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Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-08 01:48:59 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.

The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
shawn
2019-10-08 02:40:59 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
You know it's a bad move when all of his national security/military
advisers are telling Trump it's the wrong move. You have to wonder is
this just Trump making an impulsive move (something he has done
before) or did Erdogan say something during their phone call that
convinced him now was the time to do a withdrawal?
FPP
2019-10-08 02:44:31 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 01:48:59 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
You know it's a bad move when all of his national security/military
advisers are telling Trump it's the wrong move. You have to wonder is
this just Trump making an impulsive move (something he has done
before) or did Erdogan say something during their phone call that
convinced him now was the time to do a withdrawal?
Well, we'll know as soon as Turkey announces that they're opening an
investigation into the Biden family...
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"... If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom,
consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the
Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)." -Donald J. Trump 10-7-19

Next up: "Kneel before ZOD!"
trotsky
2019-10-08 10:59:21 UTC
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 01:48:59 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
You know it's a bad move when all of his national security/military
advisers are telling Trump it's the wrong move. You have to wonder is
this just Trump making an impulsive move (something he has done
before) or did Erdogan say something during their phone call that
convinced him now was the time to do a withdrawal?
Well, we'll know as soon as Turkey announces that they're opening an
investigation into the Biden family...
In the meantime, Trump needs to be removed by invoking the 25th
Amendment. Tell you Congresspeople--I did.
RichA
2019-10-08 04:07:02 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look what happened them 20 years on.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-08 04:22:18 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
RichA
2019-10-08 04:32:50 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
A rose by any other name. They were Afghan Muslim fanatics.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-08 06:07:49 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
A rose by any other name. They were Afghan Muslim fanatics.
No, they weren't. They just fucking hated the Soviet invaders and made
war against them. They couldn't win but they could turn it into a war of
attrition. Are you pro-Russia suddenly?

Zbigniew Brzezinski had Jimmy Carter's ear after Cyrus Vance was forced
out of the administration and Carter turned to the dark side in foreign
policy. Brezinski wanted to see if he could screw with the Rooskies by
making it appear that their vassal state in Afghanistan was about to
fall. That's what led to the Soviet invasion.

After the war, some of the younger fighters went to Pakistan, where they
were radicalized by clerics from our bestest friends in the world, Saudi
Arabia. That's who became the Taliban. Many of the earliest members were
too young to have fought the Rooskies, but some of the older men who
joined the Taliban fought for years.

It wasn't everybody and it certainly wasn't the Pashtuns generally, who
were screwed by the British who had their territory split between India
(now Pakistan) and Afghanistan, the Durand Line, 1893.
RichA
2019-10-08 06:58:39 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
A rose by any other name. They were Afghan Muslim fanatics.
No, they weren't. They just fucking hated the Soviet invaders and made
war against them.
You are mistaken. I read a CIA report (classified then) about them. Carter was warned about pairing up with them. He ignored it. One CIA official resigned because of that. It was as big a mistake as Clinton allowing Bin Laden to escape assassination, twice. Brzezinski knew the CIA had no idea of whom they were dealing with as well. In hindsight, it would have been a good idea to have left the Soviets alone in Afghanistan, but the "human rights" angle and the need to keep the Soviets from keeping their beachhead overrode everything else.
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-08 07:16:48 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
A rose by any other name. They were Afghan Muslim fanatics.
No, they weren't. They just fucking hated the Soviet invaders and made
war against them.
You are mistaken.
About Brzezinski's dirty tricks prior to the Soviet invasion? I don't
think so, Rich.
Post by RichA
I read a CIA report (classified then) about them.
Carter was warned about pairing up with them. He ignored it. One CIA
official resigned because of that. It was as big a mistake as Clinton
allowing Bin Laden to escape assassination, twice. Brzezinski knew the
CIA had no idea of whom they were dealing with as well. In hindsight,
it would have been a good idea to have left the Soviets alone in
Afghanistan, but the "human rights" angle and the need to keep the
Soviets from keeping their beachhead overrode everything else.
If we'd left the fuckheads alone, they wouldn't have invaded at that
time. They didn't just show up.

