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Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
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Ablang
2003-12-17 01:45:23 UTC
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[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]

Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
(Sunday, December 07 02:30 AM)
By Kate O'Hare


LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - "UFO" has become synonymous with "alien
spacecraft" in many people's minds, but it merely means "unidentified
flying object."
For American airmen at a base in Britain in 1980, the unknown nature of
what they saw has haunted them for two decades. On Friday, Dec. 12, at 9
p.m. ET, in a two-hour special called "UFO Invasion at Rendlesham," Sci Fi
Channel dispatches newsman Bryant Gumbel to Suffolk, England, to
investigate reports of UFO sightings in Rendlesham Forest.

"For many of us, it comes down to a question of belief," says Gumbel to
Zap2it, "because somebody will tell you it's fact, and somebody will tell
you it's not. I made the comment to somebody long ago that it's very easy
to be dismissive of people who believe, but it's probably easier to believe
in a UFO than it is to believe that we're the only intelligent life in the
universe.


"It's easy to laugh at such people and think they're people who pick up the
National Enquirer and believe the toaster produces aliens. But some of the
people you meet who claim to have seen some things are reasonable people.
They're people who, at some point in their lives, saw something they can't
quite explain."
This is the third in a series of specials -- under the "Sci Fi
Declassified" banner -- with Gumbel as host, narrator and correspondent,
that look at specific UFO incidents. The first examined probably the most
famous, the 1947 incident near the Army Air Force base at Roswell, N.M.;
the second looked at a less widely known event, in Kecksburg, Pa., in 1965.

The events in Rendlesham Forest took place over two nights in late
December, near to a pair of Royal Air Force bases, Bentwaters and
Woodbridge, being operated by the U.S. Air Force as part of NATO's front-
line defenses. U.S. servicemen reported strange, moving lights in the
forest and took photos of a possible landing site.

The Deputy Base Commander, Lt. Col. Charles Halt, even sent a memo to
Britain's Ministry of Defence (MoD) about the sightings. Rumors of a cover-
up by U.S. and U.K. officials have persisted ever since.

Gumbel talks to some of the U.S. servicemen involved; also included are
interviews with high-ranking U.K. officials. There is also documentation,
much of it released by MoD in December 2002.

What makes Rendlesham interesting to Sci Fi and to the show's production
team, led by executive producer Jim Milio of MPH Entertainment, is the
opportunity to use scientific means to seek trace evidence, and especially
the availability of witnesses.

"It's not exactly a good career move to talk about UFOs if you're in the
Air Force," Milio says, "so the reason this one was not heard about for a
long time -- although it made pretty good press in England in 1984, when
the Halt memo came out -- is because these guys certainly didn't want to
talk about it until they were retired.

"They didn't want to risk their pensions. Even now, there's a lot of
ridicule. But to this day, they would like to get some answers."

"They still have some degree of reticence when you speak to them," Gumbel
says. "They're not anxious to do things that cross a line with which
they're not comfortable."

One line the servicemen refused to cross concerns unconfirmed reports that
nuclear weapons were secretly kept at the bases. UFO sightings include one
right over supposed storage silos.

"It's one of the things we kept walking around," Gumbel says. "It's the
rhinoceros in the living room. Everybody worked on the assumption that they
were there, but nobody could state it as a fact. In the case of the
officers we were speaking with, they couldn't even speak of it."

"Although," Milio says, "when I videotaped them, they agreed to walk by the
weapons silos where they were held, but they wouldn't actually admit they
were there."

Whether the lights seen at Rendlesham were alien visitors, aircraft, a
lighthouse or a tractor (as some reports have suggested), the unwillingness
of governments and the military to be open inevitably leads to talk of
conspiracy.

"It's just easier for big operations," Gumbel says, "whether they be
governments or corporations or whatever, to just not answer, say a simple
'no comment' and move on."

But, as Milio points out, "When you have the defense departments of two
governments talking about the same thing, there must be an issue there.
When you have to get together to say, in unison, that there is no
[security] issue, suggests there is one."

