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Bernie Sanders: Kamala Isn't Abandoning Her Progressive Ideals, She's Being "Pragmatic" To Win The Election
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Ubiquitous
2024-09-10 08:32:06 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being “pragmatic”
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.

On NBC’s “Meet The Press,” moderator Kristen Welker asked Sanders, “You have
described Vice President Kamala Harris as a progressive. She has previously
supported Medicare For All. Now, she does not. She’s previously supported a
ban on fracking. Now, she does not. These, senator, are ideas that you have
campaigned on. Do you think that she is abandoning her progressive ideals?”

“No, I don’t think she’s abandoning her ideals,” Sanders relied. “I think
she’s trying to be pragmatic and doing what she thinks is right in order to
win the election. My own view is slightly different. I think that in America
today there are a lot of people, rural people, working class people, who no
longer believe that the United States Congress and government represents
their interests, too dominated by big-money interest.”

The comments were highlighted by Trump’s campaign, with the “War Room”
account on X declaring in bold and all capital letters, “QUIET PART OUT
LOUD.”

QUIET PART OUT LOUD

Welker: "Do you think Kamala is abandoning her progressive ideals?"

Bernie: "I think she is trying to be pragmatic and do what she
thinks is right in order to win the election."
pic.twitter.com/qtwmgui7vd

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) September 8, 2024

Social media influencer Rogan O’Handley, better known as “DC Draino,” said
the clip “needs to be everywhere.” He said that Sanders was “confirming that
Kamala is doing whatever it takes to win the election,” and then “she’ll
enact Marxist policies.” He concluded, “They’re openly telling us their
plans.”

This video needs to be everywhere

Bernie Sanders is confirming that Kamala is doing whatever it takes
to win the election

Then she’ll enact Marxist policies

They’re openly telling us their plans

pic.twitter.com/C2SfpD2yBZ

— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) September 8, 2024

Sanders, in continuing his response, went on to say, “I think that there is
something wrong, personally, when we are the only major country on earth not
to guarantee health care to all of our people, despite spending twice as much
per capita. That is why I support Medicare For All. She does not,”

He added. “She has another approach toward moving toward universal health
care. But again, I think on issues like expanding Medicare by expanding
social security and lifting the cap on taxable income that the rich put in so
we can raise Social Security benefits, the need to raise the minimum wage
from a starvation $7.25 minimum wage to a living wage, I think if you
campaign on those issues, raising taxes on billionaires, you know what? She’s
going to win. And I think she could win big.”

In following up, Welker asked Sanders, “Well, let me just ask you, then, big
picture. Do you still consider Vice President Kamala Harris to be
progressive, senator?”

“I do,” Sanders said. “Look, she is not where I am. But I think, for example,
when she talks about making the Child Tax Credit permanent, and you know we
did that in the American Rescue Plan. We lowered childhood poverty by 40%.
Kristen, we should not have, as the richest country on earth, one of the
highest rates of childhood poverty in the world.”

“When she talks about building 3 million units of affordable housing, that’s
a big deal because we have a major housing crisis in America,” he continued.
“When she talks about passing the PEARL Act to make it easier for workers to
join unions, that’s a big deal because we have to expand the union movement
so that workers get decent wages. So yeah, her views are not mine, but I do
consider her progressive.”

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Let's go Brandon!
BTR1701
2024-09-10 17:50:06 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for her.

Democrats in July 2024:
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"

Democrats in August 2024:
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
anim8rfsk
2024-09-10 18:17:32 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for her.
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
But according to her TV commercials, she already put a stop to inflation.
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shawn
2024-09-10 21:07:27 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for her.
She's being a politician which means starting off with playing to a
smaller group of people, often with more extreme positions. Then
playing more to the middle once you have the nomination. Which is
often more likely what can be done then the earlier positions.
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"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
trotsky
2024-09-11 08:18:57 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for her.
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
Can you show the group where that "quote" came from you motherfucking
stupid liar?
Ubiquitous
2024-09-11 08:30:41 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her
2024 campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for her.
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
Hell, when she appeared on Jimmy Fallon's show after the debate, she
contradicted several things she said during the debate.

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Let's go Brandon!
shawn
2024-09-12 15:52:45 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
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"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
Ubiquitous
2024-09-12 17:18:15 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running
her 2024 campaign for the White House against former President Donald
Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
"But but but he does it toooo!!!".

Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.
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"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
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Harris-Walz 2024
BTR1701
2024-09-12 17:29:10 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
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"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
shawn
2024-09-12 21:39:51 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
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"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
moviePig
2024-09-12 21:51:52 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
BTR1701
2024-09-13 02:39:40 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
moviePig
2024-09-13 16:41:50 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
BTR1701
2024-09-13 18:28:47 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
moviePig
2024-09-13 19:25:23 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
BTR1701
2024-09-13 20:16:35 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.

Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
moviePig
2024-09-13 21:16:57 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
BTR1701
2024-09-13 22:45:09 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
moviePig
2024-09-13 22:59:26 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
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2024-09-14 00:12:22 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.

Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system', it's
1st Amendment protected speech.
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2024-09-14 02:36:43 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system', it's
1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system', it's
1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election system
was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system', it's
1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
"One example of a fraudulent misrepresentation is a Ponzi scheme.
Suppose you meet a well-dressed and smooth-talking businessman who tells
you that you can earn amazing returns from a new investment. The
statement is intended to lead you to invest your money and you rely on
the statement by doing so. It turns out that the money has not been
invested at all but has instead been spent by the businessman to fund
his exotic lifestyle. As a result, you have lost your investment. You
could then sue for fraudulent misrepresentation to recover the amount of
your investment."