They were not the crazed religious fanatics at that time, Rich, not till
the Saudis got their hands on them.
Ed Stasiak
2019-10-08 11:22:56 UTC
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Adam H. Kerman
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RichA
You are mistaken.
About Brzezinski's dirty tricks prior to the Soviet invasion? I don't think so, Rich.
True, but this was the Cold War where an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” and
while in hindsight it didn’t work out as planned, at the time it made sense to confront
the Soviets in Afghanistan as the Pakistanis were our ally and India was far too cozy
with the Russians.
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the need to keep the Soviets from keeping their beachhead overrode everything else.
If we'd left the fuckheads alone, they wouldn't have invaded at that time. They didn't
just show up.
There was already a rebellion going on in Afghanistan against the Soviet imposed
government before we got involved and the history of the Cold War was mostly a
string of successes for Communism.
Post by shawn
They were not the crazed religious fanatics at that time, Rich, not till the Saudis got
their hands on them.
If it wasn’t the Saudis it would have been someone else, as crazed religious fanatics
are a fundamental part of Islam which even today is essentially a medieval society
but the source of the problem goes back to Israel, the creation of which derailed any
attempts at bringing Muslims into the modern world (which Afghanistan was well on
it’s way before the Commies took over).
trotsky
2019-10-08 11:00:02 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
The Kurds are now what the Taliban were to the U.S. in the 1970's. Look
what happened them 20 years on.
The Taliban didn't exist that far back. I think you mean the Mujahideen,
who got the Tom Hanks movie.
A rose by any other name. They were Afghan Muslim fanatics.
No, they weren't. They just fucking hated the Soviet invaders and made
war against them.
You are mistaken. I read a CIA report (classified then) about them. Carter was warned about pairing up with them.
Cite, liar?
BTR1701
2019-10-08 04:33:11 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
It's an appalling betrayal.
Ubiquitous
2019-10-09 00:10:47 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars
than any other ethnic groups.
It's an appalling betrayal.
Are these the good Kurds or the bad ones? I thought the ones in Iraq
were good but the ones in Syria were bad.

Needless to say, this doesn't sound like a good idea.
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hector
2019-10-10 04:53:21 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars
than any other ethnic groups.
It's an appalling betrayal.
Are these the good Kurds or the bad ones? I thought the ones in Iraq
were good but the ones in Syria were bad.
Needless to say, this doesn't sound like a good idea.
They train antifa.
FPP
2019-10-16 11:40:18 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
It's an appalling betrayal.
The near consensus view of President Donald Trump’s decision to remove US
special forces from the Syrian border with Turkey is that Trump is enabling a
Turkish invasion and double crossing the Syrian Kurds who have fought with
the Americans for five years against ISIS. Trump’s move, the thinking goes,
harms US credibility and undermines US power in the region and throughout the
world.
There are several problems with this narrative.
No, there aren't. That's EXACTLY what happened. He got on the horn
with Erdogan and Erdogan played him like a fiddle.

He sold the Kurds out, let ISIS go free and trapped American troops in
Syria without an exit strategy.

Them's the facts, landslide-boy!
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"You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all
so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe
you." - Donald J. Trump
(To Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes in response to the question of why he
attacks the press so often.)
Ubiquitous
2019-10-13 14:11:30 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
It's an appalling betrayal.
President Trump's decision to withdraw our few troops from the Syria-Turkey
border area earned him considerable criticism from allies. Senator Lindsey
Graham said the decision is "a catastrophe in the making." Representative Lin
Cheney said it's "a catastrophic mistake." Former UN Secretary Nikki Haley
said, "We must always have the backs of our allies."

President Trump has answered these critics. The Kurds were engaged in a
contractual relationship fighting the Islamic State (ISIS). They were well
paid and equipped for their fighting, much like any mercenary group.
Further, they were given three years to consolidate eastern Syria to feed
their long-held desire to form an independent Kurdistan with other Kurds in
Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. They failed.

The Kurds' problem, and by association that of the U.S., is that regional
powers like Turkey and to a lesser extent Iran and Syria have long held the
Kurds in disdain. In fact, Turkey considers the Syrian Kurds to be allies of
the Kurdistan Workers' Party or (PKK), which are Turkish Kurds and terrorists
fighting for independence for the last 35 years.

Basically, the Kurds hijacked our fight with ISIS to feed their regional
civil war to earn independence.

President Trump is aware of that agenda and is also trying to constrain
American hawks who want to use our military willy-nilly across the world.
Remember that Trump frequently said during his 2016 campaign that he wants to
escape from endless wars and bring our fighters home.


Also, we need to ask ourselves whether the withdrawal of a few American
troops really matters in the conflict either against ISIS, and did it really
grant the Turkish government the "green light" to attack "terrorist" Kurds?
Perhaps. The Syrian civil war which led to the rise of ISIS is over and the
bloody dictator in Damascus won, thanks to the Russians and Iranians. We can
blame Obama for that outcome, not Trump. And yes, the Turks have permission
from Damascus to cross into Syria and they will now consolidate a buffer zone
along the Syrian border to control terrorist actions fostered by the
independence-minded Kurds and allow for millions of refugees to return home.
I bet the U.S. would do the same if we had a similar problem on either of our
borders with Mexico or Canada.

