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Ed Stasiak
2020-10-03 01:37:43 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via their employers.

https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020

Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’

With half the US population reportedly unwilling to submit to an experimental Covid-19 shot, a new scientific paper has shed light on how state health authorities might enforce compliance with vaccine mandates.

Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday, the paper outlines strategies for circumventing widespread fears over the safety of a rushed-to-market vaccine against the novel coronavirus, providing health authorities with a playbook for coercing a skittish populace.

The writers acknowledge that voluntary measures should be tried first, rather than mandating the vaccine for everyone out of the gate. However, if the target population doesn't comply within a trial period, a mandate should be rolled out, and the penalties for refusing to submit should be harsh. Given “the costs of a failed voluntary scheme,” the writers warn, authorities should wait no more than a few weeks before rolling out a mandate if uptake falls short of expectations.

The paper says “six substantive criteria” must be met before a Covid-19 vaccine is imposed by the state. A federal body, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, must greenlight administration to certain groups of the populace first, and “only recommended groups should be considered for a vaccination mandate.”

“High-risk” groups should be given priority on that list.

“The elderly, health professionals working in high-risk situations or working with high-risk patients…persons with certain underlying medical conditions,” and people living in “high-density settings such as prisons and dormitories” – as well as active-duty military service members – should be ordered to get the jab as soon as health officials are confident they have a sufficient supply to cover these groups, the paper suggests.

Rather than attempting to pass laws requiring certain populations to get the vaccine, the paper recommends that “noncompliance should incur a penalty” – and a “relatively substantial” one. The non-compliant should be threatened with “employment suspension or stay-at-home orders,” though fines or criminal charges are discouraged, because they “disadvantage the poor” and risk getting the mandate itself challenged in court. Worse, they “may stoke distrust without improving uptake,” it adds.

Whatever they do, authorities should avoid flaunting their relationship with vaccine manufacturers, the paper recommends - a tall order, given that President Donald Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” vaccine development initiative is helmed by Moncef Slaoui, the former head of pharma giant GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccine division who had to quit the board of directors of Moderna - a frontrunner in the vaccine race - to take the job. Slaoui notoriously was forced to offload over $10 million in Moderna stock after its value briefly skyrocketed following the announcement of promising early trial results.

For the non-high-risk groups, the writers suggest authorities “encourage voluntary uptake…using means such as public education campaigns and free vaccination.” Health officials have been hard at work conducting focus groups on which variety of “influencers” might best convince the American people to embrace what would be the quickest vaccine rollout in history (the standard timetable for vaccine development and approval, complete with post-shot monitoring for side effects, is 10 years or more) and what kind of emotional tone the message should take.

A Yale University study conducted in July evaluated messaging strategies including guilt, economic benefit, trust in science, embarrassment, and community benefit to measure the effects on not only confidence in the vaccine itself but how willing the participants were to persuade others to take the shot – and how much they feared or looked down on those who had not received it. The results of that study have not been published.

The authors of the NEJM paper hail from Yale, Stanford University, and Indiana University, all institutions that have received funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. The foundation has poured billions of dollars into developing multiple Covid-19 vaccines, setting up seven facilities to manufacture the leading candidates. While the US, UK, and several other countries have already paid for hundreds of millions of doses of multiple jabs, no western pharmaceutical company has yet declared victory in the vaccine race – on the contrary, the clinical trials of frontrunners like AstraZeneca and Moderna have yielded a bumper crop of troubling side effects.

Fears about the rushed rollout of the vaccine coupled with both Republicans and Democrats’ determination to turn the jab into a political football have convinced a majority of Americans that they don’t want to be among the first to get vaccinated. A poll conducted earlier this month suggested less than half the country would take the shot, even if they were paid $100, and polling shows the portion of Americans willing to take it has declined steadily since May.
FPP
2020-10-03 04:18:06 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?

So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation? Isn't Fox News
good enough any more, Tovarish?

Now go ahead and pretend it was 'sarcasm'. You clowns will NEVER learn.
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-03 12:39:39 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?  Isn't Fox News
good enough any more, Tovarish?
Now go ahead and pretend it was 'sarcasm'.  You clowns will NEVER learn.
You lie down with sockpuppets you get up with fleas.
BTR1701
2020-10-04 04:09:23 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Ubiquitous
2020-10-04 08:36:18 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Hence the ad hominem.

Just one of FPP's many "tells" that has lost an argument.

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on in the last year of a presidency. But there is nothing in the
Constitution - or our history - to support this view.".
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FPP
2020-10-04 09:43:47 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905. You're only one
hundred and fifteen years late, loyer.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 13:53:28 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.  You're only one
hundred and fifteen years late, loyer.
Sometimes the Libertarianism eats through his brain like a boring beetle.
BTR1701
2020-10-04 14:44:17 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
FPP
2020-10-04 14:47:04 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
Nope. NOBODY will be forced to get any vaccine, Captain Clowndick.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
BTR1701
2020-10-04 14:53:56 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
Nope. NOBODY will be forced to get any vaccine, Captain Clowndick.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
FPP
2020-10-04 15:04:06 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
Nope. NOBODY will be forced to get any vaccine, Captain Clowndick.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
ED: "Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an
untried and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them
via their employers."

That's NOT true. Nobody will be 'forced to submit' to any vaccine. You
have a choice.
And RT is Putin's Propaganda rag. Everything is slanted. Here's the
propaganda part:

"Whatever they do, authorities should avoid flaunting their relationship
with vaccine manufacturers, the paper recommends - a tall order, given
that President Donald Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed” vaccine development
initiative is helmed by Moncef Slaoui, the former head of pharma giant
GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccine division who had to quit the board of
directors of Moderna - a frontrunner in the vaccine race - to take the
job. Slaoui notoriously was forced to offload over $10 million in
Moderna stock after its value briefly skyrocketed following the
announcement of promising early trial results."

"...on the contrary, the clinical trials of front runners like
AstraZeneca and Moderna have yielded a bumper crop of troubling side
effects."

What 'bumper crop of troubling side effects'? That's fucking PROPAGANDA!
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 15:42:53 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
Nope. NOBODY will be forced to get any vaccine, Captain Clowndick.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda
Where did "communist" come from, liar?
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 14:49:01 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed of spreading communist propaganda and aiding
a foreign adversary when in reality the article was reporting factual
information backstopped by a non-Russian respected medical source.
Exactly.

And the link to the original article is posted in this thread, to
confirm it.
trotsky
2020-10-04 15:37:23 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
Like the Supreme Court has ruled allowable since 1905.
Not the point. You accused Ed
Excellent sockpuppetry!
trotsky
2020-10-04 13:47:16 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today",
Putin's Propaganda Outlet in America, right, comrade?
The article includes a link to the New England Journal of Medicine paper
that outlines the forced vaccination plan.
So we're to assume your sockpuppet knew that then?
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-03 14:25:53 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
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Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
FPP
2020-10-03 14:56:14 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed. It's propaganda from a foreign adversary. An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.

That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't smart
enough to know what they are.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
FPP
2020-10-03 15:08:08 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't smart
enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.

