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OT: So the anti-vax mandate issue is getting more involved in Texas.
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shawn
2021-10-12 22:12:30 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/

It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
Certainly he has the authority to mandate what happens with state
employees but it's going to get complicated with private businesses.
Especially those that do business in multiple states. First thing that
comes to mind is American Airlines and Southwest Airlines which both
either have vaccination mandates in place or plans for them to start
soon.

Hmm, reading through the article I'm surprised to see the vaccination
rate is still so low there (only about 52% fully vaccinated) while 83%
are 12 and older and thus could be vaccinated. At least the trend is
still slowly moving up on the vaccination rate. Though we are still
beating Texas with only a 46.5% fully vaccinated population. Yea, us.
:(
BTR1701
2021-10-12 22:21:06 UTC
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Post by shawn
Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is
only in reverse.

Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands i
their way:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20

PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."

Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates withou
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed uphol
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part o
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impos
vax mandates on the country.

It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparentl
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.

Maybe the Left should publish a list of which federal laws we must obey an
which we're free to ignore based on political convenience.
shawn
2021-10-12 23:21:25 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Though Biden's proposal only impacts those employed or doing business
with the federal government. Abbott is attempting to force every
business in Texas to follow his orders even if they have no
association with the state government. Of course he's also trying to
implement his rules over federal employees stationed in Texas which we
know isn't going to fly.
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed uphold
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
David Johnston
2021-10-14 08:47:14 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Though Biden's proposal only impacts those employed or doing business
with the federal government.
Actually no. Biden is now going at it through OSHA's legislatively
defined role as a regulatory authority for workplace safety.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-employer-vaccine-mandate-one-step-closer-to-reality-as-osha-submits-rule-text-to-omb-for-review
BTR1701
2021-10-15 01:04:59 UTC
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Post by shawn
Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Though Biden's proposal only impacts those employed or doing business
with the federal government.
Not true. It also impacts any business in America with 100 or more employees.
Post by shawn
Abbott is attempting to force every
business in Texas to follow his orders even if they have no
association with the state government. Of course he's also trying to
implement his rules over federal employees stationed in Texas which we
know isn't going to fly.
No different than Hawaii, which attempted a couple of years ago to utterl
ignore the Federal Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, which allows retire
federal agents to carry concealed in all 50 states, regardless of state an
local laws. The Hawaiian state government said it didn't care what federal la
said, they won't allow retired agents to legally carry in the state. They eve
went beyond retired agents and officers. They said only on-duty LEOs ca
legally carry firearms in the state and it applies to federal agents as wel
as local police. If you're not on shift and working, and you're armed, you'r
committing a felony according to Hawaii.

Of course Hawaii state officials have no authority whatsoever to tell federa
agents when and under what circumstances they can carry their issue
equipment. That is determined by federal law and each agency's specifi
policies. So far Hawaii hasn't attempted to prosecute any federal agent
either current or retired, for violation of this law, so they haven't had th
opportunity for a federal judge to explain the basic concepts of federalism t
them and to overturn their state law as void on its face.
Post by shawn
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indee
uphold
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been identifie
as illegals?
anim8rfsk
2021-10-15 02:54:39 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by shawn
Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
Post by shawn
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Though Biden's proposal only impacts those employed or doing business
with the federal government.
Not true. It also impacts any business in America with 100 or more employees.
Post by shawn
Abbott is attempting to force every
business in Texas to follow his orders even if they have no
association with the state government. Of course he's also trying to
implement his rules over federal employees stationed in Texas which we
know isn't going to fly.
No different than Hawaii, which attempted a couple of years ago to utterly
ignore the Federal Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, which allows retired
federal agents to carry concealed in all 50 states, regardless of state and
local laws. The Hawaiian state government said it didn't care what federal
law
said, they won't allow retired agents to legally carry in the state. They
even
went beyond retired agents and officers. They said only on-duty LEOs can
legally carry firearms in the state and it applies to federal agents as
well
as local police. If you're not on shift and working, and you're armed,
you're
committing a felony according to Hawaii.
Ways and means, Dano. Ways and means.
--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”
shawn
2021-10-15 09:48:03 UTC
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Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed uphold
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been identified
as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
BTR1701
2021-10-15 10:27:55 UTC
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Post by shawn
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed
uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement the
as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been identified
as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to murderer
and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up and deport them
They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder or anything. The vas
majority of cops like to see criminals off the streets (there's the occasiona
anomaly like George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come ge
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is considered
win. It was working fine until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their nose
into things because apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our ow
criminals; we need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
trotsky
2021-10-15 10:31:46 UTC
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Post by shawn
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been identified
as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops
How many have you surveyed, or are you lying again?
moviePig
2021-10-15 14:39:45 UTC
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Post by shawn
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed
uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them
as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been identified
as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to murderers
and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up and deport them.
They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder or anything. The vast
majority of cops like to see criminals off the streets (there's the occasional
anomaly like George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is considered a
win. It was working fine until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses
into things because apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own
criminals; we need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
BTR1701
2021-10-15 17:00:15 UTC
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Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.

