Discussion:
Whatever happened to ... Amber Benson
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Robin Miller
2020-06-29 03:10:15 UTC
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I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.

According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard of:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/


She's written a number of books, mostly fantasy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson

https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson


She has an active, politically-oriented Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/amber_benson

I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 03:26:44 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
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Robin Miller
2020-06-29 03:44:40 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?

--Robin
Arthur Lipscomb
2020-06-29 04:11:35 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
According to Wiki she dated Warren.
Post by Robin Miller
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
This is the first I'm hearing about this hate too.
EGK
2020-06-29 04:12:25 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)

I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Robin Miller
2020-06-29 04:29:37 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.

Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.

--Robin
EGK
2020-06-29 04:49:31 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.

I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
shawn
2020-06-29 04:57:06 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I've never seen anyone expressing hate for Amber. There were certainly
some people who felt the character didn't belong as it did feel forced
but that wasn't Amber's fault and I never saw anyone decrying her for
joining the show.
Ian J. Ball
2020-06-29 05:14:03 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
What are you talking about?!?!! - "Buffy" only ran *one* season!!!1! ;p

(One of the other things I've been "enjoying" about Reddit lately is
seeing the Whedonites "talking down" season #1 of "Buffy", and how
people can "skip" watching it! (WHAT?!?!!) - In a lot of ways, season
#1 is my *favorite season*, and it's certainly *leagues better* than
seasons #4-7 of the show!!

It shows that the Whedonites never got what made the show good in the
first place...)
Post by shawn
I've never seen anyone expressing hate for Amber.
Yeah - while I disliked the Tara character quite a bit (she definitely
came out of left field, and then suddenly was a "major character"), I
never had a problem with Benson, and liked her in the few other things
I've seen her in.
Post by shawn
There were certainly
some people who felt the character didn't belong as it did feel forced
but that wasn't Amber's fault and I never saw anyone decrying her for
joining the show.
Yeah, I never held anything against Benson. My dislike there is
directed at Whedon, Marti Noxon and David Fury (the liar!!).
--
"Who would ever do this to him!?" - HottCiara on DOOL (04-27-2020), asking
who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-29 05:24:46 UTC
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Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
What are you talking about?!?!! - "Buffy" only ran *one* season!!!1! ;p
(One of the other things I've been "enjoying" about Reddit lately is
seeing the Whedonites "talking down" season #1 of "Buffy", and how
people can "skip" watching it! (WHAT?!?!!) - In a lot of ways, season
#1 is my *favorite season*, and it's certainly *leagues better* than
seasons #4-7 of the show!!
It shows that the Whedonites never got what made the show good in the
first place...)
It's the way I remember high school but with fewer monsters.
Post by Ian J. Ball
. . .
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:04:00 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
What are you talking about?!?!! - "Buffy" only ran *one* season!!!1! ;p
(One of the other things I've been "enjoying" about Reddit lately is
seeing the Whedonites "talking down" season #1 of "Buffy", and how
people can "skip" watching it! (WHAT?!?!!) - In a lot of ways, season
#1 is my *favorite season*, and it's certainly *leagues better* than
seasons #4-7 of the show!!
It shows that the Whedonites never got what made the show good in the
first place...)
Post by shawn
I've never seen anyone expressing hate for Amber.
Yeah - while I disliked the Tara character quite a bit (she definitely
came out of left field, and then suddenly was a "major character"), I
never had a problem with Benson, and liked her in the few other things
I've seen her in.
Post by shawn
There were certainly
some people who felt the character didn't belong as it did feel forced
but that wasn't Amber's fault and I never saw anyone decrying her for
joining the show.
Yeah, I never held anything against Benson. My dislike there is
directed at Whedon, Marti Noxon and David Fury (the liar!!).
lol
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The Horny Goat
2020-07-03 15:54:48 UTC
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Post by Ian J. Ball
It shows that the Whedonites never got what made the show good in the
first place...)
Post by shawn
I've never seen anyone expressing hate for Amber.
Yeah - while I disliked the Tara character quite a bit (she definitely
came out of left field, and then suddenly was a "major character"), I
never had a problem with Benson, and liked her in the few other things
I've seen her in.
Post by shawn
There were certainly
some people who felt the character didn't belong as it did feel forced
but that wasn't Amber's fault and I never saw anyone decrying her for
joining the show.
Yeah, I never held anything against Benson. My dislike there is
directed at Whedon, Marti Noxon and David Fury (the liar!!).
Well no question I as a parent of young teen kids did a facepalm when
SMG delivered the following line: "You had sex with Giles? On the hood
of the car? TWICE?!?"