"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should incur
a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and dangerousness
of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be justified,
including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for persons in
designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination

Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges on
procedural due-process grounds."

They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.

But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get to
act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be destroyed.

Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools. Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect him
to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Capricorne
2020-10-03 16:28:52 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't smart
enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than they
could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should incur a
penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and dangerousness of the
virus, relatively substantive penalties could be justified, including
employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for persons in designated
high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges on
procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you want.
Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either. (This
would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get to act
irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do whatever
you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public schools. Don't
want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect him to mingle with, and
infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get
bitten by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies
vaccine.
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suzeeq
2020-10-03 17:17:42 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed. It's propaganda from a foreign adversary. An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools. Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
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2020-10-03 18:32:31 UTC
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Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine?  Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.)  You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want.  We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools.  Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine.  Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get
bitten by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies
vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
If you didn't get the rabies shot, you'd be mad...
EGK
2020-10-03 18:40:42 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed. It's propaganda from a foreign adversary. An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools. Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Too many people hear "vaccine" and think it's synonymous with cure. They
don't realize that flu shots are only between 40-60% effective for the
average person.

The reason they're pushing the flu shot so much this year is because of
Covid. If enough people get a flu shot, it keeps more people out of the
hospitals and ERs with the flu so health care systems aren't under strain.

I never got them when I was young but I rarely went to the Dr unless
something was wrong. Now I'm getting older and see a Dr twice a year so I
tend to get the flu shot. I went in Sept and also asked my Dr if he had
any of those Russian Covid shots in the back room somewhere. :D
suzeeq
2020-10-03 19:59:56 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed. It's propaganda from a foreign adversary. An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools. Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Too many people hear "vaccine" and think it's synonymous with cure. They
don't realize that flu shots are only between 40-60% effective for the
average person.
The reason they're pushing the flu shot so much this year is because of
Covid. If enough people get a flu shot, it keeps more people out of the
hospitals and ERs with the flu so health care systems aren't under strain.
I never got them when I was young but I rarely went to the Dr unless
something was wrong. Now I'm getting older and see a Dr twice a year so I
tend to get the flu shot. I went in Sept and also asked my Dr if he had
any of those Russian Covid shots in the back room somewhere. :D
I'm possibly older than you and I only go see the Doc once a year.
FPP
2020-10-03 22:37:24 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed. It's propaganda from a foreign adversary. An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.) You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want. We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools. Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine. Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Too many people hear "vaccine" and think it's synonymous with cure. They
don't realize that flu shots are only between 40-60% effective for the
average person.
The reason they're pushing the flu shot so much this year is because of
Covid. If enough people get a flu shot, it keeps more people out of the
hospitals and ERs with the flu so health care systems aren't under strain.
I never got them when I was young but I rarely went to the Dr unless
something was wrong. Now I'm getting older and see a Dr twice a year so I
tend to get the flu shot. I went in Sept and also asked my Dr if he had
any of those Russian Covid shots in the back room somewhere. :D
I got the flu bad one year... spent 3 days sweating through the mattress
with fever, and then another week where I could barely function and
another 2 weeks where I felt like a limp dishrag.

Once you get it bad, like that, the flu shot is a small price to pay to
avoid it.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-03 19:43:31 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
moviePig
2020-10-03 21:31:02 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...

It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
FPP
2020-10-03 22:41:20 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
We're not anywhere near there, yet, despite what Ed WANTS to be true.

For once, I wish he was right...
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 01:02:55 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
We're not anywhere near there, yet, despite what Ed WANTS to be true.
Where are the deaths and hospitalizations?

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And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has
admitted are only barely effective and only for 15mins at that.
FPP
2020-10-04 13:37:29 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
We're not anywhere near there, yet, despite what Ed WANTS to be true.
Where are the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has
admitted are only barely effective and only for 15mins at that.
Everywhere, Ed. Everywhere. Pretty pictures prove nothing.

And you're lying about the face masks... or you're listening to idiots.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 21:27:45 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Where are the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
Everywhere, Ed. Everywhere.
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And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers,
which the CDC has admitted are only barely effective
and only for 15mins at that.
And you're lying about the face masks... or you're
listening to idiots.
The CDC are idiots?
FPP
2020-10-04 21:47:37 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Where are the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
Everywhere, Ed. Everywhere.
https://i.postimg.cc/TYcpr8fv/corona-testing-01.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mg2hjdgz/corona-testing-02.jpg
Post by FPP
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers,
which the CDC has admitted are only barely effective
and only for 15mins at that.
And you're lying about the face masks... or you're
listening to idiots.
The CDC are idiots?
The ones lying to please the president sure are. In science, you never
get your credibility back after lying to the public.

Do you go back to a surgeon who removes the wrong thing?
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 22:13:18 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Where are the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
Everywhere, Ed.  Everywhere.
https://i.postimg.cc/TYcpr8fv/corona-testing-01.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mg2hjdgz/corona-testing-02.jpg
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers,
which the CDC has admitted are only barely effective
and only for 15mins at that.
And you're lying about the face masks... or you're
listening to idiots.
The CDC are idiots?
The ones lying to please the president sure are.  In science, you never
get your credibility back after lying to the public.
Do you go back to a surgeon who removes the wrong thing?
I know I'm never going back to the doctor who performed my foreskin
appendectomy.



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BTR1701
2020-10-04 04:09:23 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
FPP
2020-10-04 09:45:36 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get
there.
Brilliant!

You and yours first, counselor.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 12:34:15 UTC
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FPP
BTR1701
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get there.
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?

https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg

And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has admitted
are only marginally effective and only for 15mins at best.
FPP
2020-10-04 13:37:49 UTC
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FPP
BTR1701
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get there.
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has admitted
are only marginally effective and only for 15mins at best.
Everywhere, Ed.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
moviePig
2020-10-04 13:38:34 UTC
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FPP
BTR1701
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get there.
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has admitted
are only marginally effective and only for 15mins at best.
Well, there have been advances in treatment. Google "Trump"...
FPP
2020-10-04 14:08:40 UTC
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FPP
BTR1701
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get there.
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
https://i.postimg.cc/HLQmprP9/Casedemic.jpg
And no, its not due to people wearing face diapers, which the CDC has admitted
are only marginally effective and only for 15mins at best.
Well, there have been advances in treatment.  Google "Trump"...
Ed simply refuses to believe Covid is killing a lot of people. We're
still averaging around 900 deaths every day in the US.

