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Rhino
2024-12-12 02:16:12 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.

The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?

I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
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Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-12 02:46:25 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.
The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?
I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
My state abolished parole in 1978.

Judges stopped giving indetermiinate sentences, but there's a different
procedure for good behavior and reduction of time in prison.
Rhino
2024-12-12 03:50:05 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.
The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?
I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
My state abolished parole in 1978.
Judges stopped giving indetermiinate sentences, but there's a different
procedure for good behavior and reduction of time in prison.
Ah, the world makes sense again! It just seemed unreasonable that a
state could have no way at all to recognize a prisoner that had "learned
his lesson" whatever that might mean.
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Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-12 04:37:10 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.
The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?
I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
My state abolished parole in 1978.
Judges stopped giving indetermiinate sentences, but there's a different
procedure for good behavior and reduction of time in prison.
Ah, the world makes sense again! It just seemed unreasonable that a
state could have no way at all to recognize a prisoner that had "learned
his lesson" whatever that might mean.
At the time, parole boards had a terrible reputation and were being
blamed for letting prisoners out early who had committed violent crimes,
second guessing the trial court judges. But those indefinite sentences
were a problem of unequal administration of justice.
Rhino
2024-12-12 15:17:22 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.
The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?
I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
My state abolished parole in 1978.
Judges stopped giving indetermiinate sentences, but there's a different
procedure for good behavior and reduction of time in prison.
Ah, the world makes sense again! It just seemed unreasonable that a
state could have no way at all to recognize a prisoner that had "learned
his lesson" whatever that might mean.
At the time, parole boards had a terrible reputation and were being
blamed for letting prisoners out early who had committed violent crimes,
second guessing the trial court judges. But those indefinite sentences
were a problem of unequal administration of justice.
I remember many such claims about soft-hearted parole boards in various
jurisdictions so I'm not surprised that public pressure led to the end
of parole boards in some of them. I don't envy the parole boards that
job. The parole candidates in the documentary all seemed relatively safe
to let out but I expect the filmmaker could have cherry-picked the three
individuals featured in the film and minimized the horror these men had
perpetrated to make them seem less dangerous. Each of them knew they
were on camera and had had 30+ years to learn to act chastened.

So, what does Illinois do in its system since parole got abolished?

We still have parole boards here. Paul Bernardo, arguably the most
notorious murder/sex-offender in this country, was recently up for
parole but got turned down to great relief. A whole lot of people think
he should NEVER be paroled and would happily execute him themselves
given the opportunity.

As I understand it, most prisoners are routinely released 1/3 of the way
through their sentence, if they've been relatively well-behaved.
Virtually everyone is out at the 2/3 mark regardless of behaviour. It's
quite rare for anyone to serve their whole sentence. There IS a
provision for prisoners to be kept longer than their sentence if a
"Dangerous Offender" designation is obtained but that's not easy to get
and even those people are entitled to the occasional parole hearing,
which is why Bernardo got his hearing a couple of weeks back.

Sentences are relatively light by US standards. They get 25 years before
parole eligibility for first degree murder. Multiple murderers serve
their sentences concurrently. The Harper government, which was in power
when some notorious multiple murders took place, changed the law to make
it possible for multiple murderers to be sentenced to consecutive 25
year terms but the courts soon overturned that to make them concurrent
again.
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Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-13 01:05:54 UTC
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. . .
So, what does Illinois do in its system since parole got abolished?
There's credit for good behavior. For some crimes, the prisoner can
receive up to a day off in prison for every day of good behavior, but
they remain under sentence and still must report to an officer of the
Prisoner Review Board.
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The Horny Goat
2024-12-13 02:47:25 UTC
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There's credit for good behavior. For some crimes, the prisoner can
receive up to a day off in prison for every day of good behavior, but
they remain under sentence and still must report to an officer of the
Prisoner Review Board.
How does that work with a life sentence? Which I assume is what a
murderer gets sentenced to if they're in a state without capital
punishment.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-13 02:50:13 UTC
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There's credit for good behavior. For some crimes, the prisoner can
receive up to a day off in prison for every day of good behavior, but
they remain under sentence and still must report to an officer of the
Prisoner Review Board.
How does that work with a life sentence? Which I assume is what a
murderer gets sentenced to if they're in a state without capital
punishment.
It's inapplicable.
anim8rfsk
2024-12-14 01:19:39 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:05:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
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There's credit for good behavior. For some crimes, the prisoner can
receive up to a day off in prison for every day of good behavior, but
they remain under sentence and still must report to an officer of the
Prisoner Review Board.
How does that work with a life sentence? Which I assume is what a
murderer gets sentenced to if they're in a state without capital
punishment.
Life sentences are eligible for parole after a couple handfuls of years
which is why Judges took to giving people 200 sentences.

On TV I see people get sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of
parole, but I don’t know the judges actually have the authority to do that.
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BTR1701
2024-12-16 05:00:33 UTC
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There's credit for good behavior. For some crimes, the prisoner can
receive up to a day off in prison for every day of good behavior, but
they remain under sentence and still must report to an officer of the
Prisoner Review Board.
How does that work with a life sentence? Which I assume is what a
murderer gets sentenced to if they're in a state without capital
punishment.
Life sentences are eligible for parole after a couple handfuls of years
which is why Judges took to giving people 200 sentences.
On TV I see people get sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of
parole, but I don’t know the judges actually have the authority to do that.
That's a valid sentence in California, but of course the 'progressive'
criminal lovers in the Assembly have passed various escape clauses for
those suffering under such barbaric sentences.

You can now apply for re-sentencing of your life-without-parole (LWOP)
sentence if you meet certain criteria, like sex abuse as a child;(this is
the gambit the Menendi Brothers are using to try to get out of prison).
There's also "elder parole" now where you can be released if you're 55 or
older and have served 20 years. It basically allows murderers and
psychopaths to 'retire' from prison.

anim8rfsk
2024-12-12 23:17:35 UTC
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I just finished watching an HBO documentary called Nature of the Crime
and it had a rather surprising/puzzling factoid at the end. The film is
about parole and the process that a parole board goes through to decide
if someone who is eligible for parole should be released.
The factoid that puzzles me is this: "34 states have parole systems,
each with their own procedures". The thing I don't understand is what
happens in the other 16 states? (I'm not even going to get into DC,
Puerto Rico, Guam, and all of those places.) Do the other 16 states not
allow parole at all?? Or do they have some other process to decide if
someone has served enough time to be considered for release?
I'm having trouble believing that a state would have no process for
letting someone deemed no longer a major risk to society being released.
I don't know your Constitution well enough to cite a section that
guarantees all state (and federal) prisoners some kind of parole (or
parole-like) process for prisoners deemed deserving.
My state abolished parole in 1978.
Judges stopped giving indetermiinate sentences, but there's a different
procedure for good behavior and reduction of time in prison.
Ah, the world makes sense again! It just seemed unreasonable that a
state could have no way at all to recognize a prisoner that had "learned
his lesson" whatever that might mean.
At the time, parole boards had a terrible reputation and were being
blamed for letting prisoners out early who had committed violent crimes,
second guessing the trial court judges. But those indefinite sentences
were a problem of unequal administration of justice.
Our parole boards here are still ridiculous. I have multiple friends that
have been murdered over the years and their sons and daughters and mothers
and fathers and spouses and siblings have to go to the parole hearing and
testify that it still hurts them. Apparently, if you kill somebody that has
no survivors, that’s not as big as a problem and you get to go free.
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