This is Voting in California

Post by BTR1701
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet.
The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally,
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.

Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met
with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me
that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what
he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing
political about it.

For reference, this is the hat in question:

https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B

I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be
remotely considered 'electioneering'.

HIM: But it's red.

ME: So?

HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a
Trump hat.

ME: You've got to be kidding me.

HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place
before you can vote.

One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote
topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then
noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.

For reference, this is the new hat:

https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC

I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).

On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and
whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official
complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed
shocked and I pointed to my hat.

ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because
that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the
color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're
clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.

He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"

But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

Ubiquitous

2024-11-04 19:40:40 UTC

Post by BTR1701
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

DO IT!

--
When we cheat, we win!
DNC 2024

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 01:11:59 UTC

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by BTR1701
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

DO IT!

Ditto

Post by Ubiquitous
--
When we cheat, we win!
DNC 2024

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Ian J. Ball

2024-11-04 20:23:45 UTC

Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met
with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me
that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what
he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing
political about it.
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be
remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a
Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place
before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote
topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then
noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and
whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official
complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed
shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because
that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the
color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're
clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

I absolutely would - you performed a unbiased experiment, and got a
different results with different hars. The poll workers should be
disciplined for a ridiculous interpretation of the "electioneering" rule.

Adam H. Kerman

2024-11-04 20:40:08 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Dammit, I hit send before I typed the second part of my voting adventure.
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met
with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me
that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what
he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing
political about it.
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be
remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a
Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place
before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote
topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then
noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and
whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official
complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed
shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because
that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the
color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're
clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

I'm sorry you were set upon by a moron.

shawn

2024-11-04 21:29:25 UTC

I'm not surprised. I have a red cap that I got long ago at a Time
Warner Full Service Network event that I wear on occasion. While no
one has approached me about it, I have had those same thoughts of will
someone think I'm supporting Trump because it's red. Not surprised to
hear someone actually did that in real life.

Post by BTR1701
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a
Trump hat.

I wonder if it had "Tampa Bay Buccaneers" written on it would that be
acceptable or is the red color still having the guy see red.

Post by BTR1701
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place
before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote
topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then
noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and
whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official
complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed
shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because
that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the
color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're
clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.

But this hat has a label on it where as the other one just had an
image on it.

Post by BTR1701
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

Ubiquitous

2024-11-05 09:30:47 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Before I left to go vote today, I threw on a ballcap because I hadn't showered
yet and my hair was a mess. I got there, walked in, and was immediately met
with a thin pasty little guy scurrying up to me, very worked up. He told me
that electioneering is not allowed inside a polling place. I had no idea what
he was talking about. He pointed to my hat and said that's not allowed. I took
it off just to check, and sure enough, it was my Tampa Bay Bucs hat. Nothing
political about it.
https://ibb.co/4tTjt8B
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be
remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.

How sad is it that Democrats have caused this?

--
When we cheat, we win!
DNC 2024

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 00:35:36 UTC

That looks alarmingly like Boston Brand.

Or maybe it’s Cleveland Brand.

I never could tell those guys apart.

Post by BTR1701
I pointed out it was just an NFL team hat and not anything that could be
remotely considered 'electioneering'.
HIM: But it's red.
ME: So?
HIM: So red is the color of the Republican Party and it looks similar to a
Trump hat.
ME: You've got to be kidding me.
HIM: No, sir. You're going to have remove the hat from the polling place
before you can vote.
One wonders if I'd shown up in a red t-shirt if I'd have been forced to vote
topless. So I went back to the car and tossed the hat in the back, and then
noticed I had a Dodger's cap back there from when the girlfriend and I went to
a game a few weeks ago, so I put that on.
https://ibb.co/fCLmzPC
I went back inside and had no issues at all (other than the provisional ballot
nonsense).
On the way out, I went over to the poll boss and asked for his name and
whatever employee ID number he had because I wanted to file an official
complaint with the Secretary of State for voter discrimination. He seemed
shocked and I pointed to my hat.
ME: You told me I couldn't have a red hat on in the polling place because
that's the color of Republicans but when I returned with a blue hat on-- the
color of Democrats-- you failed to enforce your own ridiculous rule. You're
clearly operating here with a bias toward one political party over another.
He sputtered and stumbled and then literally said what every leftist says when
caught in a double-standard: "That's different!"
But he reluctantly gave me his info, so I left without any further problems.
Still debating whether to follow through with my complaint or not.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Rhino

2024-11-04 19:54:20 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet.
The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally,
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. Ours is not a lot better. Ultimately, every system
seems to rely fundamentally on assuming that everyone is following all
the rules and, that even if there is some cheating, it's not enough to
matter.