Although Gumbel puts himself squarely in the skeptics' corner, he does find
Rendlesham compelling.

"For a nonbeliever," he says, "and I probably put most Americans into that
category, the Rendlesham one will probably leave them feeling the most
ambivalent. These are people whose job was -- it sounds like an oxymoron --
military intelligence, to begin with, so they're not people who, as a rule,
see things that go bump in the night.

"It remains the most convincing of the three, in my opinion, because of the
evidence and because of the character of the witnesses that said they saw
something. Has it made me a believer? No, but I confess that I don't have a
counterargument."

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Jack Ak
2003-12-17 03:42:07 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC), Ablang
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]
Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
(Sunday, December 07 02:30 AM)
By Kate O'Hare
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - "UFO" has become synonymous with "alien
spacecraft" in many people's minds, but it merely means "unidentified
flying object."
For American airmen at a base in Britain in 1980, the unknown nature of
what they saw has haunted them for two decades. On Friday, Dec. 12, at 9
p.m. ET, in a two-hour special called "UFO Invasion at Rendlesham," Sci Fi
Channel dispatches newsman Bryant Gumbel to Suffolk, England, to
investigate reports of UFO sightings in Rendlesham Forest.
...
Today is Dec 16... thanks for the untimely posting.
ljalk
2003-12-17 04:32:31 UTC
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Post by Jack Ak
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC), Ablang
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]
Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
(Sunday, December 07 02:30 AM)
By Kate O'Hare
LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - "UFO" has become synonymous with "alien
spacecraft" in many people's minds, but it merely means "unidentified
flying object."
For American airmen at a base in Britain in 1980, the unknown nature of
what they saw has haunted them for two decades. On Friday, Dec. 12, at 9
p.m. ET, in a two-hour special called "UFO Invasion at Rendlesham," Sci Fi
Channel dispatches newsman Bryant Gumbel to Suffolk, England, to
investigate reports of UFO sightings in Rendlesham Forest.
...
Today is Dec 16... thanks for the untimely posting.
umm it repeated this evening and will be repeated a hundred times
trickster
2003-12-17 14:21:56 UTC
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I saw it.. and I believe it was a government military experiment. The
Sci-Fi Channel blew with this one. They have been showing UFO
documentaries for the past year. 1) Nobody gets close to "UFOs
without radiation poisoning, and a loss of time, psychological
problems. These guys were writing notes and talking via walkie
talkies throughout the whole time. When ordinary people encounter
things like this they are not coherent at all and even "forget" what
happened to them. 2) It was a nuclear facility and you mean to tell
me that with all that manpower they would let only a few people
investigate crafts or lights in the area? Previous documentaries
showed how the air force scrambled jets, radar was checked, the base
on full alert, etc. etc. Not only that the government takes these
same people and asks them what they saw and those guys remembered!!!!!
It reminded me of an old Outer Limits (black/white) episode where some
military people where captured by some aliens and were made to talk.
Come to find out it was their own government trying to find out what
would be the reaction of people if they were caught by an alien. This
is probably put out to show that England is our friend and they shared
with us a UFO phenonmen.
Alex Cain
2003-12-17 08:35:17 UTC
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Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Mac Breck
2003-12-17 16:01:32 UTC
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Post by Alex Cain
Post by Ablang
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Post by Alex Cain
Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him.
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SmkMirrors
2003-12-18 04:43:27 UTC
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Post by Mac Breck
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him
to a small extent Matt Lauer and to a very large extent Katie Couric. Once
Couric weasled her way on board it really forced NBC to retool the Today Show
and make it "younger/hipper".

