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Ed Stasiak
2024-12-13 08:22:43 UTC
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Thursday December 12, 2024

The Mystery Drones Are Back—This Time Over New Jersey

Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.

The drones, which residents there have reported seeing over military installations, power lines and suburban neighborhoods, appear eerily similar to a fleet that swarmed sensitive national security sites on Virginia’s eastern shoreline one year ago.

Eyewitnesses in New Jersey describe the sightings as loud and numerous, much larger than those typically used by hobbyists, and appearing primarily at night. They have been spotted in eight counties across the state including near at least three military facilities.

The drone incidents over New Jersey are the latest in a series of bizarre episodes involving large, unmanned aircraft flying freely over American soil near sensitive sites that have baffled investigators.

Over two weeks last December, swarms of drones buzzed over Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia, forcing commanders there to remove sensitive aircraft. Officials from the Pentagon to the White House brainstormed responses, but never publicly identified who was flying them or what they were doing.

A Pentagon spokesperson attempted on Wednesday to bat down rumors that the New Jersey drones were being launched by a U.S. adversary but offered no visibility into their origin or purpose. The cryptic nature of the U.S. government’s response only seemed to fan theories about what might be behind the appearances.

The Pentagon said in a statement that it was monitoring the reports of unauthorized drone flights in the vicinity of Naval Weapons Station Earle and Picatinny Arsenal, an Army research center, in New Jersey.

A defense official said they have also appeared near Joint Base McGuire-Dix, about an hour from New York City. Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said the Defense Department has “no evidence” that the New Jersey drones are coming from “a foreign entity or the work of an adversary.”

The Federal Bureau of Investigation and state officials are investigating the recent sightings. “While we currently have no evidence or information to indicate these drones pose an imminent threat at this time, their presence appears nefarious in nature,” the police department in one of the affected towns, Florham Park, said in a statement.

Other state officials have said that local law enforcement have tracked the drones flying to and from the ocean, in a similar pattern to some of those that appeared over Langley last year.

At a New Jersey briefing on Wednesday, attended by at least 150 township mayors and the state police, officials reported that the Coast Guard has witnessed 50 such drones flying from the ocean to land and then back.

State police have been investigating the incidents for three weeks, with the first sighting on Nov. 18, said the mayor of Pequannock Township, Ryan Herd, who attended the meeting. The drones fly for six or seven hours at night, and don’t emit radio signals, so can’t be detected, Herd said.

These events, and the debate over which government agency has authority to handle them, point to what officials describe as a broader problem of the U.S.’s limited ability to respond to the growing threats posed by the proliferation of drones. Such incursions near military facilities, even if they don’t pose an imminent physical threat, raise concerns about potential spying on sensitive national security infrastructure. It is illegal to fly drones over military facilities without permission.

Last week, the Pentagon announced some limited measures to address the issue, saying U.S. Northern Command, in Colorado Springs, Colo., was given the authority to respond to domestic incidents over military bases in the U.S. Individual services, such as the Army, Navy or Air Force, are ultimately responsible for their own base security.

The drones in New Jersey have also appeared near critical civilian infrastructure such as reservoirs, electric transmission lines, rail stations and police departments, local police officials said.

Melissa Pedersen, 46, described the aircraft she observed hovering over her neighborhood in Chatham, N.J., as significantly louder and larger than a typical hobbyist drone. Intrigued, the following evening she followed one of the drones as it flew along the power lines, leading her through neighboring towns.

Incidents over facilities that aren’t military fall to a smattering of local law enforcement, the FBI and other security forces. How to deal with such incidents have been the subject of a long-running policy and legal argument on Capitol Hill. The White House, Pentagon and even sports entities such as the NFL have sought more authority from Congress, including the ability to use counterdrone technology to confront what they see as an emerging safety threat.

At a Homeland Security hearing about unmanned aircraft on Tuesday, FBI official Robert Wheeler Jr., who leads the bureau’s Critical Incident Response Group, said the activity in New Jersey was “concerning” and asked the committee to expand who can use antidrone technology.

“The use of counter unmanned aircraft systems to protect against these situations is crucial and can only be fully addressed by expanding the capability to include our state and local partners,” he said.

But air-safety officials have been leery of such technology’s potential harm to civilian aviation, according to current and former federal officials. The Federal Aviation Administration has urged caution in letting such technology proliferate across the U.S.

