Doctor Who - Flux Part 3 Once , Upon Time - Review with Heavy spoilers

Post by The Doctor
Doctor Who - Once , Upon Time
After the Sontarans looking substandard
we get this drivel.

I take it you didn't like it so?

solar penguin

2021-11-14 20:54:39 UTC

Well, I enjoyed that episode, but it seems like I’m in the
minority. But then as I get older, I tend to prefer quiet, gentle
short stories more than big, long epics, so it’s not surprising
I welcomed a breather episode as a nice change from all
the action.

And, as I’ve said before, Chibnall’s small-scale character
sketches are much better than his attempts at plots.

It was good to learn more about Vinder’s background
at
long last. My only complaint is that he wasn’t atoning for
a serious crime, which would’ve given him some interesting
moral complexity. Instead he really is a genuinely good
guy who did nothing wrong and has a devoted, loving woman
looking for him. (It was also kind of obvious that he would
turn out to be who she was looking for. Why else introduce
her in the episode that gives his backstory?)

It was also great to see the past connection between Swarm
and the Doctor. I didn’t care for the look of old Swarm
though. His appearance has definitely improved with age!

Talking of changed appearances, it was a pity we couldn’t
see more of Jo Martin’s pre-Hartnell Doctor, but I loved
the brief glimpses we got. (Could COVID restrictions be
they couldn’t actually show her with any other people?)

Maybe those restrictions are also why this episode had
so few guest actors, with the regulars doubling up in multiple
roles. Whatever the reason it added a wonderful surreal
atmosphere to the episode, like no other. Of the few guests
there were, it was interesting to see Dot from Line Of Duty
playing an equally corrupt character. He’s probably typecast
for life! (I’m a bit confused though about why Vinder was
so shocked to learn that someone literally called the Great
Serpent wasn’t entirely trustworthy!)

For me, the weakest parts of the episode were those that
were only there to tie into the wider epic. Why is a Weeping
Angel stalking Yaz? Is the mysterious old woman the White
Guardian or a future Doctor? Who started the Flux? And
what else does Karvanista know that he isn’t telling?

(Crossposts deliberately left in just to piss off self-appointed
busy-bodies who want to dictate where people should
or shouldn’t post. Fuck you! Usenet is all about anarchy!
If you don’t like it, go to another forum instead!)

--
solar penguin

solar penguin

2021-11-14 21:44:19 UTC

Post by solar penguin
Well, I enjoyed that episode, but it seems like I’m in the
minority. But then as I get older, I tend to prefer quiet, gentle
short stories more than big, long epics, so it’s not surprising
I welcomed a breather episode as a nice change from all
the action.
And, as I’ve said before, Chibnall’s small-scale character
sketches are much better than his attempts at plots.
It was good to learn more about Vinder’s background
at
long last. My only complaint is that he wasn’t atoning for
a serious crime, which would’ve given him some interesting
moral complexity. Instead he really is a genuinely good
guy who did nothing wrong and has a devoted, loving woman
looking for him. (It was also kind of obvious that he would
turn out to be who she was looking for. Why else introduce
her in the episode that gives his backstory?)
It was also great to see the past connection between Swarm
and the Doctor. I didn’t care for the look of old Swarm
though. His appearance has definitely improved with age!
Talking of changed appearances, it was a pity we couldn’t
see more of Jo Martin’s pre-Hartnell Doctor, but I loved
the brief glimpses we got. (Could COVID restrictions be
they couldn’t actually show her with any other people?)
Maybe those restrictions are also why this episode had
so few guest actors, with the regulars doubling up in multiple
roles. Whatever the reason it added a wonderful surreal
atmosphere to the episode, like no other. Of the few guests
there were, it was interesting to see Dot from Line Of Duty
playing an equally corrupt character. He’s probably typecast
for life! (I’m a bit confused though about why Vinder was
so shocked to learn that someone literally called the Great
Serpent wasn’t entirely trustworthy!)
For me, the weakest parts of the episode were those that
were only there to tie into the wider epic. Why is a Weeping
Angel stalking Yaz? Is the mysterious old woman the White
Guardian or a future Doctor? Who started the Flux? And
what else does Karvanista know that he isn’t telling?

