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"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
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thinbluemime2
2020-11-24 02:53:05 UTC
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"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19









film at 11, from the morgue ...



Public health officials and drugmakers must be transparent about the
side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a
coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC
advisors as states prepare to distribute doses as early as next month.

Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association noted that both
Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at varying
intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries whether her
patients will come back for a second dose because of the potentially
unpleasant side effects they may experience after the first shot.

“They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going
to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second dose.”

Participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials told
CNBC in September that they were experiencing high fever, body aches,
bad headaches, daylong exhaustion and other symptoms after receiving the
shots.



Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine
shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’
PUBLISHED MON, NOV 23 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-vaccine-cdc-should-warn-people-the-side-effects-from-shots-wont-be-walk-in-the-park-.html
moviePig
2020-11-24 03:33:16 UTC
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"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
Public health officials and drugmakers must be transparent about the
side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a
coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC
advisors as states prepare to distribute doses as early as next month.
Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association noted that both
Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at varying
intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries whether her
patients will come back for a second dose because of the potentially
unpleasant side effects they may experience after the first shot.
“They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going
to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second dose.”
Participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials told
CNBC in September that they were experiencing high fever, body aches,
bad headaches, daylong exhaustion and other symptoms after receiving the
shots.
Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine
shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’
PUBLISHED MON, NOV 23 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-vaccine-cdc-should-warn-people-the-side-effects-from-shots-wont-be-walk-in-the-park-.html
Not a side effect, just showing you what you're protected from.
FPP
2020-11-24 07:11:25 UTC
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"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
Public health officials and drugmakers must be transparent about the
side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a
coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC
advisors as states prepare to distribute doses as early as next month.
Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association noted that
both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at
varying intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries
whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of the
potentially unpleasant side effects they may experience after the
first shot.
“They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not
going to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second
dose.”
Participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials told
CNBC in September that they were experiencing high fever, body aches,
bad headaches, daylong exhaustion and other symptoms after receiving
the shots.
Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine
shots won’t be ‘a walk in the park’
PUBLISHED MON, NOV 23 2020
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-vaccine-cdc-should-warn-people-the-side-effects-from-shots-wont-be-walk-in-the-park-.html
Not a side effect, just showing you what you're protected from.
No shit... you get to feel what symptoms from a *mild* case are, you
won't want to stick around for the full treatment.

"Both companies acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side
effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild Covid-19, such
as muscle pain, chills and headache."

Just put a disclaimer out that a REAL case of Covid is like this...
times a hundred. Or just waterboard them to simulate what it feels like
not to be able to breath.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-24 23:08:52 UTC
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thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
moviePig
2020-11-24 23:47:30 UTC
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thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-24 23:56:05 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?

Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
FPP
2020-11-25 03:18:56 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Nobody I know changed their mind because of the election, Ed. Everybody
just said we can't trust a fucking guy who's lied 25,000 times already.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-25 03:44:32 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-11-25 03:55:30 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
Is there too much political din for you in medical journals?
moviePig
2020-11-25 15:13:11 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
Is there too much political din for you in medical journals?
Not usually, afaics, though your point seems, umm, a private one...
Barry Margolin
2020-11-25 04:35:49 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
I trust the scientists not to let the politics bias them. What do they
have to gain?
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
FPP
2020-11-25 08:14:04 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
I trust the scientists not to let the politics bias them. What do they
have to gain?
Some people actually think that because THEY believe whatever their side
tells them - EVERYBODY believes what their own side says.

They don't understand that others listen to doctors and scientists over
Reality TV Show hosts.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
EGK
2020-11-25 15:45:12 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
I trust the scientists not to let the politics bias them. What do they
have to gain?
LOL seriously? most research grants come from the government not private
grants. It's just another case of "follow the money".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politicization_of_science
trotsky
2020-11-26 16:54:28 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
So you’re going to be second in line behind FPP?
Seeing as Biden won the election so now the vaccine is totally safe, right?
Meanwhile, some of us may actually be trying to decide about the vaccine
itself, striving somehow to hear beneath the political din...
I trust the scientists not to let the politics bias them. What do they
have to gain?
LOL seriously? most research grants come from the government not private
grants.
Do you have a cite for your fake news?
BTR1701
2020-11-25 00:14:03 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
FPP
2020-11-25 03:19:53 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
All new medicine's long-term effects are unknown, you fucking idiot.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
T***@agent.com
2020-11-25 11:45:34 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
All new medicine's long-term effects are unknown, you fucking idiot.
In the long term so many variables come into play it is difficult to
link them to any one exposure unless you are a trial lawyer.
moviePig
2020-11-25 03:48:40 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
But it doesn't seem a stretch to suppose that a vaccine's negative
effects would resemble Covid ...which you'll eventually get without one.
FPP
2020-11-25 04:06:59 UTC
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Post by moviePig
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?  Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
But it doesn't seem a stretch to suppose that a vaccine's negative
effects would resemble Covid ...which you'll eventually get without one.
Symptoms don't kill 260,000 people. The virus did.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
RichA
2020-11-25 22:29:55 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by moviePig
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Whose long-term effects FPP insists are completely unknown even among the
young and relatively immune. But now that it's a vaccine giving you these
symptoms it's all a-okay.
But it doesn't seem a stretch to suppose that a vaccine's negative
effects would resemble Covid ...which you'll eventually get without one.
Remember in the Middle Ages, if you had a toothache, they'd jam a nail into your gums and that pain would make you forget about the toothache? The old series on Henry the VIII on PBS mention it.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-11-25 00:45:41 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Jesus you're an idiot. The disease can be fatal to quite a large number
of people.
Post by moviePig
So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
If the vaccine is safe but not effective, that can be quite risky
indeed. See if you can figure out why.
moviePig
2020-11-25 03:50:27 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.
Jesus you're an idiot. ...
Maybe, but I'll wait for the verdict from sentients...
T***@agent.com
2020-11-25 11:42:00 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease. Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
moviePig
2020-11-25 15:22:44 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease. Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
Yeah, unless you're blessed with having only a few absolute priorities
(like staying out of the brig) these are seldom trivial decisions.
thinbluemime2
2020-11-25 15:42:57 UTC
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thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?  Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.  So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease.  Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
Yeah, unless you're blessed with having only a few absolute priorities
(like staying out of the brig) these are seldom trivial decisions.
Nov 8, 2002 (CIDRAP News) – The Pentagon's mandatory anthrax shots
caused adverse reactions in most recipients and helped prompt many Air
Force Reserve and Air National Guard members to transfer to other units
or leave the military between 1998 and 2000, according to a survey by
Congress's General Accounting Office (GAO).