“It becomes a Wild, Wild West,” said Billy Nolen, who led the FAA as acting administrator between 2022 until 2023. “You start having people say, ‘Oh, someone has sold me some technology, I’ve got an event, and I’m going to suddenly go start shooting things down.’”

For instance, the FAA has in recent years received reports of Defense Department counterdrone technology interfering with radar and aircraft navigation systems, according to former senior FAA officials familiar with the matter. The agency has conducted testing on counterdrone technology to measure its effects on aircraft systems, according to former agency and industry officials.

Under current law, only a handful of federal agencies have authority to take down drones, which enjoy the same legal status as piloted aircraft. Everyone else, including businesses and state and local law-enforcement agencies, could be subject to prosecution for violating criminal laws against interfering with aircraft operations.

The Biden administration and some lawmakers are trying to close some of those gaps. The administration has pushed for legislation that would renew expiring authority for the Department of Homeland Security, including the Coast Guard, and Justice Department to take out drone threats near their facilities, either electronically by jamming the systems or kinetically by shooting them down. It would also extend that authority for the first time to the Central Intelligence Agency, FAA and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

Sen. Gary Peters (D., Mich.), who chairs the homeland security panel, has introduced similar bipartisan legislation that would also extend that authority to the Transportation Security Administration for the first time. The TSA is currently prohibited from taking out drone threats at airports and must call in federal or local law enforcement to deal with such incidents. Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D., N.Y.) and Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) are also pursuing an effort to give the Pentagon additional authority to protect against drones threatening bases in the United States.

If investigators are able to capture any of the drones, they might be able to extract more details about who is behind them. But for now, they are still hunting for clues.

At Tuesday’s hearing, Rep. Tony Gonzalez (R-Texas) asked the FBI’s Wheeler: “You’re telling me we don’t know what the hell these drones in New Jersey are?”

“That’s right,” Wheeler replied.

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BTR1701
2024-12-13 13:37:28 UTC
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Thursday December 12, 2024
The Mystery Drones Are Back—This Time Over New Jersey
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
danny burstein
2024-12-13 14:24:13 UTC
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Thursday December 12, 2024
The Mystery Drones Are Back—This Time Over New Jersey
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
Afraid I can't copy the post, but over on the twitter someone
posted the details of a Navy drone that's used for moving
supplies from ship to ship/shore [a] which looks pretty similar
to the unexplained [b] images.

It's got adjutable, swingable wings shich can be folded
up depending on mission, etc.

here's the Twitter link:
https://x.com/hamandcheese/status/1867443553280176534

[a] unclear to me whether these are in actual use or
in the testing phase.

[b] most of the pictures are standard aircraft, etc.,
but a bunch are, umm, up in the air...
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Ed Stasiak
2024-12-13 18:21:01 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
Read that the Ukrainians and Russians have taken to issuing shotguns to
their troops, having a specific guy in each squad as a "anti-drone gunner".



Personally I think what's needed, is a modified 40mm grenade round using
a model rocket motor for extended range and maneuverability and some
kinda targeting electronics.

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As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to shoot
down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft, though
I don't think any of these drones have been flying low enough to get hit if
someone tried.

Still, I hope someone tries and claims they had a valid fear for their life from
these mysterious foreign drones. The government is saying they don't know
who is controlling them, so...
BTR1701
2024-12-13 21:48:45 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
Read that the Ukrainians and Russians have taken to issuing shotguns to
their troops, having a specific guy in each squad as a "anti-drone gunner".
http://youtu.be/W7fdvMcOAgc
Personally I think what's needed, is a modified 40mm grenade round using
a model rocket motor for extended range and maneuverability and some
kinda targeting electronics.
https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57331_1024x548.jpg
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to shoot
down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.

"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and given its
size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides who knows if these
damn things are carrying weapons."
Ed Stasiak
2024-12-14 06:07:19 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to shoot
down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.
"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and given its
size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides who knows if these
damn things are carrying weapons."
Loading Image...

True, though you're still going to court.
Your Name
2024-12-14 06:56:47 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to shoot
down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.
"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and given its
size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides who knows if these
damn things are carrying weapons."
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Zt9GCuY9gGnGRMI/giphy.gif
True, though you're still going to court.
Can you shoot down a drone? No, you can't.

