Discussion:
Hurricane Florence.
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trotsky
2018-09-14 09:05:12 UTC
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Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
FPP
2018-09-14 12:13:00 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.

"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.

“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.

Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#

That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
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their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
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what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
shawn
2018-09-14 18:35:20 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
h***@bbs.cpcn.com
2018-09-14 19:51:20 UTC
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Post by shawn
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
At this point, it appears North and South Carolina will get
hammered with severe flooding.

But flooding may be a problem, or even a big problem, over a
very large area of the eastern U.S.

There have been several hurricanes that did terrible flooding
long after they 'broke up'. Too much water in too short a
time is devastating.
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:41:11 UTC
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Post by h***@bbs.cpcn.com
Post by shawn
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
At this point, it appears North and South Carolina will get
hammered with severe flooding.
But flooding may be a problem, or even a big problem, over a
very large area of the eastern U.S.
There have been several hurricanes that did terrible flooding
long after they 'broke up'. Too much water in too short a
time is devastating.
Yes, so are falling trees. How many more of these would happen if the
wind speed was increased by fifty percent?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/14/us/florence-mother-child-killed-wilmington-firefighters/index.html
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:39:11 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
shawn
2018-09-15 12:25:42 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.

From the atmos.uiuc.edu site
"Apart from the storm surge, heavy rainfall causes both flash and long
term flooding. Tropical storms and hurricanes are known to dump as
much as a meter (about 3 feet) of rain in just a couple of days,
creating big problems for residents who believe they are safe just
because they do not live on or near the coast. In fact flooding kills
more people than the strong winds do. "


The difference between the Cat 1/2 is just a matter of 13 miles per
hour. It's enough to do more damage to weak structures but nothing
like the 50 MPH difference between Cat 1 and Cat 4 storms. No one
would deny a Cat 4 storm would be so much worse than a Cat 1 storm
which is why that wasn't being discussed in my post.
trotsky
2018-09-15 13:10:36 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
Post by shawn
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, as I told FPP the ratings include the estimation of the flooding
damage, which none of us knew but of course I found out. Thus the rest
of your arguments are moot.
shawn
2018-09-15 13:25:04 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
Post by shawn
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, as I told FPP the ratings include the estimation of the flooding
damage, which none of us knew but of course I found out. Thus the rest
of your arguments are moot.
Except for the fact that they aren't unless you intend to continue to
ignore my subject and interject your own different subject. To point
out the same thing I was saying from your own link:

Category One
• Wind speed: 74-95 mph (119-153 km/h)
• Storm surge: 4-5 feet above normal
• Damage: Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and
trees along with some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage
• Examples: Allison, 1995; Danny, 1997

Category Two
• Wind speed: 96-110 mph (154-177 km/h)
• Storm surge: 6-8 feet above normal
• Damage: Roofing, door and window damage to buildings; Considerable
damage to shrubbery and trees, mobile homes, poorly constructed signs,
and piers