The survey indicated that 85% of troops who received an anthrax shot had
an adverse reaction, a rate far higher than the 30% claimed by the
manufacturer in 2000, when the survey was conducted. Sixteen percent of
the survey respondents had either left the military or changed their
status, at least in part because of the vaccination program.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2002/11/gao-military-anthrax-shots-caused-many-reactions-prompted-some-pilots-quit



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Barry Margolin
2020-11-26 20:25:14 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease. Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
How do you now that? Wouldn't it depend on where you were deployed?
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
suzeeq
2020-11-27 03:51:40 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease. Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
How do you now that? Wouldn't it depend on where you were deployed?
But when you're given the shots, you don't know where you're going to be.
moviePig
2020-11-27 15:46:40 UTC
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thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?  Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's.  So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease.  Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
How do you now that? Wouldn't it depend on where you were deployed?
But when you're given the shots, you don't know where you're going to be.
Sick bay...
Barry Margolin
2020-11-27 22:01:16 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
It seems unlikely that the vaccine's possible side effects would exceed
the disease's. So, unless you see a route to somehow never contracting
Covid, the vaccine sounds like the lesser risk.
The Navy made me get Yellow Fever shots. They made me sick as hell for
24 hours but I never got the disease. Of course, I never would have
anyhow.
How do you now that? Wouldn't it depend on where you were deployed?
But when you're given the shots, you don't know where you're going to be.
I was questioning your statement: "I never would have anyhow."

If you were deployed somewhere that yellow fever is common, you would
have had a good chance of getting it.

Maybe they could have waited until you were deployed to those places.
I've never been in the military, but I understand that you don't always
get much warning before deployments, so that could introduce an
unnecessary delay.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
FPP
2020-11-25 03:17:48 UTC
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thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are? Meanwhile, Biden
is going to force employers to force their employees to get the vaccine
shot or lose their job.
Death is pretty long term too...
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Barry Margolin
2020-11-25 04:34:42 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
thinbluemime CAN"T KEEP A GOOD MIME DOWN
"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative? People are dying at an increasing rate, we can't
wait for multi-year trials to determine the long-term effects.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-25 20:11:39 UTC
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Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Jim G.
2020-11-25 21:27:32 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Heh. Well, that was easy. I'm surprised that it was beyond Barry's
imagination.
--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really glad we're at this place in our relationship where we can
dig up graves together without having to talk." -- Major Lillywhite, iZOMBIE
FPP
2020-11-25 21:49:24 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-25 22:15:19 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
FPP
2020-11-25 22:32:31 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms. I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.

If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door. But it was always MY choice.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-25 22:41:54 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
T***@agent.com
2020-11-26 11:36:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
You must never have served in the military. I understand in certain
labs you need to have be vaccinated, like for instance a rabies lab.
moviePig
2020-11-26 14:43:36 UTC
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Post by T***@agent.com
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
You must never have served in the military. I understand in certain
labs you need to have be vaccinated, like for instance a rabies lab.
Well, it's true that both rabies and Covid are 99-percenters, just
oppositely. Are you saying that it's an employer-liability issue?
T***@agent.com
2020-11-26 16:11:05 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by T***@agent.com
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
You must never have served in the military. I understand in certain
labs you need to have be vaccinated, like for instance a rabies lab.
Well, it's true that both rabies and Covid are 99-percenters, just
oppositely. Are you saying that it's an employer-liability issue?
Don't ask me to explain why the military has their vaccination
requirements. As far as a biohazzard lab worker it makes sense to
protect them against the pathogens they are working with. I doubt a
case brought challenging the requirement would stand much of a chance.

BTW, what is a "99-percenter"?
moviePig
2020-11-26 17:06:01 UTC
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Post by T***@agent.com
Post by moviePig
Post by T***@agent.com
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
You must never have served in the military. I understand in certain
labs you need to have be vaccinated, like for instance a rabies lab.
Well, it's true that both rabies and Covid are 99-percenters, just
oppositely. Are you saying that it's an employer-liability issue?
Don't ask me to explain why the military has their vaccination
requirements. As far as a bio-hazard lab worker it makes sense to
protect them against the pathogens they are working with. I doubt a
case brought challenging the requirement would stand much of a chance.
BTW, what is a "99-percenter"?
(With regard to survival/mortality, both diseases score near "99%".)

I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.