White House National Security Communications Adviser
John Kirby said the drones spotted by residents are 
lawfully operated manned aircraft, and are not a
threat. They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity, he
said.


<https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/12/13/drones-in-nj-lawmakers-demand-answers/76959930007/>




It's probably just Amazon's new pizza delivery service. ;-)
BTR1701
2024-12-14 13:14:48 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to shoot
down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.
"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and given its
size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides who knows if these
damn things are carrying weapons."
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Zt9GCuY9gGnGRMI/giphy.gif
True, though you're still going to court.
Can you shoot down a drone? No, you can't.
White House National Security Communications Adviser
John Kirby said the drones spotted by residents are 
lawfully operated manned aircraft, and are not a
threat. They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity, he
said.
While at the same time saying they don't know what they are.

Sounds a lot like the "it's just a weather balloon" line they used to
routinely give to anyone who reported a UFO.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-14 16:25:45 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal
to shoot down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations
as aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.
"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and
given its size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides
who knows if these damn things are carrying weapons."
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Zt9GCuY9gGnGRMI/giphy.gif
True, though you're still going to court.
Can you shoot down a drone? No, you can't.
White House National Security Communications Adviser
John Kirby said the drones spotted by residents are 
lawfully operated manned aircraft, and are not a
threat. They are not U.S. military drones and don't
appear to be from a foreign country or entity, he
said.
While at the same time saying they don't know what they are.
Do I really have to state what we are all thinking? Orson Welles' 1938
radio adaptation of War of the Worlds for The Mercury Theatre on the Air
is about to come true. Martians are preparing to invade New Jersey.
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Sounds a lot like the "it's just a weather balloon" line they used to
routinely give to anyone who reported a UFO.
We don't have ownership nor control of airspace above our property, but
we should have control up to 200 feet, the FAA threshold. I am aware
that no court has ever come up with a reasonable demarcation, that it's
trespass below 200 feet and public airspace above 200 feet.

Nevertheless, a homeowner capturing a drone flown too law should be able
to make an argument for trespass and that he's holding property till its
ownership can be established. Another argument that a drone flown under
the 200 foot threshold is being operated unsafely and the homeowner
had a reasonable fear for his own safety and the safety of others, at
least if he downs it so it falls on his own property without damage to
other property or persons.

Also, he's he's helping law enforcement discover the identity of the
criminal drone pilot.
Ubiquitous
2024-12-17 09:30:44 UTC
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BTR1701
Ed Stasiak
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal
to shoot down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as
aircraft
That doesn't trump the right of self-defense.
"Yes, officer, I shot it because it dived straight toward me and given
its size, it could have really hurt me if it hit me, besides who knows
if these damn things are carrying weapons."
https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Zt9GCuY9gGnGRMI/giphy.gif
True, though you're still going to court.
Can you shoot down a drone? No, you can't.
White House National Security Communications Adviser
John Kirby said the drones spotted by residents are 
lawfully operated manned aircraft, and are not a
threat. They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity, he
said.
While at the same time saying they don't know what they are.
The hags on The Coven know. It's drones practicing for a Christmas Eve light
show.
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Sounds a lot like the "it's just a weather balloon" line they used to
routinely give to anyone who reported a UFO.
Wasn't that what they initially said about that Chinese spy balloon?

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Ed Stasiak
2024-12-14 19:54:56 UTC
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Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
shawn
2024-12-14 22:11:52 UTC
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Your Name
Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so no
one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
BTR1701
2024-12-14 22:34:14 UTC
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Your Name
Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so no
one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
Why in the blue fuck would the military test a secret material delivery
platform over heavily populated suburbia when practically the entire state
of Nevada is completely empty and available for testing such things away
from prying eyes?
shawn
2024-12-14 23:17:19 UTC
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Your Name
Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so no
one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
Why in the blue fuck would the military test a secret material delivery
platform over heavily populated suburbia when practically the entire state
of Nevada is completely empty and available for testing such things away
from prying eyes?
I don't know but my guess would be it is that the drones are in their
final field testing. Given the size of the drones and the numbers
being spotted it's not an individual guiding them, and I can't see a
company doing this. So the only option left is that it is some
government running the drones. If it were a foreign nation clearly the
federal government would have a different response to the drones.

So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.

My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
super70s
2024-12-15 21:38:08 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.