The pregnant question that Trump's critics don't answer is: Will ISIS return
to fight another day? Not necessarily. Keep in mind that al Qaeda and ISIS
are in many more places today than when U.S. forces first pursued them in the
mountains of Afghanistan and in the northern plains of Iraq. Also, what
remains of ISIS is trapped in a small area in Syria and if they make a ruckus
that can be easily handled by Turkish and Russian airstrikes, and they won't
bother with concerns about collateral damage.

Another point about all the fake news about the Kurdish plight is evidence of
a basic misunderstanding about the Middle East, which is locked in a constant
cycle of war in part because of the English and French fools that redrew the
maps after World War I.

Trump's critics can learn about Middle Eastern culture by watching Lawrence
of Arabia. Remember the first time that Lawrence goes into the desert his
guide stops at some oasis. As the guide drinks from the well, a dark figure
on a camel rides fast towards them and then shoots dead Lawrence's guide.
Lawrence is stunned and asks why the Arab killed the guide. The Arab
responds, "He is Hazzami. He is nothing. He knew that he could not drink
from our well."

Yes, much of the region is locked in tribal wars and they don't want
democracy. Further, and in part because of those tribal wars, we do not need
to stay there another day, much less a century. Rather, let the regional
players handle these problems and leave the larger security challenges like
China and Russia to the United States.

Why must America get involved in every conflict around the world that is,
unless you believe as some of the Trump critics do, that we are indeed the
world's policeman and like former American leaders, believe in promoting
democracy at the pointy end of the bayonet?

Finally, I'm a security cooperation expert helping the Pentagon work with
land forces across the world. Our allies and foreign partners like us
because we are ready to fight for them and more often than not give them
training and equipment to settle their own challenges. I dare say the
American taxpayer ought to ask whether there ought to be a limit on how much
of this fighting really supports our national interests.

I'm reminded of what English statesman and General Oliver Cromwell (1599-
1658) said to his troops: "Put your trust in God, but mind to keep your
powder dry." That's an apropos view in the Syria account. America has too
many fights ongoing now and much bigger ones ahead. For our national
interests, we too must "mind to keep" our powder dry and not squander our
resources on others' wars. Let's put Syria in the rearview mirror.

: Lt. Col. Bob Maginnis graduated from the U.S. Military Academy and is an
: instructor at the Army War College. He oversees a team of national security
: experts in the Pentagon and has more than 800 published articles on
: national security and geopolitical issues. His most recent books are
: Progressive Evil (2019), and Alliance of Evil (2018).

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watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
FPP
2019-10-16 11:45:49 UTC
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President Trump has answered these critics. The Kurds were engaged in a
contractual relationship fighting the Islamic State (ISIS). They were well
paid and equipped for their fighting, much like any mercenary group.
Further, they were given three years to consolidate eastern Syria to feed
their long-held desire to form an independent Kurdistan with other Kurds in
Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. They failed.
No, they didn't "fail". They helped defeat ISIS - and held them in
check until Mad King Donald caused them to let them go free.

And they weren't fucking mercenaries. They worked hand-in-hand with US
troops, and were our allies.

Until Trump stabbed them in the back, and ordered the cut and run.
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"You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all
so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe
you." - Donald J. Trump
(To Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes in response to the question of why he
attacks the press so often.)
t***@gmail.com
2019-10-08 04:35:39 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing American troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Israelis
Fixed that for you Kerman !






The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.

Negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear program will not solve Israel's security dilemma. Nor will they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program — the capability to enrich uranium. At best, the talks between the world's major powers and Iran that began in Istanbul this April and will continue in Baghdad in May will enable Israel to postpone by a few months a decision whether to launch an attack on Iran that could provoke a major Mideast war.

Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. What Israeli military leaders really worry about -- but cannot talk about -- is
losing their nuclear monopoly.

Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-clinton-say-syria-israel-leaked-e-mail/








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BONUS: Syria is not the threat to middle eastern peace, Is Real is.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/JeN18Flddic/yui-S-HKBgAJ
RichA
2019-10-08 13:52:07 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
This is actually a brilliant move by Trump because he can ask the Democrats point blank with an election coming up: "Do you plan on taking American back into Syria, otherwise known as the Vietnam of the Middle East?"
Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-08 19:28:20 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
This is actually a brilliant move by Trump because he can ask the
Democrats point blank with an election coming up: "Do you plan on taking
American back into Syria, otherwise known as the Vietnam of the Middle
East?"
Uh, Rich, that's irrelevant. Our allies will be useless at that point,
as they'll all be dead. American involvement in Syria was minimal. The Kurds
did all the fighting and dying. We were just advisors and gave them
weapons systems.
t***@gmail.com
2019-10-08 20:11:51 UTC
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Uh, that's irrelevant.
"Let Them Bleed"


"'This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don't want one to win -- we'll settle for a tie,' said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York. 'Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that's the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there's no real threat from Syria.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/israel-backs-limited-strike-against-syria.html?pagewanted=all
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/2K2dHJ8kGHE/V3izttGkl_AJ
Our allies will be useless at that point,
as they'll all be dead. American involvement in Syria was minimal. The Kurds
did all the fighting and dying. We were just advisors and gave them
weapons systems.
"Let Them Bleed"

Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that's the strategic thinking here.
Israel Backs Limited Strike Against Syria
By JODI RUDOREN SEPT. 5, 2013
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/world/middleeast/israel-backs-limited-strike-against-syria.html




America’s Israel Lobby Demands “Direct Militery Strikes” Against Syria
August 31, 2013
http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/content/foreign-policy-experts-urge-president-obama-respond-assads-chemical-attack




“The objectives should be … to ensure that Assad’s chemical weapons no longer threaten … our allies in the region”
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The names of the “experts” seeking a “decisive response” against Syria:

Karl Rove
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman
Ammar Abdulhamid
Ambassador Robert G. Joseph Elliott Abrams
Dr. Robert Kagan
Dr. Fouad Ajami
Lawrence F. Kaplan
Michael Allen
James Kirchick
Dr. Michael Auslin
Irina Krasovskaya
Gary Bauer
Dr. William Kristol
Paul Berman
Bernard-Henri Levy
Max Boot
Dr. Robert J. Lieber
Ellen Bork
Ambassador L. Paul Bremer
Tod Lindberg
Matthew R. J. Brodsky
Mary Beth Long
Dr. Eliot A. Cohen
Dr. Thomas G. Mahnken
Senator Norm Coleman
Dr. Michael Makovsky
Ambassador William Courtney
Ann Marlowe
Seth Cropsey
Clifford D. May
James S. Denton
Dr. Alan Mendoza
Paula A. DeSutter
David A. Merkel
Dr. Larry Diamond
Dr. Joshua Muravchik
Dr. Paula J. Dobriansky
Ambassador Andrew Natsios
Thomas Donnelly
Governor Tim Pawlenty
Dr. Michael Doran
Martin Peretz
Mark Dubowitz
Danielle Pletka
Dr. Colin Dueck
Dr. David Pollock
Dr. Nicholas Eberstadt
Arch Puddington
Ambassador Eric S. Edelman
Douglas J. Feith
Randy Scheunemann
Reuel Marc Gerecht
Dan Senor
Abe Greenwald
Ambassador John Shattuck
Christopher J. Griffin
Lee Smith
John P. Hannah
Henry D. Sokolski
Dr. Jeffrey Herf
James Traub
Peter R. Huessy
Ambassador Mark D. Wallace
Dr. William Inboden
Michael Weiss
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Leon Wieseltier
Ash JainKhawla
Yusuf Dr. Kenneth Jensen
Robert Zarate
Allison Johnson
Dr. Radwan Ziadeh




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Funny, Kerman doesn't look Druish...
t***@gmail.com
2019-10-08 14:36:33 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds.
How are the Kurds, America's ally? What American interest half-way around the world are the Kurds protecting to keep Americans safe half-way around the world on American soil?

How are the Kurds keeping you safe in Chicago, Kerman?

Don't go off on some 1980's Afghan tangent, answer the question.
t***@gmail.com
2019-10-08 14:49:39 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
Brainwashed by the mass media:


U.S. pulling troops from northern Syria posts, leaving Kurdish allies to face Turkey
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syria-withdrawal-lindsey-graham-blasts-us-withdrawing-troops-northern-syria-posts-2019-10-07/



Syrian Kurds see American betrayal and warn fight against ISIS is now in doubt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-kurds-see-american-betrayal-and-warn-alliance-against-isis-is-now-in-doubt/2019/10/07/96c425da-e902-11e9-a329-7378fbfa1b63_story.html



Is the U.S. Betraying Its Kurdish Allies?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/podcasts/the-daily/trump-turkey-kurds-syria.html



America Is Screwing the Kurds Yet Again
https://newrepublic.com/article/155307/trump-withdraws-syria-america-screwing-kurds-yet







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The Rest Of The Story...



