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PERRY MASON 2020 Some slight spoilers sort of but mostly background discussion
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anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 06:28:58 UTC
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Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.

Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.

I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.

I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.

Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.

Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.

The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.

Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
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alvey
2020-06-23 07:34:08 UTC
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Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
Yep, I've only seen E01 and boring it is. Cliches abound; the unshaven,
hard drinkin, brilliant detective/punching bag but flawed person are all
ticked off in rapid order. The dialogue is as lazy & predictable as every
other B detective show and its sole 'innovation' is to try to tell us that
people in the 1930s said "fuck" all the time, an assertion seriously
undercut when a judge warns Mason not to say "Goddam" again in his court.
If E02 isn't a significant improvement then that'll be The End.



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Horace LaBadie
2020-06-23 12:00:56 UTC
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Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye.
I vaguely remember one of the old theatrical movies with Warren William
in which Mason used the name Paul Drake when he went out snooping as a
kind of smokescreen.

I would rather watch Monte Markham than this.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 16:53:57 UTC
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Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye.
I vaguely remember one of the old theatrical movies with Warren William
in which Mason used the name Paul Drake when he went out snooping as a
kind of smokescreen.
I would rather watch Monte Markham than this.
Heh. The original Bionic Man! I always liked Markham.
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suzeeq
2020-06-23 14:45:04 UTC
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Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
Post by anim8rfsk
Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
Post by anim8rfsk
I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
I liked it. But I like 1930s LA stories.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 16:59:42 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
I missed that. Any idea where that came?
Post by suzeeq
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
The MC at the party who was the bad guy who gave Mason the dollar. He was
done up to look like Groucho Marx. When he first appears at the party, you
hear a woman's voice say "he looks like Groucho Marx"
I suspect he was originally supposed to be Groucho Marx, and they chickened
out on it.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
IMDb sez she was. I assume she could have been at the church.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
I liked it. But I like 1930s LA stories.
Me too. But not this one.
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2020-06-23 17:23:54 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
I missed that. Any idea where that came?
Did you miss a word there? I take it that he didn't have any clients so
took on other work. He did do some investigation in some of the books
and tv shows.
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by suzeeq
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
The MC at the party who was the bad guy who gave Mason the dollar. He was
done up to look like Groucho Marx. When he first appears at the party, you
hear a woman's voice say "he looks like Groucho Marx"
I suspect he was originally supposed to be Groucho Marx, and they chickened
out on it.
Oh, I didn't remember that.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
IMDb sez she was. I assume she could have been at the church.
There was a church in this epsode?
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
I liked it. But I like 1930s LA stories.
Me too. But not this one.
I'll stick with it.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 19:11:18 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's.
Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He
has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things,
he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
I missed that. Any idea where that came?
Did you miss a word there? I take it that he didn't have any clients so
took on other work. He did do some investigation in some of the books
and tv shows.
I was asking if you could tell me more closely when in the episode they said
Mason was an attorney. Because, yes, I missed it.
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investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
The MC at the party who was the bad guy who gave Mason the dollar. He was
done up to look like Groucho Marx. When he first appears at the party, you
hear a woman's voice say "he looks like Groucho Marx"
I suspect he was originally supposed to be Groucho Marx, and they chickened
out on it.
Oh, I didn't remember that.
Yeah, it was weird. I'm not sure if they intended that the guy was supposed
to be Groucho, or just looked like Groucho, or was dressed up as Groucho for
the party (who wears a costume to host a new years eve party?) or what.
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Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
IMDb sez she was. I assume she could have been at the church.
There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Post by suzeeq
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I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
I liked it. But I like 1930s LA stories.
Me too. But not this one.
I'll stick with it.
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Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
I missed that. Any idea where that came?
Did you miss a word there? I take it that he didn't have any clients so
took on other work. He did do some investigation in some of the books
and tv shows.
I was asking if you could tell me more closely when in the episode they said
Mason was an attorney. Because, yes, I missed it.
No I meant a word in your question. Like maybe - came from.
I don't remember the exact words, but I think someone referred to him as
a lawyer.
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investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
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Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
The MC at the party who was the bad guy who gave Mason the dollar. He was
done up to look like Groucho Marx. When he first appears at the party, you
hear a woman's voice say "he looks like Groucho Marx"
I suspect he was originally supposed to be Groucho Marx, and they chickened
out on it.
Oh, I didn't remember that.
Yeah, it was weird. I'm not sure if they intended that the guy was supposed
to be Groucho, or just looked like Groucho, or was dressed up as Groucho for
the party (who wears a costume to host a new years eve party?) or what.
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Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
IMDb sez she was. I assume she could have been at the church.
There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Terminator? Now I know you're seeing things that weren't in the episode.

