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[OT] A deep dive into Canada's next prime minister
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Rhino
2025-01-04 21:55:02 UTC
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The man who is poised to be the winner of the next federal election and
therefore the next prime minister of Canada, Pierre Poilievre, is
interviewed in depth by Jordan Peterson.

[100 minutes]

I don't know if I'm even capable of articulating the difference between
Poilievre and the incumbent PM, Justin Trudeau. Trudeau makes
proclamations like "the budget balances itself" and "I don't really
spend much time thinking about monetary policy" while Poilievre has
clearly studied these matters and can speak at length about them in an
intelligible and intelligent way. I can't imagine Trudeau even
participating in a conversation like this without a script, extensive
rehearsals, and a long time in an editing suite cutting the resulting
video into something approaching coherence (the way Kamala Harris' CBS
interview had to be edited).

I can't wait until Poilievre is our PM! Whatever disappointments we face
at his hands can only be a faint shadow on the devastation Trudeau has
caused.
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Rhino
The Horny Goat
2025-01-05 19:18:45 UTC
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 16:55:02 -0500, Rhino
Post by Rhino
The man who is poised to be the winner of the next federal election and
therefore the next prime minister of Canada, Pierre Poilievre, is
interviewed in depth by Jordan Peterson.
http://youtu.be/Dck8eZCpglc [100 minutes]
I don't know if I'm even capable of articulating the difference between
Poilievre and the incumbent PM, Justin Trudeau. Trudeau makes
Sounds like you just did - the difference of course being that Trudeau
/ "Harris" has been in power since 2015 and is one of the serving PMs
since WW2.

Despite being well past his "best by" date.

Can you imagine any US politician even getting to the ballot with
pictures like these in his portfolio? (Much less getting 3 terms of
office?)

https://www.google.com/search?q=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&sca_esv=11562f0a2f57a122&sxsrf=ADLYWILz-NzdzWhE9TcBvAFyER8qkFOhkA:1736104631726&source=hp&biw=1106&bih=861&ei=t9p6Z__iKY3z0PEPh7qEuAk&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ3rox8GM_DFp9eMuc5-AaGZZE2eP3zAC&ved=0ahUKEwi_mvXepd-KAxWNOTQIHQcdAZcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&gs_lp=EgNpbWciHmp1c3RpbiB0cnVkZWF1IGJsYWNrZmFjZSBwaG90bzIIEAAYgAQYxwNI-T5QAFjxOnABeACQAQCYATegAfwLqgECMzG4AQPIAQD4AQGKAgtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ5gCH6ACkQzCAgQQIxgnwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIFEAAYgATCAgQQABgDmAMAkgcCMzGgB9aBAQ&sclient=img&udm=2
Rhino
2025-01-06 02:34:55 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 16:55:02 -0500, Rhino
Post by Rhino
The man who is poised to be the winner of the next federal election and
therefore the next prime minister of Canada, Pierre Poilievre, is
interviewed in depth by Jordan Peterson.
http://youtu.be/Dck8eZCpglc [100 minutes]
I don't know if I'm even capable of articulating the difference between
Poilievre and the incumbent PM, Justin Trudeau. Trudeau makes
Sounds like you just did - the difference of course being that Trudeau
/ "Harris" has been in power since 2015 and is one of the serving PMs
since WW2.
Despite being well past his "best by" date.
Justin Trudeau had a "best by" date? Really? I think Stephen Harper's
campaign had it exactly right in the early part of the 2015 campaign
with their picture of Trudeau above a caption that said "He's not up for
the job (of PM)".

Trudeau was NEVER "up for the job" and still isn't even after 10 years
IN THE JOB! He's proven it every day and in every way.

The millions of Canadians who voted for Trudeau in the past 3 elections
owe Stephen Harper a truly abject apology for dumping the best prime
minister we've had in my lifetime - and the ONLY one I voted for without
holding my nose - for the worst one in Canadian history.
Post by The Horny Goat
Can you imagine any US politician even getting to the ballot with
pictures like these in his portfolio? (Much less getting 3 terms of
office?)
https://www.google.com/search?q=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&sca_esv=11562f0a2f57a122&sxsrf=ADLYWILz-NzdzWhE9TcBvAFyER8qkFOhkA:1736104631726&source=hp&biw=1106&bih=861&ei=t9p6Z__iKY3z0PEPh7qEuAk&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ3rox8GM_DFp9eMuc5-AaGZZE2eP3zAC&ved=0ahUKEwi_mvXepd-KAxWNOTQIHQcdAZcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&gs_lp=EgNpbWciHmp1c3RpbiB0cnVkZWF1IGJsYWNrZmFjZSBwaG90bzIIEAAYgAQYxwNI-T5QAFjxOnABeACQAQCYATegAfwLqgECMzG4AQPIAQD4AQGKAgtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ5gCH6ACkQzCAgQQIxgnwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIFEAAYgATCAgQQABgDmAMAkgcCMzGgB9aBAQ&sclient=img&udm=2
I think many people just wrote off the blackface pictures as young
person's hijinks, even though he was well into his 20s (or 30s?) in the
Point Grey pictures.

