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danny burstein
2024-12-14 22:06:44 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.

The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html

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2024-12-15 15:58:30 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
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The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
danny burstein
2024-12-15 16:02:28 UTC
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In <***@4ax.com> NoBody <***@nowhere.com> writes:

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The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
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NoBody
2024-12-16 12:16:08 UTC
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The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
Classic whattaboutism. We're talking about this lawsuit.
danny burstein
2024-12-16 14:46:00 UTC
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Post by NoBody
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
Classic whattaboutism. We're talking about this lawsuit.
Nope. Those of us in the reality based universe are talking
about YOU and, well, laughing.
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NoBody
2024-12-17 12:28:36 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:02:28 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
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[snip]
Post by NoBody
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
Classic whattaboutism. We're talking about this lawsuit.
Nope. Those of us in the reality based universe are talking
about YOU and, well, laughing.
Can't address ABC admitted libel I see.
BTR1701
2024-12-16 14:49:23 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:02:28 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
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[snip]
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between you
and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
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Classic whattaboutism. We're talking about this lawsuit.
moviePig
2024-12-16 17:35:15 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:02:28 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between you
and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
Post by NoBody
...
Such a sweeping condemnation of "media" would certainly require a better
example than this one. The jury found Trump guilty of sexual abuse,
which Stephanopolous disambiguated to 'rape', probably thinking it an
allowable colloquial equivalence ...trying to deplore. not deceive.
NoBody
2024-12-17 12:29:56 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:02:28 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between you
and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
Post by NoBody
...
Such a sweeping condemnation of "media" would certainly require a better
example than this one. The jury found Trump guilty of sexual abuse,
which Stephanopolous disambiguated to 'rape', probably thinking it an
allowable colloquial equivalence ...trying to deplore. not deceive.
There is no "disambiguation" involved. Trump was charged and found
not guility of rape.

Damn...
moviePig
2024-12-17 16:54:25 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
[snip]
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between you
and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
Post by NoBody
...
Such a sweeping condemnation of "media" would certainly require a better
example than this one. The jury found Trump guilty of sexual abuse,
which Stephanopolous disambiguated to 'rape', probably thinking it an
allowable colloquial equivalence ...trying to deplore. not deceive.
There is no "disambiguation" involved. Trump was charged and found
not guility of rape.
Damn...
He was found not guilty of New York rape. He was found guilty of what
some states -- and many people -- classify as rape. ABC is paying $15m
for the careful distinction that Trump didn't, in fact, use his dick...
NoBody
2024-12-18 12:27:08 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:02:28 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between you
and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
Post by NoBody
...
Such a sweeping condemnation of "media" would certainly require a better
example than this one. The jury found Trump guilty of sexual abuse,
which Stephanopolous disambiguated to 'rape', probably thinking it an
allowable colloquial equivalence ...trying to deplore. not deceive.
There is no "disambiguation" involved. Trump was charged and found
not guility of rape.
Damn...
He was found not guilty of New York rape. He was found guilty of what
some states -- and many people -- classify as rape. ABC is paying $15m
for the careful distinction that Trump didn't, in fact, use his dick...
ABC was used for saying that he was convincted of rape when he was
not.

It's quite simple.
Ubiquitous
2024-12-17 18:24:59 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
He said "the media" admits they lie. That includes Fox. They *all* lie,
they're *all* garbage, they're *all* propaganda. The difference between
you and me is that I don't ignore it when the lies go to my advantage.
Such a sweeping condemnation of "media" would certainly require a better
example than this one. The jury found Trump guilty of sexual abuse,
which Stephanopolous disambiguated to 'rape', probably thinking it an
allowable colloquial equivalence ...trying to deplore. not deceive.
There is no "disambiguation" involved. Trump was charged and found
not guility of rape.
That's moviepig's way of telling you he has lost the debate.

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Ubiquitous
2024-12-16 09:31:06 UTC
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The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
You mean for the claims that ended up being true?