Oct. 3: 48,925 new cases and 755 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 2: 52,125 new cases and 862 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 1: 47,490 new cases and 920 new deaths in the United States

Sept. 30: 40,955 new cases and 955 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 29: 44,265 new cases and 977 new deaths in the United States

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Give it a couple or three of weeks, so the deaths can start piling up
from this month's Trump rallies. That guy is a one man pandemic.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 21:37:00 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
Ed simply refuses to believe Covid is killing a lot of people.
We're still averaging around 900 deaths every day in the US.
Oct. 3: 48,925 new cases and 755 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 2: 52,125 new cases and 862 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 1: 47,490 new cases and 920 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 30: 40,955 new cases and 955 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 29: 44,265 new cases and 977 new deaths in the United States
Out of 330 MILLION people and how many of those deaths were 90 year
old grannies with emphysema?
FPP
2020-10-04 22:03:02 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
Ed simply refuses to believe Covid is killing a lot of people.
We're still averaging around 900 deaths every day in the US.
Oct. 3: 48,925 new cases and 755 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 2: 52,125 new cases and 862 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 1: 47,490 new cases and 920 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 30: 40,955 new cases and 955 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 29: 44,265 new cases and 977 new deaths in the United States
Out of 330 MILLION people and how many of those deaths were 90 year
old grannies with emphysema?
I've heard around 30% are under 70. That means only around 64,000
deaths under that.
Only 64,000... and that's WITH using masks, and WITH half of everything
shut down.

The question you SHOULD be asking is how many would die if we were
living normally.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
FPP
2020-10-04 22:18:18 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
Ed simply refuses to believe Covid is killing a lot of people.
We're still averaging around 900 deaths every day in the US.
Oct. 3: 48,925 new cases and 755 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 2: 52,125 new cases and 862 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 1: 47,490 new cases and 920 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 30: 40,955 new cases and 955 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 29: 44,265 new cases and 977 new deaths in the United States
Out of 330 MILLION people and how many of those deaths were 90 year
old grannies with emphysema?
I've heard around 30% are under 70.  That means only around 64,000
deaths under that.
Only 64,000... and that's WITH using masks, and WITH half of everything
shut down.
The question you SHOULD be asking is how many would die if we were
living normally.
And, in case you're not sure of that answer... take a look at what
happened when Trump and his buddies pretended everything was 'normal'.

Lord Trump
Lady Trump
Tillis
Lee
Christie
Conway (Conway's daughter, now)
His bodyman.
Johnson
Hicks
Romney-McDaniel
Jenkins
Stepien

Melania is 50.
Romney McDaniel is 47.
Jenkins is 45.
Lee is 49.
Tillis is 60.
Conway is 53.
Stepien is 42, and not a granny.
Hicks is 31, for fuck's sake.

It looks like there may be life-long problems as a result of this virus.
We won't know until they start dying... and how much of their life was
cut off from their exposure.

You feel good about taking those chances, do you, Ed? Until last week,
so did Trump.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
moviePig
2020-10-04 22:13:36 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Again; where are all the deaths and hospitalizations?
Ed simply refuses to believe Covid is killing a lot of people.
We're still averaging around 900 deaths every day in the US.
Oct. 3: 48,925 new cases and 755 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 2: 52,125 new cases and 862 new deaths in the United States
Oct. 1: 47,490 new cases and 920 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 30: 40,955 new cases and 955 new deaths in the United States
Sept. 29: 44,265 new cases and 977 new deaths in the United States
Out of 330 MILLION people and how many of those deaths were 90 year
old grannies with emphysema?
If you mean they were already at death's door, that seems both
presumptuous and quite probably off by a few years.
BTR1701
2020-10-04 14:44:17 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get
there.
Since you apparently weren't able to comprehend that article, it's point is
that T-cell immunity can lower that percentage dramatically.
FPP
2020-10-04 14:47:52 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get
there.
Since you apparently weren't able to comprehend that article, it's point is
that T-cell immunity can lower that percentage dramatically.
No scientific proof, as yet. In science 'can' isn't proof of concept.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
FPP
2020-10-04 14:55:02 UTC
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Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe.  It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get
there.
Since you apparently weren't able to comprehend that article, it's point is
that T-cell immunity can lower that percentage dramatically.
No scientific proof, as yet.  In science 'can' isn't proof of concept.
"The research, published in Science, may explain why some people have
milder COVID-19 cases than others—though the researchers emphasized that
this is speculation and much more data is needed. While this might lay
down a foundation for future work in the area, Sette acknowledges it
still needs to be proven."

And Thanny thinks it's *I* that couldn't comprehend the article. Heh.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 15:38:09 UTC
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Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
https://www.contagionlive.com/news/emerging-data-support-lasting-covid19-immunity-t-cells
At the 70% figure, more than a million of us will be dead before we get
there.
Since you apparently weren't able to comprehend that article, it's point is
that T-cell immunity can lower that percentage dramatically.
Do T cells have anything to do with T Mobile?
trotsky
2020-10-04 13:46:37 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Studies say we might have between 5-10%, maybe. It takes 70% to reach
herd immunity.
What about the "herd mentality" the soon to be dead Trump told us about?
FPP
2020-10-03 22:42:28 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most of
us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying now
- does it even matter?
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
moviePig
2020-10-04 14:21:55 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying now
- does it even matter?
Is this new data? A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
FPP
2020-10-04 14:32:22 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88234

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-reinfection-case-confirmed-us.html

I haven't heard much lately, so this may, or may not, have been a
one-off. But if it's possible Covid will become more like the seasonal flu.

You may have to get multiple injections a year. Small price to pay for
being able to have your life back. It wasn't much, but I miss it.

I retired in February of this year. I haven't even bothered to roll
over my 401K into an IRA because I haven't needed a dime over what my SS
is paying. And I really WANT to start squandering it.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 14:34:34 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88234
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-reinfection-case-confirmed-us.html
I haven't heard much lately, so this may, or may not, have been a
one-off.  But if it's possible Covid will become more like the seasonal
flu.
You may have to get multiple injections a year.  Small price to pay for
being able to have your life back.  It wasn't much, but I miss it.
I retired in February of this year.  I haven't even bothered to roll
over my 401K into an IRA because I haven't needed a dime over what my SS
is paying.  And I really WANT to start squandering it.
Squander some on faster internet service. Then you will be able to
chatter faster than you already do.
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 14:32:45 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will need
a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.






Tis the Season
October 2019 - October 2020
moviePig
2020-10-04 15:11:13 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will need
a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.
Is the flu-vaccine primarily to re-invigorate immunity? I've always
assumed it was to cover new strains...
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 15:23:43 UTC
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I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will
need a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.
Is the flu-vaccine primarily to re-invigorate immunity?  I've always
assumed it was to cover new strains...
Covid mutates like the common flu strain, there are already documented
variants of the virus.

If Trump was infused with convalescent plasma in November 2019, the
inoculation would have worn off by September 2020.

Should have got the booster shot ...
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 16:10:16 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.
Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're
saying now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that
re-infections were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will
need a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.
Is the flu-vaccine primarily to re-invigorate immunity?  I've always
assumed it was to cover new strains...
Covid mutates like the common flu strain, there are already documented
variants of the virus.
If Trump was infused with convalescent plasma in November 2019, the
inoculation would have worn off by September 2020.
Should have got the booster shot ...
Just for the record:





In November 2019, Mr. Trump made an unannounced visit to Walter Reed for
what White House officials later said was “regular, primary preventive
care” — even though the president had undergone his annual physical
examination just nine months earlier.

Early on Friday, White House officials indicated the president would
convalesce at the White House. By day’s end, he was in the (same) hospital.