Some of it I couldn't hear or see too well, so I could have missed part
or scene or two.
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2020-06-23 20:38:42 UTC
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Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66
(with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living
as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also
star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases.
Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The
Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's.
Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He
has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things,
he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast
is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason
beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations -
and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated
as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set
at
the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
I missed that. Any idea where that came?
Did you miss a word there? I take it that he didn't have any clients so
took on other work. He did do some investigation in some of the books
and tv shows.
I was asking if you could tell me more closely when in the episode they said
Mason was an attorney. Because, yes, I missed it.
No I meant a word in your question. Like maybe - came from.
I don't remember the exact words, but I think someone referred to him as
a lawyer.
Oh. No, I meant 'where that came' as in 'when that happened' or 'when that
was'
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investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows.
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
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Post by anim8rfsk
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come
from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx
being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin
was
the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a
lie
or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho;
there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx"
Maybe
they chickened out on it.
What are you babbling about?
The MC at the party who was the bad guy who gave Mason the dollar. He was
done up to look like Groucho Marx. When he first appears at the party, you
hear a woman's voice say "he looks like Groucho Marx"
I suspect he was originally supposed to be Groucho Marx, and they chickened
out on it.
Oh, I didn't remember that.
Yeah, it was weird. I'm not sure if they intended that the guy was supposed
to be Groucho, or just looked like Groucho, or was dressed up as Groucho for
the party (who wears a costume to host a new years eve party?) or what.
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Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
Was she even in this episode?
IMDb sez she was. I assume she could have been at the church.
There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Terminator? Now I know you're seeing things that weren't in the episode.
LOL! The religious guy that hired them was Robert Patrick, the Terminator
T-1000
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Some of it I couldn't hear or see too well, so I could have missed part
or scene or two.
Yeah, it was awfully dark, and I ran the CC, and I swear there were times the
people's mouths weren't moving at all.
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2020-06-23 21:46:57 UTC
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There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Terminator? Now I know you're seeing things that weren't in the episode.
LOL! The religious guy that hired them was Robert Patrick, the Terminator
T-1000
Oh, him. I wasn't actually looking at the screen, just listening mostly
in that scene. So if sister Grace was there, I didn't notice.
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Some of it I couldn't hear or see too well, so I could have missed part
or scene or two.
Yeah, it was awfully dark, and I ran the CC, and I swear there were times the
people's mouths weren't moving at all.
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2020-06-23 23:04:05 UTC
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There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Terminator? Now I know you're seeing things that weren't in the episode.
LOL! The religious guy that hired them was Robert Patrick, the Terminator
T-1000
Oh, him. I wasn't actually looking at the screen, just listening mostly
in that scene. So if sister Grace was there, I didn't notice.
They talk about her