And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
moviePig
2021-10-15 18:32:11 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by BTR1701
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
BTR1701
2021-10-15 18:46:40 UTC
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Post by moviePig
On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
moviePig
2021-10-15 19:04:41 UTC
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Post by moviePig
On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
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2021-10-15 19:14:29 UTC
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On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
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On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
moviePig
2021-10-15 19:59:49 UTC
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On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
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On Oct 12, 2021 at 4:21:25 PM PDT, "shawn"
Post by shawn
On Oct 12, 2021 at 3:12:30 PM PDT, "shawn"
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the
country, including in the states where there are attempts to oppose
them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates
without bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers
did indeed uphold mandates but it upheld the power of the *states*
to implement them as part of the powers delegated to them under the
Constitution and the 10th Amendment. Those cases actually refute the
power of the *federal government* to impose vax mandates on the
country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying
*actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like
Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states when it comes to
illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also challenging
them in court. After all if they are improper/unconstitutional then
they should be challenged in court. That said I can also understand
not wanting to make it easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't
mandated to do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have been
identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police holding on
to people identified as not being in the country legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on to
murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick them up
and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their jobs harder
or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see criminals off the
streets (there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and holding
a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only take off the streets
but boot out of the country is considered a win. It was working fine
until the 'progressive' politicians stuck their noses into things because
apparently they feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we
need to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this particular
pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate. The
fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against their
own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their illegals
is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly", or for
loitering while Mexican.
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.

You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.

Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
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On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
Wow, that's some tough talk. He's not around and you don't have the
balls to respond to me. How do you even look at yourself in the mirror?
I'm betting you're afraid of that too.
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2021-10-15 23:00:08 UTC
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an illegal
alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about "murderers,
rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for pesos to send back
home, though, might feel to the cops like a different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop. That's
why I put it in quotes, like I did 'opinion'.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an
illegal alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out
of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about
"murderers, rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for
pesos to send back home, though, might feel to the cops like a
different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop.
Drunk is a quantifiable standard, not an opinion.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an
illegal alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out
of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about
"murderers, rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for
pesos to send back home, though, might feel to the cops like a
different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop.
Drunk is a quantifiable standard, not an opinion.
*'Blood alcohol'* is a quantifiable standard ... one which likely didn't
exist when 'drunk and disorderly' was coined.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
'Murderers' specifically? How did he phrase that?
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an
illegal alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out
of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about
"murderers, rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for
pesos to send back home, though, might feel to the cops like a
different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop.
Drunk is a quantifiable standard, not an opinion.
*'Blood alcohol'* is a quantifiable standard ... one which likely didn't
exist when 'drunk and disorderly' was coined.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
'Murderers' specifically? How did he phrase that?
He doesn't 'phrase' it. He just does it to the extent that he legally can get
away with it.
trotsky
2021-10-16 09:42:54 UTC
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Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
'Murderers' specifically? How did he phrase that?
He doesn't 'phrase' it. He just does it to the extent that he legally can get
away with it.
The usual lying.
moviePig
2021-10-16 13:32:03 UTC
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On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states
defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere executive
orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their sanctuary states
when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently sanctuary states
for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it easy
for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to do so
(as in holding on to people that the police have identified
as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who have
been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to hold on
to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE could come pick
them up and deport them. They didn't think of it as making it their
jobs harder or anything. The vast majority of cops like to see
criminals off the streets (there's the occasional anomaly like
George Gascon) and holding a shitbag for another cop to come get
and not only take off the streets but boot out of the country is
considered a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive'
politicians stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need to
hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an
illegal alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out
of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols. Although
some have found creative ways around it, like the Orange Country
Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases on its website so that
friends and loved ones know when and where to pick up their inmate.
The fact that ICE can take each day's release list and run it against
their own detainer list and also know when and where to pick up their
illegals is just icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about
"murderers, rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for
pesos to send back home, though, might feel to the cops like a
different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP slithered
off into bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop.
Drunk is a quantifiable standard, not an opinion.
*'Blood alcohol'* is a quantifiable standard ... one which likely didn't
exist when 'drunk and disorderly' was coined.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
'Murderers' specifically? How did he phrase that?
He doesn't 'phrase' it. He just does it to the extent that he legally can get
away with it.
Okay, but why would he -- or anyone -- want specifically 'murderers' on
the street?
trotsky
2021-10-16 14:50:55 UTC
