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Outrageous mass murder in Vancouver
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Adam H. Kerman
2025-04-28 01:07:02 UTC
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I have found very good coverage of this. The death toll in Vancouver
appears to be 11 but I've heard some higher numbers. I haven't heard how
many injured there are.

It was a Filipino festival. I heard that a political candidate had just
visited.

Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?

This is terrible. My condolensces to families and friends of the
victims.

https://apnews.com/article/canada-vancouver-filipino-festival-deaths-car-6635b400430a7015341d3ca0c4c1e7fb
danny burstein
2025-04-28 01:17:04 UTC
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In <vumkbl$20rvo$***@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <***@chinet.com> writes:

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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?
a: he was "known to the police"

b: Canada isn't as facile or quick to label crimes
as "terrorist" compared to the US (which, to be sure,
often ignored/ignores that possibility when politically
inconvenient..)
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Adam H. Kerman
2025-04-28 01:46:50 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?
a: he was "known to the police"
b: Canada isn't as facile or quick to label crimes
as "terrorist" compared to the US (which, to be sure,
often ignored/ignores that possibility when politically
inconvenient..)
I don't see how jumping to a conclusion without investigating is
different in one country or another. It was an ethnic festival, so the
question needs to be asked, or he was targetting the politicial who had
just left.
Rhino
2025-04-28 03:05:33 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?
a: he was "known to the police"
b: Canada isn't as facile or quick to label crimes
as "terrorist" compared to the US (which, to be sure,
often ignored/ignores that possibility when politically
inconvenient..)
I don't see how jumping to a conclusion without investigating is
different in one country or another. It was an ethnic festival, so the
question needs to be asked, or he was targetting the politicial who had
just left.
The articles I read said the perpetrator was known to police due to
"mental health issues". Of course they left it at that - they always
leave things as vague as they can, ostensibly due to "privacy" - so we
are left to wonder how these mental health issues manifested themselves
in the past. Did he limit himself to unhinged rants? Or had he committed
previous assaults?

His lawyer must be salivating at the police citing "mental health
issues": now they can argue that he's not criminally responsible, send
him away to a psychiatric institution for a few years, then declare him
cured and let him go, which would be a better outcome (for the suspect)
than having him in the slammer for 25 years. (Our Supreme Court has
ruled against giving people consecutive life terms - "life" here is
actually just 25 years - meaning you don't go to jail any longer for
killing 11 than you do for killing 1. And that's assuming he were
convicted of first degree murder. It's entirely common - but not
universal - that even 1st degree murderers only get charged as 2nd
degree killers in some cases.)
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Pluted Pup
2025-04-28 05:57:55 UTC
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Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?
a: he was "known to the police"
b: Canada isn't as facile or quick to label crimes
as "terrorist" compared to the US (which, to be sure,
often ignored/ignores that possibility when politically
inconvenient..)
Canada is quick to judge as anywhere else, and whether
he is a terrorist or not depends on the color of his
skin.
Post by Rhino
Post by Adam H. Kerman
I don't see how jumping to a conclusion without investigating is
different in one country or another. It was an ethnic festival, so the
question needs to be asked, or he was targetting the politicial who had
just left.
The articles I read said the perpetrator was known to police due to
"mental health issues". Of course they left it at that - they always
leave things as vague as they can, ostensibly due to "privacy" - so we
are left to wonder how these mental health issues manifested themselves
in the past. Did he limit himself to unhinged rants? Or had he committed
previous assaults?
"Investigators ruled out terrorism and said Lo had a history of mental health issues."

Would it be odd for a terrorist to have mental problems?
Maybe the police and media have their reasons to think
mental illness an exclusion for terrorism.

Perhaps this attitude is a vestige of the old anti-racist
slogan that terrorism against whites is justified for it's
therapeutic value as a response to racism, re: Doctor Fanon.

But Filipinos were killed, and the killer is presumably
non-white, so how could this be a racially motivated
crime? It is a well accepted principal that only
whites are are to charged with these crimes. But,
what if the established doctrine that "racial hatred
is always justified against whites" actually had some
collateral damage, couldn't the authorities still blame it
on whites?
Post by Rhino
His lawyer must be salivating at the police citing "mental health
issues": now they can argue that he's not criminally responsible, send
him away to a psychiatric institution for a few years, then declare him
cured and let him go, which would be a better outcome (for the suspect)
than having him in the slammer for 25 years. (Our Supreme Court has
ruled against giving people consecutive life terms - "life" here is
actually just 25 years - meaning you don't go to jail any longer for
killing 11 than you do for killing 1. And that's assuming he were
convicted of first degree murder. It's entirely common - but not
universal - that even 1st degree murderers only get charged as 2nd
degree killers in some cases.)
Or am I mistaken in my assumption and he killed only white
attendees, wouldn't that make him a hero to anti-racists?
Rhino
2025-04-28 16:15:57 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
I have found very good coverage of this. The death toll in Vancouver
appears to be 11 but I've heard some higher numbers. I haven't heard how
many injured there are.
It was a Filipino festival. I heard that a political candidate had just
visited.
Police quickly ruled out terrorism. How?
This is terrible. My condolensces to families and friends of the
victims.
https://apnews.com/article/canada-vancouver-filipino-festival-deaths-car-6635b400430a7015341d3ca0c4c1e7fb
Here is more information about the man who murdered and injured the
people at the festival with some editorializing about the deficiencies
in our approach to mental health.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-vancouver-car-ramming-suspect-should-have-never-been-free-in-the-first-place
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Adam H. Kerman
2025-04-29 05:50:58 UTC
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Another incident, Chatham, Illinois. Four victims killed at an
after-school program when a vehicle was driven into the building. Three
were outside, one inside. The victims were ages 4 to 18. The driver was
taken to hospital; he was unhurt. Police haven't said it was intentional
yet, but it certainly appears to be.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/28/four-people-were-killed-when-vehicle-smashed-through-illinois-building-police-say/
Pluted Pup
2025-04-29 18:38:00 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Another incident, Chatham, Illinois. Four victims killed at an
after-school program when a vehicle was driven into the building. Three
were outside, one inside. The victims were ages 4 to 18. The driver was
taken to hospital; he was unhurt. Police haven't said it was intentional
yet, but it certainly appears to be.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/28/four-people-were-killed-when-vehicle-smashed-through-illinois-building-police-say/
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Adam H. Kerman
2025-04-29 20:27:30 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Another incident, Chatham, Illinois. Four victims killed at an
after-school program when a vehicle was driven into the building. Three
were outside, one inside. The victims were ages 4 to 18. The driver was
taken to hospital; he was unhurt. Police haven't said it was intentional
yet, but it certainly appears to be.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/04/28/four-people-were-killed-when-vehicle-smashed-through-illinois-building-police-say/
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