Hopefully Couric will be a victim of this same youth revolution as she really
looks old and tired.
Alex Cain
2003-12-18 09:20:25 UTC
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Post by Ablang
Post by Alex Cain
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose
credibility.]
Post by Alex Cain
Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him.
Politics and his own bad choices. But putting him on CBS at 5 a.m. and
having him interview contestants outed from "Survivor" pretty much sealed
the deal on his being a "serious" journalist.
Creepy the Clown
2003-12-18 09:52:00 UTC
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Post by Alex Cain
Post by Mac Breck
Post by Alex Cain
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]
Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him.
Politics and his own bad choices. But putting him on CBS at 5 a.m. and
having him interview contestants outed from "Survivor" pretty much sealed
the deal on his being a "serious" journalist.
Bryant 'Gumbel' has been "Chosen" !!
http://www.scifi.com/rendlesham/

About the Rendlesham Incident

In late December 1980, in Rendlesham Forest, England,
numerous U.S. military personnel witnessed what has come to
be regarded as the most significant military-UFO incident in the
history of Great Britain.

The servicemen were posted to the RAF Bentwaters and RAF
Woodbridge facilities -- which together constitute one of the
largest NATO bases in rural Suffolk, East Anglia -- when, on
December 27, they noticed unusual lights and activity near the
base's back gate. A trio of security patrolmen led by Jim
Penniston, thinking a military aircraft might be down or in
distress, ventured into Rendlesham Forest to investigate. There
they observed a variety of unearthly phenomena that none of
them could explain, as well as an airborne object obscured by
its own blinding light.

The next day, December 28, they returned to the forest and
found three radioactive depressions in the ground where the
object had been sighted. That night, other witnesses in
surrounding areas saw an intense red light pulsating and
moving through the trees.

Soon afterward, several of the men involved, including Airman
Larry Warren, were debriefed by U.S. and British officers and
ordered to sign documents contradicting their firsthand
accounts. Furthermore, they were told to remain silent and were
warned by U.S. military intelligence personnel that, if they
didn't, "Bullets are cheap."

Two weeks after these incidents, Lt. Colonel Charles Halt (who
retired years later following his promotion to colonel) wrote a
memo detailing everything that the patrolmen had seen and
sent the document to his superiors at the Pentagon -- and the
most comprehensive cover-up in the history of Britain began.

But the truth has refused to remain hidden. In December 2002,
the British Ministry of Defense released a file on the
Rendlesham incident that comprised 180 pages of previously
classified memos, letters, reports and correspondence. But
despite the British government's admission that a UFO-related
incident took place near the Bentwaters and Woodbridge
airfields in 1980, the U.S. government still refuses to release
its own files about the encounter.

Now SCI FI brings you this shocking exposé, complete with
documentation, new physical evidence and firsthand accounts
by both military and civilian witnesses -- including Penniston
and Halt, who have jeopardized their reputations and military
pensions in order to seek out the truth. Join host Bryant
Gumbel as SCI FI presents its exclusive investigation of one of
the most important UFO incidents of the 20th century.

Learn about efforts to get the government to release what it
knows about UFOs

Coalition for Freedom of Information
http://www.freedomofinfo.org/

Want to report a UFO sighting? Log on to www.ufoscience.org to
file your statement.

PRESS RELEASES (PDF Files)

December 4, 2003:

SCI FI SUPPORTS NEW SCIENTIFIC INITIATIVE TO
INVESTIGATE UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENA

Exclusive: The Halt Tape

In 1984, a copy of what became known as the "Halt
Tape" fell into the hands of researchers. Unfortunately,
because of static and the fact that the tape had been
dubbed on an old machine, much of its background
conversations could not be discerned.

SCI FI has now acquired the original recording, which
documents Lt. Colonel Halt (USAF) and his patrol
investigating a UFO sighting in Rendlesham Forest in
December 1980. This tape not only reveals much more
of the background conversations but features names
that could not be heard on the poor-quality 1984 dub.
http://www.scifi.com/rendlesham/

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THE EIGHTFOLD PATH
Part Five: ISOLATION
by Inanna Arthen