There is more damage from a cat 2 storm than a cat 1 but it can pale
besides the damage done by a Cat 1 storm that hangs around for a week
versus a day. As you conviently left out flooding kills more people
than the strong winds. Because people will tend to flee from the coast
line but someone 50 miles inland tends to feel safe from the worst of
the storm and so can get caught by floods. Especially when a severe
storm like a Cat 1 hangs around for days continuing to drop rain and
bringing in that storm surge. Winds are the immediate threat but storm
surge and flooding are the long term threat.
trotsky
2018-09-16 11:32:02 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
Post by shawn
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, as I told FPP the ratings include the estimation of the flooding
damage, which none of us knew but of course I found out. Thus the rest
of your arguments are moot.
Except for the fact that they aren't unless you intend to continue to
ignore my subject and interject your own different subject. To point
Category One
• Wind speed: 74-95 mph (119-153 km/h)
• Storm surge: 4-5 feet above normal
• Damage: Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and
trees along with some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage
• Examples: Allison, 1995; Danny, 1997
Category Two
• Wind speed: 96-110 mph (154-177 km/h)
• Storm surge: 6-8 feet above normal
• Damage: Roofing, door and window damage to buildings; Considerable
damage to shrubbery and trees, mobile homes, poorly constructed signs,
and piers
There is more damage from a cat 2 storm than a cat 1 but it can pale
besides the damage done by a Cat 1 storm that hangs around for a week
versus a day.
Oh my bad, the vague bleatings of some guy named shawn certainly trumps
the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. Look, just because you see your
words appear on a computer screen that doesn't automatically give them
relevance. If you have some proof of what you're saying that would be
different, but you don't.
shawn
2018-09-16 11:54:27 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
Post by shawn
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, as I told FPP the ratings include the estimation of the flooding
damage, which none of us knew but of course I found out. Thus the rest
of your arguments are moot.
Except for the fact that they aren't unless you intend to continue to
ignore my subject and interject your own different subject. To point
Category One
• Wind speed: 74-95 mph (119-153 km/h)
• Storm surge: 4-5 feet above normal
• Damage: Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and
trees along with some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage
• Examples: Allison, 1995; Danny, 1997
Category Two
• Wind speed: 96-110 mph (154-177 km/h)
• Storm surge: 6-8 feet above normal
• Damage: Roofing, door and window damage to buildings; Considerable
damage to shrubbery and trees, mobile homes, poorly constructed signs,
and piers
There is more damage from a cat 2 storm than a cat 1 but it can pale
besides the damage done by a Cat 1 storm that hangs around for a week
versus a day.
Oh my bad, the vague bleatings of some guy named shawn certainly trumps
the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. Look, just because you see your
words appear on a computer screen that doesn't automatically give them
relevance. If you have some proof of what you're saying that would be
different, but you don't.
It's sad that you've lost the ability to read the things that you
post, trotsky. Especially for someone intelligent enough to realize
that what I posted came directly from your own link. So basically
you'll ignore what I wrote so that you can continue to stand by your
position ignoring data that comes from your own links as well as links
that I've posted from other actual experts on storms.
trotsky
2018-09-16 12:38:36 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by trotsky
Post by shawn
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
"I would not read too much into the categories," said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
"a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
All too true. A category 2 storm that moves quickly will do less
damage than a category 1 storm that hangs around for a week continuing
to drop rain.
A Cat. 4 storm is more likely to knock down entire buildings and uproot
trees than a Cat. 1. If you're going to talk about the subject
realistically you have to acknowledge what types of damage are sustained
from what, and the wind speed speaks directly to that. This is the
worst thing about trying to have these discussions, having to teach the
other parties how to think properly.
I see that you
1) changed the topic from Cat 2 vs Cat 1 to Cat 4 vs Cat 1 and
2) decided to completely ignore the extensive damage done by the
flooding caused by a storm that hangs around for days vs one that
passes by in just a day. As discussed in the article by an actual
expert the damage done by water is extensive and with a storm that
hangs around for days that means the storm surge also hangs around as
well as the continued rain increasing flooding even far inland.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
Post by shawn
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, as I told FPP the ratings include the estimation of the flooding
damage, which none of us knew but of course I found out. Thus the rest
of your arguments are moot.
Except for the fact that they aren't unless you intend to continue to
ignore my subject and interject your own different subject. To point
Category One
• Wind speed: 74-95 mph (119-153 km/h)
• Storm surge: 4-5 feet above normal
• Damage: Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and
trees along with some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage
• Examples: Allison, 1995; Danny, 1997
Category Two
• Wind speed: 96-110 mph (154-177 km/h)
• Storm surge: 6-8 feet above normal
• Damage: Roofing, door and window damage to buildings; Considerable
damage to shrubbery and trees, mobile homes, poorly constructed signs,
and piers
There is more damage from a cat 2 storm than a cat 1 but it can pale
besides the damage done by a Cat 1 storm that hangs around for a week
versus a day.
Oh my bad, the vague bleatings of some guy named shawn certainly trumps
the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale. Look, just because you see your
words appear on a computer screen that doesn't automatically give them
relevance. If you have some proof of what you're saying that would be
different, but you don't.
It's sad that you've lost the ability to read the things that you
post, trotsky. Especially for someone intelligent enough to realize
that what I posted came directly from your own link. So basically
you'll ignore what I wrote so that you can continue to stand by your
position ignoring data that comes from your own links as well as links
that I've posted from other actual experts on storms.
I'll research your previous posts on this and see if that's true.
Rhino
2018-09-14 20:36:52 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
--
Rhino
FPP
2018-09-14 23:18:40 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.

3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!

He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
Ubiquitous
2018-09-14 23:41:19 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
--
Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'd
have to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.
FPP
2018-09-15 01:01:26 UTC
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Post by Ubiquitous
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
I hear a mother and child were killed today.

You and Rhino care to start dancing on their graves right now... or
would you rather wait until NoShit and IrishAsshole can join in?