So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
trotsky
2020-11-26 17:17:17 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by T***@agent.com
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
You must never have served in the military.  I understand in certain
labs you need to have be vaccinated, like for instance a rabies lab.
Well, it's true that both rabies and Covid are 99-percenters, just
oppositely.  Are you saying that it's an employer-liability issue?
Don't ask me to explain why the military has their vaccination
requirements. As far as a bio-hazard lab worker it makes sense to
protect them against the pathogens they are working with. I doubt a
case brought challenging the requirement would stand much of a chance.
BTW, what is a "99-percenter"?
(With regard to survival/mortality, both diseases score near "99%".)
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
BTR1701
2020-11-26 18:23:01 UTC
Permalink
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
FPP
2020-11-26 20:59:22 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
Stupid, as usual: 11-9-20

"Bamlanivimab is not authorized for patients who are hospitalized due to
COVID-19 or require oxygen therapy due to COVID-19. A benefit of
bamlanivimab treatment has not been shown in patients hospitalized due
to COVID-19. Monoclonal antibodies, such as bamlanivimab, may be
associated with worse clinical outcomes when administered to
hospitalized patients with COVID-19 requiring high flow oxygen or
mechanical ventilation."

Sounds grate!

"It is possible that bamlanivimab could interfere with your body's own
ability to fight off a future infection of SARS-CoV2. Similarly,
bamlanivimab may reduce your body’s immune response to a vaccine for
SARS-CoV-2."
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
trotsky
2020-11-27 15:56:15 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
Stupid, as usual:  11-9-20
"Bamlanivimab is not authorized for patients who are hospitalized due to
COVID-19 or require oxygen therapy due to COVID-19. A benefit of
bamlanivimab treatment has not been shown in patients hospitalized due
to COVID-19. Monoclonal antibodies, such as bamlanivimab, may be
associated with worse clinical outcomes when administered to
hospitalized patients with COVID-19 requiring high flow oxygen or
mechanical ventilation."
Sounds grate!
"It is possible that bamlanivimab could interfere with your body's own
ability to fight off a future infection of SARS-CoV2. Similarly,
bamlanivimab may reduce your body’s immune response to a vaccine for
SARS-CoV-2."
Thanny's giving retarded assholes a bad name.
trotsky
2020-11-27 15:48:01 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
You have pet names for it like "Wuhan flu" and suddenly you're the
expert? Go fuck yourself dickstain.
trotsky
2020-11-27 15:51:14 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
Oh, and so we're clear: an emergency use authorization isn't a
"treatment". So you lied again, dickstain. Now go fuck yourself like I
told you in the first fucking place.
BTR1701
2020-11-27 17:34:40 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
Oh, and so we're clear: an emergency use authorization isn't a
"treatment".
Yes, it's a treatment. The doctors call it a treatment. Should I listen
to them or some misanthropic homophobic whale on the internet? Such a
dilemma...
FPP
2020-11-27 22:07:43 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by trotsky
Post by BTR1701
Not exactly. Rabies is treatable, and if treated before symptoms appear
it is survivable. Covid has no treatment.
Wrong as usual, Hutt, you miserable canker.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-
update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19
Oh, and so we're clear: an emergency use authorization isn't a
"treatment".
Yes, it's a treatment. The doctors call it a treatment. Should I listen
to them or some misanthropic homophobic whale on the internet? Such a
dilemma...
Why start now?
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-27 00:57:31 UTC
Permalink
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
moviePig
2020-11-27 03:11:34 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate. Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
Barry Margolin
2020-11-27 21:58:29 UTC
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Post by moviePig
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate. Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
The "logic" is that there are many people with unfounded fears of
vaccines. If you leave it up to the public to decide whether to get the
vaccine, not enough of them will do it, and we won't be able to
eradicate the disease.

Polio and smallpox were eradicated because just about everyone gets the
vaccine as a child. And why do most parents get their kids vaccinated?
Because they're required to.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
moviePig
2020-11-27 22:15:47 UTC
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Post by Barry Margolin
Post by moviePig
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate. Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
The "logic" is that there are many people with unfounded fears of
vaccines. If you leave it up to the public to decide whether to get the
vaccine, not enough of them will do it, and we won't be able to
eradicate the disease.
Polio and smallpox were eradicated because just about everyone gets the
vaccine as a child. And why do most parents get their kids vaccinated?
Because they're required to.
I'd hesitate to decide for any otherwise competent, informed individual
that his fears are "unfounded". And, while I understand the
'eradication' argument, I don't think anyone's making it regarding,
e.g., vaccines for the flu, which Covid somewhat resembles.
FPP
2020-11-27 22:24:33 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Barry Margolin
Post by moviePig
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying?  You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate.  Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
The "logic" is that there are many people with unfounded fears of
vaccines. If you leave it up to the public to decide whether to get the
vaccine, not enough of them will do it, and we won't be able to
eradicate the disease.
Polio and smallpox were eradicated because just about everyone gets the
vaccine as a child. And why do most parents get their kids vaccinated?
Because they're required to.
I'd hesitate to decide for any otherwise competent, informed individual
that his fears are "unfounded".  And, while I understand the
'eradication' argument, I don't think anyone's making it regarding,
e.g., vaccines for the flu, which Covid somewhat resembles.
They were founded on a study by a fraud and a liar, pig. He's been
utterly repudiated.

"The doctor whose study triggered a collapse in public confidence in the
combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine told a disciplinary
panel last week that he made up details of his son’s birthday party—at
which he took blood samples from several children—when giving a speech
in California.