I see no reason that unscrupulous people couldn't have very large-scale
cheating which would very definitely skew the results. That would cause
non-winning candidates to get into office and unpopular propositions to
be approved, completely subverting the democratic process.

Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
The only reason I can think of is that each of the major parties
recognizes that it could be the beneficiary of the laxness of the
procedures so it's reluctant to tighten them up.

--
Rhino

BTR1701

2024-11-04 20:02:16 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet.
The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally,
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. Ours is not a lot better. Ultimately, every system
seems to rely fundamentally on assuming that everyone is following all
the rules and, that even if there is some cheating, it's not enough to
matter.
I see no reason that unscrupulous people couldn't have very large-scale
cheating which would very definitely skew the results. That would cause
non-winning candidates to get into office and unpopular propositions to
be approved, completely subverting the democratic process.
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
The only reason I can think of is that each of the major parties
recognizes that it could be the beneficiary of the laxness of the
procedures so it's reluctant to tighten them up.

Voting is the one area in life where we're expected to wait until a problem
happens before taking any preventative steps to keep it from happening in
the first place.

I lock my doors even though I've never been burglarized.

I back up my computer data even though my computer has never irretrievably
crashed.

But with voting it's apparently enough to say "There hasn't been a problem
yet, so there's no need to do anything to prevent one.

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 01:11:58 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Guy walks up and gives his info but points out that it might not be correct as
they have no way of verifying it. He offers to show them his ID and they
quickly say, "We'll take your word for it. It's California."
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1853183840447311873/vid/avc1/1080x1920/yw4PJDOT8z6ayOR_.mp4?tag=16
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet.
The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally,
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered.
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. Ours is not a lot better. Ultimately, every system
seems to rely fundamentally on assuming that everyone is following all
the rules and, that even if there is some cheating, it's not enough to
matter.
I see no reason that unscrupulous people couldn't have very large-scale
cheating which would very definitely skew the results. That would cause
non-winning candidates to get into office and unpopular propositions to
be approved, completely subverting the democratic process.
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?
The only reason I can think of is that each of the major parties
recognizes that it could be the beneficiary of the laxness of the
procedures so it's reluctant to tighten them up.

Voting is the one area in life where we're expected to wait until a problem
happens before taking any preventative steps to keep it from happening in
the first place.
I lock my doors even though I've never been burglarized.
I back up my computer data even though my computer has never irretrievably
crashed.
But with voting it's apparently enough to say "There hasn't been a problem
yet, so there's no need to do anything to prevent one.

We put in a lemon law lHere. I don’t remember the exact specifics but it’s
something like if you buy a new car from a dealership and it doesn’t work
right and they can’t fix it after three tries they have to give you your
money back.

Not surprisingly it doesn’t get used a lot because the car dealerships fix
the damn cars.

But every time the chance comes around the crooked car dealerships, have
their crooked lawyers try to get the law repealed on the basis since
nobody’s demanding their money back it’s unnecessary.

WTaF

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Adam H. Kerman

2024-11-04 20:43:07 UTC

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

100s of thousands of people would have to conspire to impersonate
legitimate voters at the polls to flip a close race, and every
conspirator would have to keep his mouth shut.

How would that work? It's not easy to do at all.

suzeeq

2024-11-04 20:50:19 UTC

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 01:11:57 UTC

Post by suzeeq

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.

Hee hee hee

You’re funny

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Ubiquitous

2024-11-05 09:30:49 UTC

Post by anim8rfsk

Post by suzeeq
Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.

Hee hee hee
You're funny

Head injuries are _never_ funny!

--
When we cheat, we win!
Harris/Walz 2024

Ubiquitous

2024-11-05 09:30:48 UTC

Post by suzeeq

Post by Rhino
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

Any instances of fraudulent voting have been in the dozens.... across
the entire country. There's no widespread fraud in our system at all.

TROLL-O-METER

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2* *10
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* \ *clinical death
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* * *damned for all eternity

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Rhino

2024-11-05 01:29:03 UTC

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

As legend has it, JFK's father, Joe Kennedy, bought his election
victory. If I remember right, most of the critical votes came from the
Chicago area. Tell me again how it is impossible to cheat your way into
a victory.

The way I heard the story, Joe Kennedy told whoever fixed it that he
wasn't after a landslide, just enough votes for a clear victory. He
supposedly paid just a few dollars per vote if I remember correctly.