In his memo on Friday after Mr. Trump received his experimental
treatment, Dr. Conley said Mr. Trump had “completed the infusion without
incident”

There are now two therapeutics that have emergency approval from the
Food and Drug Administration for treating Covid-19: the drug remdesivir,
which is given intravenously, and convalescent plasma, a therapy that
uses blood from people who have recovered to induce an immune response.




74 and Overweight, Trump Faces Extra Risks From ‘a Very Sneaky Virus’
Sheryl Gay Stolberg Oct. 2, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-risks.html









TAGS: convalescent plasma, there ain't enough to go around, and,
November 2019 transfusion would contradict official covid narrative, oh
shit!, they're, lying to us, again, 4IR, 5G, iot, ai, US hegemony
thinbluemime2
2020-10-04 16:35:19 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.
Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're
saying now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that
re-infections were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will
need a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.
Is the flu-vaccine primarily to re-invigorate immunity?  I've always
assumed it was to cover new strains...
Covid mutates like the common flu strain, there are already documented
variants of the virus.
If Trump was infused with convalescent plasma in November 2019, the
inoculation would have worn off by September 2020.
Should have got the booster shot ...
In November 2019, Mr. Trump made an unannounced visit to Walter Reed for
what White House officials later said was “regular, primary preventive
care” — even though the president had undergone his annual physical
examination just nine months earlier.
Early on Friday, White House officials indicated the president would
convalesce at the White House. By day’s end, he was in the (same) hospital.
In his memo on Friday after Mr. Trump received his experimental
treatment, Dr. Conley said Mr. Trump had “completed the infusion without
incident”
A remdesivir dosage (8 grams, .3 ounces) weighs less than an aspirin
(.325).

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1312124050638995456

Convalescent plasma is transfused from a blood bag.

Do the math ...
Post by thinbluemime2
There are now two therapeutics that have emergency approval from the
Food and Drug Administration for treating Covid-19: the drug remdesivir,
which is given intravenously, and convalescent plasma, a therapy that
uses blood from people who have recovered to induce an immune response.
74 and Overweight, Trump Faces Extra Risks From ‘a Very Sneaky Virus’
Sheryl Gay Stolberg Oct. 2, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/02/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-risks.html
TAGS: they're, lying to us, again, 4IR, 5G, iot, ai, US hegemony, a Very Sneaky Virus
FPP
2020-10-04 21:31:36 UTC
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suzeeq
Capricorne
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get bitten
by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid
or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
Same here, I’ve never gotten a flu shot and haven’t been to a doctor
in years and it seems to me the proper way to go about this, would be
to test people and those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which
would be most of us by now) would be free to go about their lives as
normal while those who test negative, should either get the shot or
be laid-off and forced to self-quarantine.
 > ...those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be
most of us by now)...
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to.  Do you?
Well, if you can get it more than once, which is what they're saying
now - does it even matter?
Is this new data?  A short while ago I was hearing that re-infections
were suspected relapses...
Like the common seasonal flu, about 12 months immunity. Maybe will
need a seasonal covid-19 vaccine like the common seasonal flu.
Is the flu-vaccine primarily to re-invigorate immunity?  I've always
assumed it was to cover new strains...
It's for new strains. That's why it's a 'seasonal vaccine'. It changes
every season.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 00:45:15 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Yes, the fact that despite the number of new cases climbing as more testing
is done, hospitalizations and deaths from covid have dropped to a trickle.

Those who were most susceptible to covid have already been hospitalized
or died back in spring during the breakout and after 7+ months of this, (and
most likely longer, as its believed covid was in Michigan way back at the end
of November 2019) most of the rest of us are asymptomatic.

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The above is from the Michigan state government website and it ought to
be noted that they refuse to provide data on covid deaths by date, only
providing cumulative numbers.
moviePig
2020-10-04 02:35:31 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Yes, the fact that despite the number of new cases climbing as more testing
is done, hospitalizations and deaths from covid have dropped to a trickle.
Those who were most susceptible to covid have already been hospitalized
or died back in spring during the breakout and after 7+ months of this, (and
most likely longer, as its believed covid was in Michigan way back at the end
of November 2019) most of the rest of us are asymptomatic.
https://i.postimg.cc/Ghp23jR3/Covid-Cases-By-Date.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZFv9r5T/Covid-Deaths-Cumulative.png
The above is from the Michigan state government website and it ought to
be noted that they refuse to provide data on covid deaths by date, only
providing cumulative numbers.
D.C.'s recent and ongoing wildfire of positives would seem to be rather
prominent, even if only anecdotal, evidence of low herd immunity.
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 12:24:55 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
Those who were most susceptible to covid have already been hospitalized
or died back in spring during the breakout and after 7+ months of this, (and
most likely longer, as its believed covid was in Michigan way back at the end
of November 2019) most of the rest of us are asymptomatic.
https://i.postimg.cc/Ghp23jR3/Covid-Cases-By-Date.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZFv9r5T/Covid-Deaths-Cumulative.png
D.C.'s recent and ongoing wildfire of positives would seem to be rather
prominent, even if only anecdotal, evidence of low herd immunity.
“Cases!” or “breakouts!” mean nothing, its just more testing turning up
more people who have had covid for months now and have suffered no
illness.

The ONLY statistic that matters is deaths and hospitalizations from covid
and those have been essentially flat since late spring, despite Americans
going back to work, the grocery store, bars, gas stations, etc.

Which is why Michigan’s governor (along with the Dems and MSM in general)
refuses to provide the data broken down by date, as even the Average Joe
would see that there is no longer a pandemic going on and the media fear
mongering over “cases!” is purely political.
The Horny Goat
2020-10-04 18:31:09 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
those who have covid and are asymptomatic, (which would be most
of us by now)
It's nice to think that might be true, but I have no reason to. Do you?
Yes, the fact that despite the number of new cases climbing as more testing
is done, hospitalizations and deaths from covid have dropped to a trickle.
Those who were most susceptible to covid have already been hospitalized
or died back in spring during the breakout and after 7+ months of this, (and
most likely longer, as its believed covid was in Michigan way back at the end
of November 2019) most of the rest of us are asymptomatic.
https://i.postimg.cc/Ghp23jR3/Covid-Cases-By-Date.png
https://i.postimg.cc/DZFv9r5T/Covid-Deaths-Cumulative.png
The above is from the Michigan state government website and it ought to
be noted that they refuse to provide data on covid deaths by date, only
providing cumulative numbers.
Interesting - the counterpart for British Columbia Canada (where I
live) is put out by the BC Center for Disease Control

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded

and gives cumulative numbers (on the sidebars) but the graphs are day
by day going back to February. They also have tabs for both the entire
province and individual health regions within the province. (With a
map detailing where the 6 health regions are)
FPP
2020-10-03 22:35:09 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
Post by FPP
Published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Thursday
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
If you believe it, you're a 'willing idiot'.
That's the technical term for communist sympathizers that aren't
smart enough to know what they are.
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
"In addition, state mandates should not be structured as compulsory
vaccination (absolute requirements); instead, noncompliance should
incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the infectiousness and
dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive penalties could be
justified, including employment suspension or stay-at-home orders for
persons in designated high-priority groups who refuse vaccination
Neither fines nor criminal penalties should be used, however; fines
disadvantage the poor, and criminal penalties invite legal challenges
on procedural due-process grounds."
They're just not going to allow you to go out and infect whomever you
want. Don't want the vaccine?  Fine... don't take it.
But don't think you can go around spreading it as you like, either.
(This would need to be passed into law by the states.)  You don't get
to act irresponsibly when people can die, and the economy can be
destroyed.
Other people count too... you don't want a vaccine, stay home and do
whatever you want.  We already do this with vaccinations and public
schools.  Don't want your kid vaccinated... fine.  Just don't expect
him to mingle with, and infect MY kid.
I find these anti-vaccination people hypocritical. They would get
bitten by an animal who has rabies, they would run to get the rabies
vaccine.
For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've never
had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and seldom
get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I just have
a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting a covid or
flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got bit.
If you get the flu, you have a pretty good shot at surviving it. If you
get Covid, the chances rise that you can be affected FOR LIFE.