Andrew Wakefield was one of the authors of the 1998 Lancet paper on
inflammatory bowel disease and autism. He is now facing a General
Medical Council fitness to practise panel, accused of serious
professional misconduct, alongside two other authors of the study, Simon
Murch and John Walker-Smith."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323045/

Vaccines are indeed safe;

"Here's a look at some of the data behind vaccine safety and effectiveness:

Over the past two decades, childhood vaccines have saved the lives of
732,000 U.S. children and prevented more than 300 million kids from
getting sick, according to a 2014 study from the CDC. Nearly 90 percent
of vaccine side effects are not serious, according to the CDC."

https://www.livescience.com/57488-vaccine-safety-numbers.html
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-27 22:37:33 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by Barry Margolin
Post by moviePig
moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying?  You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate.  Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
The "logic" is that there are many people with unfounded fears of
vaccines. If you leave it up to the public to decide whether to get the
vaccine, not enough of them will do it, and we won't be able to
eradicate the disease.
Polio and smallpox were eradicated because just about everyone gets the
vaccine as a child. And why do most parents get their kids vaccinated?
Because they're required to.
I'd hesitate to decide for any otherwise competent, informed
individual that his fears are "unfounded".  And, while I understand
the 'eradication' argument, I don't think anyone's making it
regarding, e.g., vaccines for the flu, which Covid somewhat resembles.
They were founded on a study by a fraud and a liar, pig.  He's been
utterly repudiated.
"The doctor whose study triggered a collapse in public confidence in the
combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine told a disciplinary
panel last week that he made up details of his son’s birthday party—at
which he took blood samples from several children—when giving a speech
in California.
Andrew Wakefield was one of the authors of the 1998 Lancet paper on
inflammatory bowel disease and autism. He is now facing a General
Medical Council fitness to practise panel, accused of serious
professional misconduct, alongside two other authors of the study, Simon
Murch and John Walker-Smith."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323045/
Vaccines are indeed safe;
Over the past two decades, childhood vaccines have saved the lives of
732,000 U.S. children and prevented more than 300 million kids from
getting sick, according to a 2014 study from the CDC.  Nearly 90 percent
of vaccine side effects are not serious, according to the CDC."
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vaccine-safety-numbers.html
I'm not arguing that vaccines aren't relatively safe. But, e.g.,
neither will I try to outlaw vegans, despite studies showing they suffer
50% more bone-fractures. If you've heard the risks, and if any effect
on others is minimal, then it's *your* choice...
suzeeq
2020-11-27 23:25:49 UTC
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I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
If a vaccine's widely available, then no, I don't understand the logic
of such a mandate. Has Biden issued one, or promised to?
The "logic" is that there are many people with unfounded fears of
vaccines. If you leave it up to the public to decide whether to get the
vaccine, not enough of them will do it, and we won't be able to
eradicate the disease.
Polio and smallpox were eradicated because just about everyone gets the
vaccine as a child. And why do most parents get their kids vaccinated?
Because they're required to.
I'd hesitate to decide for any otherwise competent, informed
individual that his fears are "unfounded". And, while I understand
the 'eradication' argument, I don't think anyone's making it
regarding, e.g., vaccines for the flu, which Covid somewhat resembles.
They were founded on a study by a fraud and a liar, pig. He's been
utterly repudiated.
"The doctor whose study triggered a collapse in public confidence in
the combined measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine told a
disciplinary panel last week that he made up details of his son’s
birthday party—at which he took blood samples from several
children—when giving a speech in California.
Andrew Wakefield was one of the authors of the 1998 Lancet paper on
inflammatory bowel disease and autism. He is now facing a General
Medical Council fitness to practise panel, accused of serious
professional misconduct, alongside two other authors of the study,
Simon Murch and John Walker-Smith."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323045/
Vaccines are indeed safe;
"Here's a look at some of the data behind vaccine safety and
Over the past two decades, childhood vaccines have saved the lives of
732,000 U.S. children and prevented more than 300 million kids from
getting sick, according to a 2014 study from the CDC. Nearly 90
percent of vaccine side effects are not serious, according to the CDC."
https://www.livescience.com/57488-vaccine-safety-numbers.html
I'm not arguing that vaccines aren't relatively safe. But, e.g.,
neither will I try to outlaw vegans, despite studies showing they suffer
50% more bone-fractures. If you've heard the risks, and if any effect
on others is minimal, then it's *your* choice...
Bone fractures aren't communicable, neither is veganism.

FPP
2020-11-27 04:16:34 UTC
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moviePig
I understand the sensibility of *strongly recommending* a Covid
vaccination, but, in my subjective opinion, there remains adequate
justification for leaving the decision to to the individual. I.e.,
someone who declines the shot isn't necessarily stark raving mad ...nor
does he endanger others, who have the same option to protect themselves.
So, the notion/fear of being *forced* to comply makes no sense to me...
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
Biden can't do that. Why are you droning on about something that can't
possibly happen?
Get a grip.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-27 14:16:15 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
Biden can't do that. Why are you droning on about something that can't
possibly happen?
Sure he can, the FedGov has all kinda powers over employers to force this
and you said yourself that employers can demand anything of their peasants…
I mean, employees, who should just bend over and take it.
FPP
2020-11-27 15:00:30 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
I don’t understand what you’re saying? You claim that people ought
to make their own decision about getting/not getting the vaccination,
then turn around and say you don’t understand why people fear a nation
wide mandate from Biden forcing Americans to get an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and being homeless?
Biden can't do that. Why are you droning on about something that can't
possibly happen?
Sure he can, the FedGov has all kinda powers over employers to force this
and you said yourself that employers can demand anything of their peasants…
I mean, employees, who should just bend over and take it.
Employers, yup. The gub'mint, nope.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Barry Margolin
2020-11-26 20:30:04 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
If their employees get sick, it costs them money. And they're probably
subsidizing the employees' health insurance.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
moviePig
2020-11-27 15:53:00 UTC
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Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
If their employees get sick, it costs them money. And they're probably
subsidizing the employees' health insurance.
Yes, that'd be a coherent rationale ...though I'm not sure actual
numbers would support it, so I'd be suspicious of it as a true motive.
FPP
2020-11-27 22:09:43 UTC
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Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
If their employees get sick, it costs them money. And they're probably
subsidizing the employees' health insurance.
Yes, that'd be a coherent rationale ...though I'm not sure actual
numbers would support it, so I'd be suspicious of it as a true motive.
Out Insurance premiums were always DIRECTLY related to how much we used
them.
That's the way the system works.