EGK
2020-06-29 14:15:09 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I've never seen anyone expressing hate for Amber. There were certainly
some people who felt the character didn't belong as it did feel forced
but that wasn't Amber's fault and I never saw anyone decrying her for
joining the show.
Yes, I agree. I was conflating the actress and the character and giving
reasons why Tara might have been hated. I suppose their might have been
some resentment towards Benson because of that but I don't really recall any
hate of the actress at all.
Robin Miller
2020-06-29 04:59:34 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections!

And speaking of "whatever happened to," Nicholas Brendon's life and
career really imploded.

--Robin
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-29 05:25:53 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections! . . .
He had one of my all time favorite lines, in that episode after he'd
become a werewolf. "I'm strangely... full."
BTR1701
2020-06-29 05:42:38 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections! . . .
He had one of my all time favorite lines, in that episode after he'd
become a werewolf. "I'm strangely... full."
I liked, "I seem to be experiencing a slight case of nudity here."
BTR1701
2020-06-29 05:32:10 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her
since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who
many people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now.
I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue.
I have to say, the trans-girl on STUPIDGIRL is pretty amazing. I had no
idea she's really a dude until someone here mentioned it and I looked up
the IMDb bio. Looks and seems completely female to me. I applaud his/her
transition skills.
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an agenda though. My
problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of the shows
to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections!
That was my problem with it. Willow was obviously straight for the first
three seasons, then the show got a new boss with an agenda and suddenly
she turned gay, which not only f'd-up the character but always seemed
insulting to gay people as well-- that sexuality really is just a choice
and people can just bounce back and forth from one orientation to
another like flavors of ice cream.

But I didn't blame or dislike Benson for any of that. Wasn't her fault.
FPP
2020-06-29 08:20:39 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her
since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who
many people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now.
I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue.
I have to say, the trans-girl on STUPIDGIRL is pretty amazing. I had no
idea she's really a dude until someone here mentioned it and I looked up
the IMDb bio. Looks and seems completely female to me. I applaud his/her
transition skills.
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an agenda though. My
problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of the shows
to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections!
That was my problem with it. Willow was obviously straight for the first
three seasons, then the show got a new boss with an agenda and suddenly
she turned gay, which not only f'd-up the character but always seemed
insulting to gay people as well-- that sexuality really is just a choice
and people can just bounce back and forth from one orientation to
another like flavors of ice cream.
But I didn't blame or dislike Benson for any of that. Wasn't her fault.
Season 3: Episode 50 "Dopplegangland"

After Vamp Willow and Regular Willow have their first encounter, Willow
tells Buffy "I think she's kind of gay", and then Buffy says "Well
Willow remember, a vampire does not represent who the person was as a
human", and then Angel says "Actually...nevermind".

Almost nothing a character says isn't written... and Wheedon has been
quoted as wanting a gay character from the beginning - but was toying
between Willow and Xander.

It's doubtful everybody (3 characters) were ALL ad-libbing. But what do
I know? You've said I don't actually watch any television... and you're
never wrong.
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
FPP
2020-06-29 08:26:54 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her
since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who
many people felt ruined the series.  :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering. Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now.
I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue.
I have to say, the trans-girl on STUPIDGIRL is pretty amazing. I had no
idea she's really a dude until someone here mentioned it and I looked up
the IMDb bio. Looks and seems completely female to me. I applaud his/her
transition skills.
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an agenda though. My
problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of the shows
to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons.   :D.
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections!
That was my problem with it. Willow was obviously straight for the first
three seasons, then the show got a new boss with an agenda and suddenly
she turned gay, which not only f'd-up the character but always seemed
insulting to gay people as well-- that sexuality really is just a choice
and people can just bounce back and forth from one orientation to
another like flavors of ice cream.
But I didn't blame or dislike Benson for any of that. Wasn't her fault.
Season 3: Episode 50 "Dopplegangland"
After Vamp Willow and Regular Willow have their first encounter, Willow
tells Buffy "I think she's kind of gay", and then Buffy says "Well
Willow remember, a vampire does not represent who the person was as a
human", and then Angel says "Actually...nevermind".
Almost nothing a character says isn't written... and Wheedon has been
quoted as wanting a gay character from the beginning - but was toying
between Willow and Xander.
It's doubtful everybody (3 characters) were ALL ad-libbing.  But what do
I know?  You've said I don't actually watch any television... and you're
never wrong.
Found the exact quotes:

WILLOW: It's horrible. That's me as a vampire? I mean, I'm so evil, and
skanky,
(softly, to Buffy) and I think I'm kind of gay.