The media let him off after a bit of grovelling in front of the cameras
so that they could have a big news day. I can't remember a single major
non-white figure expressing strong disgust over the pictures or
resigning a position in protest. I certainly didn't see any Liberal
caucus members or cabinet members resign in protest, even though he has
many that normally love to be woke and condemn such things.

The fundamental problem is that virtually every federal Liberal in the
caucus or cabinet rode in on his coat tails and they all knew it. That
meant they couldn't condemn him or register displeasure publicly for
fear of him refusing to sign their nomination papers for the next
election. That's a symptom of the Liberals over-centralizing control of
the party in the Leader's hands. I think they were embarrassed by past
occasions where elected Liberals took positions opposing the general
will of the party - especially about abortion - but were powerless to
stop that under the old rules so they changed the rules so the Leader
had full control over who the nominees were and could keep out those who
didn't agree with him. That's inevitably going to result in some form of
a personality cult all orbiting the Leader and taking pains not to
disagree openly. It's why they've got no real heir-apparent to Trudeau,
someone a bit younger with strong leadership skills and genuine
competence to take over. All they've got is sycophants like Freeland and
all the others who agreed with him every single time he wanted to do
something stupid because they knew they were nothing without him. That's
why it's taken until only the last couple of months before anyone will
openly criticize Trudeau and Freeland, his most devoted deputy, only
openly broke with him a few short weeks ago, even though the polls were
bad as long as 2 years ago. Before that, the caucus could only barely
muster the guts to write him letters hinting at displeasure with his
leadership but very few people actually signed those letters to reveal
themselves.

The Liberals need to decentralize the party again so that the ridings
are the ultimate choosers of candidates and the party just needs to
accept that will possibly result in a few ideological outliers getting
elected. They also need to adopt the same rules the Conservatives have
that allow an under-performing leader - like Erin O'Toole - to be
replaced by someone better without having to wait for him to lose an
election (or die in office) as per the current Liberal rules. Of course,
that assumes the Liberal Party SURVIVES the next election: I'm hoping
they realize their time is past and fold up their tent altogether, with
the "progressives" joining the NDP, and the moderate/centrist types (if
any such people exist in the Liberal Party) joining the Conservatives.

With the current situations in this country and the UK in mind, I'd also
love to see the Conservatives try to create a law - or even a
Constitutional amendment - that enables the Canadian public to demand an
election when they are satisfied that a government is completely
counterproductive. Labour in the UK is already widely despised and
Starmer's got a -49 rating after just 6 months. Trudeau has been widely
despised for years but we have no mechanism to force an early election
ourselves if the opposition parties prop up a minority government, as is
the case with Singh propping up Trudeau. There'd obviously need to be
some thresholds to ensure that disgust with the government is widespread
and substantial and probably not over a single narrow issue so that such
a provision wouldn't be abused but it shouldn't be so high that it would
be impossible to activate this provision and turf out the likes of a
Trudeau or Starmer.


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Rhino
The Horny Goat
2025-01-07 18:00:19 UTC
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 21:34:55 -0500, Rhino
Post by The Horny Goat
https://www.google.com/search?q=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&sca_esv=11562f0a2f57a122&sxsrf=ADLYWILz-NzdzWhE9TcBvAFyER8qkFOhkA:1736104631726&source=hp&biw=1106&bih=861&ei=t9p6Z__iKY3z0PEPh7qEuAk&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ3rox8GM_DFp9eMuc5-AaGZZE2eP3zAC&ved=0ahUKEwi_mvXepd-KAxWNOTQIHQcdAZcQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=justin+trudeau+blackface+photo&gs_lp=EgNpbWciHmp1c3RpbiB0cnVkZWF1IGJsYWNrZmFjZSBwaG90bzIIEAAYgAQYxwNI-T5QAFjxOnABeACQAQCYATegAfwLqgECMzG4AQPIAQD4AQGKAgtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ5gCH6ACkQzCAgQQIxgnwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIFEAAYgATCAgQQABgDmAMAkgcCMzGgB9aBAQ&sclient=img&udm=2
I think many people just wrote off the blackface pictures as young
person's hijinks, even though he was well into his 20s (or 30s?) in the
Point Grey pictures.
The media let him off after a bit of grovelling in front of the cameras
so that they could have a big news day. I can't remember a single major
non-white figure expressing strong disgust over the pictures or
resigning a position in protest. I certainly didn't see any Liberal
caucus members or cabinet members resign in protest, even though he has
many that normally love to be woke and condemn such things.
I dare say but you know as well as I do that "progressives" get
multiple "re-dos" (aka forgiveness) far more than those in the center
or on the right.

Any doubt in your mind that if someone like JD Vance had had those
pictures published his career would be over before it was out of the
starting blocks?

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