Excerpt:
http://www.earthspirit.org/fireheart/fhefiso.html

"... At the farthest extreme, sensory deprivation
and perceptual deprivation experiments in
laboratories have explored the influence of
isolation, not just from other people, but from
the physical world itself. Sensory deprivation,
as achieved in flotation tanks like those popular-
ized by John Lilly [<http://www.johnclilly.com/>]
[<http://www.levity.com/mavericks/lily-int.htm>
and the film, Altered States, attempts as far as
possible to isolate the very mind, throwing it
completely upon its own resources - or upon input
from other than the five senses being restricted.
Subjects in sensory deprivation experiments
report a wide variety of consistent effects,
including vivid and complex hallucinations,
memory recall, changes in body image, and
persistent, vivid dreams. Flotation tank subjects
who worked with John Lilly found that when the
mind is isolated from the body itself, it begins
to freely recreate reality. In very short periods
of time, Lilly's subjects experienced vivid
dreamlike encounters. memory playbacks, mythic
visualizations and other effects.

"Although sensory deprivation experiments are
intriguing, they obviously represent an
unnecessary extreme. Social isolation for
extended periods accomplishes equally dramatic
results. But why should simple isolation -
voluntary separation from human company - have
such a profound effect?

"Our definition of what we call 'reality' is created
by our minds based on several factors that all
affect one another. We tend to imagine that what
we experience through our senses is 'reality.'
In fact, what we think about our sensory input
controls not only our interpretation of our senses,
but what perceptions are allowed to make an
impression at all. Our minds are excellent editors,
and they have been trained in this way by the
constant cues we receive from other people in our
environment. The urge to conform to social patterns
is an overwhelming one. Human beings have proven
themselves capable of adapting not only to the
social structure of thousands of incredibly varied
cultures. but also to the structures of non-human
societies. From the moment we are born, we respond
to countless visual, verbal, emotional and even
psychic cues, which teach us how to build our inner
models of the world. This web of social reinforcement
is so addictive that most people experience great
anxiety when they are separated from it - isolation,
with no other uncomfortable conditions, is recognized
as a source of extreme stress. In the absence of
actual people, individuals in our society often rely
on the constant reinforcement of television or radio.
The instant that societal cues are removed, our grasp
of consensual reality begins to decay.

"Witches, shamans and other kinds of magick workers
often lived on the fringes of their society, and
therefore always occupied a frame of reference that
was more or less different from that of their
community. At the extreme, such a person may have
acted in bizarre ways, responding to perceptions
that were invisible to other people. In other cases,
the magick worker was able to effectively live in
both worlds, acting as a translator or conduit.
But in order to maintain this position she had to
stay semi-isolated. This is often true for Witches
and Pagans today. Many of us grew up more or less
isolated from our social peer group, and our personal
reality includes many concepts that we easily forget
are not shared by those around us. The training of a
magick worker, now as in the past, involves the
restructuring of his or her experience of reality
more than it does the imparting of specific skills.
We cannot learn to travel on the astral plane until
the astral plane is included in our definition of
reality. In order to accomplish this restructuring,
a certain degree of detachment from society is
needed. Serious students of magick may withdraw
from old friends and begin spending far more time
alone than they once did.

"But living apart from society, and, hence, in a
slightly different reality, is not the same as
applying isolation as a specific magickal tool.
When we choose to isolate ourselves from other
people and turn away from the cushion of human
society in a concentrated, controlled way, we are
thrown into confrontation with ourselves.
By deliberately separating from the consensual web
for an extended period (closing our door, turning
off the television, walking into the woods), we
open ourselves to a profound - and possibly
permanent - change. Cutoff from the unending stream
of external cues, the mind begins to rely upon its
own perceptions to fill in the growing cracks. We
find ourselves seeking more and more perceptual
material, and doorways that we were taught to close
long ago slowly creak open." [...] -- INANNA ARTHEN

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- - - - - -=oOo=- - - - - -
Towards an Understanding of Their Conceivable Synergy
With the Near-Death Experience


::: On Psychedelics and the Near-Death Experience :::

Following are two excerpts from the controversial book _Life After
Life: Survival of Bodily Death_ by Raymond A. Moody, Jr., M.D., 1975,
Mockingbird Books:

"One of the assumptions of modern medical pharmacology is the notion,
which also seems to have gained acceptance among the great mass of
laymen in our society, that psychoactive drugs cause the psychic
episodes with which their use is associated.