BUFFY: Just remember, a vampire's personality has nothing to do with the
person it was.

ANGEL: Well, actually -- (off Buffy's glare) -- that's a good point."

You could make a case it's foreshadowing... in fact, I think I just did.
--
Nuts that spent the last twenty years prepping their bunker to survive
indefinitely in a nuclear winter are giving up after wearing a thin
cloth mask for three weeks. LOL -Matt Haughey

"Leaders who have hidden in a bunker and gassed their own citizens
include Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Donald [Bunker Bitch] Trump." -
Ben Wexler
REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.

Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:02:41 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
I had completely forgotten about Oz. I don't think I ever cared for Seth
Green's character, for some reason. You're right, there was a lot of
competition among fans for Willow's affections!
And speaking of "whatever happened to," Nicholas Brendon's life and
career really imploded.
--Robin
Luckily we've got a spare
--
Join your old RAT friends at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688985234647266/
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-29 05:20:16 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
The writers don't need network notes to excuse how much the scripts stink!
Post by EGK
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-29 17:58:38 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
The writers don't need network notes to excuse how much the scripts stink!
But it helps add that extra zest of managerial interference.
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Adam H. Kerman
2020-06-29 20:57:51 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
The writers don't need network notes to excuse how much the scripts stink!
But it helps add that extra zest of managerial interference.
Traditionally, a pissed-off writer will be inspired to write the network
note into the script for humor.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:02:00 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
Ian would say 1/2 of a season. I think there are several fall off a cliff
moments, Dracula being an easy one to point at, and pin on Noxon.
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I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows now. I
couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or whatever is
currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood is pushing an
agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes the focal point of
the shows to the detriment of the rest of the writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a cliff in
season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely both chime in
saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Ian J. Ball
2020-06-29 18:05:23 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!

:)
--
"Who would ever do this to him!?" - HottCiara on DOOL (04-27-2020), asking
who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!
EGK
2020-06-29 18:17:11 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
:)
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 19:06:35 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)

I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.

Ian, would you agree:

"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"

I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
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2020-06-29 19:29:00 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.

I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
--
"Who would ever do this to him!?" - HottCiara on DOOL (04-27-2020), asking
who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 23:53:27 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her
since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked
her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what
some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
--
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2020-06-29 23:57:00 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
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Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then
better at the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
David Fury is A LIAR.


