about working and bar the unvaxxed from working and pay everybody not to work, nobody works.
trotsky
2021-10-12 11:05:33 UTC
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New York Times: We are Republicans With a Plea: Elect Democrats in 2022
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1447539525090168834?s=20
The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocating
strongly for Democrats to win elections and pushing the Democrat Party agenda
is simply "Democrat strategist". Fine, free country. But the media lie and
call them GOP strictly for propaganda purposes.
Ben Shapiro
He's a gigantic piece of shit--perfect for you.
The Horny Goat
2021-10-12 07:49:54 UTC
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The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocating
strongly for Democrats to win elections and pushing the Democrat Party agenda
is simply "Democrat strategist". Fine, free country. But the media lie and
call them GOP strictly for propaganda purposes.
With all due respect isn't somebody who advocates voters vote Democrat
and does so him/herself not a "Democrat".

People DO chane parties and one interesting poll concerning the recent
Canadian election is that only 70-75% of voters polled ended up voting
for the party they planned on voting for when the election was called.

Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
super70s
2021-10-12 08:52:25 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.

I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.

Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
trotsky
2021-10-12 11:14:53 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
Which "crazies" are you claiming are running the DNC?
moviePig
2021-10-12 14:24:47 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
In the U.S., for the foreseeable future, any attempt to rise above our
self-sustaining two-party dumpster fire will be labeled "woke" by
bipartisan consent, and smothered in its cradle...
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-12 15:19:42 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
France never had a two-party system, so it never was a choice about
whether to get rid of it. I can't think of what country you are talking
about. The UK typically has two larger parties, with a weaker but
institutionalized third party, plus regional parties. Of course, they've
never redrawn their constituencies in centuries failing to reflect
population shifts. There can't be adverse consequences of that, right?
Post by super70s
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
Why would you watch him on TMZ? Watch him on Washington Journal on
C-SPAN, 10/6/2021.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?515079-5/washington-journal-andrew-yang-discusses-book-forward

You didn't explain his idea. He doesn't just want to eliminate the
closed primary. He wants to eliminate primaries entirely, to be replaced
with a system of rank choice voting with candidates still identified by
party labels. I'm a little unsure if there would be a second round of
voting.

He's proposing a hybrid system.
Rhino
2021-10-12 16:04:24 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
France never had a two-party system, so it never was a choice about
whether to get rid of it. I can't think of what country you are talking
about. The UK typically has two larger parties, with a weaker but
institutionalized third party, plus regional parties. Of course, they've
never redrawn their constituencies in centuries failing to reflect
population shifts. There can't be adverse consequences of that, right?
I believe you are mistaken about that, based on this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituencies_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom
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I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
Why would you watch him on TMZ? Watch him on Washington Journal on
C-SPAN, 10/6/2021.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?515079-5/washington-journal-andrew-yang-discusses-book-forward
You didn't explain his idea. He doesn't just want to eliminate the
closed primary. He wants to eliminate primaries entirely, to be replaced
with a system of rank choice voting with candidates still identified by
party labels. I'm a little unsure if there would be a second round of
voting.
He's proposing a hybrid system.
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Rhino
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-12 16:22:17 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
France never had a two-party system, so it never was a choice about
whether to get rid of it. I can't think of what country you are talking
about. The UK typically has two larger parties, with a weaker but
institutionalized third party, plus regional parties. Of course, they've
never redrawn their constituencies in centuries failing to reflect
population shifts. There can't be adverse consequences of that, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituencies_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom
Ok, ok. They get around to it on occassion. Note the population
differences.
super70s
2021-10-12 19:42:09 UTC
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I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book) that
advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
Why would you watch him on TMZ? Watch him on Washington Journal on
C-SPAN, 10/6/2021.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?515079-5/washington-journal-andrew-
yang-discusses-book-forward
You didn't explain his idea. He doesn't just want to eliminate the
closed primary. He wants to eliminate primaries entirely, to be replaced
with a system of rank choice voting with candidates still identified by
party labels. I'm a little unsure if there would be a second round of
voting.
He's proposing a hybrid system.
Maybe so, I don't really know, but he only mentioned getting rid of
closed primaries in the TMZ interview. If said he still wants to
eliminate primaries entirely during the C-SPAN interview then I'll take
your word for it.
BTR1701
2021-10-12 16:58:17 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book)
Also a slogan of 20th century communists.
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that advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
His party is free to do whatever it likes but he can't force other
parties to do it. Political parties aren't government organizations and
the government can't tell them how to run their primaries.
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Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
So were the Tea Party folks but I bet you weren't so enthusiastic about
that.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-12 18:10:52 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book)
Also a slogan of 20th century communists.
Post by super70s
that advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
His party is free to do whatever it likes but he can't force other
parties to do it. Political parties aren't government organizations and
the government can't tell them how to run their primaries.
Political parties are created by and subject to state election codes.
The primary, open or closed, is subject to state election codes. Where
have you been since the 19th century?
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Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
So were the Tea Party folks but I bet you weren't so enthusiastic about
that.
The Tea Party Movement was never a third party. I had no problem with
some of their positions, like national debt. The Koch brothers purchased
them at some point.
BTR1701
2021-10-12 18:31:53 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book)
Also a slogan of 20th century communists.
Post by super70s
that advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
His party is free to do whatever it likes but he can't force other
parties to do it. Political parties aren't government organizations and
the government can't tell them how to run their primaries.
Political parties are created by and subject to state election codes.
The primary, open or closed, is subject to state election codes. Where
have you been since the 19th century?
They're also completely entwined with political speech and any state law
that forces a party to 'say' something it doesn't want to will run smack
into the 1st Amendment.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-12 19:15:03 UTC
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Now Canada is not a 2-party state so there are more choices to vote
for (technically neither is the US but in practice none of the 3rd 4th
5th parties has a hope in hell of getting 5% of the popular vote
unlike Canada)
Many European countries realized a long time ago a dominating 2-party
system devolves into the craziest of the crazies on both sides running
the show whenever one gets into power.
I saw a piece on TMZ Live with Andrew Yang today, he's starting a new
political party called "Forward" (also the name of his new book)
Also a slogan of 20th century communists.
Post by super70s
that advocates getting rid of closed primaries to help correct the
aforementioned problem.
His party is free to do whatever it likes but he can't force other
parties to do it. Political parties aren't government organizations and
the government can't tell them how to run their primaries.
Political parties are created by and subject to state election codes.
The primary, open or closed, is subject to state election codes. Where
have you been since the 19th century?
They're also completely entwined with political speech and any state law
that forces a party to 'say' something it doesn't want to will run smack
into the 1st Amendment.
I'm not disagreeing. It's not like political parties didn't lobby for
these laws and have no trouble getting them amended as the situation
(for their own benefit) warrants.