They're just scratching the surface of the damage this virus does to the
vascular system.

I wouldn't get an early vaccine, especially one peddled by that
snake-oil salesman of a president - but I WILL get it going forward.
This disease isn't going away any time soon, and it could be a decade
before we reach herd immunity - if ever.

You want to live like this forever? What's the downside? NOT getting sick?
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 15:51:34 UTC
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For the most part I believe in a limited number of vaccines. I've
never had a flu shot in the 45 years it's been commonly available and
seldom get the flu, or it only lasts 3 days or so. Same with colds, I
just have a very functioning immune system. So no, I won't be getting
a covid or flu shot this year, but I would get a rabies shot if I got
bit.
If you get the flu, you have a pretty good shot at surviving it.  If you
get Covid, the chances rise that you can be affected FOR LIFE.
They're just scratching the surface of the damage this virus does to the
vascular system.
I wouldn't get an early vaccine, especially one peddled by that
snake-oil salesman of a president - but I WILL get it going forward.
This disease isn't going away any time soon, and it could be a decade
before we reach herd immunity - if ever.
It will be a slight variation with Repuglicons: they will act like
they've never heard of immnuity.
The Horny Goat
2020-10-04 18:25:55 UTC
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If you get the flu, you have a pretty good shot at surviving it. If you
get Covid, the chances rise that you can be affected FOR LIFE.
They're just scratching the surface of the damage this virus does to the
vascular system.
I wouldn't get an early vaccine, especially one peddled by that
snake-oil salesman of a president - but I WILL get it going forward.
This disease isn't going away any time soon, and it could be a decade
before we reach herd immunity - if ever.
You want to live like this forever? What's the downside? NOT getting sick?
That's a fairly reasonable position. I'm not about to inoculate myself
with Drano either but when the time comes when scientific authorities
say (e.g. not 2am paid TV broadcasters) advocate something credible
you bet I'll be there.

I have no opinion on 'herd immunity' though no question the measures
taken so far have drastically hurt the economy. Most of the protection
stuff is fairly basic most of all washing, mantaining one's distance
outside one's family and avoiding the really really idiotic stuff.

When I heard about the 250,000 person Sturgis motorcycle rally going
ahead I immediately thought of Otto von Bismarck's line of 150 years
ago: "There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children
and the United States of America."

(Personal note: I was pants shopping last week and was approaching the
cashier when I unexpectedly saw somebody seated about 3' away from me
out of the corner of my eye off to one side so I quickly moved 5' in
the other direction. Then felt completely stupid as I looked over my
shoulder and realized I had just social distanced a mannequin.....)
thinbluemime2
2020-10-03 15:08:58 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
FPP: Blinded by Science



The New England Journal of Medicine
Ensuring Uptake of Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2020926

List of authors.
Michelle M. Mello, J.D., Ph.D.,
Ross D. Silverman, J.D., M.P.H., and
Saad B. Omer, M.B., B.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.


https://law.stanford.edu/directory/michelle-m-mello/

https://fsph.iupui.edu/about/directory/silverman-ross.html

https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/saad_omer/








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thinbluemime2
2020-10-03 15:14:12 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
So, why are you HELPING the Russkies sow disinformation?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.  It's propaganda from a foreign adversary.  An enemy.
The New England Journal of Medicine
Ensuring Uptake of Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2020926
List of authors.
Michelle M. Mello, J.D., Ph.D.,
Ross D. Silverman, J.D., M.P.H., and
Saad B. Omer, M.B., B.S., M.P.H., Ph.D.
As Covid-19 continues to exact a heavy toll, development of a vaccine
appears the most promising means of restoring normalcy to civil life.
Perhaps no scientific breakthrough is more eagerly anticipated. But
bringing a vaccine to market is only half the challenge; also critical
is ensuring a high enough vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity.
Concerningly, a recent poll found that only 49% of Americans planned to
get vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2.1

One option for increasing vaccine uptake is to require it. Mandatory
vaccination has proven effective in ensuring high childhood immunization
rates in many high-income countries. However, except for influenza
vaccination of health care workers, mandates have not been widely used
for adults.

Although a vaccine remains months to years away, developing a policy
strategy to ensure uptake takes time. We offer a framework that states
can apply now to help ensure uptake of the vaccine when it becomes
available — including consideration of when a mandate might become
appropriate.
FPP
2020-10-03 15:09:43 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-03 19:35:39 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?

Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.

I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
thinbluemime2
2020-10-03 19:59:14 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
In fairness to the esteemed authors of the original article linked in
this thread, one of their six recommendations is compensation for any
ill-effects of the vaccine mandated by state governments.

Course, your great grand children will be dead from old-age before the
award from the state is received. It's like when FEMA said the 9/11 air
with the deadly-dust was safe to breath, and 20 years later some 1st
responders still haven't been compensated fully.





TAGS: vaccine, anthrax, military, be skeptical, trust but verify, we
will never forget

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/how-lawmakers-protected-and-failed-9-11-first-responders.html
FPP
2020-10-03 22:54:41 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
We survived 6 weeks living with a Covid patient - and we didn't get it,
despite the close proximity, and our advanced age (65 and 66) and more
than a few co-morbidities. Freaking N-95 masks work.

Corporatist? Realist is more like it.

You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.

When just your breathing is dangerous to the health of others... there
has to be standards. They don't even let you become a citizen unless
you're immunized.
Post by Ed Stasiak
Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B
Hepatitis B
Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 01:24:40 UTC
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FPP
We survived 6 weeks living with a Covid patient
Didn’t believe you then, don’t believe you now.

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https://virutron.com/do-wear-masks-but-dont-think-youre-safe-top-soviet-virologist/

Virologist Dmitry Lvov, who made his name on researching the most dangerous
viruses in the former USSR and beyond, explained why this is the case during
a sit-down with journalist Anton Krasovsky for RTD’s ‘Epidemic’ series.

‘Quarantine makes some sense, but wearing mass-market medical masks do not’

With no coronavirus vaccine in existence, quarantine has become the major
tool to contain its spread. Whereas China has put entire cities on lockdown,
other countries quarantined travelers who returned or were evacuated from
the virus hit region.