Ian (Somebody else has peddled this same line for some other TV show
that lost a cast member, IIRC, but I can't remember who it was...)
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who would stab Victor Kirakis... How about ANYONE WHO'S EVER MET HIM??!!
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I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much
in BtVS, and not
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just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've
rarely seen her
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since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in
movies I've never
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https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
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https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of
things, but I'm
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unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm
watching old BtVS
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episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her
with a fiery
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passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular
with fans, at
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least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know
like her?
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I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti
Noxon who was
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the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character
and who many
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people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice
enough in
Post by Ian J. Ball
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Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest
Willow was gay
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I
don't know
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the
time, but I
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much
fans liked
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay
or trans or
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the
agenda becomes
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or
Oz also had
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what
some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
Shirley you jest.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 07:31:21 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:05:23 -0700, Ian J.
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much
in BtVS, and not
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've
rarely seen her
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in
movies I've never
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of
things, but I'm
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm
watching old BtVS
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her
with a fiery
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular
with fans, at
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know
like her?
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti
Noxon who was
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character
and who many
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice
enough in
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest
Willow was gay
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I
don't know
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the
time, but I
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much
fans liked
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay
or trans or
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the
agenda becomes
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or
Oz also had
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what
some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
Shirley you jest.
Shhhh. Ian hates it when I say that!
--
Join your old RAT friends at
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Post by anim8rfsk
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:05:23 -0700, Ian J.
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Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much
in BtVS, and not
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've
rarely seen her
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in
movies I've never
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
She has an active, politically-oriented
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of
things, but I'm
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm
watching old BtVS
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her
with a fiery
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular
with fans, at
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know
like her?
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti
Noxon who was
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character
and who many
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice
enough in
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest
Willow was gay
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
before. It made it seem to a some people like the
writers were
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I
don't know
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the
time, but I
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much
fans liked
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about
the CW shows
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay
or trans or
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when
Hollywood
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the
agenda becomes
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or
Oz also had
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly
don't remember
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just
coincided with what
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr
will liikely
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half
length first
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and
then better
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
Shirley you jest.
Shhhh. Ian hates it when I say that!
Ah. Carry on then.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 17:01:06 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:05:23 -0700, Ian J.
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much
in BtVS, and not
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've
rarely seen her
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in
movies I've never
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
She has an active, politically-oriented
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of
things, but I'm
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm
watching old BtVS
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her
with a fiery
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular
with fans, at
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know
like her?
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti
Noxon who was
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character
and who many
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice
enough in
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest
Willow was gay
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
before. It made it seem to a some people like the
writers were
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and
Tara became
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I
don't know
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the
time, but I
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much
fans liked
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
Post by Robin Miller
her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about
the CW shows
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay
or trans or
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when
Hollywood
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the
agenda becomes
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or
Oz also had
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly
don't remember
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just
coincided with what
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr
will liikely
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half
length first
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several
jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue
on?"
I would say end at the end of 1 or 3. I don't think ending with season
2 makes much sense.
I definitely agree that there's no point in going past season #3, esp.
past the first 6 episodes of season #4.
Post by anim8rfsk
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and
then better
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by Robin Miller
Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by anim8rfsk
at
the end.
"Angel" ended for me after 10 episodes - when they killed off Doyle,
and changed the show for the worse... :|
That was always planned.
Shirley you jest.
Shhhh. Ian hates it when I say that!
Ah. Carry on then.
:)
--
Join your old RAT friends at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688985234647266/
EGK
2020-06-29 19:30:11 UTC
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Post by Ian J. Ball
Post by EGK
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 00:29:37 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since
then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS
episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at
least the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was
the one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many
people felt ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were
pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became
gay icons.
I understand and remember the Marti Noxon hate, although I don't know
why that would be turned against Amber.
Maybe I was just in a bubble of Amber Benson fans at the time, but I
actually remember thinking it was a little crazy how much fans liked her.
--Robin
It's probably similar to how a lot of people feel about the CW shows
now. I couldn't care less if characters are straight or gay or trans or
whatever is currently in vogue. It's pretty obvious when Hollywood
is pushing an agenda though. My problem comes when the agenda becomes
the focal point of the shows to the detriment of the rest of the
writing.
I think that and "shippers" who wanted Willow with Xander or Oz also had
something to do with any dislike for Tara. I honestly don't remember
being a lot of dislike for her. Her arrival just coincided with what some
fans felt was a gradual decline of the series. Then a fall off a
cliff in season 6 when Noxon took over. Ian and Anim8tr will liikely
both chime in saying the show only ran 3 seasons. :D.
A short one season only! :D
You are CORRECT, sir!!
hah. Are you reducing the seasons at you age or am I misremembering? I
thought you used to say it ended when they graduated HS? :)
That's me. Ian says it only has one season (which is the half length first
season)
I say it ends when they blow up the high school, but there are several jump
the shark points, most if not all of which can be traced to Marti Noxon.
"It's better to stop at the end of ANY season of Buffy than to continue on?"
I wouldn't say that for Angel which got bad in the middle and then better at
the end.
I would agree with your general take on both series. I've always said all
the seasons had a few standout episodes but they could have easily ended
BTVS at the end of season 3 and definitely the end of season 5. I had
actually managed to block out much of season 6 till this thread made me
search google a bit. uggghh

Angel did get bad and extremely muddled in the middle then finished well.
Alan Smithee
2020-06-30 13:12:44 UTC
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I would agree with your general take on both series. I've always said all
the seasons had a few standout episodes but they could have easily ended
BTVS at the end of season 3 and definitely the end of season 5. I had
actually managed to block out much of season 6 till this thread made me
search google a bit.
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.

