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Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-16 19:42:15 UTC
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I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.

Some interesting points about 2016:

The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.

Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.

The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.

It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.

Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.

He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.

He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.

I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
suzeeq
2020-10-16 21:06:00 UTC
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I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
FPP
2020-10-16 22:39:40 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
If Trump loses Florida (and Florida may well know on election night),
it's over for Trump.
If he loses Texas, it's over. If he loses Ohio, it's probably over.

You don't have to know all the vote totals to know Trump has NO path to
victory if he loses certain states.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
shawn
2020-10-16 22:52:55 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
FPP
2020-10-16 23:15:22 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
Florida, too. And if Trump loses Florida, it's mathematically nearly
impossible for him to win.
"No Republican has won the presidency without Florida since Calvin
Coolidge in 1924."
Post by shawn
Currently, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania — two critical swing states — do not begin pre-processing ballots until Election Day, meaning they may take longer to have results.
Michigan, another important state, begins pre-processing just 10 hours before Election Day. Florida, by contrast, allows ballots to begin to be pre-processed 40 days before Election Day.
Two battleground states that give election officials a lot of time to process ballots before Election Day are Florida and Arizona, which means they are likely to have a lot of results on election night.
If Joseph R. Biden Jr. wins either state, it’s a good sign that he might win the presidency. Donald J. Trump won both in 2016 and all but certainly needs to hold them again. Neither state allows ballots received after Election Day to count, which theoretically would limit lengthy counting delays.
Michigan election officials have said that they anticipate having the bulk of their results tabulated by the Friday after Election Day. Wisconsin election officials are confident they will have most of their counting done by the day after Election Day, in part because of the state’s curing law, which allows voters a chance to fix some errors in advance.
We won't need all the results to know who LOST the election on election
night.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
suzeeq
2020-10-17 01:14:59 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
They took us through Spokane county's process on the local news. Ballot
envelopes are opened and signatures verified, then set aside. I think
they were not to be actually tabulated until the close of polls on
election day. So was GA actually tabulating the votes, or merely
verifying them? Because I'm not sure if any states allow counting the
votes until election day.
EGK
2020-10-17 01:18:35 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
They took us through Spokane county's process on the local news. Ballot
envelopes are opened and signatures verified, then set aside. I think
they were not to be actually tabulated until the close of polls on
election day. So was GA actually tabulating the votes, or merely
verifying them? Because I'm not sure if any states allow counting the
votes until election day.
The timing of processing and counting varies by state:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx
suzeeq
2020-10-17 01:36:52 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
They took us through Spokane county's process on the local news. Ballot
envelopes are opened and signatures verified, then set aside. I think
they were not to be actually tabulated until the close of polls on
election day. So was GA actually tabulating the votes, or merely
verifying them? Because I'm not sure if any states allow counting the
votes until election day.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx
Thanks for that.
Arthur Lipscomb
2020-10-17 02:05:57 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by shawn
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
They took us through Spokane county's process on the local news. Ballot
envelopes are opened and signatures verified, then set aside. I think
they were not to be actually tabulated until the close of polls on
election day. So was GA actually tabulating the votes, or merely
verifying them? Because I'm not sure if any states allow counting the
votes until election day.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx
I mentioned this website once before: https://www.electoral-vote.com/
Every day they do a break down of the polling and current events in the
election and they address these types of issues. I know they covered
the state break down on when votes are tabulated but I don't recall
when. Just yesterday they did a similar analysis on the 2016 polls:
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Oct15.html#item-10


I was on an election zoom calls a few weeks ago and they were talking
about mail in balloting in California, and that they match the ballot
signature to the driver's license signature, so check your license and
make sure to sign the ballot the same way. I just got a new driver's,
license and took a look at my new signature, and to call it chicken
scratch would be an insult to chickens. I couldn't replicate that
scribble again if I tried. Then a few days ago after receiving and
signing my ballot I called my county elections office to ask if I could
see what signature they had on file and maybe update it. They actually
pulled my signatures while I was on the phone and told me they had
several on file and would compare my ballot signature to all of them
since they know people's signatures change over time. They then
described my signatures to me, and when they got to the last one they
did comment it was just a scribble.