“In case of coronavirus, it makes some sense,” Lvov commented, before
taking on other protective measures, namely the mass-market medical
masks.

“These cheesecloth rags called ‘masks’ are not masks, they’re useless,” he
stated. However, dense masks equipped with respirators which are seen in
China and Russia, are “a different thing.” Such masks “protect against [the
virus], they protect the others if you’re sick” – but they are almost useless
against the inbound threat.

Asked again if medical masks are an efficient protective measure, the scientist
reiterated: “Usually not. Or to the least extent.”

The virus can easily make it into the human body through eyes, so the major
feature of the sought-after mask is to ensure that “your large drops [of saliva]
and your snot, excuse me, will stay with you.”
FPP
2020-10-04 13:39:48 UTC
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FPP
We survived 6 weeks living with a Covid patient
Didn’t believe you then, don’t believe you now.
https://i.postimg.cc/BvXjnBGf/What-virologists-wear.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3rgdNwzN/face-diaper.jpg
https://virutron.com/do-wear-masks-but-dont-think-youre-safe-top-soviet-virologist/
Virologist Dmitry Lvov, who made his name on researching the most dangerous
viruses in the former USSR and beyond, explained why this is the case during
a sit-down with journalist Anton Krasovsky for RTD’s ‘Epidemic’ series.
‘Quarantine makes some sense, but wearing mass-market medical masks do not’
With no coronavirus vaccine in existence, quarantine has become the major
tool to contain its spread. Whereas China has put entire cities on lockdown,
other countries quarantined travelers who returned or were evacuated from
the virus hit region.
“In case of coronavirus, it makes some sense,” Lvov commented, before
taking on other protective measures, namely the mass-market medical
masks.
“These cheesecloth rags called ‘masks’ are not masks, they’re useless,” he
stated. However, dense masks equipped with respirators which are seen in
China and Russia, are “a different thing.” Such masks “protect against [the
virus], they protect the others if you’re sick” – but they are almost useless
against the inbound threat.
Asked again if medical masks are an efficient protective measure, the scientist
reiterated: “Usually not. Or to the least extent.”
The virus can easily make it into the human body through eyes, so the major
feature of the sought-after mask is to ensure that “your large drops [of saliva]
and your snot, excuse me, will stay with you.”
That's from fucking MARCH, Ed. You don't think we've learned anything
since March?
Jesus, but you're thick.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 21:29:25 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Asked again if medical masks are an efficient protective measure,
the scientist reiterated: “Usually not. Or to the least extent.”
That's from fucking MARCH, Ed.
Oh, has face diaper technology massively improved since then?
FPP
2020-10-04 22:03:27 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Asked again if medical masks are an efficient protective measure,
the scientist reiterated: “Usually not. Or to the least extent.”
That's from fucking MARCH, Ed.
Oh, has face diaper technology massively improved since then?
The assessment of them sure has.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
moviePig
2020-10-04 22:15:34 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Asked again if medical masks are an efficient protective measure,
the scientist reiterated: “Usually not. Or to the least extent.”
That's from fucking MARCH, Ed.
Oh, has face diaper technology massively improved since then?
I don't know, but knowledge about the virus certainly has.
BTR1701
2020-10-04 04:09:23 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Corporatist? Realist is more like it.
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
That must be a police department with literally no nothing to do.

I can just imagine that call coming in...

"911, what is your emergency?"

"Yes, this is Jones Printing. We have an employee who disabled a press
guard."

"Umm... okay."

"Don't you know how serious this is? We need you to send a phalanx of cops
down here immediately to escort the manager as he marches the employee
out."

"You're serious?"

"Of course! It. Was. A. Press. Guard!"

<click>
FPP
2020-10-04 09:48:45 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Corporatist? Realist is more like it.
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
That must be a police department with literally no nothing to do.
I can just imagine that call coming in...
"911, what is your emergency?"
"Yes, this is Jones Printing. We have an employee who disabled a press
guard."
"Umm... okay."
"Don't you know how serious this is? We need you to send a phalanx of cops
down here immediately to escort the manager as he marches the employee
out."
"You're serious?"
"Of course! It. Was. A. Press. Guard!"
<click>
Yes, stupid... that's exactly what's happened, and more than once. I've
personally seen it done 4 times in 43 years.

In fact, our VP of Operations was escorted off premises by the local
police, when it was found he was working with an investment firm to put
us out of business. You do that to be sure they don't take anything of
value with them.

Jesus, I can NOT believe you EVER worked in Law Enforcement.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 13:57:12 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right?  What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Corporatist? Realist is more like it.
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
That must be a police department with literally no nothing to do.
I can just imagine that call coming in...
"911, what is your emergency?"
"Yes, this is Jones Printing. We have an employee who disabled a press
guard."
"Umm... okay."
"Don't you know how serious this is? We need you to send a phalanx of cops
down here immediately to escort the manager as he marches the employee
out."
"You're serious?"
"Of course! It. Was. A. Press. Guard!"
<click>
Yes, stupid... that's exactly what's happened, and more than once.  I've
personally seen it done 4 times in 43 years.
In fact, our VP of Operations was escorted off premises by the local
police, when it was found he was working with an investment firm to put
us out of business.  You do that to be sure they don't take anything of
value with them.
Jesus, I can NOT believe you EVER worked in Law Enforcement.
We have not proof that he did. It seems extremely unlikely he ever
graduated from any accredited law school either.
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 12:32:55 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Probably threatening to cut off any benefits (Social Security, welfare,
pension, etc.) they’re getting if they don’t obey and for those who have
independent sources of income, put a freeze on income tax returns as
was done with those who refused signing up for ObamaCare.
Post by FPP
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
That must be a police department with literally no nothing to do.
Employers will bring in the cops if they suspect a fired employee might
cause a shitstorm but this is pretty rare.

But disabling safety features or lock-outs on robots/automated systems
will get you at least written up the first time and fired if you do it again,
as it can get people injured or killed (robots are dumb like that).

We just had an incident in one of our sister facilities in Chicago where
someone disabled a shut-off switch on a cage gate surrounding a robot
and sure enough, got his fingers chopped up pretty bad because of it
and will probably get shitcanned once he heals up.
FPP
2020-10-04 13:52:39 UTC
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BTR1701
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Probably threatening to cut off any benefits (Social Security, welfare,
pension, etc.) they’re getting if they don’t obey and for those who have
independent sources of income, put a freeze on income tax returns as
was done with those who refused signing up for ObamaCare.
Post by FPP
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
That must be a police department with literally no nothing to do.
Employers will bring in the cops if they suspect a fired employee might
cause a shitstorm but this is pretty rare.
But disabling safety features or lock-outs on robots/automated systems
will get you at least written up the first time and fired if you do it again,
as it can get people injured or killed (robots are dumb like that).
We just had an incident in one of our sister facilities in Chicago where
someone disabled a shut-off switch on a cage gate surrounding a robot
and sure enough, got his fingers chopped up pretty bad because of it
and will probably get shitcanned once he heals up.
Anyone they think might be a problem gets an escort. One I remember was
a thief.
Another was known to threaten people.
A third was the VP who was taking sensitive account data in the hopes of
driving the company's price down so he (and an investment firm) could
buy it cheap.