If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.

However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
shawn
2024-12-15 22:48:56 UTC
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Post by shawn
So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
I'm a bit confused as the early reports I was reading made it sound
like there were a large number of drones which, to me, lent credence
to the idea that it might be a government operation. Now I'm seeing
videos that only show a few drones flying around. In which case it
could be anyone flying them. Though if it is just some guy flying the
drones I would advise him to put them drones away and not fly them for
months because there are too many people who will be looking for him.
BTR1701
2024-12-15 23:39:13 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
moviePig
2024-12-16 03:19:32 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
I wonder if that goes both ways ...so, e.g., Biden could deduce who's in
Trump's crosshairs.
The Horny Goat
2024-12-16 09:43:52 UTC
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I wonder if that goes both ways ...so, e.g., Biden could deduce who's in
Trump's crosshairs.
That presumably depends on his mental condition - he might well if
he's 100% - but then if he had been he would have been the candidate
not his veep.
BTR1701
2024-12-16 19:08:24 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
I wonder if that goes both ways ...so, e.g., Biden could deduce who's in
Trump's crosshairs.
The drone mystery has been solved:

https://ibb.co/wRhWP6N
moviePig
2024-12-16 20:13:26 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
I wonder if that goes both ways ...so, e.g., Biden could deduce who's in
Trump's crosshairs.
https://ibb.co/wRhWP6N
Then they're workers, not drones...
super70s
2024-12-16 22:27:01 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
If Big Daddy knows what's going on and he's trying to make political
hay out of it it's just more proof how duplicitous he is.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-16 22:58:30 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
Doesn't the presidential nominee receive briefings? Thought I remembered
that from The West Wing.
shawn
2024-12-16 23:03:05 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
Doesn't the presidential nominee receive briefings? Thought I remembered
that from The West Wing.
Isn't that what BTR1701 just said? Unless you are referring to the
nominees from both parties as BTR's comment just refers to the nominee
that is destined to be the President once the January date comes
around.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-17 02:54:19 UTC
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Post by shawn
So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
It's not up to Biden. He has no say in it. The U.S. Code specifies that a
president-elect receive the same intelligence and diplomatic briefings as
the sitting president.
Doesn't the presidential nominee receive briefings? Thought I remembered
that from The West Wing.
Isn't that what BTR1701 just said? . . .
No.
Dimensional Traveler
2024-12-16 04:11:37 UTC
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So it seems likely it is a government operation that the government
isn't ready to admit is theirs. As you say the military has plenty of
facilities that could have been used to test the drones in secret so
there must be a reason to fly the drones in a very public manner.
My guess is we will see an official deployment next year.
Big Daddy has already committed to shooting them down so we'll know if
it's a US government operation soon.
If they suddenly disappear he'll claim he scared them out of the skies.
However one would think he's getting the same security briefings as
Biden at this point -- whether Biden consents or not.
Trump is probably NOT getting the security briefings yet. He hasn't
agreed to and signed the necessary documents. Wants to have it all done
by "private companies", not government agencies that he plans of
dismantling.
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anim8rfsk
2024-12-15 02:10:52 UTC
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Your Name
Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so no
one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
Why in the blue fuck would the military test a secret material delivery
platform over heavily populated suburbia when practically the entire state
of Nevada is completely empty and available for testing such things away
from prying eyes?
Same reason they didn’t start building giant test, solar farms in Arizona
decades ago. Every time somebody tries to put through an appropriation the
representative from Kentucky block it saying that he should get it because
Kentucky gets as much sunshine as Arizona.
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moviePig
2024-12-15 03:28:54 UTC
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Your Name
Ed Stasiak
True, though you're still going to court.
They are not U.S. military drones and don’t
appear to be from a foreign country or entity,
he said.
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so no
one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
Why in the blue fuck would the military test a secret material delivery
platform over heavily populated suburbia when practically the entire state
of Nevada is completely empty and available for testing such things away
from prying eyes?
Same reason they didn’t start building giant test, solar farms in Arizona
decades ago. Every time somebody tries to put through an appropriation the
representative from Kentucky block it saying that he should get it because
Kentucky gets as much sunshine as Arizona.
Maybe they mean 'moonshine'...
Ed Stasiak
2024-12-15 08:20:52 UTC
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shawn
Ed Stasiak
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so
no one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
If they want to keep the secret drones a secret, why would they test
them in one of the most heavily populated regions on the planet?