Originally many fans hated Tara because she replaced OZ and they wrote
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 17:09:59 UTC
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Post by Alan Smithee
I would agree with your general take on both series. I've always said all
the seasons had a few standout episodes but they could have easily ended
BTVS at the end of season 3 and definitely the end of season 5. I had
actually managed to block out much of season 6 till this thread made me
search google a bit.
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
Well, yeah, by that point the rest of the show was such a shitstorm, Tara
looked good by comparison.
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2020-06-30 17:23:49 UTC
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Post by Alan Smithee
I would agree with your general take on both series. I've always said all
the seasons had a few standout episodes but they could have easily ended
BTVS at the end of season 3 and definitely the end of season 5. I had
actually managed to block out much of season 6 till this thread made me
search google a bit.
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
Well, yeah, by that point the rest of the show was such a shitstorm, Tara
looked good by comparison.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
Alan Smithee
2020-06-30 18:34:03 UTC
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Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
https://web.archive.org/web/20011005062916/http://www.bronzebeta.com/Archive/BronzeArchive.htm
EGK
2020-06-30 19:39:18 UTC
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Post by Alan Smithee
Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
https://web.archive.org/web/20011005062916/http://www.bronzebeta.com/Archive/BronzeArchive.htm
I posted in the BTVS newsgroup while the show was on but didn't pay
attention to web forums. I believe you and do remember a lot of hate
towards "Tara". I just didn't remember it transferring to hate for the
actress.

This thread got me to start watching from season 1.

Anim8tr, if you read this, it seems Hulu is showing them in the original
4x3 format. At least there are black bars on the sides of season 1
episodes. Does it change later on? I was watching all of NYPD Blue on
Amazon prime a couple of months ago and it started out all 4x3 then in later
seasons the episodes were wide screen.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 22:14:05 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by Alan Smithee
Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
https://web.archive.org/web/20011005062916/http://www.bronzebeta.com/Archive
/BronzeArchive.htm
I posted in the BTVS newsgroup while the show was on but didn't pay
attention to web forums. I believe you and do remember a lot of hate
towards "Tara". I just didn't remember it transferring to hate for the
actress.
This thread got me to start watching from season 1.
Anim8tr, if you read this, it seems Hulu is showing them in the original
4x3 format. At least there are black bars on the sides of season 1
episodes. Does it change later on? I was watching all of NYPD Blue on
Amazon prime a couple of months ago and it started out all 4x3 then in later
seasons the episodes were wide screen.
I think they may have only vandalized the later Buffy eps that are in 35mm.
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2020-06-30 20:32:18 UTC
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Post by Alan Smithee
Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
https://web.archive.org/web/20011005062916/http://www.bronzebeta.com/Archive/B
ronzeArchive.htm
The sexist racist Facebook Buffy group posted this today for Happy Pride Day
(ugly URL direct link to JPG viewable without Facebook)
https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-
9/74267891_10157990183636311_3374041839643941907_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=110
474&_nc_ohc=vhztt6v1viQAX9gbrXs&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-
1.fna&oh=5a0f04e073f309975781ce9db9fa89ac&oe=5F21201D

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8fj44mo
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2020-06-30 21:06:42 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Alan Smithee
Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
The sexist racist Facebook Buffy group posted this today for Happy Pride Day
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8fj44mo
So does this mean Willow is banging both Oz and Tara now?
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 22:36:02 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Alan Smithee
Post by Alan Smithee
Reportedly Buffy was supposed to end with season 5 but it was renewed at
the last minute. By this time Whedon was barely on the set (now doing
"Firefly") and S.M.G *strongly* disliked doing the series without him
and didn't want to continue.
angry posts on public forums that attacked the actress. But by season
six the Tara character was well accepted by most of the Oz-Willow
'shippers.
I remember everything Alan just posted except for the part about people
attacking the actress. I don't recall that but I'm not surprised. Like i
said, people get very strident in discussing their views even on newsgroups
like that. People end up taking sides.
You can wade thru some of the hate posts altho it's probably not worth
it. :-D
The sexist racist Facebook Buffy group posted this today for Happy Pride Day
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8fj44mo
So does this mean Willow is banging both Oz and Tara now?
That was suggested in the sexist racist Facebook group.
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2020-06-29 09:54:45 UTC
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Post by EGK
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
I thought the eps with "vampire Willow" set that up.