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He doesn't 'phrase' it. He just does it to the extent that he legally can get
away with it.
Okay, but why would he -- or anyone -- want specifically 'murderers' on
the street?
If he's lying why don't you just ask Derpshit about that?
BTR1701
2021-10-16 17:24:16 UTC
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On Oct 15, 2021 at 2:48:03 AM PDT, "shawn"
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:04:59 -0500, BTR1701
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It's also notable how leftists have no problem with
states defying *actual* federal law (as opposed to mere
executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate) with their
sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but
apparently sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are
outrageous and unconstitutional.
I don't agree with ignoring federal laws while not also
challenging them in court. After all if they are improper/
unconstitutional then they should be challenged in court.
That said I can also understand not wanting to make it
easy for ICE to do their work if they aren't mandated to
do so (as in holding on to people that the police have
identified as being here illegally.)
How exactly is ICE not mandated to hold on to people who
have been identified as illegals?
I wasn't talking about ICE. I was referring to local police
holding on to people identified as not being in the country
legally for ICE.
Believe it or not, the local cops were more than happy to
hold on to murderers and rapists and thieves so that ICE
could come pick them up and deport them. They didn't think
of it as making it their jobs harder or anything. The vast
majority of cops like to see criminals off the streets
(there's the occasional anomaly like George Gascon) and
holding a shitbag for another cop to come get and not only
take off the streets but boot out of the country is considered
a win. It was working fine until the 'progressive' politicians
stuck their noses into things because apparently they
feel that we don't have enough of our own criminals; we need
to hang on to other countries' criminals, too.
I wonder if the local cops find something inhumane about this
particular pursuit, which would make their refusal "courageous
and honorable".
Please explain in detail what is 'inhumane' about deporting an
illegal alien rapist back to his home country after he gets out
of prison.
And they're not refusing. They've been muzzled by the pols.
Although some have found creative ways around it, like the
Orange County Sheriff's Dept, which posts all jail releases
on its website so that friends and loved ones know when and
where to pick up their inmate. The fact that ICE can take each
day's release list and run it against their own detainer list
and also know when and where to pick up their illegals is just
icing on the cake.
Nope, nothing inhumane at all, *IF* we're talking only about
"murderers, rapists, and thieves". A few illegals scrambling for
pesos to send back home, though, might feel to the cops like a
different story...
Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
Why would such a person be in either place?
Afaik, you can be jailed for being "drunk and disorderly"
Which would be a crime, hence someone who's not just a campesino
'scrambling for pesos'.
You have the most uppity set of goalposts I've seen since FPP
slithered off into the bushes.
'Drunk and disorderly' is the "opinion" of the arresting cop.
Drunk is a quantifiable standard, not an opinion.
*'Blood alcohol'* is a quantifiable standard ... one which likely didn't
exist when 'drunk and disorderly' was coined.
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or for loitering while Mexican.
Yeah, I'm sure our hispanic sheriff named Villanueva is running a
department that's jailing people merely for being Mexican.
Put the card back in the deck. No one's buying what you're selling.
...just as *I'm* sure that "pols" go out of their way to keep
specifically "murderers, rapists, and thieves" prowling the streets.
Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
'Murderers' specifically? How did he phrase that?
He doesn't 'phrase' it. He just does it to the extent that he legally can
get away with it.
Okay, but why would he -- or anyone -- want specifically 'murderers' on
the street?
You're asking me to explain insanity. Newsom is busy releasing murderers
from prison, tooo. Gascon is rabidly anti-capitalist. He believes
American society is fundamentally corrupt and immoral and that flooding
the city with criminals is one way of undermining our basic way of life.
trotsky
2021-10-16 09:22:05 UTC
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Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison
Prove it you motherfucking piece of shit liar.
The Horny Goat
2021-10-16 17:29:41 UTC
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Well, Newsom specifically is letting murderers out of prison now that
there are no low-level offenders left to release and Gascon openly says
he doesn't believe in sending people to prison and acts accordingly so...
I feel the same way though my definition of such crimes is undoubtedly
different than the esteemed governor! (I'm talking about capital
offenses....)
The Horny Goat
2021-10-16 17:26:36 UTC
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Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
That was my question as well though in my jurisdiction there's the
provincial jail (sentences under 2 yrs) and federal penitentiary
(sentences over 2 years).