A *lot* of church people are credited on IMDb for this ep ...
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Some of it I couldn't hear or see too well, so I could have missed part
or scene or two.
Yeah, it was awfully dark, and I ran the CC, and I swear there were times the
people's mouths weren't moving at all.
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2020-06-23 23:51:56 UTC
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There was a church in this epsode?
They had that meeting at the Terminator's house I guess. Could have been a
church office. There were some people wandering around.
Terminator? Now I know you're seeing things that weren't in the episode.
LOL! The religious guy that hired them was Robert Patrick, the Terminator
T-1000
Oh, him. I wasn't actually looking at the screen, just listening mostly
in that scene. So if sister Grace was there, I didn't notice.
They talk about her
I knew she wasn't in this one. Maybe we get to meet her next week.
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A *lot* of church people are credited on IMDb for this ep ...
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-23 17:39:54 UTC
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. . .
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted. . . .
100% written up to that point; the last dozen novels would have been
written too late to be adapted into the tv series, of course. I haven't
looked up to see what was adapted later.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 19:14:42 UTC
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. . .
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted. . . .
100% written up to that point; the last dozen novels would have been
written too late to be adapted into the tv series, of course. I haven't
looked up to see what was adapted later.
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2020-06-23 20:58:44 UTC
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. . .
Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted. . . .
100% written up to that point; the last dozen novels would have been
written too late to be adapted into the tv series, of course. I haven't
looked up to see what was adapted later.
TY
Unlike a lot of adaptations that adapts from the first novel of a series
only, they bought rights to everything up front.
Horace LaBadie
2020-06-23 18:18:37 UTC
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Because there are 3 times as many Raymond Burr shows as there are Gardner
novels and stories. I'm not sure what percentage of published material has
been adapted.
And some of scripts for the early Burr shows were later rewritten with
minimal changes, and done again in the last season.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-23 17:30:07 UTC
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. . .
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows. . . .
Oh, c'mon, suzeeq. That's not true at all. What is true is that every
Erle Stanley Gardner novel and short story (written up till that point)
was adapted for television, without exception, but as there were 271
episodes over 9 seasons, most of the scripts were written directly for
television.

The 1957 television series was an adaption, although the setting was
changed to modern times and, generally, the major elements of police
corruption were dropped.

The HBO series isn't an adaptation at all. They merely licensed the
character names and used them for unrelated characters.
suzeeq
2020-06-23 19:03:05 UTC
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. . .
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows. . . .
Oh, c'mon, suzeeq. That's not true at all. What is true is that every
Erle Stanley Gardner novel and short story (written up till that point)
was adapted for television, without exception, but as there were 271
episodes over 9 seasons, most of the scripts were written directly for
television.
Sure. I never said otherwise.
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The 1957 television series was an adaption, although the setting was
changed to modern times and, generally, the major elements of police
corruption were dropped.
The HBO series isn't an adaptation at all. They merely licensed the
character names and used them for unrelated characters.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-23 21:03:25 UTC
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. . .
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows. . . .
Oh, c'mon, suzeeq. That's not true at all. What is true is that every
Erle Stanley Gardner novel and short story (written up till that point)
was adapted for television, without exception, but as there were 271
episodes over 9 seasons, most of the scripts were written directly for
television.
Sure. I never said otherwise.
I'm disagreeing with what you said, that the 1957 tv series is
comparable to the 2020 tv series. In 1957, the stories written directly
for television were still set in the same universe as the adapted
stories and used the same characters.