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2024-12-15 21:02:10 UTC
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shawn
Ed Stasiak
lol, "we don t know nuttin but they're perfectly safe, bro!"
As I've seen pointed out elsewhere the drones are likely being tested
by the military to carry material. So they can deny they are military
because they aren't armed but they are in development and secret so
no one is going to claim them. At least until one ends up crashing and
the government either has to deny they exist or admit it's one of
theirs.
If they want to keep the secret drones a secret, why would they test
them in one of the most heavily populated regions on the planet?
https://philip-kearney.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/megaregions.png
Maybe they were testing the camouflage / invisibility feature ... which
turned out to be a huge failure. ;-)
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2024-12-15 22:11:33 UTC
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Maybe they were testing the camouflage / invisibility feature ... which
turned out to be a huge failure. ;-)
but.. you didn't see the 99 percent of them
where the Romulan Cloak did, in fact, work...
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2024-12-17 09:30:41 UTC
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Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
Read that the Ukrainians and Russians have taken to issuing shotguns to
their troops, having a specific guy in each squad as a "anti-drone gunner".
http://youtu.be/W7fdvMcOAgc
Personally I think what's needed, is a modified 40mm grenade round using
a model rocket motor for extended range and maneuverability and some
kinda targeting electronics.
https://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/57331_1024x548.jpg
As for the drones here, the quoted article mentions that it's illegal to
shoot down a drone, as they come under federal FAA regulations as aircraft,
though I don't think any of these drones have been flying low enough to get
hit ifsomeone tried.
Still, I hope someone tries and claims they had a valid fear for their life
from these mysterious foreign drones. The government is saying they don't
know who is controlling them, so...
I wonder what shining a laser pointer at it would do.