I don't remember the fourth, but on a $12,000,000 press that can be
ruined by simply dropping an ordinary wrench into a moving unit - they
take it pretty seriously. If they even suspect you might be the type of
guy to do that, they have a cop on hand to take your swipe-card and
escort you off the premises.

We had a supervisor who used to come and unlock the door in the morning,
put his keys away, and go and get a cup of coffee and take it out to his
car, for his wife who had just dropped him off. One day, he forgot to
disable the alarm system.

By the time he brought the coffee to his wife, there was one cop
standing at her car, and another with his hand on his revolver. I'll
never forget the look on his face as he opened the door, holding a cup
of coffee in each hand and came face to face with a man with a gun.

We were packaging Star Wars toys (Empire) and VHS tapes at the time, and
the product was treated like gold.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
trotsky
2020-10-04 13:45:32 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
Post by FPP
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
I wonder what they've got in store to coerce people who don't work?
Why the fuck do you care?
Ubiquitous
2020-10-04 08:41:52 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
All of a sudden you’ve become a corporatist?
Suck my dick or lose your job,
Give me your fist born child or lose your job
Get this mysterious shot and suffer the possible debilitating side-effects
or lose your job.
I know, right? What’s the problem here?…
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
While annoying, wearing a mask at work (as I do all day long, despite the
CDC stating they’re only effective for 15mins…) won’t possibley cripple
you for life with who knows what kinda long term side-effects.
We survived 6 weeks living with a Covid patient - and we didn't get it,
despite the close proximity, and our advanced age (65 and 66) and more
than a few co-morbidities. Freaking N-95 masks work.
Yeah, sure you did, liar.
The things you will type for an "Internet win"...
Post by FPP
Corporatist? Realist is more like it.
You get caught not wearing PPE in a print shop, and you MAYBE get one
warning. That's IF they like you, and your an essential worker.
Disable a guard on a press, and they march you out with the cops as an
escort.
Weren't you fired from Kinko's for sniffing toner fluid in the break room?

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on in the last year of a presidency. But there is nothing in the
Constitution - or our history - to support this view.".
- Joe Biden 2016
The Horny Goat
2020-10-04 18:12:16 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job.
You don't think your employer requires you to follow their rules now?
In my old shop, you either wear a mask, or you walk.
A mask is something you can take off or not take off while not at
work.

That said there are occupations a vaccination should be mandatory. It
isn't 100% of the workforce though.

For myself I will probably be close to front of line but I don't
presume to speak for the population at large.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-04 18:31:51 UTC
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. . .
A mask is something you can take off or not take off while not at
work.
That said there are occupations a vaccination should be mandatory. It
isn't 100% of the workforce though.
In my state, teachers and school bus drivers and other occupations
working with children must have negative TB tests. School children must
be up-to-date on vaccinations.

We've had this stuff for years.
Post by The Horny Goat
For myself I will probably be close to front of line but I don't
presume to speak for the population at large.
Why? I'd rather learn of the side effects and effectiveness, then make
an informed choice. This isn't like getting a measles vaccine or
whooping cough that we've had decades of experience with, and I'd also
like to know if hideous thing mutates so that the previous vaccine has
become useless.
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-03 19:26:57 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Ed Stasiak
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.
Of course it is, it extensively quotes the New England Journal of Medicine
which is openly calling for Americans to get fired from their jobs if they
refuse to take the untried and suspect covid vaccination, just as I predicted
would happen.
Post by FPP
noncompliance should incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the
infectiousness and dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive
penalties could be justified, including employment suspension
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
Is English perhaps a second language for you?
Post by FPP
Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
Sure… and lose your job, your house and starve to death.
FPP
2020-10-03 22:46:34 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Ed Stasiak
Where is the “disinformation”?
It's NOT 'news', Ed.
Of course it is, it extensively quotes the New England Journal of Medicine
which is openly calling for Americans to get fired from their jobs if they
refuse to take the untried and suspect covid vaccination, just as I predicted
would happen.
Post by FPP
noncompliance should incur a penalty. Nevertheless, because of the
infectiousness and dangerousness of the virus, relatively substantive
penalties could be justified, including employment suspension
They're not going to FORCE you to get a Covid vaccine, any more than
they could force you to get a flu vaccine now.
Is English perhaps a second language for you?
Post by FPP
Don't want the vaccine? Fine... don't take it.
Sure… and lose your job, your house and starve to death.
This isn't new, Ed. You've always had to do what your employer wanted.
You've always had to vaccinate your kids for public school.

What's new here?

And, yeah... if you're a danger to those around you, somebody needs to
stop you. Nobody is entitled to infect others.
--
There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 01:07:02 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Sure… and lose your job, your house and starve to death.
This isn't new, Ed. You've always had to do what your employer wanted.
This isn’t our employers, (who in fact can’t require us to do anything
they want) its the government using our employers to force us to take
an untried and possibly deadly vaccine, under threat of losing our jobs
and ending up on the street.
Post by FPP
You've always had to vaccinate your kids for public school.
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs. Even YOU admit that you’ll
refuse to get the jab (unless Biden wins the election, then the vaccine
will be magically safe and effective and you'll be first in line, right?…)
moviePig
2020-10-04 02:45:21 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Sure… and lose your job, your house and starve to death.
This isn't new, Ed. You've always had to do what your employer wanted.
This isn’t our employers, (who in fact can’t require us to do anything
they want) its the government using our employers to force us to take
an untried and possibly deadly vaccine, under threat of losing our jobs
and ending up on the street.
Post by FPP
You've always had to vaccinate your kids for public school.
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs. Even YOU admit that you’ll
refuse to get the jab (unless Biden wins the election, then the vaccine
will be magically safe and effective and you'll be first in line, right?…)
Yes, new vaccines are a greater risk than old ones. But, iirc, no
vaccine is risk-free, whereas NOT getting this one poses a clear risk.
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 12:26:21 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs.
Yes, new vaccines are a greater risk than old ones. But, iirc, no
vaccine is risk-free, whereas NOT getting this one poses a clear risk.
Which is why this new covid vaccine (if/when it happens) should not be
forced on Americans under threat of losing their jobs.

If anything, it ought to be limited to those who test _negative_ as those
who already have covid and are asymptomatic are no longer in danger.
moviePig
2020-10-04 13:57:54 UTC
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moviePig
Ed Stasiak
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs.
Yes, new vaccines are a greater risk than old ones. But, iirc, no
vaccine is risk-free, whereas NOT getting this one poses a clear risk.
Which is why this new covid vaccine (if/when it happens) should not be
forced on Americans under threat of losing their jobs.
If anything, it ought to be limited to those who test _negative_ as those
who already have covid and are asymptomatic are no longer in danger.
When the vaccine is an option completely available to all, I suppose I
don't see overriding reasons why it shouldn't remain so.
FPP
2020-10-04 13:35:53 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Sure… and lose your job, your house and starve to death.
This isn't new, Ed. You've always had to do what your employer wanted.
This isn’t our employers, (who in fact can’t require us to do anything
they want) its the government using our employers to force us to take
an untried and possibly deadly vaccine, under threat of losing our jobs
and ending up on the street.
Post by FPP
You've always had to vaccinate your kids for public school.
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs. Even YOU admit that you’ll
refuse to get the jab (unless Biden wins the election, then the vaccine
will be magically safe and effective and you'll be first in line, right?…)
You still don't HAVE to get it, no matter what. You just can't do
whatever you want, just like it's always been.