Since there are certain types of offences where the provincial jails
have better programs than the feds (addiction treatment notably)
judges will often sentence "two years less a day" when the offence if
appropriate and the judge feels access to provincial programs is
important for the offender.

Being sentenced to exactly two years is around here calling "sending a
message"
BTR1701
2021-10-16 18:01:39 UTC
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Why would an illegal 'scrambling for pesos' be locked up in the
penitentiary?
Is 'jail' the same as 'penitentiary'?
That was my question as well though in my jurisdiction there's the
provincial jail (sentences under 2 yrs) and federal penitentiary
(sentences over 2 years).
There's no functional difference in California. Ever since a federal
judge ordered the state to de-crowd its prisons, the state has forced
the county jails to house prisoners who would otherwise be in the state
penitentiary.

Of course Newsom 'solved' the prison crowding problem when he took
office by basically throwing open the prison doors and letting thousands
just walk free. And he's on track to release 70,000 more in the next two
years who have been specifically convicted of violent crimes, to include
rapists and murders.

Progress!

trotsky
2021-10-13 11:54:35 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed uphold
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
Maybe the Left should publish a list of which federal laws we must obey and
which we're free to ignore based on political convenience.
"But but but my rights to spread disease and help cause death to others!!!"
trotsky
2021-10-13 11:55:53 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
I agree that Abbott may be overstepping here. He's doing just what Biden is,
only in reverse.
Here's Circle Back Psaki saying they'll steamroll any state that stands in
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1447991560176603137?s=20
PSAKI: "Our intention is to implement these requirements across the country,
including in the states where there are attempts to oppose them."
Note she also disingenuously cites legal precedent for vax mandates without
bothering to mention that the very cases to which she refers did indeed uphold
mandates but it upheld the power of the *states* to implement them as part of
the powers delegated to them under the Constitution and the 10th Amendment.
Those cases actually refute the power of the *federal government* to impose
vax mandates on the country.
It's also notable how leftists have no problem with states defying *actual*
federal law (as opposed to mere executive orders, like Biden's vax mandate)
with their sanctuary states when it comes to illegal aliens but apparently
sanctuary states for the unvaxxed are outrageous and unconstitutional.
Maybe the Left should publish a list of which federal laws we must obey and
which we're free to ignore based on political convenience.
To me vax and mask mandates are like speed limits, for the safety of
all. To you you just imagine you're being anally violated or something.
You should just skip the middle part.
moviePig
2021-10-12 23:10:56 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
Certainly he has the authority to mandate what happens with state
employees but it's going to get complicated with private businesses.
Especially those that do business in multiple states. First thing that
comes to mind is American Airlines and Southwest Airlines which both
either have vaccination mandates in place or plans for them to start
soon.
Hmm, reading through the article I'm surprised to see the vaccination
rate is still so low there (only about 52% fully vaccinated) while 83%
are 12 and older and thus could be vaccinated. At least the trend is
still slowly moving up on the vaccination rate. Though we are still
beating Texas with only a 46.5% fully vaccinated population. Yea, us.
:(
The trend is moving up only because they can't undo vaccinations...
shawn
2021-10-12 23:23:21 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
Certainly he has the authority to mandate what happens with state
employees but it's going to get complicated with private businesses.
Especially those that do business in multiple states. First thing that
comes to mind is American Airlines and Southwest Airlines which both
either have vaccination mandates in place or plans for them to start
soon.
Hmm, reading through the article I'm surprised to see the vaccination
rate is still so low there (only about 52% fully vaccinated) while 83%
are 12 and older and thus could be vaccinated. At least the trend is
still slowly moving up on the vaccination rate. Though we are still
beating Texas with only a 46.5% fully vaccinated population. Yea, us.
:(
The trend is moving up only because they can't undo vaccinations...
True. I could at least understand why someone like Anim8r might choose
to not have gone through his vaccination, if that were a choice, but I
think there are quite a few others that have bought into the
conspiracies that might do the same, given the choice.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-10-13 00:54:29 UTC
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Post by shawn
Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
Post by moviePig
Post by shawn
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
Certainly he has the authority to mandate what happens with state
employees but it's going to get complicated with private businesses.
Especially those that do business in multiple states. First thing that
comes to mind is American Airlines and Southwest Airlines which both
either have vaccination mandates in place or plans for them to start
soon.
Hmm, reading through the article I'm surprised to see the vaccination
rate is still so low there (only about 52% fully vaccinated) while 83%
are 12 and older and thus could be vaccinated. At least the trend is
still slowly moving up on the vaccination rate. Though we are still
beating Texas with only a 46.5% fully vaccinated population. Yea, us.
:(
The trend is moving up only because they can't undo vaccinations...
True. I could at least understand why someone like Anim8r might choose
to not have gone through his vaccination, if that were a choice, but I
think there are quite a few others that have bought into the
conspiracies that might do the same, given the choice.
I got vaxxed AND I know there are conspiracies!
ZZyXX
2021-10-13 19:34:51 UTC
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Gov. Abbott has clearly been against mandates on vaccination but now
it's going to get interesting as I expect multiple law suits will
follow his latest action. Which is to ban any mandate for vaccination
including at private businesses.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/11/texas-greg-abbott-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
Certainly he has the authority to mandate what happens with state
employees but it's going to get complicated with private businesses.
Especially those that do business in multiple states. First thing that
comes to mind is American Airlines and Southwest Airlines which both
either have vaccination mandates in place or plans for them to start
soon.
Hmm, reading through the article I'm surprised to see the vaccination
rate is still so low there (only about 52% fully vaccinated) while 83%
are 12 and older and thus could be vaccinated. At least the trend is
still slowly moving up on the vaccination rate. Though we are still
beating Texas with only a 46.5% fully vaccinated population. Yea, us.
:(
interesting that the state has MANDATORY vaccination requirements to
register/attend childcare and pre-K facilities

https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/immunize/school/pdf/6-15-2021-2022-Minimum-Requirement-Child-Care-PreK.pdf



https://www.disabilityrightstx.org/en/handout/required-documents-for-school-enrollment-in-texas/

If you are the parent of a student with a disability and you are trying
to help your child gain reentry to school in Texas, there are certain
documents that are required for enrollment. The documents you will need are:

Birth certificate or other proof of your child’s identity
Report card and/or transcript from the last school your child attended
Current immunization record
Proof of residency – could be a lease, utility bill with address and
parent or guardian’s name, recently paid rent receipt, or most recent
tax receipt showing home ownership
Ed Stasiak
2021-10-16 00:31:14 UTC
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shawn
It's an interesting decision as it certainly goes against the general
thought of keeping the government out of what private businesses do.
The government regulates businesses in all kinda ways and it’s the
government’s job is protect the citizenry, especially from bazillion
dollar Wall Street corporations.

You remember them, right? The guys that Occupy Wall Street were
so opposed to but nowadays, can’t stop fellating…

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