What a bunch of ghouls!
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
Rhino
2018-09-15 02:17:00 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by Ubiquitous
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
I hear a mother and child were killed today.
You and Rhino care to start dancing on their graves right now... or
would you rather wait until NoShit and IrishAsshole can join in?
Actually, I think it's tragic that people die in storms. It's YOU that
tries to make political hay out of those deaths.
Post by FPP
What a bunch of ghouls!
The ghouls are the people that politicize tragedy to try to score points
on the backs of the dead.
--
Rhino
moviePig
2018-09-15 03:28:59 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Ubiquitous
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat
like
this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your
opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
I hear a mother and child were killed today.
You and Rhino care to start dancing on their graves right now... or
would you rather wait until NoShit and IrishAsshole can join in?
Actually, I think it's tragic that people die in storms. It's YOU that
tries to make political hay out of those deaths.
Post by FPP
What a bunch of ghouls!
The ghouls are the people that politicize tragedy to try to score points
on the backs of the dead.
When there's a national misfortune, we typically assume that competent
Governmental institutions will step in to provide useful and humane
relief as needed. And, for a few decades now, we've assumed that the
top "decider" in such operations brought a measure of practical
intelligence to oversee such responses. Today, however, not even his
supporters can possibly imagine that our present catastrophe-in-chief is
up to that standard -- or to any other. I hope for the best for the
affected areas, but they *have* to feel they're working without a net...
--
- - - - - - - -
YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
FPP
2018-09-15 03:54:40 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Ubiquitous
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat
like
this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your
opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
I hear a mother and child were killed today.
You and Rhino care to start dancing on their graves right now... or
would you rather wait until NoShit and IrishAsshole can join in?
Actually, I think it's tragic that people die in storms. It's YOU that
tries to make political hay out of those deaths.
Post by FPP
What a bunch of ghouls!
The ghouls are the people that politicize tragedy to try to score points
on the backs of the dead.
Nope. That was all you and Trump.
Post by Rhino
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
Trump was at the helm during Maria. 3000 people died, and he refuses to
even believe it happened. Then he blamed the Democrats. The DEMOCRATS?

What the fuck, Rhino. He couldn't get the power back on for a YEAR.
Then they couldn't get water to the people, and they had to drink dirty,
tainted water.

That's why so many people died. This wasn't political until Trump MADE
it political. He was blamed for the response because HE WAS IN CHARGE
of the response. And it was shitty!

So what does he do to fix it? He takes $10,000,000 out of FEMA at the
start of the current hurricane season. So he can put BABIES IN CAGES,
for fuck's sake!

Don't go blaming me, or the Democrats for the idiotic and dangerous
things this president does. And you're one of his enablers.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:00:52 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Ubiquitous
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat
like
this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your
opportunity to
blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
#Triggered
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
... and thank you for metaphorically taking a thick black Sharpie
and underlining his point several times.
I hear a mother and child were killed today.
You and Rhino care to start dancing on their graves right now... or
would you rather wait until NoShit and IrishAsshole can join in?
Actually, I think it's tragic that people die in storms. It's YOU that
tries to make political hay out of those deaths.
Post by FPP
What a bunch of ghouls!
The ghouls are the people that politicize tragedy to try to score
points on the backs of the dead.
Nope.  That was all you and Trump.
Post by Rhino
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity to
 blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
Trump was at the helm during Maria.  3000 people died, and he refuses to
even believe it happened.  Then he blamed the Democrats.  The DEMOCRATS?
What the fuck, Rhino.  He couldn't get the power back on for a YEAR.
Then they couldn't get water to the people, and they had to drink dirty,
tainted water.
That's why so many people died.  This wasn't political until Trump MADE
it political.  He was blamed for the response because HE WAS IN CHARGE
of the response.  And it was shitty!
So what does he do to fix it?  He takes $10,000,000 out of FEMA at the
start of the current hurricane season.  So he can put BABIES IN CAGES,
for fuck's sake!
Don't go blaming me, or the Democrats for the idiotic and dangerous
things this president does.  And you're one of his enablers.
Excellent recap of the facts. Obviously the Trump propaganda merchants
won't give a fuck.
Rhino
2018-09-15 02:14:55 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
See? Proof positive! You're blaming the deaths from Maria on Trump.

I rest my case....
Post by FPP
He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
I don't need an excuse to point out your nonsense.
--
Rhino
FPP
2018-09-15 04:02:03 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised
and under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be
used to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
See? Proof positive! You're blaming the deaths from Maria on Trump.
I rest my case....
Post by FPP
He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
I don't need an excuse to point out your nonsense.
Yup. His response was pitiful, and lacking.
You may not think you need an excuse, but you sure as shit make a lot of
them!
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:04:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised
and under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be
used to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump
so it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact
that it wasn't a "big win"!
See? Proof positive! You're blaming the deaths from Maria on Trump.
I rest my case....
Post by FPP
He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
I don't need an excuse to point out your nonsense.
Yup.  His response was pitiful, and lacking.
You may not think you need an excuse, but you sure as shit make a lot of
them!
Do you mean to say that you don't think the throwing of the paper towels
was one of the best photo ops ever?
FPP
2018-09-15 11:53:17 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised
and under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but
they weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that
property damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your
opportunity to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be
used to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump
so it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact
that it wasn't a "big win"!
See? Proof positive! You're blaming the deaths from Maria on Trump.
I rest my case....
Post by FPP
He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
I don't need an excuse to point out your nonsense.
Yup.  His response was pitiful, and lacking.
You may not think you need an excuse, but you sure as shit make a lot
of them!
Do you mean to say that you don't think the throwing of the paper towels
was one of the best photo ops ever?
Reports are that every time Trump sees the footage of him throwing paper
towels, he gets pissed.