And, no... I don't give a shit WHAT Biden says. I've already told
you... it's scientists that are trusted who have to give it a thumbs-up.
But, in general, if Biden says it's safe, he'll HAVE that kind of
science to back him up.

Trump, on the other hand, has already been caught pressuring his medical
people to do things they shouldn't be doing.

We KNOW Trump isn't to be trusted. Biden will have to prove it, too,
but we know better with Trump. He announced it would be ready by 'a
certain date'. Guess what date that was?
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ed Stasiak
2020-10-04 21:26:01 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs. Even YOU admit that you’ll
refuse to get the jab (unless Biden wins the election, then the vaccine
will be magically safe and effective and you'll be first in line, right?…)
You still don't HAVE to get it, no matter what. You just can't do
whatever you want, just like it's always been.
I know, right? Just refuse the jab and you’ll only lose your job,
what’s the big deal?….
FPP
2020-10-04 21:45:58 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
With tried and true vaccines, not something cooked up in a rush with
the general public acting as guinea pigs. Even YOU admit that you’ll
refuse to get the jab (unless Biden wins the election, then the vaccine
will be magically safe and effective and you'll be first in line, right?…)
You still don't HAVE to get it, no matter what. You just can't do
whatever you want, just like it's always been.
I know, right? Just refuse the jab and you’ll only lose your job,
what’s the big deal?….
That's your choice. Refuse to observe safety procedures and you lose
your job, too.
Refuse to do what your boss says, and you lose your job, too.
Refuse to stop smoking within 50 feet of the building, and you lose your
job, too.
Refuse to do just about anything, and you risk losing your job.

Look... in a shop where there are only 8 First Pressmen, losing 3 or 4
of them for a month can cripple the business. End of story.
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
Ubiquitous
2020-10-03 15:32:04 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today”
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
You know FPP has lost the debate when all he can muster is an ad hominem
attack, followed by a followup with two rapidfire followups to it.

#Triggered

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Constitution - or our history - to support this view.".
- Joe Biden 2016
The Horny Goat
2020-10-04 18:15:41 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today�
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
You know FPP has lost the debate when all he can muster is an ad hominem
attack, followed by a followup with two rapidfire followups to it.
#Triggered
Au contraire - if "Russia Today" is now an established source then so
is Al Jazheera or the China News Service.

These are qualitatively quite different from the BBC (UK), CBC
(Canada), PBS (USA) etc where their mandate is indeed to promote the
view of their sponsoring state.
Adam H. Kerman
2020-10-04 18:39:09 UTC
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Au contraire - if "Russia Today" is now an established source then so
is Al Jazheera or the China News Service.
These are qualitatively quite different from the BBC (UK), CBC
(Canada), PBS (USA) etc where their mandate is indeed to promote the
view of their sponsoring state.
Uh, BBC was established to promote the viewpoint of the elites in
British society. My view of CBC is forever coloured by SCTV, so I have
no idea.

PBS is in no way comparable to BBC nor CBC. Instead it's comparable to a
first-run syndication service.

Al Jazheera, while funded by the sultan, has large measures of
journalistic independence. The trouble is that too few of their
producers exercise proper journalistic control and their stories can
have plenty of bias.
FPP
2020-10-04 21:37:09 UTC
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FPP
Ed Stasiak
Take the jab or lose your job: Medical journal calls for a MANDATORY
Covid vaccine, says ‘noncompliance should incur a penalty’
Jesus Fucking Christ, Ed... you DO know that RT is "Russia Today�
Sure, and its a shame Americans have to get their news from Russia,
as American Mainstream Media is so blatantly biased that it can’t be
trusted.
You know FPP has lost the debate when all he can muster is an ad hominem
attack, followed by a followup with two rapidfire followups to it.
#Triggered
Au contraire - if "Russia Today" is now an established source then so
is Al Jazheera or the China News Service.
These are qualitatively quite different from the BBC (UK), CBC
(Canada), PBS (USA) etc where their mandate is indeed to promote the
view of their sponsoring state.
Idiots gonna be idiots. This comes from US Intel community:

"An unclassified version of a January US intelligence report points to
RT and Russian-backed website Sputnik as a key part of Russian
interference with the US election, arguing the outlet served "as a
platform for Kremlin messaging".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41991683

Article is entitled "Why has RT registered as a foreign agent with the US?"
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
moviePig
2020-10-03 15:07:20 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
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You seem to consider such measures an epitome of governmental overreach.
Can you think of circumstances where such strong "encouragements"
might be ethically warranted?
FPP
2020-10-03 15:11:14 UTC
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Post by Ed Stasiak
Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
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You seem to consider such measures an epitome of governmental overreach.
 Can you think of circumstances where such strong "encouragements"
might be ethically warranted?
We already DO this. From the CDC:

"State Vaccination Requirements
State and local vaccination requirements for daycare and school entry
are important tools for maintaining high vaccination coverage rates, and
in turn, lower rates of vaccine-preventable diseases (VPDs).

State laws establish vaccination requirements for school children. These
laws often apply not only to children attending public schools but also
to those attending private schools and day care facilities. All states
provide medical exemptions, and some state laws also offer exemptions
for religious and/or philosophical reasons. State laws also establish
mechanisms for enforcement of school vaccination requirements and
exemptions."
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
FPP
2020-10-03 15:19:17 UTC
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Just as I predicted, Americans will be forced to submit to an untried
and potentially dangerous covid vaccine by forcing it upon them via
their employers.
https://www.rt.com/usa/502270-vaccine-compliance-mandate-study/
1 Oct, 2020
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You seem to consider such measures an epitome of governmental overreach.
 Can you think of circumstances where such strong "encouragements"
might be ethically warranted?
SCOTUS gave the states the right to mandate vaccinations in... 1905. So
it's been legal for the last 115 years.

"Legal experts confirmed for the Verify team that the 1905 Supreme Court
decision, Jacobson V. Massachusetts, gives states the authority to not
only mandate vaccinations but also institute punishments like fines or
jail time."

This is not new. Or unusual.
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There's nothing more American than demanding to carry an AR-15 to
"protect yourself" but refusing to wear a mask to protect everyone else.

If you hired a guy to "Make My House Great Again", and he hired his
incompetent children, stole your money, gave it away to your richest
neighbors, let everyone get sick, killed your grandma, backed over your
mailbox, burned down your house and blamed it on your black friends next
door... would YOU hire him AGAIN?

REAL PRESIDENTS LEAD. REALITY TV PRESIDENTS DON'T.
Trump: "No, I don't take responsibility at all." - 3/13/20
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