If the costs go up for the last year, your premiums go up NEXT year. Or
so it was for as long as I can remember.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-27 22:43:52 UTC
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Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
What Ed wants is to have his job on his terms.  I worked for 43 years at
one company, and never once had that luxury.
If I didn't want to follow the company's policies, the only choice I had
was the door.  But it was always MY choice.
But, civil-rights issues completely aside, I still don't see a practical
motive for, say, an employer enforcing vaccination.
If their employees get sick, it costs them money. And they're probably
subsidizing the employees' health insurance.
Yes, that'd be a coherent rationale ...though I'm not sure actual
numbers would support it, so I'd be suspicious of it as a true motive.
Out Insurance premiums were always DIRECTLY related to how much we used
them.
That's the way the system works.
If the costs go up for the last year, your premiums go up NEXT year.  Or
so it was for as long as I can remember.
That's an interesting feedback-model. It sounds almost like trying to
get employees to monitor each other for insurance abuses. (Not
necessarily a bad thing ...cries of "Hitler youth!" notwithstanding.)
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-26 13:15:01 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.

But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.

So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
FPP
2020-11-26 13:53:34 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
Nope. Not what you were told at all. Try again.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
FPP
2020-11-26 13:54:19 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
Nope. Nobody's made that claim, either. Strike 2.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
FPP
2020-11-26 13:57:24 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
That's strike 3, and you're out.

2000 - Bill Clinton balances the budget and leaves Bush a surplus.
You're welcome!

2008 - Bush crashed the word economy, and left it for the Dems to fix.
Obama and Biden fixed it for you - you're welcome!

2016 - Trump inherits a great economy, then lets Covid shut everything
down.

And it's not "Orange Man bad"... it's Orange Man THE worst. Ever.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-26 14:37:58 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
Again, I don't see the practical motive here to *force* anyone.
FPP
2020-11-27 04:23:24 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
Again, I don't see the practical motive here to *force* anyone.
Ed lives in a Fox News, Newsmax, OANN world, where THEY tell him what
Democrats say, without bothering to actually find out what Democrats are
saying.

Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.

On the other hand, if it was Trump and his Merrie Band of Ass Kissing
Liars, they'd wait until someone with credibility verified it was both
safe and effective.

Why? Because you don't trust the people who gave you 260,000 deaths,
when they promised the cases would 'soon be down to zero' - against the
advice of those who knew the opposite was true.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-27 14:17:28 UTC
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FPP
Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.
Do you think Trump put on a lab coat and cooked up the vaccine himself?

This vaccine was developed during his term of office, yet we were told
not to trust any vaccine produced under his administration but now that
Biden won the election, that SAME vaccine is perfectly safe?
FPP
2020-11-27 15:05:29 UTC
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FPP
Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.
Do you think Trump put on a lab coat and cooked up the vaccine himself?
This vaccine was developed during his term of office, yet we were told
not to trust any vaccine produced under his administration but now that
Biden won the election, that SAME vaccine is perfectly safe?
I doubt he can put on a coat by himself. But he strong-arms people to
do what he wants. That's his go-to tactic.

Rick Bright blew the whistle, and he got fired. He was an object lesson.

Nobody who's a political appointee can be trusted. You trust the
doctors and the scientists... not the politicians and their ass-kissers.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
moviePig
2020-11-27 16:00:40 UTC
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FPP
Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.
Do you think Trump put on a lab coat and cooked up the vaccine himself?
This vaccine was developed during his term of office, yet we were told
not to trust any vaccine produced under his administration but now that
Biden won the election, that SAME vaccine is perfectly safe?
I doubt he can put on a coat by himself.  But he strong-arms people to
do what he wants.  That's his go-to tactic.
Rick Bright blew the whistle, and he got fired.  He was an object lesson.
Nobody who's a political appointee can be trusted.  You trust the
doctors and the scientists... not the politicians and their ass-kissers.
Well, I'd sure hope that none of a vaccine's provenance includes
graduates of Trump University...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-11-27 18:20:25 UTC
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FPP
Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.
Do you think Trump put on a lab coat and cooked up the vaccine himself?
This vaccine was developed during his term of office, yet we were told
not to trust any vaccine produced under his administration but now that
Biden won the election, that SAME vaccine is perfectly safe?
I doubt he can put on a coat by himself.  But he strong-arms people to
do what he wants.  That's his go-to tactic.
Rick Bright blew the whistle, and he got fired.  He was an object lesson.
Nobody who's a political appointee can be trusted.  You trust the
doctors and the scientists... not the politicians and their ass-kissers.
Well, I'd sure hope that none of a vaccine's provenance includes
graduates of Trump University...
A real estate school offering a get rich quick scheme?

You're a blithering idiot.
moviePig
2020-11-27 19:14:58 UTC
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FPP
Democrats said that if the CDC (non-Trump appointed) docs and the FDA
(non-Trump appointed) and the (non-Trump appointed) docs and scientists
said the vaccine was safe and effective, they'd get it with the usual
reservations.
Do you think Trump put on a lab coat and cooked up the vaccine himself?
This vaccine was developed during his term of office, yet we were told
not to trust any vaccine produced under his administration but now that
Biden won the election, that SAME vaccine is perfectly safe?
I doubt he can put on a coat by himself.  But he strong-arms people to
do what he wants.  That's his go-to tactic.
Rick Bright blew the whistle, and he got fired.  He was an object lesson.
Nobody who's a political appointee can be trusted.  You trust the
doctors and the scientists... not the politicians and their ass-kissers.
Well, I'd sure hope that none of a vaccine's provenance includes
graduates of Trump University...
...You're a blithering idiot...
You're a stinky pants...
BTR1701
2020-11-26 18:18:04 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because
 Orange Man bad!
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send them
back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people out of work
right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're doing this
literally the day before Thanksgiving when many restaurants have spent a
fortune laying on extra food and supplies for the holiday crowd, which
will now go to waste.