Think about that... even a delusional narcissist like Trump recognized
that he looked like a fool.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
FPP
2018-09-15 04:08:59 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised
and under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be
used to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Post by FPP
3,000 people already died in Maria, and Trump can't face the fact that
it wasn't a "big win"!
See? Proof positive! You're blaming the deaths from Maria on Trump.
I rest my case....
Post by FPP
He's an amoral asshole... so what's YOUR excuse?
I don't need an excuse to point out your nonsense.
My nonsense? What do you think 3000 people died of? Natural causes?
Moron.

"You wouldn’t know it by listening to them talk at the Federal Emergency
Management Agency (Fema) headquarters this week. Donald Trump told Brock
Long, Fema’s administrator, that he had done an awesome job presiding
over a post-hurricane recovery that was so incompetent that several
thousand Americans died from a lack of medicine, food, water and power."

"Seriously? There’s nobody in the disaster response business, and nobody
in Puerto Rico, who thinks there was maximum preparation for, or rapid
response after, Hurricane Maria."

And what is our Great Congress doing to find out what happened?
Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.
And why is that? Because they're Republicans that don't EVER
investigate anything another Republican does.

"Congress certainly isn’t asking those questions. Republicans on the
House oversight committee refuse to subpoena Fema to understand how so
many huge contracts failed. Long has only testified once before Congress
about the response to Maria. It’s hard to fathom how Republicans who
were so fascinated by Benghazi can barely muster any interest about
Puerto Rico."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/08/trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-deaths-opinion

That's the sum total of the problem with Maria. And a few fucking rolls
of Bounty paper towels ain't gonna fix it!
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
BTR1701
2018-09-15 04:35:12 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).

So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted-- does that mean Trump gets credit for saving the Carolinas? If
he gets the blame for it when it's bad, it's only logical for him to get
credit for any improvement in the situation.
suzeeq
2018-09-15 05:03:14 UTC
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BTR1701
2018-09-15 05:09:25 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind
speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted-- does that mean Trump gets credit for saving the Carolinas? If
he gets the blame for it when it's bad, it's only logical for him to get
credit for any improvement in the situation.
I don't know I'd call 20 some inches of rain, and over 12 feet of storm
surge an improvement.
I would, considering the prediction was for all that *plus* 160 MPH winds.
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:25:21 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by BTR1701
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind
speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted-- does that mean Trump gets credit for saving the Carolinas? If
he gets the blame for it when it's bad, it's only logical for him to get
credit for any improvement in the situation.
I don't know I'd call 20 some inches of rain, and over 12 feet of storm
surge an improvement.
I would, considering the prediction was for all that *plus* 160 MPH winds.
Cite?
EGK
2018-09-15 13:19:45 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind
speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,â€? said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point. Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted-- does that mean Trump gets credit for saving the Carolinas? If
he gets the blame for it when it's bad, it's only logical for him to get
credit for any improvement in the situation.
I don't know I'd call 20 some inches of rain, and over 12 feet of storm
surge an improvement.
Flooding is always going to cause tragedy but it's always possible in
coastal areas.

The media is more complicit in these things than anyone. Did you see the
video of the weatherman standing out in the rain acting like he was about to
be blown away at any second? Then the camera picks up two guys casually
strolling by behind him. That was hilarious. Then the media whines when
people say "fake news"?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7265316/hurricane-florence-weatherman-fake-wind/
FPP
2018-09-15 06:24:41 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
What Dems? Where?
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:28:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
What Dems?  Where?
He's got them up his ass someplace.
FPP
2018-09-15 06:29:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted-- does that mean Trump gets credit for saving the Carolinas? If
he gets the blame for it when it's bad, it's only logical for him to get
credit for any improvement in the situation.
Whew! A dud!
I'm sure that's really comforting to the father that just lost his wife
and infant child. And the families of the other 3 victims...

And you don't get credit for NOT doing anything.
You DO, however get credit (or blame) when you actually DO something.

That's how it's supposed works... not like your idiotic zero sum model.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:11:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Rhino
Post by FPP
Post by Rhino
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
You must be dreading the prospect that no one dies and that property
damage is moderate. That would completely undermine your opportunity
to blame Trump for mishandling the relief effort.
I know you don't really give a shit, but people dying shouldn't be used
to make a cheap political point.  Fuck you, ghoul.
Actually, that's exactly the point *I* was trying to make to YOU. You
fall all over yourself several times a day every day to piss on Trump so
it's only reasonable to assume that you'd blame the results of a
hurricane on him.
Earlier in the week, the Dems were saying Trump was complicit in this
hurricane (because he pulled the US out of the Paris accords-- as if,
absurdly, this hurricane wouldn't have formed if he hadn't done that).
Oh, that's weird, I thought it was because not doing jack shit about
climate change and then crowing about a hurricane brought on by climate
change is stupid and hypocritical. MAGA!
Post by BTR1701
So now that the hurricane turned out to be mostly a dud-- a Cat 1
downgraded quickly to a tropical storm instead of the Cat 4/5 that was
predicted--
Before it made landfall it was a Cat. 4 so that is another lie. And
sustained 90 mph winds are something I think you should experience so
you can take a piece of flying debris in your fucking face and report
back to us about it.