Forgot to add: I’m not quite sure what happened with the
Mouri going backwards in time to replace themselves or
whatever it was they did to fix things, but that’s always
the problem with the resolution to timely-wimey episodes
anyway. The set-up is always better than the solution.

Post by solar penguin
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solar penguin

The Doctor

2021-11-15 00:00:41 UTC

Well, I enjoyed that episode, but it seems like Iâm in the
minority. But then as I get older, I tend to prefer quiet, gentle
short stories more than big, long epics, so itâs not surprising
I welcomed a breather episode as a nice change from all
the action.
And, as Iâve said before, Chibnallâs small-scale character
sketches are much better than his attempts at plots.
It was good to learn more about Vinderâs background
at
long last. My only complaint is that he wasnât atoning for
a serious crime, which wouldâve given him some interesting
moral complexity. Instead he really is a genuinely good
guy who did nothing wrong and has a devoted, loving woman
looking for him. (It was also kind of obvious that he would
turn out to be who she was looking for. Why else introduce
her in the episode that gives his backstory?)
It was also great to see the past connection between Swarm
and the Doctor. I didnât care for the look of old Swarm
though. His appearance has definitely improved with age!
Talking of changed appearances, it was a pity we couldnât
see more of Jo Martinâs pre-Hartnell Doctor, but I loved
the brief glimpses we got. (Could COVID restrictions be
they couldnât actually show her with any other people?)
Maybe those restrictions are also why this episode had
so few guest actors, with the regulars doubling up in multiple
roles. Whatever the reason it added a wonderful surreal
atmosphere to the episode, like no other. Of the few guests
there were, it was interesting to see Dot from Line Of Duty
playing an equally corrupt character. Heâs probably typecast
for life! (Iâm a bit confused though about why Vinder was
so shocked to learn that someone literally called the Great
Serpent wasnât entirely trustworthy!)
For me, the weakest parts of the episode were those that
were only there to tie into the wider epic. Why is a Weeping
Angel stalking Yaz? Is the mysterious old woman the White
Guardian or a future Doctor? Who started the Flux? And
what else does Karvanista know that he isnât telling?

Let's hope this nightmare gets retconned.

Hopefully the 12th Doctor is regenerating!

The whole Flux is weak! It is weaker than Orphan 55!

(Crossposts deliberately left in just to piss off self-appointed
busy-bodies who want to dictate where people should
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Go SP!

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solar penguin

The True Doctor

2021-11-14 22:23:49 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

solar penguin

2021-11-14 22:36:03 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

That’s a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

I don’t understand how you’re misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

--
solar penguin

The Doctor

2021-11-15 00:04:25 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.
Thatâs a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

I donât understand how youâre misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?
--
solar penguin

IIRC Sum 0 to n of 2^n = 2^(n+1) -1

What?

The True Doctor

2021-11-15 10:17:57 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

What is infinity?

Post by solar penguin
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

Nope. As n tends to infinity the entire series behaves as if it were
equivalent to -1, satisfying all the processes of addition and
multiplication. This is exactly the way negative numbers are represented
in binary using a modified version of the 2-adic numbers.

If you add ...11111111 and ...00000001 you will get ...00000000.

I gave you a clue with 10, which is 2 in binary.

Using the Euler summation you have y^0 + y^1 + y^2 + y^3 + y^4 + ... =
1/1-y, which for 2 is -1.

if s = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ...
= 2 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...)
= 1 + 2s

therefore 0 = 1 + s, so s = -1.

Post by solar penguin
That’s a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

...and I was right.

Post by solar penguin
I don’t understand how you’re misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

You are the one misunderstanding the maths.

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

solar penguin

2021-11-15 10:50:19 UTC

The True Moron tried mathematics

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

What is infinity?

Post by solar penguin
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

Nope. As n tends to infinity the entire series behaves as if it were
equivalent to -1, satisfying all the processes of addition and
multiplication.