A few days after dropping my ballot off in county drop box I received a
text message from the county elections office letting me know my ballot
was received and will be counted. I have never had to wait to vote in
my life. Never had the slightest problem. My blood boils when I see
what's going on in other states with the long lines and other nonsense.
suzeeq
2020-10-17 04:55:38 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
They took us through Spokane county's process on the local news. Ballot
envelopes are opened and signatures verified, then set aside. I think
they were not to be actually tabulated until the close of polls on
election day. So was GA actually tabulating the votes, or merely
verifying them? Because I'm not sure if any states allow counting the
votes until election day.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin.aspx
I mentioned this website once before: https://www.electoral-vote.com/
Every day they do a break down of the polling and current events in the
election and they address these types of issues. I know they covered
the state break down on when votes are tabulated but I don't recall
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Oct15.html#item-10
Interesting predictions on red states going more purple in the next decade.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
I was on an election zoom calls a few weeks ago and they were talking
about mail in balloting in California, and that they match the ballot
signature to the driver's license signature, so check your license and
make sure to sign the ballot the same way. I just got a new driver's,
license and took a look at my new signature, and to call it chicken
scratch would be an insult to chickens. I couldn't replicate that
scribble again if I tried. Then a few days ago after receiving and
signing my ballot I called my county elections office to ask if I could
see what signature they had on file and maybe update it. They actually
pulled my signatures while I was on the phone and told me they had
several on file and would compare my ballot signature to all of them
since they know people's signatures change over time. They then
described my signatures to me, and when they got to the last one they
did comment it was just a scribble.
Yeah, I spent a few minutes practicing my signature as it appears on my
DL. I gave up and just went for it. It's different everytime I sign
something.
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
A few days after dropping my ballot off in county drop box I received a
text message from the county elections office letting me know my ballot
was received and will be counted. I have never had to wait to vote in
my life. Never had the slightest problem. My blood boils when I see
what's going on in other states with the long lines and other nonsense.
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-17 05:17:55 UTC
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. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.

There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
suzeeq
2020-10-17 05:40:33 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-17 21:13:13 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
suzeeq
2020-10-17 22:00:52 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Dimensional Traveler
2020-10-17 22:32:17 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
suzeeq
2020-10-18 00:36:58 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
EGK
2020-10-18 02:20:57 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh. That can't be. After all, he did blame Trump.
suzeeq
2020-10-18 04:17:50 UTC
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh. That can't be. After all, he did blame Trump.
It's a little different scenario. This is a republican governor who's
shutting down the means to vote in a city of several million. Most of
whom are poor and would vote Democrat.
Dimensional Traveler
2020-10-18 05:11:43 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by EGK
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it.  :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh.  That can't be.  After all, he did blame Trump.
It's a little different scenario. This is a republican governor who's
shutting down the means to vote in a city of several million. Most of
whom are poor and would vote Democrat.
Its also another action is a _decades long_ effort by the Republican
Party to restrict voting and voting rights.
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
EGK
2020-10-18 15:05:12 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by EGK
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh. That can't be. After all, he did blame Trump.
It's a little different scenario. This is a republican governor who's
shutting down the means to vote in a city of several million. Most of
whom are poor and would vote Democrat.
True. Totally different scenario. One Republican governor tried shutting
down one single avenue of voting in the name of securing the vote and a
judge ruled against him.
Meanwhile a Democrat governor was giving people death sentences then blaming
it on Trump. Totally different. :)
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-18 16:41:27 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by EGK
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that
they have early voting in place, though in larger cities that's
still going to be long waits as it's usually at the elections
office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus
one location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up
25 location in the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in
the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of
sites were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I
don't really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for
an hour or so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There
wouldn't be any long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going
to have only one early voting location for several million
people. Sometimes I'm glad I live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh. That can't be. After all, he did blame Trump.
It's a little different scenario. This is a republican governor who's
shutting down the means to vote in a city of several million. Most of
whom are poor and would vote Democrat.
True. Totally different scenario. One Republican governor tried shutting
down one single avenue of voting in the name of securing the vote and a
judge ruled against him.
The governor wasn't the local election administrator. He had no
responsibility and no legal authority.
Post by EGK
Meanwhile a Democrat governor was giving people death sentences then blaming
it on Trump. Totally different. :)
Is this a Cuomo crack? He's not a doctor and cannot create medical
procedures. He had no authority to force any nursing home to accept a sick
patient who would infect resident patients. The nursing home administrators
should have refused teh admissions because it was a violation of their
duty of care to their existing patients.

