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Chicken EuroNATO cutting and running from Afghanistan eary??
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David Johnston
2021-05-02 23:36:07 UTC
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Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
David Johnston
2021-05-03 05:28:57 UTC
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Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
RichA
2021-05-03 06:45:19 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
David Johnston
2021-05-03 07:03:24 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
No, they were very interested in Serbia. They were afraid of it turning
into an expansionistic nation dominating the Balkans. For the first
time the European Union was debating a military intervention. The
Americans came in to nip that in the bud before they realized that with
the Cold War over, Europe didn't really need NATO any more.
RichA
2021-05-03 07:22:35 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
No, they were very interested in Serbia. They were afraid of it turning
into an expansionistic nation dominating the Balkans. For the first
time the European Union was debating a military intervention. The
Americans came in to nip that in the bud before they realized that with
the Cold War over, Europe didn't really need NATO any more.
American was already in Europe with troops. Hugely. Europeans, the flaccid UN were raked over the coals over their inaction. Then mindlessly, the Americans allowed the UN to run point, much like they did in Rwanda and we saw what happened there.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-05-03 17:57:56 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own
f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
No, they were very interested in Serbia. They were afraid of it turning
into an expansionistic nation dominating the Balkans.
You're seriously deluded, Johnston. Yugoslavia fell apart thanks to
Europe's premature recognition of its constituent states, none of which
were instantly capable of being nation-states that recognized each
other's boundaries as inviolate. Germany pushed this and the rest of
Europe went along, somehow forgetting that fucking around in the Balkans
guarantees war.
For the first time the European Union was debating a military
intervention. The Americans came in to nip that in the bud before they
realized that with the Cold War over, Europe didn't really need NATO
any more.
Are the Europeans going to write the United States a big fat check for
protecting from Soviet invasion for several decades?

Oh: NATO was never actually used for its intended purpose: to thwart
Russian aggression. Did you forget Georgia and Ukraine?

Fuck Europe. They have no real interest in preventing further wars in
Europe and turn a blind eye as it keeps happening time and time again.
David Johnston
2021-05-03 22:10:35 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own
f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
No, they were very interested in Serbia. They were afraid of it turning
into an expansionistic nation dominating the Balkans.
You're seriously deluded, Johnston. Yugoslavia fell apart thanks to
Europe's premature recognition of its constituent states, none of which
were instantly capable of being nation-states that recognized each
other's boundaries as inviolate. Germany pushed this and the rest of
Europe went along, somehow forgetting that fucking around in the Balkans
guarantees war.
For the first time the European Union was debating a military
intervention. The Americans came in to nip that in the bud before they
realized that with the Cold War over, Europe didn't really need NATO
any more.
Are the Europeans going to write the United States a big fat check for
protecting from Soviet invasion for several decades?
Why would they? The United States was serving it's own agenda.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Oh: NATO was never actually used for its intended purpose: to thwart
Russian aggression. Did you forget Georgia and Ukraine?
Georgia and the Ukrain were never part of NATO. They were however, part
of Russia. NATO served it's real intended purpose. Along with SEATO it
gave the United States global force projection to serve the agenda of
discouraging further Communist expansion.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Fuck Europe. They have no real interest in preventing further wars in
Europe and turn a blind eye as it keeps happening time and time again.
Adam H. Kerman
2021-05-04 01:14:46 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Name a reason for NATO to give a fuck about Afghanistan.
You are right. They didn't even care about Bosnia in their own f------ backyard till
the U.S. intervened.
That is of course false. The United States intervened because the
European Union was on the verge of intervening, which would have meant
the end of NATO and the loss of that airbase in Germany.
"On the verge." "We're doing it! Yes sir; any minute now!" Europeans were disinterested, greedy and cowardly.
No, they were very interested in Serbia. They were afraid of it turning
into an expansionistic nation dominating the Balkans.
You're seriously deluded, Johnston. Yugoslavia fell apart thanks to
Europe's premature recognition of its constituent states, none of which
were instantly capable of being nation-states that recognized each
other's boundaries as inviolate. Germany pushed this and the rest of
Europe went along, somehow forgetting that fucking around in the Balkans
guarantees war.
Are you going to own up to your misrepresentation of the situation in
Yugoslavia?
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by David Johnston
For the first time the European Union was debating a military
intervention. The Americans came in to nip that in the bud before they
realized that with the Cold War over, Europe didn't really need NATO
any more.
Are the Europeans going to write the United States a big fat check for
protecting from Soviet invasion for several decades?
Why would they? The United States was serving it's own agenda.
Bullshit.

I must have missed the day they taught history that western Europe
wanted to be dominated by Russia, the way you learned it.
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Oh: NATO was never actually used for its intended purpose: to thwart
Russian aggression. Did you forget Georgia and Ukraine?
Georgia and the Ukrain were never part of NATO.
Ukraine was thinking about it. Georgia was too early. Nevertheless,
constraining Russian aggression was NATO's literal mission.

Are you denying this?
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They were however, part of Russia.
Not after 1991.
Post by David Johnston
NATO served it's real intended purpose. Along with SEATO it
gave the United States global force projection to serve the agenda of
discouraging further Communist expansion.
SEATO wasn't real, just a pretend peacekeeping mission for Indochina
that Australia and New Zealand gave mere lip service to.
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Fuck Europe. They have no real interest in preventing further wars in
Europe and turn a blind eye as it keeps happening time and time again.
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