You’re adding increasingly large positive numbers. Nothing
negative to bring it down, just more and more positive
numbers to drive it further and further up.

How does that give you -1?

Post by The True Doctor
This is exactly the way negative numbers are represented
in binary using a modified version of the 2-adic numbers.
If you add ...11111111 and ...00000001 you will get ...00000000.

Suddenly you start using two’s compliment binary, even
though the initial formula was written in base 10 and the
infinite upper limit to n doesn’t work in Ring systems like
two’s complement.

Goalposts. Shifting. Again.

Post by The True Doctor
I gave you a clue with 10, which is 2 in binary.
Using the Euler summation you have y^0 + y^1 + y^2 + y^3 + y^4 + ... =
1/1-y, which for 2 is -1.

That doesn’t work if y>1. And since 2>1, you’re just adding
increasingly large positive numbers to drive the total further
and further up.

Post by The True Doctor
if s = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ...
= 2 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...) is
= 1 + 2s
therefore 0 = 1 + s, so s = -1.

For a encore, try to prove black is white, and get run over
on a zebra crossing.

Post by solar penguin
That’s a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

...and I was right.

Post by solar penguin
I don’t understand how you’re misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

You are the one misunderstanding the maths.

At least I now understand your misunderstanding.

You seem to be confusing two’s complement (which is a
binary method of denoting an algebraic Ring system) with
regular binary notation of the integer Field, and also treating
2 as if it’s less than one. It’s no wonder you got the wrong answer.

--
solar penguin

The True Doctor

2021-11-15 21:39:50 UTC

Post by solar penguin
The True Moron tried mathematics

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

What is infinity?

You didn't answer.

Post by solar penguin
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

Nope. As n tends to infinity the entire series behaves as if it were
equivalent to -1, satisfying all the processes of addition and
multiplication.

You’re adding increasingly large positive numbers. Nothing
negative to bring it down, just more and more positive
numbers to drive it further and further up.

It makes no difference. The only thing that matters is how you define
the distance between the numbers.

Post by solar penguin
How does that give you -1?

The sum of the sequences is zero distance away from -1 if you break
everything up into an infinite number of subdivisions.

It's not shifting the goal posts. It's called changing the metric, and
I'm perfectly allowed to do that. The rules of mathematics and physics
are exactly the same in both metrics and so is the answer. Mathematica's
and physicists use this strategy all the time to solve prolbems. Some
problems are easier to solve that way.

How do you think Einstein got General Relativity to work inside black holes?

How do you think Fermat's Last Theorem was solved?

Post by The True Doctor
I gave you a clue with 10, which is 2 in binary.
Using the Euler summation you have y^0 + y^1 + y^2 + y^3 + y^4 + ... =
1/1-y, which for 2 is -1.

That doesn’t work if y>1. And since 2>1, you’re just adding
increasingly large positive numbers to drive the total further
and further up.

It works perfectly well since it was designed to sum up divergent series.

Post by The True Doctor
if s = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ...
= 2 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...) is
= 1 + 2s

I should have typed = 1 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...) is
= 1 + 2s

No wonder you got confused. My fault for the typo.

Post by The True Doctor
therefore 0 = 1 + s, so s = -1.

For a encore, try to prove black is white, and get run over
on a zebra crossing.

Black and white are exactly the same colour. Everyone should know that.
Through technically they are not colours. Black is just an absence of light.

Post by solar penguin
That’s a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

...and I was right.

Post by solar penguin
I don’t understand how you’re misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

You are the one misunderstanding the maths.

At least I now understand your misunderstanding.

I've not misunderstood anything.

Post by solar penguin
You seem to be confusing two’s complement (which is a
binary method of denoting an algebraic Ring system) with
regular binary notation of the integer Field, and also treating
2 as if it’s less than one. It’s no wonder you got the wrong answer.

Nope. How do you think two's complement works and what do you think the
mathematical proof is?