"These psychic events are therefore considered to be "unreal,"
"hallucinatory," "delusional," or "only in the mynde." One must
remember, however, that this view is by no means universally accepted;
there is another view of the relationship between drugs and
experiences attending their use.

"I refer to the Initiatory and exploratory use of what we call
"hallucinogenic" drugs. Through the ages, men have turned to such
psychoactive compounds in their quest to achieve other states of
consciousness and to reach other planes of reality. Thus, drug use
has historically been associated, not only with medicine and the
treatment of disease, but also with religion and the attainment of
Enlightenment.

"For example, in the well-publicised rituals of the peyote cult found
among American Indians in the western United States, the peyote cactus
plant (which contains the substance mescaline) is ingested in order to
attain religious visions and Enlightenment.

"There are similar cults all over the world, and their members share
the belief that the drug they employ provides a means of passage into
Other Dimensions of reality. Assuming this viewpoint to be valid, it
could be hypothesised that drug use would be only one pathway among
many leading to the achievement of Enlightenment and to the discovery
of Other Realms of existence.

"The experience of dying could, then, be another such pathway, and all
this would account for the resemblance of drug-induced experiences to
near-death experiences.


::: On Psuicide and the Near-Death Experience :::

Question:
-----------
Have you ever interviewed anyone who has had a near-death experience
in association with a suicide attempt? If so, was the experience any
different?

Answer:
---------
"I do know of a few cases in which a suicide attempt was the cause of
the apparent "death." These experiences were uniformly characterised
as being unpleasant.

"As one woman said, 'If you leave here a tormented soul, you will be a
tormented soul over there, too.' In short, they report that the
conflicts they had attempted suicide to escape were still present when
they died, but with added complications. In their disembodied state
they were unable to do anything about their problems, and they also
had to view the unfortunate consequences which resulted from their
acts.

"A man who was despondent about the death of his wife shot himself,
"died" as a result, and was resuscitated. He states:

"I didn't go where [my wife] was. I went to an awful place ... I
immediately saw the mistake I had made ... I thought, 'I wish I hadn't
done it.'

"Others who experienced the unpleasant "limbo" state have remarked
that they had the feeling they would be there for a long time. This
was their penalty for "breaking the rules" by trying to release
themselves prematurely from what was, in effect an "assignment" - to
fulfill a certain purpose in life.

"Such remarks coincide with what has been reported to me by several
people who "died" of other causes but who said that, while they were
in this state, it had been intimated to them that suicide was a very
unfortunate act which attended with a severe penalty. One man who had
a near-death experience after an accident said:

"While I was over there] I got the feeling that two things it was
completely forbidden for me to do would be to kill myself or to kill
another person ... If I were to commit suicide, I would be throwing
God's gift back in his face ... Killing someone else would be
interfering with God's purpose for that individual.

"Sentiments like these, which by now have been expressed to me in many
separate accounts, are identical to those embodied in the most ancient
theological and moral argument against suicide - one which occurs in
various forms in the writings of thinkers as diverse as St. Thomas
Acquinas, Locke, and Kant.

"A suicide, in Kant's view, is acting in opposition to the purposes of
God and arrives on the other side viewed as a rebel against his
creator. Acquinas argues that life is a gift from God and that it is
God's prerogative, not man's, to take it back."

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

-Blue Resonant Human, Ph.D.
Adeptus CycloHexanonium Cobaltus
Sacerdotal Knights of National Security
USENET Meme Acquisition and Propagation Directorate
"All impressions of Brother Blue are wrong."
Ryan Lankford
2003-12-18 14:31:57 UTC
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Post by Alex Cain
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Post by Alex Cain
Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him.
Politics and his own bad choices. But putting him on CBS at 5 a.m. and
having him interview contestants outed from "Survivor" pretty much sealed
the deal on his being a "serious" journalist.
Getting caught on camera saying "you're either a democrat, or you're a
racist" pretty much erased any illusion of impartiality he once had.
There isn't a journalist alive that can utter such a stupid line, and
still claim to be an unbiased source of information.