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anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 15:59:53 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Well, Doppleganger Vampire Willow was described as 'skanky and kind of gay'
(although she was clearly omnisexual).

I didn't realize man hating show killer Noxious was behind it, but that's as
good a reason to dislike it as any.
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2020-06-29 16:20:30 UTC
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Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Well, Doppleganger Vampire Willow was described as 'skanky and kind of gay'
(although she was clearly omnisexual).
I didn't realize man hating show killer Noxious was behind it, but that's as
good a reason to dislike it as any.
I do remember now that people argued it was all foreshadowed by Vampire
Willow.

The problem with debating it on the BTVS newsgroup was, just like always on
usenet, people are often strident in their opinions. Gay rights activists
insisted Willow was GAY ONLY and like BTR said, that meant the show gave
the impression that being gay was a choice and you could switch back and
forth.

Willow shown pining for Xander then being in love with Oz wasn't even the
image of someone confused by their sexuality.

None of that had anything to do with Amber Benson, the actress.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:42:44 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Well, Doppleganger Vampire Willow was described as 'skanky and kind of gay'
(although she was clearly omnisexual).
I didn't realize man hating show killer Noxious was behind it, but that's as
good a reason to dislike it as any.
I do remember now that people argued it was all foreshadowed by Vampire
Willow.
The problem with debating it on the BTVS newsgroup was, just like always on
usenet, people are often strident in their opinions.
The Buffy people more so than ever to this day. But they aren't even
opinions, they're just misstatements of fact.
Post by EGK
Gay rights activists
insisted Willow was GAY ONLY and like BTR said, that meant the show gave
the impression that being gay was a choice and you could switch back and
forth.
Willow shown pining for Xander then being in love with Oz wasn't even the
image of someone confused by their sexuality.
None of that had anything to do with Amber Benson, the actress.
Agreed. I recall enjoying her as the alternate Natalie Morales (sigh) on THE
MIDDLEMAN.
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2020-06-29 16:50:54 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Well, Doppleganger Vampire Willow was described as 'skanky and kind of gay'
(although she was clearly omnisexual).
I didn't realize man hating show killer Noxious was behind it, but that's as
good a reason to dislike it as any.
I do remember now that people argued it was all foreshadowed by Vampire
Willow.
The problem with debating it on the BTVS newsgroup was, just like always on
usenet, people are often strident in their opinions.
The Buffy people more so than ever to this day. But they aren't even
opinions, they're just misstatements of fact.
Have you watched the series in years? I haven't. I remember when the show
was on the air, I lost UPN access on cable here and George Avalos sent me
VHS copies for a while till I discovered torrents. :D