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danny burstein
2024-12-16 15:00:15 UTC
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The media now admits that they lie in their reporting. This is
progress indeed.
Hey, "nobody", how' about that near BILLION dollars your beloved
Fox News had to pay out to Smartmatic?
You mean for the claims that ended up being true?
hey, ubi, how much is in YOUR wallet?
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Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-15 16:54:39 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".

Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.

Stephanopolous works for ABC News and is held to standards of
journalism, and not the public's common misuse of the word "rape". While
"rape" as a form of battery has a legal definition, it's not obscure nor
is it difficult to understand that while some batteries are rape, others
are not applying the legal definition. Stephanopolous doesn't get to
second guess the jury finding either.

Trump was defamed, yes, but should have been awarded nominal damages for
the difference in reputational harm between "rape" and "sexual assault",
say $1 and no award of legal fees.

Sounds like Stephanopoulos tried to brow beat Nancy Mace (Republican
member of Congress from South Carolina first district) during that
interview into withdrawing her support for Trump due to the jury
finding. She can't sue over that as everything's fair in politics.

From linked stories, E Jean Carroll sued Trump, in a case that went to
trial in 2023, for raping her in a department store dressing room in
1996. It says that the jury found there was a battery but that it was
not a rape. Instead it found sexual abuse had occurred.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-liable-rape-carroll-b2335570.html
suzeeq
2024-12-15 19:54:45 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
Stephanopolous works for ABC News and is held to standards of
journalism, and not the public's common misuse of the word "rape". While
"rape" as a form of battery has a legal definition, it's not obscure nor
is it difficult to understand that while some batteries are rape, others
are not applying the legal definition. Stephanopolous doesn't get to
second guess the jury finding either.
Trump was defamed, yes, but should have been awarded nominal damages for
the difference in reputational harm between "rape" and "sexual assault",
say $1 and no award of legal fees.
Sounds like Stephanopoulos tried to brow beat Nancy Mace (Republican
member of Congress from South Carolina first district) during that
interview into withdrawing her support for Trump due to the jury
finding. She can't sue over that as everything's fair in politics.
From linked stories, E Jean Carroll sued Trump, in a case that went to
trial in 2023, for raping her in a department store dressing room in
1996. It says that the jury found there was a battery but that it was
not a rape. Instead it found sexual abuse had occurred.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-liable-rape-carroll-b2335570.html
I thought it was technically not rape by NY law, it is in other
jurisdictions. Penetration occurred, even if not genitally.
NoBody
2024-12-16 12:22:12 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
From your cited article:

"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”

Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.

Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”

“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."

Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
moviePig
2024-12-16 17:40:22 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
NoBody
2024-12-17 12:31:01 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
moviePig
2024-12-17 16:57:19 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
NoBody
2024-12-18 12:28:10 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.

End of story.
suzeeq
2024-12-18 15:50:15 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
BTR1701
2024-12-18 18:56:50 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
EGK
2024-12-18 19:04:41 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
In many jurisdictions, New York's Democrat run courts look like something
out of a 3rd world banana republic. Democrats love that as long as the
decicions go their way.
moviePig
2024-12-18 19:58:23 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
super70s
2024-12-19 11:49:58 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-19 15:04:43 UTC
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. . .
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
As super70s is relying on discussing facts as accurately reported, he's
unemployable as a member of the mainstream media. Too bad George
Stephanopolous chose to ignore the most basic tenets of journalism; he'd
have saved his employer $15 million.
moviePig
2024-12-19 17:15:53 UTC
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Post by moviePig
. . .
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
As super70s is relying on discussing facts as accurately reported, he's
unemployable as a member of the mainstream media. Too bad George
Stephanopolous chose to ignore the most basic tenets of journalism; he'd
have saved his employer $15 million.
He made a sincere (and for all practical purposes, piddling) error. I'm
not sure why a simple retraction was judged insufficient.
NoBody
2024-12-20 12:06:26 UTC
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Post by moviePig
. . .
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
As super70s is relying on discussing facts as accurately reported, he's
unemployable as a member of the mainstream media. Too bad George
Stephanopolous chose to ignore the most basic tenets of journalism; he'd
have saved his employer $15 million.
He made a sincere (and for all practical purposes, piddling) error. I'm
not sure why a simple retraction was judged insufficient.
Over 10 times?

