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The Starmaker
2020-08-01 20:44:39 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063

So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.

Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?


(be prepared for fake space news by the droves, daily)

"Oh look, it looks like the Mississippi river!" (ancient Mississippi river)

"Look at that big crater! That's what probably killed all the dinosaurs on Mars!"

Wats dat?

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Sylvia Else
2020-08-02 00:40:46 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.

Sylvia.
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-08-02 01:01:01 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
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Rhino
2020-08-02 01:36:51 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
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anim8rfsk
2020-08-02 02:17:15 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
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2020-08-02 03:21:51 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
He's never seen a drone, period.
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Rhino
2020-08-02 04:38:43 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....

It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have. I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.

The video in this article was very educational:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-to-mars/

My apologies for the confusion!
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anim8rfsk
2020-08-02 04:57:30 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have.
It doesn't need the tail rotor because the two main rotors rotate in opposite
directions.
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I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
Not just your ways. I have no idea why everybody is saying it's a helicopter.
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-t
o-mars/
My apologies for the confusion!
Not your bad!
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Paul S Person
2020-08-02 16:46:41 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have.
It doesn't need the tail rotor because the two main rotors rotate in opposite
directions.
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I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
Not just your ways. I have no idea why everybody is saying it's a helicopter.
Could it be ... because that is what NASA calls it?

United Launch Alliance has launched NASA’s latest mission to Mars: the
Perseverance rover and accompanying Ingenuity helicopter.

Just a thought.
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-t
o-mars/
My apologies for the confusion!
Not your bad!
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anim8rfsk
2020-08-02 23:10:10 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have.
It doesn't need the tail rotor because the two main rotors rotate in opposite
directions.
Post by Rhino
I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
Not just your ways. I have no idea why everybody is saying it's a helicopter.
Could it be ... because that is what NASA calls it?
United Launch Alliance has launched NASA’s latest mission to Mars: the
Perseverance rover and accompanying Ingenuity helicopter.
Just a thought.
Is it your first? Cherish it.
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journe
y-t
o-mars/
My apologies for the confusion!
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Dorothy J Heydt
2020-08-02 14:14:35 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have. I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-to-mars/
Awwww. It's dainty!
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BiologyMajor
2020-08-02 15:57:22 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have. I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-to-mars/
Awwww. It's dainty!
Like a bird!

Someday maybe a solar powered 'bird', even a flock of them
exploring a new world. What might they find?




"The Skies can't keep their secret!
They tell it to the Hills
The Hills just tell the Orchards—
And they the Daffodils!

A Bird by chance that goes that way
Soft overhears the whole
If I should bribe the little Bird
Who knows but she would tell?"



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Dorothy J Heydt
2020-08-02 17:36:19 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have. I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-to-mars/
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Awwww. It's dainty!
Like a bird!
Someday maybe a solar powered 'bird', even a flock of them
exploring a new world. What might they find?
Hmmmm. On Titan, maybe? It's got plenty of atmosphere.
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BiologyMajor
2020-08-02 20:40:33 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
Weight is a very significant issue because the air is so thin. They've
had to design this very carefully to get it to fly at all.
It is, in fact, a drone, designed so that it can (they hope) fly
in that thin stuff Mars uses for air.
I've seen video of Ingenuity. It has three rotors, one above the other,
where you'd usually expect to see the main rotor of the helicopter. I've
never seen a drone with even ONE rotor so I'm thinking it IS a
helicopter....
You've never seen a drone with a rotor?
Hold on, are you talking about the kind that I've seen at the computer
store? I was talking about the kind that the military uses, which are
basically a cruise missile. I've never seen one of THOSE with a rotor
except perhaps a small one on the tail end for stability....
It turns out I was mistaken about the rotors too. There are only two,
one above the other, and not three stacked on the same shaft. And there
is no tail rotor at all, as terrestrial helicopter would have. I'd only
seen a close-up still of Ingenuity and it turns out that the highest
"rotor" was actually a stationary solar panel, not a rotor. And since I
only saw a closeup and NASA called it a helicopter, I just *assumed*
there was a tail and tail-rotor. But now that I've actually seen a
picture of it flying (or rather an artist's conception of how it would
look flying!), I have seen the error of my ways.
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/07/perseverance-ingenuity-ready-journey-to-mars/
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Awwww. It's dainty!
Like a bird!
Someday maybe a solar powered 'bird', even a flock of them
exploring a new world. What might they find?
Hmmmm. On Titan, maybe? It's got plenty of atmosphere.
But Titan is so cold, no life-giving water to be found.

On Mars the entire northern hemisphere is up to 50% water ice
just a few meters below the surface where it's protected
from the thin air and from solar radiation.

Literally half of Mars potentially has an underground
hot spring environment, thought to be the source of
first life on Earth.

And just meters below the surface.

When the atmosphere thinned on Mars the water didn't
evaporate away entirely, much of it went underground.

For instance...

Titan doesn't have a frozen ocean on its surface
with pack ice like on Mars.

EVIDENCE FROM HRSC MARS EXPRESS FOR A FROZEN SEA CLOSE TO MARS’ EQUATOR.
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2005/pdf/1741.pdf

Titan doesn't have clay on the surface. How can clay exist
in the surface of Mars without...recent...water?
Loading Image....html

And Titan doesn't have vast fields of these
/identical sized/ spheres like on Mars.
Which only microbial activity can explain.
Loading Image...

This is a stunning picture. look at the spacing.
That's not the result of random weathering.
Loading Image....html

https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/m/053/1M132896352EFF06ASP2956M2M1.HTML

Loading Image...

https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/m/106/1M137593860EFF2208P2956M2M1.HTML


And Titan doesn't have fields with razor-flat
horizons only...recent...water or ice could
create like on Mars. A very young site.
Loading Image....html

And old site would look like this

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To show that the scientific community is almost
...certain Mars has life, check out the
last astrobiology conference at the link.
Bet you can't scroll through the titles of
the papers presented in less than an hour.

It would be a shock if life is NOT on Mars
The volume of papers below make that opinion clear.

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/abscicon2017/authorindex.cfm
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2020-08-02 01:59:52 UTC
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Mars rover launched to look for signs of past life
https://www.dawn.com/news/1572063
So, they are going to send a ...helicopter to Mars.
Why a helicopter, why not just a drone with a iPhone attach to it?
(be prepared for fake space news by the droves, daily)
"Oh look, it looks like the Mississippi river!" (ancient Mississippi river)
"Look at that big crater! That's what probably killed all the dinosaurs on Mars!"
Wats dat?
https://www.thecinemaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/planetapes-962x450.j
pg
Well, first, it is for all intensive porpoises a drone. A regular drone
couldn't possibly fly on Mars; there's not enough air pressure. This thing is
all blades:
https://www.nasa.gov/aeroresearch/nasa-aeronautics-experts-help-prepare-
ingenuity-to-fly-on-mars
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