In a state with a presidential caucus or convention, the party runs those
under rules in the state's election code. In a state with any kind of
primary for any other office, that is run by the state.

California doesn't nominate by primary, as you've explained. Did anyone
sue over that?
super70s
2021-10-12 19:53:35 UTC
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Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
So were the Tea Party folks but I bet you weren't so enthusiastic about
that.
The Tea "Party" was merely Republicans playing good cop/bad cop. These
days under Trump they don't give a shit and are only playing bad cop.

Yang's Forward Party will rise or fall on its own merits, like Teddy
Roosevelt's Progressive/Bull Moose Party which at least elected a few
Congressional and state legislative candidates even if TR couldn't get
elected president under it.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-12 19:57:16 UTC
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Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
So were the Tea Party folks but I bet you weren't so enthusiastic about
that.
The Tea "Party" was merely Republicans playing good cop/bad cop. These
days under Trump they don't give a shit and are only playing bad cop.
Yang's Forward Party will rise or fall on its own merits, like Teddy
Roosevelt's Progressive/Bull Moose Party which at least elected a few
Congressional and state legislative candidates even if TR couldn't get
elected president under it.
He had a falling out with Taft and got Wilson elected. I never had the
impression it was meant to be a movement beyond that election.
Ubiquitous
2021-10-14 11:27:35 UTC
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Of course getting traction with a new political party in the US is no
easy task but at least he's out there slugging.
So were the Tea Party folks but I bet you weren't so enthusiastic about
that.
The Tea "Party" was merely Republicans playing good cop/bad cop. These
days under Trump they don't give a shit and are only playing bad cop.
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trotsky
2021-10-12 11:03:40 UTC
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New York Times: We are Republicans With a Plea: Elect Democrats in 2022
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1447539525090168834?s=20
The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocating
strongly for Democrats
Derp, seek help. You are mentally ill. The situation here is the GOP
has turned into such a gigantic pile of shit that reasonable Repugs have
nothing left to do except vote Dem. Your mental illness, i.e. paranoid
personality disorder, doesn't even allow you to acknowledge the facts.
moviePig
2021-10-12 14:29:44 UTC
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New York Times: We are Republicans With a Plea: Elect Democrats in 2022
https://twitter.com/neontaster/status/1447539525090168834?s=20
The term for people who used to be GOP before spending their time advocating
strongly for Democrats to win elections and pushing the Democrat Party agenda
is simply "Democrat strategist". Fine, free country. But the media lie and
call them GOP strictly for propaganda purposes.
How unexpected that this criticism doesn't name any issues here, much
less answer them, but merely settles for cries of "Apostate!!!"...
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