Where's the contract?
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It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for
baselessly impugning a system we need to have considerable
faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but
that the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so
therefore has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election
system was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you
could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system',
it's 1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
"One example of a fraudulent misrepresentation is a Ponzi scheme.
Suppose you meet a well-dressed and smooth-talking businessman who tells
you that you can earn amazing returns from a new investment. The
statement is intended to lead you to invest your money and you rely on
the statement by doing so.
That puts you in privity of contract with the smooth-talking
businessman. You can't show the same thing between you and Trump.
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Where's the contract?
One presumes if Pig has invested money into whatever project he's been
pitched, he would have had a contract drawn up prior to the transfer of
funds. Would Pig be so stupid as to just hand a smooth-talking
businessman his cash with no contract? One hopes not. And even if Pig
did, he'd still have a verbal contract, however handicapped by the
Statute of Frauds it would be.
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It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for
baselessly impugning a system we need to have considerable
faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but
that the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so
therefore has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election
system was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you
could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system',
it's 1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
"One example of a fraudulent misrepresentation is a Ponzi scheme.
Suppose you meet a well-dressed and smooth-talking businessman who tells
you that you can earn amazing returns from a new investment. The
statement is intended to lead you to invest your money and you rely on
the statement by doing so.
That puts you in privity of contract with the smooth-talking
businessman. You can't show the same thing between you and Trump.
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Where's the contract?
One presumes if Pig has invested money into whatever project he's been
pitched, he would have had a contract drawn up prior to the transfer of
funds. Would Pig be so stupid as to just hand a smooth-talking
businessman his cash with no contract? One hopes not. And even if Pig
did, he'd still have a verbal contract, however handicapped by the
Statute of Frauds it would be.
There's no contract, there's only the purchase of stock ...which allows
the lying businessman to cash out his own shares at an inflated price.
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2024-09-14 18:40:53 UTC
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It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for
baselessly impugning a system we need to have considerable
faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but
that the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so
therefore has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election
system was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you
could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system',
it's 1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
"One example of a fraudulent misrepresentation is a Ponzi scheme.
Suppose you meet a well-dressed and smooth-talking businessman who tells
you that you can earn amazing returns from a new investment. The
statement is intended to lead you to invest your money and you rely on
the statement by doing so.
That puts you in privity of contract with the smooth-talking
businessman. You can't show the same thing between you and Trump.
Post by moviePig
Where's the contract?
One presumes if Pig has invested money into whatever project he's been
pitched, he would have had a contract drawn up prior to the transfer of
funds. Would Pig be so stupid as to just hand a smooth-talking
businessman his cash with no contract? One hopes not. And even if Pig
did, he'd still have a verbal contract, however handicapped by the
Statute of Frauds it would be.
There's no contract, there's only the purchase of stock ...which allows
the lying businessman to cash out his own shares at an inflated price.
And for this analogy to work, you're suggesting the smooth-talking
businessman has slandered and vandalized the stock exchange system?
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2024-09-14 19:13:51 UTC
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It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for
baselessly impugning a system we need to have considerable
faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but
that the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so
therefore has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
So, if I can show that Trump's lies about our election system have
caused me distress, then I can sue him? Out standing...
No, that would give you standing only if lying about an election
system was illegal in the first place. It is not, therefore you
could not.
So, deliberate misinformation isn't liable for the damage it causes?
Nope. The 1st Amendment doesn't require you to be accurate and truthful.
Not only is there no law against 'disparaging the election system',
it's 1st Amendment protected speech.
"To successfully sue for a fraudulent misrepresentation the
Plaintiff (the person suing) needs to prove not only that an untrue
statement was made but that the Defendant (person who is being sued)
knew that the statement was untrue. The Plaintiff must prove that he or
she relied on the misrepresentation and that the Defendant intended that
he or she would rely on the misrepresentation. Finally, the Plaintiff
must prove that he or she suffered damages because of the
misrepresentation."
None of which you can do because you're not in privity of contract with
Trump.
"One example of a fraudulent misrepresentation is a Ponzi scheme.
Suppose you meet a well-dressed and smooth-talking businessman who tells
you that you can earn amazing returns from a new investment. The
statement is intended to lead you to invest your money and you rely on
the statement by doing so.
That puts you in privity of contract with the smooth-talking
businessman. You can't show the same thing between you and Trump.
Post by moviePig
Where's the contract?
One presumes if Pig has invested money into whatever project he's been
pitched, he would have had a contract drawn up prior to the transfer of
funds. Would Pig be so stupid as to just hand a smooth-talking
businessman his cash with no contract? One hopes not. And even if Pig
did, he'd still have a verbal contract, however handicapped by the
Statute of Frauds it would be.
There's no contract, there's only the purchase of stock ...which allows
the lying businessman to cash out his own shares at an inflated price.
And for this analogy to work, you're suggesting the smooth-talking
businessman has slandered and vandalized the stock exchange system?
Specifically encourage my purchase, he has told me lies relating to the
company's prospects. Not "puffery" or "opinion", but lies...
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How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Might be why nobody has standing to sue.
No, lack of standing implies there's a valid cause of action but that
the potential plaintiff has not been directly harmed and so therefore
has no standing to bring the suit.
Since one cannot legally slander or vandalize a concept, there's no
valid cause of action in the first place. Standing is irrelevant.
Generally any decision on 'lack of standing' takes place BEFORE any
decision on whether there's a valid cause of action. (At least in my
jurisdiction). If the answer is the plaintiff DOESN'T have standing
the case ends then and there.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President
Kamala Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but
rather is being "pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy
issues while running her 2024 campaign for the White House
against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting
for her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
We don't do blasphemy laws in America.
How about slander and vandalism?...
One can't legally slander or vandalize a concept.
Amazing, that's a valid thing to say. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut
sometimes--no pun intended.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
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2024-09-15 16:27:50 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
I'd be in favor of punishing someone for baselessly impugning a system
we need to have considerable faith in.
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2024-09-15 17:15:00 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
I'd be in favor of punishing someone for baselessly impugning a system
we need to have considerable faith in.
Yes, we've already established that you and free speech are mortal enemies.
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2024-09-15 19:50:38 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
I'd be in favor of punishing someone for baselessly impugning a system
we need to have considerable faith in.
Yes, we've already established that you and free speech are mortal enemies.
And lord knows you'd be one to speak for the Establishment...
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
I'd be in favor of punishing someone for baselessly impugning a system
we need to have considerable faith in.
Yes, we've already established that you and free speech are mortal enemies.
Not true with me though, which is why you're too scared shitless to respond.
BTR1701
2024-09-15 17:14:13 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
And Hillary for falsely claiming it was the Russians manipulating the election
that caused her loss. That slanders our election system, also, after all.