I'm not sure if it's streaming anywhere but probably is. I have the whole
series on DVD. I've always said even the worst seasons of TV shows tend to
play better when you can watch at your own pace and without commercials.
Season 6 would sure be a good test of that theory.
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
Gay rights activists
insisted Willow was GAY ONLY and like BTR said, that meant the show gave
the impression that being gay was a choice and you could switch back and
forth.
Willow shown pining for Xander then being in love with Oz wasn't even the
image of someone confused by their sexuality.
None of that had anything to do with Amber Benson, the actress.
Agreed. I recall enjoying her as the alternate Natalie Morales (sigh) on THE
MIDDLEMAN.
I can't even name anything else she's been in but i'm sure I've seen her in
other projects.
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:59:17 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:44:40 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not
just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
According to IMDb, she continues to appear in movies I've never heard
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm
unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery
passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
I'm not Anim8tr but I bet I can give his answer. Marti Noxon who was the
one responsible for bringing Tara in as a character and who many people
felt
ruined the series. :)
I didn't mind the addition of Tara and Amber seemed nice enough in
interviews but there was nothing in the show to suggest Willow was gay
before. It made it seem to a some people like the writers were pandering.
Lots of fans did love the character and loved Willow and Tara became gay
icons.
Well, Doppleganger Vampire Willow was described as 'skanky and kind of gay'
(although she was clearly omnisexual).
I didn't realize man hating show killer Noxious was behind it, but that's as
good a reason to dislike it as any.
I do remember now that people argued it was all foreshadowed by Vampire
Willow.
The problem with debating it on the BTVS newsgroup was, just like always on
usenet, people are often strident in their opinions.
The Buffy people more so than ever to this day. But they aren't even
opinions, they're just misstatements of fact.
Have you watched the series in years? I haven't. I remember when the show
was on the air, I lost UPN access on cable here and George Avalos sent me
VHS copies for a while till I discovered torrents. :D
I'm not sure if it's streaming anywhere but probably is.
Unfortunately the only stuff you find airing (same with Angel) is the horrid
16:9 versions.
I have the whole
series on DVD. I've always said even the worst seasons of TV shows tend to
play better when you can watch at your own pace and without commercials.
Season 6 would sure be a good test of that theory.
I watched 6 & 7 one time only. I doubt I'll ever go back in there again.
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by EGK
Gay rights activists
insisted Willow was GAY ONLY and like BTR said, that meant the show gave
the impression that being gay was a choice and you could switch back and
forth.
Willow shown pining for Xander then being in love with Oz wasn't even the
image of someone confused by their sexuality.
None of that had anything to do with Amber Benson, the actress.
Agreed. I recall enjoying her as the alternate Natalie Morales (sigh) on THE
MIDDLEMAN.
I can't even name anything else she's been in but i'm sure I've seen her in
other projects.
I've neither seen nor heard of any of her movies. I've heard of a few of her
TV appearances but don't think I've seen any other than Buffy.
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2020-06-29 15:54:52 UTC
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I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
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Robin Miller
2020-06-29 16:38:23 UTC
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I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 16:54:17 UTC
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Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
--Robin
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Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-29 18:01:46 UTC
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Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:44:40 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or
something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
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Robin Miller
2020-06-29 18:35:34 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:44:40 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 19:08:24 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
--Robin
Rule 34- If it exists, there is porn of it.
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Robin Miller
2020-06-29 19:17:04 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by anim8rfsk
The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
--Robin
Rule 34- If it exists, there is porn of it.
Makes sense.

:-)

--Robin
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-29 20:17:12 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:44:40 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
Sun, 28 Jun 2020 20:10:15 -0700 Robin
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Benson
https://www.amazon.com/Amber-Benson/e/B001IU2TNW
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/58695/amber-benson
https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? When she was on BtVS she seemed very popular with fans, at least
the ones I knew online. Why don't fans you know like her?
--Robin
I think there are a lot of different contingents. I know there are Oz
worshippers that blame her for keeping him and Willow apart even though he
had nothing to do with it. There are a lot that find her unattractive,
although it's unclear to me if they don't like her because they think she's
unattractive, or if they think she's unattractive because they don't like
her, and either way, geez, it's not like she's a hunchback or something. I
don't think there's much of a problem with her being gay, but I'd bet there
are a lot of people in the "If Willow's gonna be with a girl she should be
with Buffy!" camp. The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and
Vampire Willow ...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
"Internet Rule #34 There is porn of it. No exceptions."
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anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 23:59:30 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
"Internet Rule #34 There is porn of it. No exceptions."
I'm waiting for my ice cream porn.
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2020-06-30 00:09:12 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
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Post by Robin Miller
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
"Internet Rule #34 There is porn of it. No exceptions."
I'm waiting for my ice cream porn.
You can just keep on waiting.
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2020-06-30 02:42:11 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
"Internet Rule #34 There is porn of it. No exceptions."
I'm waiting for my ice cream porn.
You can just keep on waiting.
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Post by Robin Miller
Well, that's a little ... different!
Is it Rule 34 material?
That's a woosh! for me.
"Internet Rule #34 There is porn of it. No exceptions."
I'm waiting for my ice cream porn.
When is Thanny stopping by?
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2020-06-29 17:41:23 UTC
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The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and Vampire Willow...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Now *this* is a scene I'd love to see done live!

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2020-06-29 17:49:28 UTC
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The Peach used to read a funny comic about Buffy and Vampire Willow...
hey! It's still out there!
https://jim.com/Buffy/Buffy01.htm
Now *this* is a scene I'd love to see done live!
https://jim.com/Buffy/05.jpg
Bull!
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2020-06-29 08:52:30 UTC
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That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
I have never heard that before now.

I do recall a lot of outrage when Tara died, however.