FAIL.
RichA
2018-09-14 23:31:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
suzeeq
2018-09-15 01:08:38 UTC
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Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-15 01:12:52 UTC
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Post by RichA
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.

No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
Rhino
2018-09-15 02:20:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by RichA
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
--
Rhino
suzeeq
2018-09-15 02:33:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by RichA
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
It hasn't moved *because* of its history...
anim8rfsk
2018-09-15 02:48:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
Because, I swear, it's racist.

Anybody who brought that up after Katrina got hit right in the face with the
racist cream pie.
--
Join your old RAT friends at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1688985234647266/
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:44:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by anim8rfsk
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
Because, I swear, it's racist.
Anybody who brought that up after Katrina got hit right in the face with the
racist cream pie.
Can we leave your sex life out of this?
FPP
2018-09-15 04:00:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding.  No longer "hurricane."  If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
What do you think will happen to the people that live there? You think
they're just going to give up their homes, their jobs, their businesses?

And what then? Start over from scratch with nothing?

You don't abandon a city like NOLA... not when you can FIX it. You
don't see Amsterdam being abandoned, or flooded. The US could make NOLA
safe from flooding and hurricanes, for the most part. The government
just lacks the will to do it.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
Dimensional Traveler
2018-09-15 04:19:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding.  No longer "hurricane."  If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
On the subject of hurricanes, I've never quite understood why New
Orleans isn't abandoned and a new city built on higher land. It seems
like a really foolish place to put a city. Given the number of disasters
it has seen in its history, I don't know why the city didn't get moved
many many years ago....
Among many other reasons is because New Orleans is a port. That was its
reason for existing in the first place. Ports are not known for their
mobility.

There is also the "Where would you move it TO?" question. Not to
mention the "Who's going to pay for it?" question.
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
BTR1701
2018-09-15 04:35:12 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
FPP
2018-09-15 06:31:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:30:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts...
The last time those happened were when a Ramses condom was used.
BTR1701
2018-09-15 14:55:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.

You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happen to me.
FPP
2018-09-15 20:56:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happen to me.
Sure, sure.

"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."

That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year. I'll take 6 hurricanes in 40 years.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
BTR1701
2018-09-15 21:58:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.

The last time there was a wildfire in the South Bay was before Columbus
landed in the New World.
suzeeq
2018-09-15 23:22:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.
The last time there was a wildfire in the South Bay was before Columbus
landed in the New World.
People don't understand how large California is... Redding is hundreds
of mile north of your location. And the winds are mostly from the
south/southwest. I'm in a state NE of CA and we might have got some of
its smoke, though there was plenty from OR, central WA and southern
British Columbia.
BTR1701
2018-09-16 02:44:28 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.
The last time there was a wildfire in the South Bay was before Columbus
landed in the New World.
People don't understand how large California is... Redding is hundreds
of mile north of your location. And the winds are mostly from the
south/southwest. I'm in a state NE of CA and we might have got some of
its smoke, though there was plenty from OR, central WA and southern
British Columbia.
Yep. I can see the smoke from those fires way off in the distance but
neither I nor the vast majority of the 14 million people in L.A. County are
anywhere near them or in even the remotest danger from them.
FPP
2018-09-16 10:48:13 UTC
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It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.
The last time there was a wildfire in the South Bay was before Columbus
landed in the New World.
People don't understand how large California is... Redding is hundreds
of mile north of your location. And the winds are mostly from the
south/southwest. I'm in a state NE of CA and we might have got some of
its smoke, though there was plenty from OR, central WA and southern
British Columbia.
Yep. I can see the smoke from those fires way off in the distance but
neither I nor the vast majority of the 14 million people in L.A. County are
anywhere near them or in even the remotest danger from them.
Yes, and Puerto Rico was an unsung success, right?
Any more dogshit you want to sell?
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-16 11:48:44 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.
It does if you breathe air you dumb fuck. Are you syphilitic like
Trump? You seem to be getting worse.
FPP
2018-09-16 11:57:42 UTC
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Post by FPP
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts...  I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any
significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happened to me.
Sure, sure.
"REDDING, Calif. – The toll of devastation from one of the most brutal
fires in California history rose Wednesday to more than 1,000 homes
destroyed and almost 200 damaged as a sprawling wildfire ignited by a
spark from a towed vehicle grew to 180 square miles."
That was ONE wildfire, in ONE year.
None of which affects anyone who isn't living in the mountains and forests.
It does if you breathe air you dumb fuck.  Are you syphilitic like
Trump?  You seem to be getting worse.
I'm sure not being able to travel safely affects residents adversely.