LET THEM BLEED


https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/0aMuQm5bv_U/wdNtzuwmBAAJ

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/wV68DpP5HaM/Fz30ZunDAAAJ


Trump Withdraws U.S. Forces From Syria
By Mark Landler, Helene Cooper and Eric Schmitt Dec. 19, 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/trump-syria-turkey-troop-withdrawal.html
“It’s a bad day for Israel,” said Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.





The decision to pull U.S. defense presence out of Syria ...will elicit increased Israeli strikes that could lead to a new and far deadlier Israel-Hezbollah war
https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ContentRecord_id=A0069109-54CC-40C3-AA08-CABEE46B9DC0





"The losers are Israel"
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/19/trump-us-troops-in-syria-1068734




“We’re leaving ... and we’re doing it in a way that puts Israel at risk”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/12/19/syria-troop-withdrawal/2361385002/



Trump does appear to have consulted at least one key ally in a phone call on Monday: Israel.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/19/trump-us-troops-in-syria-1068734




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Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical. Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. According to Philip Zelikow, a former member of the president’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now a counsellor to Condoleezza Rice, the ‘real threat’ from Iraq was not a threat to the United States. The ‘unstated threat’ was the ‘threat against Israel’, Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002. ‘The American government,’ he added, ‘doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.’


The Israel Lobby
John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby
j***@gmail.com
2019-10-08 16:10:37 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and hear, but Breitbart says only 50-100 troops were withdrawn and they were merely moved to other parts of Syria.

You gotta have a little more faith in our man Trump. He's crazy like a fox. And those 25th Amendment calls are for full-moon loons.

Are you soaking up all your BS from Bill Clinton's ramp queen, Susan Rice?
FPP
2019-10-08 22:14:20 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
--
And now, another in a series of Mental Health Bulletins:
"... If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom,
consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the
Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)." -Donald J. Trump 10-7-19

Next up: "Kneel before ZOD!"
Ubiquitous
2019-10-09 00:12:54 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
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watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
FPP
2019-10-09 00:30:24 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
--
And now, another in a series of Mental Health Bulletins:
"... If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom,
consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the
Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)." -Donald J. Trump 10-7-19

Next up: "Kneel before ZOD!"
Ubiquitous
2019-10-09 00:41:45 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
--
Watching Democrats come up with schemes to "catch Trump" is like
watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
FPP
2019-10-09 02:10:52 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Stable genius.
--
And now, another in a series of Mental Health Bulletins:
"... If Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom,
consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the
Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!)." -Donald J. Trump 10-7-19

Next up: "Kneel before ZOD!"
Ubiquitous
2019-10-09 02:11:00 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Stable genius.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
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Watching Democrats come up with schemes to "catch Trump" is like
watching Wile E. Coyote trying to catch Road Runner.
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2019-10-09 11:00:36 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Stable genius.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
He alone can fix it.
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"You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all
so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe
you." - Donald J. Trump
(To Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes in response to the question of why he
attacks the press so often.)
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2019-10-09 15:13:16 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says...
Breitfart. End of line...
Ad hominem noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Landslide.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
Stable genius.
Nonresponse noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
He alone can fix it.
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So I'll just KF you now."
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Adam H. Kerman
2019-10-10 04:46:08 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
Oh, Jeez, you are so omniscient. I don't know except what I read and
hear, but Breitbart says only 50-100 troops were withdrawn and they were
merely moved to other parts of Syria.
The Turks weren't going to attack Kurdish positions with American troops
there. There could have been as few as a handful of advisors. The Turks
weren't going to attack Americans.

Were you going to acknowledge this after you finished sucking up to
Trump, perhaps?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/08/turkey-readies-major-attack-northeast-syria-reversal-damage-control-kurds/
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You gotta have a little more faith in our man Trump. He's crazy like a
fox. And those 25th Amendment calls are for full-moon loons.
Are you soaking up all your BS from Bill Clinton's ramp queen, Susan Rice?
hector
2019-10-10 04:52:54 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
End the endless middle eastern wars.
FPP
2019-10-10 08:00:53 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
End the endless middle eastern wars.
Well, that's what they get for not helping us at Normandy in WWII.
Or so I'm told...

That's a flabbergasting excuse.
--
"You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all
so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe
you." - Donald J. Trump
(To Lesley Stahl of 60 Minutes in response to the question of why he
attacks the press so often.)
hector
2019-10-10 05:02:50 UTC
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Trump is withdrawing Aemrican troops that have been protecting our
allies, the Kurds. Turkey will take over the territory in Syria, round
them all up, and shoot them.
The Kurds have gotten screwed in more wars in the Middle East wars than
any other ethnic groups.
You've all been trained to support middle eastern wars.
"Our allies".
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