--
Rhino

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 02:03:23 UTC

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

As legend has it, JFK's father, Joe Kennedy, bought his election
victory. If I remember right, most of the critical votes came from the
Chicago area. Tell me again how it is impossible to cheat your way into
a victory.
The way I heard the story, Joe Kennedy told whoever fixed it that he
wasn't after a landslide, just enough votes for a clear victory. He
supposedly paid just a few dollars per vote if I remember correctly.

It takes a crime family…

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Adam H. Kerman

2024-11-05 02:22:11 UTC

. . .

It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

Requiring ID wouldn't have prevented the dead from voting!

Post by Rhino
The way I heard the story, Joe Kennedy told whoever fixed it that he
wasn't after a landslide, just enough votes for a clear victory. He
supposedly paid just a few dollars per vote if I remember correctly.

The Horny Goat

2024-11-05 03:57:42 UTC

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 20:43:07 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Rhino
It's truly remarkable how easy it would be to commit massive fraud in
your voting system. . . .

Actually it's happened in Canada where in certain districts there were
groups of ethnic voters (all from the same ethnic group - which one
isn't relevant to the story) who were seen to be getting out of a
minibus outside the polling station and going inside to vote.

Which was a non-issue except that the same minibus turned up at 15-20
polling stations throughout the electoral district..... given the
number of polling stations that bus was seen it meant about 500-1000
extra votes....>naturally< none of the voters professed to speak
English!

Ubiquitous

2024-11-04 20:55:25 UTC

Post by Rhino
Why don't sensible people from all the parties get together and figure
out really good ways to make the system as incorruptible as it can be?

The Dems are the only ones who don't want to secure the vote and there's only
one reason. They want to cheat to win.

--
When we cheat, we win!
DNC 2024

Adam H. Kerman

2024-11-04 20:37:20 UTC

Oh, goody. His registration is correct but he's being a wiseass about
confirming. We show the voter his registration. He confirms it. While we
have no way of knowing if he's lying, his date of birth hasn't changed
since he registered.

Post by BTR1701
(Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't banned filming in polling places yet.
The constant exposure of how ripe for corruption the entire system is has got
to be driving them mad. On the other hand, nothing happens to them and nothing
changes, so maybe they don't care.)
For the fourth year in a row, I didn't receive my mail-in ballot. Normally,
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.

How does the driver's license solve the problem? Your identity isn't
being question. That your mail-in ballot may have been cast fraudulently
is.

You're a lawyer. File a sworn affidavit with the county clerk that you
did not receive nor cast the mail-in ballot and that you demand that
your in-person ballot be cast. Send it by certified mail.

I'm not a lawyer and that's what I'd do.

Post by BTR1701
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

Is your late dog still receiving mail-in ballots?

The Horny Goat

2024-11-05 03:51:08 UTC

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 20:37:20 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

I once got in trouble because they got my name from the tax
authorities and therefore gave my full legal name whereas the name I
live my life by is a shortened form of my legal middle name. However I
quickly got out of trouble by showing them my Visa card which shows
that name and my driver's licence side by side. Since I normally carry
both in my wallet it was a non-issue.

BTR1701

2024-11-07 20:28:10 UTC

FYI - I just got a notification that my provisional ballot was counted and the
mail-in ballot canceled. I guess my signature must have matched.

Adam H. Kerman

2024-11-08 15:29:16 UTC

FYI - I just got a notification that my provisional ballot was counted
and the mail-in ballot canceled. I guess my signature must have
matched.

All of us on Usenet feel you should followup on this as a felony might
have been committed here. I suppose you could file a criminal complaint
with the Postal Inspection Service (now that you know where their sooper
sekrit headquarters is). There could be two post office related
complaints, that your mail was stolen and, if the voted ballot was
returned by mail, then mail fraud. There are a variety of election code
related crimes under state law; I guess you'd file with the sheriff as
it involves county government but I have no idea.

The ballot return, in particular, has got to be fraud. Those are
preprinted applications. The signature is an affirmation that the
name and address information on the application to vot is correct.

Now, there is a check digit built into the barcode (which encodes your
voter serial number for a database lookup, nothing more) but they can
still be misread and the formula verifying the number can still match
multiple serial numbers. The person performing the scan is supposed to verify
that the correct record popped up on the screen but they don't always do
that, or the barcode scan may be entirely automated like returning a
Netflix DVD was. Fraud might not have occurred but someone would have to
inspect the application to make that determination.

I still wanna know if your late dog receive a ballot to cast.

shawn

2024-11-04 21:24:15 UTC

Hmm, someone is playing with fire if they actually stole your ballot
and cast votes as you. Though I'm not sure how they would be caught
if they aren't ever checking ID.