And they're doing all this despite publicly *admitting* that the recent
surge in cases has nothing to do with restaurant dining. They say it's
coming from gatherings in neighborhoods, private homes, sports
team/political celebrations and protests. But they think they have to do
*something* and since they can't do anything about private homes and
neighbors hanging out, they're going to shut down restaurants.

In fact, *twice* as many cases have come from government buildings and
agencies as have come from restaurants, so using (not a medical doctor)
Barbara Ferrer's own criteria, we should shut down the fucking
government long before we shut down restaurants, who are doing
everything humanly possible to abide by the onerous, expensive,
never-ending and always-changing rules and regulations issued by the
very government who can't even keep its own house in order.

Our county health director and refugee from the set of THE WALKING DEAD,
(not a medical doctor) Barbara Ferrer, has been asked repeatedly to
provide the science and data that justifies destroying the livelihoods
of thousands of restauranteurs and after days of stalling and spinning,
now admits that data doesn't exist, but she's issuing the shutdown order
anyway.

They're just flailing around blindly at this point, shutting things down
so that they can look like they're "doing something". It'd be comical if
it wasn't literally costing lives.

And unlike in March, those 700,000 people won't have any government
money coming to help them through. Gavin Newsom's atrocity of an
unemployment office still has an over 1.5 million-person backlog in
disbursing benefits. There are people who were put out of work in March
who are still waiting for their first check and who are now being told
it will probably be next April before they see it. So we can add 700,000
new people to that hellish Beetlejuice-like list for no other reason
than so (not a medical doctor) Barbara Ferrer can say she's "doing
something" about a disease that's 99.2% survivable.
FPP
2020-11-26 21:00:29 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send them
back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people out of work
right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're doing this
literally the day before Thanksgiving when many restaurants have spent a
fortune laying on extra food and supplies for the holiday crowd, which
will now go to waste.
Thank you, President Trump! You've done it again!
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
FPP
2020-11-26 21:04:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send them
back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people out of work
right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're doing this
literally the day before Thanksgiving when many restaurants have spent a
fortune laying on extra food and supplies for the holiday crowd, which
will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.

But, no... klowns like you have been talking those precautions down.
Why? You tell me.
You've begged for this outcome, so what are you complaining about? You
got what you wanted.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-27 14:14:32 UTC
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FPP
BTR1701
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send them
back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people out of work
right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're doing this
literally the day before Thanksgiving when many restaurants have
spent a fortune laying on extra food and supplies for the holiday
crowd, which will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.
You mean the same authorities who encouraged mass rioting/protesting
while arrogantly ignoring their own dictates? RichA or someone just
posted a thread about a whole gaggle of politicians jetting off to the
sunny shores of Hawaii for a “vital” conference, at the same time
they’re telling us peasants to celebrate Thanksgiving via Zoom…

Gee, I wonder why average Americans aren’t taking this seriously?
FPP
2020-11-27 15:06:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ed Stasiak
FPP
BTR1701
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send them
back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people out of work
right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're doing this
literally the day before Thanksgiving when many restaurants have
spent a fortune laying on extra food and supplies for the holiday
crowd, which will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.
You mean the same authorities who encouraged mass rioting/protesting
while arrogantly ignoring their own dictates? RichA or someone just
posted a thread about a whole gaggle of politicians jetting off to the
sunny shores of Hawaii for a “vital” conference, at the same time
they’re telling us peasants to celebrate Thanksgiving via Zoom…
Gee, I wonder why average Americans aren’t taking this seriously?
Because Trump, Ed. Who is it that's convinced them that it's a hoax?
That it's no big deal because 'virtually nobody' has a problem with it?
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
BTR1701
2020-11-27 17:51:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ed Stasiak
FPP
BTR1701
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send
them back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people
out of work right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're
doing this literally the day before Thanksgiving when many
restaurants have spent a fortune laying on extra food and supplies
for the holiday crowd, which will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.
You mean the same authorities who encouraged mass rioting/protesting
while arrogantly ignoring their own dictates? RichA or someone just
posted a thread about a whole gaggle of politicians jetting off to the
sunny shores of Hawaii for a "vital" conference, at the same time
they're telling us peasants to celebrate Thanksgiving via Zoom...
Gee, I wonder why average Americans aren’t taking this seriously?
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.

Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.

Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.

Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.

Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.

Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.

Nope, according to FPP, it's my Usenet posts that are responsible for it
all.

And now FPP is claiming that our Democrat lawmakers went to Maui because
Trump convinced them the virus is a hoax-- something Trump never
actually said, mind you-- but it beggars the imagination that even if he
had said it, it would have brainwashed a bunch of Democrat assemblymen
into suddenly believing it in November when they've spent the previous
eight months criticizing Trump and resisting him.