But one suspects in the Legal System According to moviePig, there's an
unwritten but very effective "it's different when a Democrat does it"
exception to just about every rule.
moviePig
2024-09-15 19:57:48 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024
campaign for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
And Hillary for falsely claiming it was the Russians manipulating the election
that caused her loss. That slanders our election system, also, after all.
But one suspects in the Legal System According to moviePig, there's an
unwritten but very effective "it's different when a Democrat does it"
exception to just about every rule.
Claiming Russia manipulated public opinion is... umm... rather different
from claiming they silently corrupted the tabulation.
trotsky
2024-09-17 09:23:23 UTC
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  On Sep 12, 2024 at 8:52:45 AM PDT, "shawn"
  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice
President Kamala
  Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather
is being
"pragmatic"
  when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running
her 2024
  campaign for the White House against former President Donald
Trump.
  So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into
voting for
  her.
  You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
  voting for him a competition that he is winning.
  And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while
dismissing
  Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
  I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
  don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
  still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
  change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
  position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
  election.
  ...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
And Hillary for falsely claiming it was the Russians manipulating the election
that caused her loss. That slanders our election system, also, after all.
But one suspects in the Legal System According to moviePig, there's an
unwritten but very effective "it's different when a Democrat does it"
exception to just about every rule.
Claiming Russia manipulated public opinion is... umm... rather different
from claiming they silently corrupted the tabulation.
I'll claim that. Reality Winner already provided us with evidence that
the voter rolls were hacked in 19 states so manipulating the vote totals
isn't much of a stretch.
moviePig
2024-09-17 16:00:55 UTC
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Post by moviePig
  On Sep 12, 2024 at 8:52:45 AM PDT, "shawn"
  Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice
President Kamala
  Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather
is being
"pragmatic"
  when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running
her 2024
  campaign for the White House against former President Donald
Trump.
  So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into
voting for
  her.
  You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
  voting for him a competition that he is winning.
  And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that
while dismissing
  Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
  I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
  don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
  still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
  change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
  position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
  election.
  ...
It's too bad that nobody has standing to sue him for baselessly
impugning a system we need to have considerable faith in.
So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
And Hillary for falsely claiming it was the Russians manipulating the election
that caused her loss. That slanders our election system, also, after all.
But one suspects in the Legal System According to moviePig, there's an
unwritten but very effective "it's different when a Democrat does it"
exception to just about every rule.
Claiming Russia manipulated public opinion is... umm... rather
different from claiming they silently corrupted the tabulation.
I'll claim that.  Reality Winner already provided us with evidence that
the voter rolls were hacked in 19 states so manipulating the vote totals
isn't much of a stretch.
Seems to me that hacking voter rolls would be an awfully inefficient way
to upend an election, but a good way to sow FUD maybe...

The Horny Goat
2024-09-16 01:06:06 UTC
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So you'd be in favor of suing New York, Georgia, and DC for attempting
to sway the election against Trump?
Why would you not expect a Democratic party state governor not to try
to get out the vote for Kamala?

(I'd be more surprised if he or she didn't)
NoBody
2024-09-15 13:19:51 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
I prefer that they don't but some lies are to be expected even if we
don't like them. Trump takes it to a crazy level especially with him
still insisting that he won the 2020 election. It's one thing to
change a position on an issue and pretend that was always your
position. It's another to lie about basic facts like who won an
election.
"Some lies?" Literally everything Harris says is a lie.
trotsky
2024-09-13 09:41:11 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
And people like you insist that it's bad when he does that while dismissing
Democrats who do it with "Pshaw, that's just politics."
Are you and the other asshole able to produce the exact quote or are you
just going to show some TikTok horseshit again?
NoBody
2024-09-15 13:18:55 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
Could you address Harris's lie and not do the "but but Trump" bit?
Ubiquitous
2024-09-16 13:42:25 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala
Harris has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being
"pragmatic" when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running
her 2024 campaign for the White House against former President Donald
Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
You do know that Trump has made lying to people to trick them into
voting for him a competition that he is winning.
Could you address Harris's lie and not do the "but but Trump" bit?
That was a rhetorical question, right?

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shawn
2024-09-12 21:41:39 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
The TV ads here say she already ended inflation.
What ads? ;)

I haven't been watching actual TV in a bit because of the repeats and
that there would be an endless array of political ads. It's enough to
hear of them when watching some political commentary on Youtube.
anim8rfsk
2024-09-12 17:55:01 UTC
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) argued on Sunday that Vice President Kamala Harris
has not abandoned her progressive ideals, but rather is being "pragmatic"
when she flip flips on certain policy issues while running her 2024 campaign
for the White House against former President Donald Trump.
So in other words, she's lying to people to trick them into voting for
her.
"The economy is going great under Biden. Best it's been in 40 years!"
"Vote for Kamala. She will fix the terrible economy!"
The TV ads here say she already ended inflation.
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