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2020-07-03 15:52:00 UTC
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https://twitter.com/amber_benson
I guess the upshot is that she's doing a lot of things, but I'm unlikely
to see her again on TV unless I'm watching old BtVS episodes.
--Robin
That's interesting because most Buffy fans hate her with a fiery passion
usually reserved for Warren and his friends. :)
Really? My household were big Buffy fans 'in the day' and we certainly
never felt that way about her...
shawn
2020-06-29 07:32:49 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:10:15 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
Yeah, she's essentially off my radar with the projects she's been in.
I will say she looks much the same (just older). Here is a video from
just a few months ago with Bensen, Rohm, Kramer and Marsters:


Robin Miller
2020-06-29 18:34:14 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:10:15 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
Yeah, she's essentially off my radar with the projects she's been in.
I will say she looks much the same (just older). Here is a video from
http://youtu.be/SywX9Sxu2_s
Cool, Shawn, thanks! I have saved this to watch once evening.

James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of. He has lots of
credits on IMDb:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/

But I didn't watch The Order or Runaways or Witches of East End or
Smallville, and I have no idea what Vidiots was. So I really haven't
seen him in anything in years.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2020-06-29 19:07:19 UTC
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James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of.
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!
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2020-06-30 00:04:51 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:10:15 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
Yeah, she's essentially off my radar with the projects she's been in.
I will say she looks much the same (just older).  Here is a video from
http://youtu.be/SywX9Sxu2_s
Cool, Shawn, thanks! I have saved this to watch once evening.
James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of. He has lots of
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/
But I didn't watch The Order or Runaways or Witches of East End or
Smallville, and I have no idea what Vidiots was. So I really haven't
seen him in anything in years.
--Robin
I watched him on Smallville and Runaways (which I need to finish
watching). It's always a little weird when I see him outside of Buffy
since he's not doing the British accent and his normal American accent
sounds fake to me. Yeah, I *know* he's American, still sounds weird.
Robin Miller
2020-06-30 00:31:53 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Cool, Shawn, thanks! I have saved this to watch once evening.
James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of. He has lots
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/
But I didn't watch The Order or Runaways or Witches of East End or
Smallville, and I have no idea what Vidiots was. So I really haven't
seen him in anything in years.
--Robin
I watched him on Smallville and Runaways (which I need to finish
watching).  It's always a little weird when I see him outside of Buffy
since he's not doing the British accent and his normal American accent
sounds fake to me.  Yeah, I *know* he's American, still sounds weird.
It's funny, I have the same reaction!

I still laugh when I remember the scene with Spike in a car parked in a
parking lot, he's been drinking a lot, he opens the door and falls out.
Spike just really cracked me up.

--Robin
anim8rfsk
2020-06-30 02:41:47 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:10:15 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
Yeah, she's essentially off my radar with the projects she's been in.
I will say she looks much the same (just older). Here is a video from
http://youtu.be/SywX9Sxu2_s
Cool, Shawn, thanks! I have saved this to watch once evening.
James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of. He has lots of
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/
But I didn't watch The Order or Runaways or Witches of East End or
Smallville, and I have no idea what Vidiots was. So I really haven't
seen him in anything in years.
--Robin
I watched him on Smallville and Runaways (which I need to finish
watching). It's always a little weird when I see him outside of Buffy
since he's not doing the British accent and his normal American accent
sounds fake to me. Yeah, I *know* he's American, still sounds weird.
Yeah, he sounds, not like he's hiding a metric accent, but like he's forcing
a different American regional accent.
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2020-06-30 02:04:56 UTC
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Post by Robin Miller
Post by shawn
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:10:15 -0400, Robin Miller
Post by Robin Miller
I just thought of her tonight. I liked her so much in BtVS, and not just
because she was Willow's girlfriend. I've rarely seen her since then.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072435/
Yeah, she's essentially off my radar with the projects she's been in.
I will say she looks much the same (just older). Here is a video from
http://youtu.be/SywX9Sxu2_s
Cool, Shawn, thanks! I have saved this to watch once evening.
James Marsters is another actor I wished I'd see more of. He has lots of
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0551346/
But I didn't watch The Order or Runaways or Witches of East End or
Smallville, and I have no idea what Vidiots was. So I really haven't
seen him in anything in years.
And I just watched him a day or so ago in THE ORDER. Which made it a
bit odd to have him also show up in that video since it has been some
years since I had seen him last.
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