I'm sure FPP will tell us how either Trump or my Usenet posts are also
somehow responsible for the catastrophic dumpster fire that the
California unemployment agency has become, despite it being run by
Democrats top to bottom. Because a Democrat can never be at fault in FPP
World for anything.
Jim G.
2020-11-27 18:49:53 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.
Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.
Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.
Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.
Now, now. Let's be fair. We all know that the REAL problem in California
is groups of 11 Roman Catholics gathering for Mass in a church that can
hold 1000 when the "science" (and therefore the law) makes it clear that
only ten can do so safely. It's amazing how much damage that one extra
person can cause.
--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"I'm really glad we're at this place in our relationship where we can
dig up graves together without having to talk." -- Major Lillywhite, iZOMBIE
BTR1701
2020-11-27 19:07:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.
Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.
Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.
Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.
Now, now. Let's be fair. We all know that the REAL problem in California
is groups of 11 Roman Catholics gathering for Mass in a church that can
hold 1000 when the "science" (and therefore the law) makes it clear that
only ten can do so safely. It's amazing how much damage that one extra
person can cause.
Hey, our strip clubs are open even as the churches are closed. Nothing
agenda-based going on there and you're a bigot if you say otherwise!
moviePig
2020-11-27 19:17:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.
Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.
Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.
Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.
Now, now. Let's be fair. We all know that the REAL problem in California
is groups of 11 Roman Catholics gathering for Mass in a church that can
hold 1000 when the "science" (and therefore the law) makes it clear that
only ten can do so safely. It's amazing how much damage that one extra
person can cause.
Hey, our strip clubs are open even as the churches are closed. Nothing
agenda-based going on there and you're a bigot if you say otherwise!
Strip-clubs enforce social distancing from the performers, unless you
pay extra...
shawn
2020-11-27 22:46:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by moviePig
Post by BTR1701
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.
Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.
Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.
Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.
Now, now. Let's be fair. We all know that the REAL problem in California
is groups of 11 Roman Catholics gathering for Mass in a church that can
hold 1000 when the "science" (and therefore the law) makes it clear that
only ten can do so safely. It's amazing how much damage that one extra
person can cause.
Hey, our strip clubs are open even as the churches are closed. Nothing
agenda-based going on there and you're a bigot if you say otherwise!
Strip-clubs enforce social distancing from the performers, unless you
pay extra...
The problem isn't with the performers. It's all the patrons. I don't
understand how the politicians came to this sort of ruling. I get
allowing for large numbers of people to be in a building if those
people are performing an essential function like the police or
hospitals, but strip clubs aren't essential. Unless the politicians
ARE saying that strip clubs are essential and if so I would love to
see the ads during the next election.
FPP
2020-11-27 22:12:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Jim G.
Post by BTR1701
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Not the constant riots, marches, demonstrations, and protests, with
thousands of people in close contact, many of them bare-faced, to
include the mayor himself.
Not the thousands that participated in the celebration looting after the
Lakers won the championship and the Dodgers won the World Series. Most
of that was maskless.
Not the documented cultural issues in the hispanic community where, much
like the Jews in New York, they've rejected isolating themselves in
favor of continuing their in-person traditions.
Not the criminal gangs that are having huge block parties in areas where
the virus is surging.
Now, now. Let's be fair. We all know that the REAL problem in California
is groups of 11 Roman Catholics gathering for Mass in a church that can
hold 1000 when the "science" (and therefore the law) makes it clear that
only ten can do so safely. It's amazing how much damage that one extra
person can cause.
Hey, our strip clubs are open even as the churches are closed. Nothing
agenda-based going on there and you're a bigot if you say otherwise!
Still no citations? Why should anybody believe anything you say?
Not even a dummied up Dropbox post?

You're slipping... fortunately, you haven't too far to go.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
FPP
2020-11-27 22:11:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
FPP
BTR1701
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send
them back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people
out of work right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're
doing this literally the day before Thanksgiving when many
restaurants have spent a fortune laying on extra food and supplies
for the holiday crowd, which will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.
You mean the same authorities who encouraged mass rioting/protesting
while arrogantly ignoring their own dictates? RichA or someone just
posted a thread about a whole gaggle of politicians jetting off to the
sunny shores of Hawaii for a "vital" conference, at the same time
they're telling us peasants to celebrate Thanksgiving via Zoom...
Gee, I wonder why average Americans aren’t taking this seriously?
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
No, he considers your post are about as impotent as you are.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
FPP
2020-11-27 22:13:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
FPP
BTR1701
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining, whether inside or outside, and send
them back to take-out only status. This will put 700,000 people
out of work right as the holiday season gets underway. And they're
doing this literally the day before Thanksgiving when many
restaurants have spent a fortune laying on extra food and supplies
for the holiday crowd, which will now go to waste.
You don't think they thought of that eventuality? The authorities have
been PLEADING with people to take this seriously so they could avoid
just this.
You mean the same authorities who encouraged mass rioting/protesting
while arrogantly ignoring their own dictates? RichA or someone just
posted a thread about a whole gaggle of politicians jetting off to the
sunny shores of Hawaii for a "vital" conference, at the same time
they're telling us peasants to celebrate Thanksgiving via Zoom...
Gee, I wonder why average Americans aren’t taking this seriously?
FPP claims it's my Usenet posts that are the cause of the virus spike in
L.A. County.
Not the 100,000+ people who jammed into Grand Park downtown to dance and
cheer and spread their viral plumes all over each other to celebrate a
Democrat political victory, a significant number of them doing so
maskless.
Still just you mouthing off...
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
trotsky
2020-11-27 15:46:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
But NOW, that same vaccine that was hurriedly developed during the
Trump administration, is so magically safe and effective (because
Biden won the election) that the government has to force you to take
it under threat of losing your job and ending up on the streets.
So we should trust the Dems, who callously crashed the economy
and put millions of kids in an educational hole all to help Biden’s
election campaign (while arrogantly disregarding their own dictates)
because… Orange Man bad!
Hey, the L.A. County Health Department has decided to close all
restaurants to onsite dining,
Sockpuppet alert.
Barry Margolin
2020-11-27 21:55:16 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
I never heard anything like that.