Here, we have a story written for television, not an adaptation, that
isn't using the same characters, just their names. That's not comparable.
Given that Mason is miserable, feeling sorry for himself, and isn't
practicing law, and given a prequel story that really doesn't fit in
well, that's just not Perry Mason.
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
The 1957 television series was an adaption, although the setting was
changed to modern times and, generally, the major elements of police
corruption were dropped.
The HBO series isn't an adaptation at all. They merely licensed the
character names and used them for unrelated characters.
suzeeq
2020-06-23 21:49:40 UTC
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. . .
They said in the episode he was an attorney, but he was acting as an
investigator for the lawyer. And yeah, while the early books were set in
the 1930s, this isn't a plot from one of them. Neither were most of the
1950s-1960s tv shows. . . .
Oh, c'mon, suzeeq. That's not true at all. What is true is that every
Erle Stanley Gardner novel and short story (written up till that point)
was adapted for television, without exception, but as there were 271
episodes over 9 seasons, most of the scripts were written directly for
television.
Sure. I never said otherwise.
I'm disagreeing with what you said, that the 1957 tv series is
comparable to the 2020 tv series. In 1957, the stories written directly
for television were still set in the same universe as the adapted
stories and used the same characters.
I think some of the books were used as stories in that series. I
remember thinking some of them were familiar. I read them while the
series was still running, though a few years after they started.
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Here, we have a story written for television, not an adaptation, that
isn't using the same characters, just their names. That's not comparable.
Given that Mason is miserable, feeling sorry for himself, and isn't
practicing law, and given a prequel story that really doesn't fit in
well, that's just not Perry Mason.
He's still young.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-24 03:18:16 UTC
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. . .
I think some of the books were used as stories in that series. I
remember thinking some of them were familiar. I read them while the
series was still running, though a few years after they started.
Every single novel, except I believe the last dozen which would have
been written too late. They definitely adapted novels written after the
series started in 1957.
David Johnston
2020-06-23 17:53:08 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
Seriously. What the hell? Why make Perry Mason a private detective?
Even in the 30s being a lawyer was a better gig and it provides just as
much motivation for private investigattions.
suzeeq
2020-06-23 19:03:49 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
Seriously. What the hell? Why make Perry Mason a private detective?
Even in the 30s being a lawyer was a better gig and it provides just as
much motivation for private investigattions.
Not if you don't have any clients except yourself.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-23 21:39:58 UTC
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. . .
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace. . . .
She played all of the female characters. She's just that good you didn't
realize.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-23 23:03:16 UTC
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. . .
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace. . . .
She played all of the female characters. She's just that good you didn't
realize.
Hee hee

Okay, they *mention* her
In the meeting with The Terminator, they say he's got a church on the radio,
and that's apparently her
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2020-06-25 00:49:33 UTC
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I thought I'd saved previous comments but have failed this newsgroup.
Robin
Perry Mason (miniseries) (9 pm, HBO)
Matthew Rhys (The Americans) stars as the titular criminal defense
attorney in this remake of the classic TV drama that aired in various
forms, most famously as an Emmy-winning series on CBS from 1957-66 (with
Raymond Burr in the title role). HBO's version is also based on the Los
Angeles-set novels and stories by author Erle Stanley Gardner, though
No, it's not
the time period is now 1931, when Mason is trying to eke out a living as
a private investigator and gets drawn into a case involving a child
kidnapping. John Lithgow, Tatiana Maslany, Shea Whigham, Stephen Root,
Nate Corddry, Lili Taylor, Robert Patrick, and Juliet Rylance also star.
suzeeq
Jun 21
Mason in this is a scummy private eye who investiages sleazy cases. Not
exactly Raymond Burr's take. This is Matthew Rhys from "The Americans."
Mason dresses a bit like Indiana Jones as it is set in the early 30's. Not
my favorite era. Mason owns a crappy farm adjacent a small airway. He has
cows as skinny as something from India. Understandably, given things, he's
disenchanted with life a bit. Anyway, it's entertaining and the cast is
top-notch.
I've got a feeling that airport is in Burbank and his land is worth a
The timing is right for the birth of United Airport (original name of
Hollywood-Burbank)
heckuva lot more than they're offering for it. Milk cows are more bony
than beef cows - did you miss the wagon with Mason Dairy written on the
side?
Okay, so ... this has *nothing* to do whatsoever with Perry Mason beyond a
couple of character names; Perry, Della, Paul Drake.
As near as I can tell from Ian's Wiki on the books and adaptations - and,
Ian, you've done a very thorough job here - Mason at no time operated as a
private eye. He was an attorney from the the first book, which was set at the
same time this is. This doesn't seem to be an adaptation of any story,
certainly not any set in the 1930s. The cows, airport, lover, all come from
whole cloth, and contradict what little we do know of PM. Groucho Marx being
evol probably comes from Blake Edwards' SUNSET, where Charlie Chaplin was the
criminal mastermind in a true story of early Hollywood (give or take a lie or
two). Although I'm not sure if he's supposed to be the real Groucho; there's
a voice over in the background that says "he looks like Groucho Marx" Maybe
they chickened out on it.
Directed by Timmy Van Patten? Wow.
I didn't pick out Tatiana Maslany as Sister Grace.
I suppose the brightest spot here is we get to see Madeline Zima from The
Nanny nudely nekkid.
Robert Patrick was almost unrecognizable.
Steven Root's in there somewhere, but I didn't spot him. Unless he was nekkid
with Zima. Gah.
The production values are impressive, but I don't care about the case or the
people at all. It's gruesome and boring. Next week we get flashbacks to the
war. Yawn. And that they tagged it with the Mason name just to suck us in is
frankly offensive. Maybe if they'd called it something else I'd be more
forgiving, or set it a decade earlier when Mason could have been a
pre-lawyer. But they didn't.
Fred-Bob sez "One and done"
Went through it again.