And it's not just people who live in the area that are affected. Unless
you think people only work or travel to places near where they live.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-16 11:41:35 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happen
What?
FPP
2018-09-16 11:51:01 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts...  I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happen
What?
A dam broke last night. Looks like another shitty day for someone...
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-16 15:58:32 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.

How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.

I've been through tornados, but I'm positive that those are caused by
the excess of political hot air my state uniquely suffers from.
Post by BTR1701
You stick with your hurricanes and while you're nailing plywood over your
windows (yet again), I'll stick with the things that have never actually
happen to me.
suzeeq
2018-09-16 16:27:31 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
Adam H. Kerman
2018-09-16 17:27:13 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.

Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
suzeeq
2018-09-16 17:44:36 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.
Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
Ubiquitous
2018-09-17 18:30:58 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.
Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
That's why the ones in Mexico City are so devastating.
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.
shawn
2018-09-17 19:50:42 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.
Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
That's why the ones in Mexico City are so devastating.
I wonder if they run into any liquifaction issues if they are using
land fill material instead of building on solid bedrock.
A Friend
2018-09-17 21:10:21 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by suzeeq
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a
tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two
days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.
Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
That's why the ones in Mexico City are so devastating.
I wonder if they run into any liquifaction issues if they are using
land fill material instead of building on solid bedrock.
I had a friend whose parents' house went down in the 1989 earthquake in
San Francisco because the neighborhood had been built on landfill,
which turned into a melted milkshake during the quake. (I think this
was in the Mission district. Does that make sense?)
shawn
2018-09-17 21:52:15 UTC
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Post by suzeeq
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
That's why the ones in Mexico City are so devastating.
I wonder if they run into any liquifaction issues if they are using
land fill material instead of building on solid bedrock.
I had a friend whose parents' house went down in the 1989 earthquake in
San Francisco because the neighborhood had been built on landfill,
which turned into a melted milkshake during the quake. (I think this
was in the Mission district. Does that make sense?)
Yes, it's exactly what I thought might happen with landfill material.
It's not nearly as solid as people might think in all situations.
suzeeq
2018-09-18 01:01:52 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
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Post by FPP
Post by BTR1701
Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a
tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two
days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
You can keep your earthquakes, wildfires and droughts... I'll stick
with our hurricanes, thank you.
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
And I've been through zero wildfires, no earthquakes of any significance,
and a drought that didn't affect my life in any measurable way.
It's easy to avoid a wildfire, by not living in a forest that's subject
to wildfire.
How does one live in California whilst avoiding an earthquake? I don't
get that one.
There's lots of areas that aren't near a fault line. You might feel one,
but there wouldn't be any damage.
My late cousin owned a house in San Francisco for a time. My family
visited when I was a kid. He pointed out that it was anchored to
bedrock, as the hills of San Francisco had numerous places with such
outcroppings. He was reasonably sure that the house was going to survive
the next big one.
Yes, structures may be built to mitigate damage from earthquakes,
but I'm questioning how one can live in L.A. without a significant
earthquakes. Note that the shockwaves travel for many miles beneath
the ground and tremors and aftershocks may be strongest away from the
fault line. I think it's something one must anticipate.
BTR lives in the southern part of LA where they're not prone to happen
as much, and, he may live closer to the mountains which would have a
more solid base. Much of the city of San Francisco is built on fill so
it's a lot less stable and the shockwaves do a lot more damage. It's
like living on a bowl of jello.
That's why the ones in Mexico City are so devastating.
I wonder if they run into any liquifaction issues if they are using
land fill material instead of building on solid bedrock.
I had a friend whose parents' house went down in the 1989 earthquake in
San Francisco because the neighborhood had been built on landfill,
which turned into a melted milkshake during the quake. (I think this
was in the Mission district. Does that make sense?)
The Mission, the Marina, North Beach, and NE San Francisco are all built
on fill.

trotsky
2018-09-15 10:08:02 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't
important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path
If you're determined to live on the coast, why not pick the West Coast
where the last hurricane hit during the reign of Rameses II?
Yeah, that's weird, and when you think about it, how did the Pacific
Ocean get its name?