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2024-12-14 01:19:38 UTC
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Thursday December 12, 2024
The Mystery Drones Are Back—This Time Over New Jersey
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in
recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
Some of these have been flying low enough that it's a shame no one has
taken one down with a shotgun.
PULL!
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moviePig
2024-12-13 19:17:38 UTC
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Thursday December 12, 2024
The Mystery Drones Are Back—This Time Over New Jersey
Dozens of mysterious drones have appeared in the skies over New Jersey in recent weeks, perplexing state and federal officials and agitating residents.
The drones, which residents there have reported seeing over military installations, power lines and suburban neighborhoods, appear eerily similar to a fleet that swarmed sensitive national security sites on Virginia’s eastern shoreline one year ago.
Eyewitnesses in New Jersey describe the sightings as loud and numerous, much larger than those typically used by hobbyists, and appearing primarily at night. They have been spotted in eight counties across the state including near at least three military facilities.
The drone incidents over New Jersey are the latest in a series of bizarre episodes involving large, unmanned aircraft flying freely over American soil near sensitive sites that have baffled investigators.
Over two weeks last December, swarms of drones buzzed over Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia, forcing commanders there to remove sensitive aircraft. Officials from the Pentagon to the White House brainstormed responses, but never publicly identified who was flying them or what they were doing.
A Pentagon spokesperson attempted on Wednesday to bat down rumors that the New Jersey drones were being launched by a U.S. adversary but offered no visibility into their origin or purpose. The cryptic nature of the U.S. government’s response only seemed to fan theories about what might be behind the appearances.
The Pentagon said in a statement that it was monitoring the reports of unauthorized drone flights in the vicinity of Naval Weapons Station Earle and Picatinny Arsenal, an Army research center, in New Jersey.
A defense official said they have also appeared near Joint Base McGuire-Dix, about an hour from New York City. Pentagon spokeswoman Sabrina Singh said the Defense Department has “no evidence” that the New Jersey drones are coming from “a foreign entity or the work of an adversary.”
The Federal Bureau of Investigation and state officials are investigating the recent sightings. “While we currently have no evidence or information to indicate these drones pose an imminent threat at this time, their presence appears nefarious in nature,” the police department in one of the affected towns, Florham Park, said in a statement.
Other state officials have said that local law enforcement have tracked the drones flying to and from the ocean, in a similar pattern to some of those that appeared over Langley last year.
At a New Jersey briefing on Wednesday, attended by at least 150 township mayors and the state police, officials reported that the Coast Guard has witnessed 50 such drones flying from the ocean to land and then back.
State police have been investigating the incidents for three weeks, with the first sighting on Nov. 18, said the mayor of Pequannock Township, Ryan Herd, who attended the meeting. The drones fly for six or seven hours at night, and don’t emit radio signals, so can’t be detected, Herd said.
These events, and the debate over which government agency has authority to handle them, point to what officials describe as a broader problem of the U.S.’s limited ability to respond to the growing threats posed by the proliferation of drones. Such incursions near military facilities, even if they don’t pose an imminent physical threat, raise concerns about potential spying on sensitive national security infrastructure. It is illegal to fly drones over military facilities without permission.
Last week, the Pentagon announced some limited measures to address the issue, saying U.S. Northern Command, in Colorado Springs, Colo., was given the authority to respond to domestic incidents over military bases in the U.S. Individual services, such as the Army, Navy or Air Force, are ultimately responsible for their own base security.
The drones in New Jersey have also appeared near critical civilian infrastructure such as reservoirs, electric transmission lines, rail stations and police departments, local police officials said.
Melissa Pedersen, 46, described the aircraft she observed hovering over her neighborhood in Chatham, N.J., as significantly louder and larger than a typical hobbyist drone. Intrigued, the following evening she followed one of the drones as it flew along the power lines, leading her through neighboring towns.
Incidents over facilities that aren’t military fall to a smattering of local law enforcement, the FBI and other security forces. How to deal with such incidents have been the subject of a long-running policy and legal argument on Capitol Hill. The White House, Pentagon and even sports entities such as the NFL have sought more authority from Congress, including the ability to use counterdrone technology to confront what they see as an emerging safety threat.
At a Homeland Security hearing about unmanned aircraft on Tuesday, FBI official Robert Wheeler Jr., who leads the bureau’s Critical Incident Response Group, said the activity in New Jersey was “concerning” and asked the committee to expand who can use antidrone technology.
“The use of counter unmanned aircraft systems to protect against these situations is crucial and can only be fully addressed by expanding the capability to include our state and local partners,” he said.
But air-safety officials have been leery of such technology’s potential harm to civilian aviation, according to current and former federal officials. The Federal Aviation Administration has urged caution in letting such technology proliferate across the U.S.
“It becomes a Wild, Wild West,” said Billy Nolen, who led the FAA as acting administrator between 2022 until 2023. “You start having people say, ‘Oh, someone has sold me some technology, I’ve got an event, and I’m going to suddenly go start shooting things down.’”
For instance, the FAA has in recent years received reports of Defense Department counterdrone technology interfering with radar and aircraft navigation systems, according to former senior FAA officials familiar with the matter. The agency has conducted testing on counterdrone technology to measure its effects on aircraft systems, according to former agency and industry officials.
Under current law, only a handful of federal agencies have authority to take down drones, which enjoy the same legal status as piloted aircraft. Everyone else, including businesses and state and local law-enforcement agencies, could be subject to prosecution for violating criminal laws against interfering with aircraft operations.
The Biden administration and some lawmakers are trying to close some of those gaps. The administration has pushed for legislation that would renew expiring authority for the Department of Homeland Security, including the Coast Guard, and Justice Department to take out drone threats near their facilities, either electronically by jamming the systems or kinetically by shooting them down. It would also extend that authority for the first time to the Central Intelligence Agency, FAA and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
Sen. Gary Peters (D., Mich.), who chairs the homeland security panel, has introduced similar bipartisan legislation that would also extend that authority to the Transportation Security Administration for the first time. The TSA is currently prohibited from taking out drone threats at airports and must call in federal or local law enforcement to deal with such incidents. Sens. Kirsten Gillibrand (D., N.Y.) and Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) are also pursuing an effort to give the Pentagon additional authority to protect against drones threatening bases in the United States.
If investigators are able to capture any of the drones, they might be able to extract more details about who is behind them. But for now, they are still hunting for clues.
At Tuesday’s hearing, Rep. Tony Gonzalez (R-Texas) asked the FBI’s Wheeler: “You’re telling me we don’t know what the hell these drones in New Jersey are?”
“That’s right,” Wheeler replied.
The aliens, whose low-altitude saucers were increasingly noticed by
vigilant Earthlings, camouflaged each behind a fleet of drones...

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