I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)

Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.

Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)

I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.

I still don't know if Groucho was really supposed to be Groucho or just made
up for the party.
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2020-06-25 01:11:39 UTC
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Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
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Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
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I still don't know if Groucho was really supposed to be Groucho or just made
up for the party.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-25 01:28:49 UTC
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Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just getting a
form signed?
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Post by anim8rfsk
Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
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I still don't know if Groucho was really supposed to be Groucho or just made
up for the party.
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2020-06-25 04:56:47 UTC
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Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just getting a
form signed?
Not quite. For a PI license you've got to apprentice for 500 hrs or
something. But I think you don't haven to graduate law school even now.
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Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
You believe IMDb?
anim8rfsk
2020-06-25 05:31:22 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just getting a
form signed?
Not quite. For a PI license you've got to apprentice for 500 hrs or
something.
But on Stumptown the guy just lied and signed her paper.
Post by suzeeq
But I think you don't haven to graduate law school even now.
BTR will know.
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Post by anim8rfsk
Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
You believe IMDb?
I trust Ian.
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suzeeq
2020-06-25 16:25:41 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just getting a
form signed?
Not quite. For a PI license you've got to apprentice for 500 hrs or
something.
But on Stumptown the guy just lied and signed her paper.
That's on Stumptown.
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Post by suzeeq
But I think you don't haven to graduate law school even now.
BTR will know.
Post by suzeeq
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Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
You believe IMDb?
I trust Ian.
You trust Ian?!!
anim8rfsk
2020-06-25 17:38:22 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer,
but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War,
12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just
getting
a
form signed?
Not quite. For a PI license you've got to apprentice for 500 hrs or
something.
But on Stumptown the guy just lied and signed her paper.
That's on Stumptown.
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by suzeeq
But I think you don't haven to graduate law school even now.
BTR will know.
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by suzeeq
Post by anim8rfsk
Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a
crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
You believe IMDb?
I trust Ian.
You trust Ian?!!
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Horace LaBadie
2020-06-25 12:10:38 UTC
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Went through it again.
I found a couple times they mentioned that John Lithgow was a lawyer, but
nothing about Mason being one.
Mason's been working for Lithgow since the war (assuming the Great War, 12
years)
Hmmm. You know, it used to be that people didn't have to go to law
school, they 'apprenticed' with another lawyer. Then took the bar. Maybe
this is a similar situation.
Like on Stumptown, where she became a P.I. in an afternoon buy just getting a
form signed?
Not quite. For a PI license you've got to apprentice for 500 hrs or
something. But I think you don't haven to graduate law school even now.
Reading law is still possible in some states, California being one of
them, but Mason was a law school product in the Burr series. Gardner
himself didn't go to law school before taking the bar exam.
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Sister Grace is in the previews but not in this ep unless she's in a crowd
scene or a background voice or something.
Steven Root is indeed the fat actor having pumpkin pie (suzeeq sits bolt
upright, mountain goats afar look up) with Madeline Zima (Red)
I never spotted Paul Drake, unless he was way in the background, maybe a
random cop.
See since he wasn't in the first episode, I figured he'd show up later.
Like Sister Grace.
I agree with you, it's just that IMDb says they were both in Chapter 1, so I
was double checking.
You believe IMDb?
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