Alex, I hear you just graduated from college....congrats, man! Just
don't pick apart my posts *too* badly; I know my grammar and
punctuation sucks.

;-)


Ryan Lankford
http://www.ryan-lankford.com

"Donkeys can talk, people can fly, and a man named Jesus lives in the Sky!"
Tom Cervo
2003-12-19 00:18:12 UTC
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As one wag said, nice to see a program like this that includes "sham" right in
the title.
Alex Cain
2003-12-19 15:27:50 UTC
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Post by Ryan Lankford
Post by Alex Cain
Post by Ablang
Post by Alex Cain
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose
credibility.]
Post by Alex Cain
Bryant Gumble still has credibility?
Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
I never paid much attention to him.
Politics and his own bad choices. But putting him on CBS at 5 a.m. and
having him interview contestants outed from "Survivor" pretty much sealed
the deal on his being a "serious" journalist.
Getting caught on camera saying "you're either a democrat, or you're a
racist" pretty much erased any illusion of impartiality he once had.
There isn't a journalist alive that can utter such a stupid line, and
still claim to be an unbiased source of information.
When did he say that?
Post by Ryan Lankford
Alex, I hear you just graduated from college....congrats, man! Just
don't pick apart my posts *too* badly; I know my grammar and
punctuation sucks.
Thanks...and yes, it does. But I'll be too busy with other things to worry
about your pathetic grammar skills. ;)
Mike B.
2003-12-19 16:20:13 UTC
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Um...are you saying that any news reporter (most people vote for
sombody) has lost his good (good?) objectiveness just for a slip of
the toung?

Gumbel is strange though. He hates cheese for some reason.

Mike B
Ubiquitous
2003-12-19 17:52:05 UTC
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In rec.arts.tv Mac Breck <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

: Serious question: What was it that caused Gumble's downfall?
: I never paid much attention to him.

The asshat got too big for his britches, I'd say.

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ISLAM: Winning the hearts and minds of the world, one bomb at a time.
Jaime M. de Castellvi
2003-12-17 13:06:21 UTC
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:45:23 +0000 (UTC), Ablang
Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]
Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
(Sunday, December 07 02:30 AM)
By Kate O'Hare
"For a nonbeliever," he says, "and I probably put most Americans into that
category, the Rendlesham one will probably leave them feeling the most
ambivalent. These are people whose job was -- it sounds like an oxymoron --
military intelligence, to begin with, so they're not people who, as a rule,
see things that go bump in the night.
How like Gumbeldork to patronizingly insult the military (yeah, I know
it's an old military joke, but it's one thing for people who've served
to say it, and quite another for an oportunistic, asssucking, civilian
dweeb to be mouthing off about it).

Cheers,

Jaime
Richard
2003-12-18 16:47:01 UTC
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Post by Ablang
[Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]
Bryant Gumbel Probes a 'UFO Invasion at Rendlesham'
(Sunday, December 07 02:30 AM)
By Kate O'Hare
"For a nonbeliever," he says, "and I probably put most Americans into that
category, the Rendlesham one will probably leave them feeling the most
ambivalent. These are people whose job was -- it sounds like an oxymoron --
military intelligence, to begin with, so they're not people who, as a rule,
see things that go bump in the night.
"It remains the most convincing of the three, in my opinion, because of the
evidence and because of the character of the witnesses that said they saw
something. Has it made me a believer? No, but I confess that I don't have a
counterargument."
http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|85062|1|,00.html
Where does that affirmative action jerk-off get off criticizing
military intelligence? Filthy little Liberal scumbag wouldn't even
QUALIFY for
a job with them, or the CIA.
-Rich
Ubiquitous
2003-12-19 17:50:21 UTC
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In rec.arts.tv Ablang <***@ablang-duff.com> wrote:

: [Ed. Doing this might cause him to lose credibility.]

MIGHT?
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