FPP
2020-10-18 11:01:05 UTC
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Post by EGK
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
. . .
It's great that you can vote absentee for any reason and that they have
early voting in place, though in larger cities that's still going to be
long waits as it's usually at the elections office.
We had one location per county for the first week or so, plus one
location in the city. A week or so later, they opened up 25 location in
the suburbs in Cook County and 50 locations in the city.
There were very long lines the first day when just a handful of sites
were opened. I don't blame anyone for not predicting that. I don't
really understand why anyone was willing to wait in line for an hour or
so just to vote on the first day of early voting. There wouldn't be any
long line if they'd waited a week or two.
I'm thinking of TX where Harris county/Houston is going to have only one
early voting location for several million people. Sometimes I'm glad I
live in a smaller town.
The governor closing all early voting locations except one per county
was outrageous.
Well, he's a republican....
Beat me to it. :)
;)
Does that mean idiot governors who order nursing homes to accept Covid
patients where thousands end up dead is because he's a Democrat?
Nahhh. That can't be. After all, he did blame Trump.
Well, Trump knew how bad this virus was going to be well before any
governors did.
And he was a real big fucking help in letting everyone know about it,
wasn't he?

The only people Trump alerted were his rich donors, so they could haul
in bushels of cash before anybody else was the wiser.

Then he sat on his fat ass for the next 9 months, as the virus raged.

"Make America Grate Again!"
"So much winning!"
"It'll be gone by Easter!"
"We'll be rocking by Fourth of July!"
"We're 'rounding the corner'!"

For fuck's sake, wake up!
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-17 04:46:53 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
How many states wait till election day to start counting absentee
votes and how many start earlier? I didn't know it but with Georgia
they start counting absentee votes as soon as they arrive so on
election day most of the mail in votes will already be tallied.
It is absolutely outrageous to count absentee ballots before the poll
close, particularly in Florida.
super70s
2020-10-17 05:54:14 UTC
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Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day,
Which is going to be a total train wreck in every state considering the
level of enthusiasm, good luck getting all those votes in Trump voters
(I would say "Republican voters" but there are apparently mass
defections).
FPP
2020-10-17 06:53:48 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day,
Which is going to be a total train wreck in every state considering the
level of enthusiasm, good luck getting all those votes in Trump voters
(I would say "Republican voters" but there are apparently mass
defections).
By the time he's done with his super spreader rallies, there might not
be as many as you think...
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
RichA
2020-10-17 22:12:40 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
Old news. I read and posted about it at least two weeks ago.
suzeeq
2020-10-18 00:36:28 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I still have a few political contacts. One friend organized a Zoom
Webinar with a Democratic pollster, the one who works on the Wall Street
Journal/NBC poll. This poll is highly regarded among media polls as they
also hired a top Republican pollster.
The national polls were on track with regard to the popular vote,
predicting within a point or two what each candidate received.
Statewide polls were rather different. No one was doing last-minute
polling and predictions that Hillary was going to win several of the
swing states were based on polls that were several weeks old. This year
some of the state-wide polls may be ocnducted at the last minute.
The difference in 2016 was among late deciders. They overwhelmingly
favored Trump. Trump got any number of people to vote who did not vote
regularly or, in some cases, were middle aged and had never before
registered to vote.
It suggest but doesn't prove that a Republican strategy in specific
states to make it more difficult to register to vote and to purge voting
rolls of people who haven't voted recently but haven't moved away can
actually hurt Republican candidates who are actually capable of making
people enthusiastic about voting like Trump.
Democrats are employing an early-voting strategy. Of mail-in voters and
those who intend to vote early but haven't yet done so, Biden is leading
something like 2-1. Trump is leading among voters who say they'll vote
on election day. That's suggesting a strategy that Trump may declare
victory that night because those votes will be counted sooner than the
substantial number of mail-in votes, then just fight mail-in vote
counting in court.
He wasn't predicting a result. He was predicting lawyers.
He says it's Biden's election to win but Trump can still win those swing
states and get re-elected.
I'll post some links later to let you guys see these polls and
discussion.
Yeah, after Biden's town hall meeting last night, they had a graph that
showed about 2/3 of voters for Trump will vote on election day, while
2/3 or more of Biden supporters will mail in or drop off absentee
ballots or vote early. So yeah Trump will declare himself the winner
even though many votes won't be counted yet. So it'll be another
Electoral College final decision.
Old news. I read and posted about it at least two weeks ago.
This was a new survey. So I guess the voters haven't changed their minds.
RichA
2020-10-17 22:11:55 UTC
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Rule is simple; people in hard times look at who is in-charge and blame them. In this case, with such an out of the blue
problem-causer like Covid, it's just bad luck for Trump that he was here when it happened. Things like inflation, housing, jobs,
etc., can at least be blamed on some politician, though a previous government's mistakes can linger to harm a current government. Most
people are far too bored by it and too stupid to understand why things are the way they are so they reflexively blame the person in-charge at that
moment. For example, Carter was blamed for inflation, "stagflation" but given what had happened prior to him coming in (Vietnam, oil crisis of 1973, etc)
he likely couldn't have fixed it in only four years, so he was tossed out, though arguably, he could have done "something" about it.
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