What you're actually doing is using a modified system of 2-adic numbers
where the sum of all of the powers of 2 to infinity adds up to -1, which
is why -1 is represented in binary in that manner, and obeys the rules
of addition and multiplication. The limitation is each binary word has
to assume an extension to infinity, and the limited word size limits the
magnitude of the positive and negative numbers you can represent and
manipulate.

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

Daniel65

2021-11-24 05:26:31 UTC

The True Doctor wrote on 16/11/21 8:39 am:

<Snip>

Post by The True Doctor
Black and white are exactly the same colour. Everyone should know that.
Through technically they are not colours. Black is just an absence of light.

White is the presence of all the Visible Colours in an appropriate mixture.
Black is the absence of any reflected light!

--
Daniel

The Doctor

2021-11-24 14:04:32 UTC

Post by Daniel65
<Snip>

Post by The True Doctor
Black and white are exactly the same colour. Everyone should know that.
Through technically they are not colours. Black is just an absence of light.

White is the presence of all the Visible Colours in an appropriate mixture.
Black is the absence of any reflected light!
--
Daniel

Correction noted.

The True Doctor

2021-11-15 16:59:46 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

What is infinity?

Post by solar penguin
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

Nope. As n tends to infinity the entire series behaves as if it were
equivalent to -1, satisfying all the processes of addition and
multiplication. This is exactly the way negative numbers are represented
in binary using a modified version of the 2-adic numbers.
If you add ...11111111 and ...00000001 you will get ...00000000.
I gave you a clue with 10, which is 2 in binary.
Using the Euler summation you have y^0 + y^1 + y^2 + y^3 + y^4 + ... =
1/1-y, which for 2 is -1.
if s = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ...
= 2 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...)

made a typo

last line should read = 1 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...)

Post by The True Doctor
= 1 + 2s
therefore 0 = 1 + s, so s = -1.

Post by solar penguin
That’s a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

...and I was right.

Post by solar penguin
I don’t understand how you’re misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

You are the one misunderstanding the maths.

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw

"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

The Doctor

2021-11-15 23:46:51 UTC

Post by The Doctor
(-10/10) .
Please RTD retcon the Chibnall/Whittaker Era once you have taken over!

I gave it (1 + The Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n))/10, where n
is an integer from n=0 -> n=positive infinity.

As n tends to infinity, the Sum of (1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ... + 2^n)
also becomes infinity.

What is infinity?

Post by solar penguin
So, you gave the episode (1+infinity)/10.

Nope. As n tends to infinity the entire series behaves as if it were
equivalent to -1, satisfying all the processes of addition and
multiplication. This is exactly the way negative numbers are represented
in binary using a modified version of the 2-adic numbers.
If you add ...11111111 and ...00000001 you will get ...00000000.
I gave you a clue with 10, which is 2 in binary.
Using the Euler summation you have y^0 + y^1 + y^2 + y^3 + y^4 + ... =
1/1-y, which for 2 is -1.
if s = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + ...
Â Â Â Â = 2 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...)

made a typo
last line should read = 1 + 2(1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + ...)

Post by The True Doctor
Â Â Â Â = 1 + 2s
therefore 0 = 1 + s, so s = -1.

Post by solar penguin
Thatâs a very generous score!

Post by The True Doctor
The Jodieites will not understand any of the above at all.

...and I was right.

Post by solar penguin
I donât understand how youâre misunderstanding the maths.
Does that count?

You are the one misunderstanding the maths.

--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

Old maths joke.

Daniel65

2021-11-24 05:30:49 UTC

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Post by The Doctor

Post by The True Doctor
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it
stands for." -William Shatner

Old maths joke.

WHAT?? 'They' used to joke about being 'woke' in Maths Class!!

Maybe, if they'd paid more attention .......!

--
Daniel

The Doctor

2021-11-24 14:04:55 UTC

Post by Daniel65
<Snip>

Post by The Doctor

Old maths joke.

WHAT?? 'They' used to joke about being 'woke' in Maths Class!!
Maybe, if they'd paid more attention .......!
--
Daniel

And that was before 'woke' was popular.

Daniel65

2021-11-22 12:08:30 UTC