To paraphrase Paul Simon, that's astute, you and Verman should get
together and call yourselves an institute.
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:43:27 UTC
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Post by RichA
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Winds die down, but the rain continues. Like 20" or more. In two days.
Just heard on the news that, despite the known severity of hurricanes,
more people than ever are choosing to live along the coast in their
path, and they're paving over more ground than ever. Sea level rise
makes drainage more difficult, but so does pavement.
No matter how bad we anticipate natural disasters to be, counts on
humans to make their effects ever so much worse.
Sure, and they say fifty percent of the deaths are due to drowning. So
avoiding a situation where drowning is possible is on people too.
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:41:59 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter. Categories are only about the wind speed.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
It's rainstorm and flooding. No longer "hurricane." If wind isn't important, ask someone in the middle states who went through a tornado.
Fuck! I hate to say it (literally) but Rich is right.
trotsky
2018-09-15 10:36:30 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they weren't
white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"Only?" 130 mph sustained winds are more devastating than 90 mph winds.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be comparable
to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
That sounds scientific.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard Silverman,
a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain, you
have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
I'm not saying there isn't going to be danger from these. I'm just
saying the predictions were more extreme than the reality. And that
Puerto Rico didn't get nearly the coverage this is, although we know how
devastating that was.
FPP
2018-09-15 12:08:46 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"Only?"  130 mph sustained winds are more devastating than 90 mph winds.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
That sounds scientific.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said, and
“a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the rain,
you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
I'm not saying there isn't going to be danger from these.  I'm just
saying the predictions were more extreme than the reality.  And that
Puerto Rico didn't get nearly the coverage this is, although we know how
devastating that was.
Nobody can predict hurricanes with any measure of certainty. They do
things that are completely unexpected all the time. I've seen them make
landfall, and swing around, go out to sea and come back for a second hit.

My point was that the Categories are ONLY a reflection of wind speed,
nothing more. They don't say a thing about the severity of the damages
that can be done.

A fast moving Cat 5 will do real damage... but nothing that compares to
a slow moving Cat 2 storm. It's a different kind of damage and danger.
A fast Cat 5 is pure power. A slow Cat 2 will threaten with flood waters.

I'd rather wait through a quick storm that's over in a few hours. (In
fact, I have several times.) They're over and done with quickly - and
unless you get direct damage, you clean up and move on. I have 2
generators for the aftermath.

A flood, on the other hand, is much more widespread and the resulting
damage will take longer to fix, and can be far more costly. Water
damage and mold is far worse than fixing the damage from a tree falling,
or a roof being damaged.

You almost have to rebuild if the flooding is severe enough.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-15 12:58:19 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised and
under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"Only?"  130 mph sustained winds are more devastating than 90 mph winds.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
That sounds scientific.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
I'm not saying there isn't going to be danger from these.  I'm just
saying the predictions were more extreme than the reality.  And that
Puerto Rico didn't get nearly the coverage this is, although we know
how devastating that was.
Nobody can predict hurricanes with any measure of certainty.  They do
things that are completely unexpected all the time.  I've seen them make
landfall, and swing around, go out to sea and come back for a second hit.
That's besides the point, the point being the media "predicts" these
hurricanes as being life ending events every time. It's called
sensationalism. My post had two components: the sensationalism of the
media coverage, and the lack of media coverage in an actual catastrophic
event in Puerto Rico. They covered the the hurricane, but the aftermath
when they were completely abandoned was left under covered because it
didn't fit the narrative of the particular brand of sensationalism that
is their stock in trade.
My point was that the Categories are ONLY a reflection of wind speed,
nothing more.  They don't say a thing about the severity of the damages
that can be done.
I see your point, but it's absolutely incorrect. This article is from 2007:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/

If you look at the descriptions of the categories you'll see a Cat. 1
does damage to unanchored mobile homes and shubbery, and a Cat. 4 has