What I heard was: "If Trump recommends it, but the scientists don't,
then it's suspect." If you recall, Trump also recommended injecting
bleach.

Nothing about which administration it was developed under.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
FPP
2020-11-27 22:14:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Barry Margolin
Post by Ed Stasiak
moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because the Dems and Mainstream Media were telling us any vaccine
hurriedly developed during the Trump administration was suspect.
I never heard anything like that.
What I heard was: "If Trump recommends it, but the scientists don't,
then it's suspect." If you recall, Trump also recommended injecting
bleach.
Nothing about which administration it was developed under.
Nobody has said that. Ed is just pretending we said that.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Barry Margolin
2020-11-26 20:28:10 UTC
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Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because vaccines aren't 100% effective, so you need a large enough
segment of the community to get it to stop the pandemic.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
moviePig
2020-11-27 16:12:36 UTC
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Post by Barry Margolin
Post by moviePig
Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
If the vaccine's widely available, why would we force anyone?...
Because vaccines aren't 100% effective, so you need a large enough
segment of the community to get it to stop the pandemic.
So we'd be forcing the vaccine on everyone in order to protect those for
whom it's ineffective. Although that 'threshold logic' holds water, it
surely does sound open to manipulation of "scientific estimates"...
trotsky
2020-11-26 17:01:39 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
Nobody is forcing you, Ed.
"Ed" needs to be put back in the sock drawer. Thanny's got nothing in
his drawers anyway.
Barry Margolin
2020-11-26 20:26:43 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
And who knows what the long term side-effects are?
What's the alternative?
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"

I thought the qualifier would be obvious.
--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
Ed Stasiak
2020-11-27 14:11:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"
A disease that has a 99+% survival rate and is overwhelmingly
a danger to old people with pre-existing conditions?

Concentrate testing and vaccinations on essential workers and
old people, while giving others the _option_ of getting the (untried
and possibly debilitating) vaccination, without the threat of losing
their job and ending up on the streets.
FPP
2020-11-27 14:59:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"
A disease that has a 99+% survival rate and is overwhelmingly
a danger to old people with pre-existing conditions?
Concentrate testing and vaccinations on essential workers and
old people, while giving others the _option_ of getting the (untried
and possibly debilitating) vaccination, without the threat of losing
their job and ending up on the streets.
And what? Let those other people just get it?

So they end up in the hospital with a bill they can never pay off? Or
if they're lucky, just lose all their savings and just go into debt?

Then there are the long-haul problems that look like they NEVER go
away... so you want to condemn people to suffer for the rest of their
lives because YOU don't want to get a shot?

Yeah, that's a grate plan. I'd love to work with people like you who
don't give a shit about MY long term health.

And what makes you think these vaccines are going to be 'debilitating'?
We know getting the disease does that already for many people.

"In a recent JAMA research letter, 125 of 143 Italian patients ranging
in age from 19 to 84 years still experienced physician-confirmed
COVID-19–related symptoms an average of 2 months after their first
symptom emerged. All had been hospitalized, with their stays averaging
about 2 weeks; 80% hadn’t received any form of ventilation."

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771111

You DO NOT WANT to get this, Ed. Really, you don't. If you watched how
people with it suffer, you'd take the shot, too.
--
"Good night wall, good night cages, good night endless Midnight rages."
"Good night thief, good night grief, good night cruel and callous Chief."
"Good night 'Fake News', and Fox and Friends. - this is how the
nightmare ends."
"Good night at last, it’s time to go... the American people have told
you so."

The Million MAGA March is mostly men... probably because the men aren't
very good at getting their women to come. Or so I've heard...

November 7, 2020 - Happy V-T Day!
Barry Margolin
2020-11-27 22:02:59 UTC
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Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"
A disease that has a 99+% survival rate and is overwhelmingly
a danger to old people with pre-existing conditions?
You still focus solely on mortality. The rest of us don't want to get
really sick, even if it doesn't kill us.
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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA
shawn
2020-11-27 22:49:00 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"
A disease that has a 99+% survival rate and is overwhelmingly
a danger to old people with pre-existing conditions?
You still focus solely on mortality. The rest of us don't want to get
really sick, even if it doesn't kill us.
It's easier to argue against any anti-virus approaches if you only
discuss the mortality rate. That and it's harder to get good data on
the short and long term effects of Covid-19 for those that catch the
disease and don't die.
suzeeq
2020-11-27 23:25:04 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Post by Barry Margolin
Barry Margolin
Ed Stasiak
Not forcing every American to take an untried and possibly
debilitating vaccination under threat of losing their job and
ending up on the streets.
I meant "What's the alternative that still likely to protect us from
getting a horrible disease?"
A disease that has a 99+% survival rate and is overwhelmingly
a danger to old people with pre-existing conditions?
You still focus solely on mortality. The rest of us don't want to get
really sick, even if it doesn't kill us.
Yes, and even if you don't get quite that sick, you might have lung and
heart problems later on.
RichA
2020-11-25 00:53:50 UTC
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"It Could Happen" - Covid-19 Vaccine Side Effects are Like Covid-19
film at 11, from the morgue ...
Public health officials and drugmakers must be transparent about the
side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a
coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC
advisors as states prepare to distribute doses as early as next month.
Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association noted that both
Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at varying
intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries whether her
patients will come back for a second dose because of the potentially
unpleasant side effects they may experience after the first shot.
“They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going
to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second dose.”
Participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials told
CNBC in September that they were experiencing high fever, body aches,
bad headaches, daylong exhaustion and other symptoms after receiving the
shots.
These are "live" vaccines. Read about live vs. dead for polio:

https://www.virology.ws/2015/09/10/why-do-we-still-use-sabin-poliovirus-vaccine/
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