Post by BTR1701
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

I hate signature matching because my signature seems to mutate on a
regular basis. I'm not just talking about when trying to sign on real
paper versus those glass tablets. I'm not sure why it varies but it
does so if someone tried to match my signature it might not do so.

BTR1701

2024-11-05 00:14:10 UTC

Hmm, someone is playing with fire if they actually stole your ballot
and cast votes as you. Though I'm not sure how they would be caught
if they aren't ever checking ID.

Ding-ding-ding-ding!

The man is a winner! Give him a prize.

ID is required for almost everything in life. I had to show my ID yesterday
just to drop off some old computers at the electronics recycling depot. Hell,
the Dems require ID to get into their political events. But asking for ID to
do something they constantly tout as "the most important duty in our
democracy"? Nope. No ID necessary.

Yeah, that's another monkey in the wrench that I forgot to mention: they have
you sign your name for signature matching on the equivalent of an iPad screen.
My signature with a pen on paper is VASTLY different than what appeared on
screen when I try and do it with my fingernail on glass.

Rhino

2024-11-05 01:24:13 UTC

Hmm, someone is playing with fire if they actually stole your ballot
and cast votes as you. Though I'm not sure how they would be caught
if they aren't ever checking ID.

Ding-ding-ding-ding!
The man is a winner! Give him a prize.
ID is required for almost everything in life. I had to show my ID yesterday
just to drop off some old computers at the electronics recycling depot. Hell,
the Dems require ID to get into their political events. But asking for ID to
do something they constantly tout as "the most important duty in our
democracy"? Nope. No ID necessary.

I've often wondered if the validity of a signature given on a screen
with your finger has even been tested in court. It certainly should be!

My signature isn't even consistent with pen and paper - the pen, the
paper, and the surface the paper is on all affect it - and my
finger-signed signature doesn't even *resemble* one made with pen. For
my money, a finger-signed signature should not be considered acceptable.
I know that's inconvenient as hell to the organizations needing the
signature but if you can't make a signature resembling what you'd get
from a pen, you're already invalidating the concept of a signature as an
identity-verifying technique.

--
Rhino

The Horny Goat

2024-11-05 04:04:08 UTC

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 20:24:13 -0500, Rhino

Post by Rhino
My signature isn't even consistent with pen and paper - the pen, the
paper, and the surface the paper is on all affect it - and my
finger-signed signature doesn't even *resemble* one made with pen. For
my money, a finger-signed signature should not be considered acceptable.
I know that's inconvenient as hell to the organizations needing the
signature but if you can't make a signature resembling what you'd get
from a pen, you're already invalidating the concept of a signature as an
identity-verifying technique.

Make an "X" next time and see if they accept it! <grin>

The Horny Goat

2024-11-05 04:00:20 UTC

On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:24:15 -0500, shawn

Post by shawn
I hate signature matching because my signature seems to mutate on a
regular basis. I'm not just talking about when trying to sign on real
paper versus those glass tablets. I'm not sure why it varies but it
does so if someone tried to match my signature it might not do so.

I agree - especially when they demand your entire signature fit inside
their box since my name includes a capital L and a lower case y both
of which tend to go very high or very low respectively.

If I don't figure out what the box is for one of those two letters
likely goes "out of bounds" - on my checks it doesn't matter but
elsewhere...

anim8rfsk

2024-11-05 00:35:34 UTC

The website where you can check to see if your ballot made it and asked me
if I’d like to see my voting history. Unlike the scary stories, they’re
telling us, not just anybody could go in and see your voting history. I had
to give them all the information that you’re not supposed to give people.

it said it went back 11 years, but it only went back eight. The only
ballots I had received were this one and the primary one from a couple
months ago.

At least nobody had voted with any of them in my place.

Normally,

Post by BTR1701
when I get to the poll, they say they'll cancel it, but this time I was told
that it had already been used, that the system showed I'd already voted. I
told them that was not true and that I'd never received my mail ballot. It's
evident that the ballot was taken at some point and illegally used. I offered
to show them my ID so they could verify my identity and they recoiled in
horror as I started pulling out my DL, saying, "No, sir. We're not allowed to
look at that." It was like they were vampires and I was about douse them with
holy water by pulling out my ID.
In the end, I was forced to cast a provisional ballot, which they said would
go in the batch for signature matching and if my signature matched the one
they have on file, it would be counted. If not, the mail-in ballot would be
counted.
So hopefully my signature hasn't changed much over the last 13 years or I've
probably voted for Harris, Gascon, NO to the repeal of Prop 36, and YES on all
the tax increase propositions.

The website where you go to see if they got your ballot told me they’d
verified my signature. I have no idea against what.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

The Horny Goat

2024-11-05 03:45:16 UTC