Damage: Extensive damage to doors, windows and lower floors of shoreline
houses; total roof failures on small residences; shrubs, trees, and all
signs blown down; mobile homes completely destroyed
A fast moving Cat 5 will do real damage... but nothing that compares to
a slow moving Cat 2 storm.  It's a different kind of damage and danger.
A fast Cat 5 is pure power.  A slow Cat 2 will threaten with flood waters.
Yeah that's bullshit too. But, I didn't know the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Scale accounts for flooding and water damage severity either
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD THE MEDIA MENTION IT ONCE.
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast from a hurricane landfall.
So, again, opinions are fine, but it's always nice when you can footnote
your opinions with facts, which I always try to do.
I'd rather wait through a quick storm that's over in a few hours.  (In
fact, I have several times.)  They're over and done with quickly - and
unless you get direct damage, you clean up and move on.  I have 2
generators for the aftermath.
A flood, on the other hand, is much more widespread and the resulting
damage will take longer to fix, and can be far more costly.  Water
damage and mold is far worse than fixing the damage from a tree falling,
or a roof being damaged.
You almost have to rebuild if the flooding is severe enough.
Sure, but as stated the S-S scale accounts for that.
FPP
2018-09-15 13:23:57 UTC
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Post by trotsky
Post by trotsky
Hurricane Florence is now a Cat. 1, thus the media over promised
and under delivered. Kind of the opposite of Puerto Rico, but they
weren't white.
Categories don't really matter.  Categories are only about the wind speed.
"Only?"  130 mph sustained winds are more devastating than 90 mph winds.
"One forecaster says the harm done by a 90 mph wind would be
comparable to that suffered from a 110 mph wind.
That sounds scientific.
“I would not read too much into the categories,” said Howard
Silverman, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service.
Hurricane categories only consider the wind speed, Silverman said,
and “a hurricane is so much more than just the wind. You have the
rain, you have the storm surge."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/weather/bs-md-hurricane-florence-category-20180913-story.html#
That said, the media always has a field day when there's a threat like this.
I'm not saying there isn't going to be danger from these.  I'm just
saying the predictions were more extreme than the reality.  And that
Puerto Rico didn't get nearly the coverage this is, although we know
how devastating that was.
Nobody can predict hurricanes with any measure of certainty.  They do
things that are completely unexpected all the time.  I've seen them
make landfall, and swing around, go out to sea and come back for a
second hit.
That's besides the point, the point being the media "predicts" these
hurricanes as being life ending events every time.  It's called
sensationalism.  My post had two components: the sensationalism of the
media coverage, and the lack of media coverage in an actual catastrophic
event in Puerto Rico.  They covered the the hurricane, but the aftermath
when they were completely abandoned was left under covered because it
didn't fit the narrative of the particular brand of sensationalism that
is their stock in trade.
My point was that the Categories are ONLY a reflection of wind speed,
nothing more.  They don't say a thing about the severity of the
damages that can be done.
I see your point, but it's absolutely incorrect.  This article is from
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/06/hurricane.scale/
If you look at the descriptions of the categories you'll see a Cat. 1
does damage to unanchored mobile homes and shubbery, and a Cat. 4 has
Damage: Extensive damage to doors, windows and lower floors of shoreline
houses; total roof failures on small residences; shrubs, trees, and all
signs blown down; mobile homes completely destroyed
A fast moving Cat 5 will do real damage... but nothing that compares
to a slow moving Cat 2 storm.  It's a different kind of damage and
danger. A fast Cat 5 is pure power.  A slow Cat 2 will threaten with
flood waters.
Yeah that's bullshit too.  But, I didn't know the Saffir-Simpson
Hurricane Scale accounts for flooding and water damage severity either
BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD THE MEDIA MENTION IT ONCE.
The Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale rates a hurricane's intensity using
wind speed and storm surge, which is the abnormal rise in sea level
accompanying a hurricane or other intense storm. The scale also
estimates the potential damage and flooding expected along the coast
from a hurricane landfall.
So, again, opinions are fine, but it's always nice when you can footnote
your opinions with facts, which I always try to do.
I'd rather wait through a quick storm that's over in a few hours.  (In
fact, I have several times.)  They're over and done with quickly - and
unless you get direct damage, you clean up and move on.  I have 2
generators for the aftermath.
A flood, on the other hand, is much more widespread and the resulting
damage will take longer to fix, and can be far more costly.  Water
damage and mold is far worse than fixing the damage from a tree
falling, or a roof being damaged.
You almost have to rebuild if the flooding is severe enough.
Sure, but as stated the S-S scale accounts for that
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
I'll take the Cat 4 over the flood any day.

One tree came down in my yard one time, and one fell on my fence. Both
were quick and relatively inexpensive to fix.

The small flood was a friggin' nightmare. It damaged appliances,
screwed up my electrical, and we had to tear out almost everything
wooden because of possible mold.

Regardless of what the scale shows, I'll go with whatever moves the
fastest, and leaves less water behind. Look at Katrina... the real
problems started after the levees breached.
--
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was
their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1949
"Just remember: what you’re seeing, and what you're reading is not
what’s happening." - Donald J. Trump, 2018
trotsky
2018-09-16 11:29:11 UTC
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Post by FPP
Post by trotsky
Post by FPP
A flood, on the other hand, is much more widespread and the resulting
damage will take longer to fix, and can be far more costly.  Water
damage and mold is far worse than fixing the damage from a tree
falling, or a roof being damaged.
You almost have to rebuild if the flooding is severe enough.
Sure, but as stated the S-S scale accounts for that
I've been through 6 hurricanes now, from Cat 1 to Cat 4, and 1 small flood.
I'll take the Cat 4 over the flood any day.
One tree came down in my yard one time, and one fell on my fence.  Both
were quick and relatively inexpensive to fix.
The small flood was a friggin' nightmare.  It damaged appliances,
screwed up my electrical, and we had to tear out almost everything
wooden because of possible mold.
Regardless of what the scale shows, I'll go with whatever moves the
fastest, and leaves less water behind.  Look at Katrina... the real
problems started after the levees breached.
Which Bush said no one anticipated. Idiotic behavior in the face of
these storms is a problem too. I wonder what "Brownie" is doing these days?
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