Laughter.
moviePig
2024-12-20 18:07:26 UTC
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Post by moviePig
. . .
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
As super70s is relying on discussing facts as accurately reported, he's
unemployable as a member of the mainstream media. Too bad George
Stephanopolous chose to ignore the most basic tenets of journalism; he'd
have saved his employer $15 million.
He made a sincere (and for all practical purposes, piddling) error. I'm
not sure why a simple retraction was judged insufficient.
Over 10 times?
Laughter.
10 separate occasions?
moviePig
2024-12-19 17:27:04 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-
politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-
b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that*
fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
Did the jury weigh in on the specific question of whether NY's legal
definition of 'rape' had been met, or was it an instruction to them?
I'm content to let Big Daddy go down in the history books as an
adjudicated sexual abuser instead of a convicted rapist. Because that's
what happened, there's no wiggling out of it by his apologists.
Actually, I'm astonished that Trump-supporters are wiggling in public...
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-19 01:31:39 UTC
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Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth. Whether
the bad act the jury was convinced Trump had committed was misstated to
be the criminal code definition of "rape" rather than "sexual assault"
is defamatory harm on a level of calling a criminal a "kidnapper" when
in fact the crime met the definition of "unlawful detention" instead.

Let's look at the $15 million for what it really is: A payment in
tribute to Trump so he doesn't push Congress to amend the Telecon Act so
that ABC is required to pay full value on all those broadcast licenses
and cable is no longer subject to "must carry or recipricol
compensation", which is how all those unwatched satellite channels get
bundled with broadcast tv to the detriment of cable subscribers.

Let's stop kidding ourselves here.
NoBody
2024-12-19 12:31:32 UTC
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Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
moviePig
2024-12-19 17:19:59 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
shawn
2024-12-19 19:44:07 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
He's already talking about the various media outlets/personas he
intends to sue. Trying to keep him appeased just makes business sense,
as you say.
NoBody
2024-12-20 12:01:33 UTC
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Post by NoBody
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
He's already talking about the various media outlets/personas he
intends to sue. Trying to keep him appeased just makes business sense,
as you say.
Yeah, accountability is tough isn't it...
super70s
2024-12-20 13:04:58 UTC
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Post by shawn
Post by moviePig
Post by NoBody
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
He's already talking about the various media outlets/personas he
intends to sue. Trying to keep him appeased just makes business sense,
as you say.
Yeah, accountability is tough isn't it...
It's tough to get for the approximately two dozen women who have come
forward under their own name accused him of sexual misconduct or
assault over the years.

"It's all political" you may say. Did two dozen women come forward
under their own name and accuse George W. Bush (or George H.W. Bush,
Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Dwight Eisenhower, etc.) of sexual
misconduct, or is Trump just the victim of some huge conspiracy?
moviePig
2024-12-20 18:09:10 UTC
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Post by shawn
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Post by NoBody
On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain
*that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven.  It's bad business.
He's already talking about the various media outlets/personas he
intends to sue. Trying to keep him appeased just makes business sense,
as you say.
Yeah, accountability is tough isn't it...
It's tough to get for the approximately two dozen women who have come
forward under their own name accused him of sexual misconduct or assault
over the years.
"It's all political" you may say. Did two dozen women come forward under
their own name and accuse George W. Bush (or George H.W. Bush, Ronald
Reagan, Richard Nixon, Dwight Eisenhower, etc.) of sexual misconduct, or
is Trump just the victim of some huge conspiracy?
A conspiracy of pussies grabbing Trump...
NoBody
2024-12-20 11:59:33 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the
sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of
story.
moviePig
2024-12-20 18:10:29 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
Umm... giant corporations don't piss off sitting Presidents, especially
not one who's vengeance-driven. It's bad business.
Enough about Biden. What about Trump? BTW Trump is not yet the
sitting President and it never stopped the media before so your claim
is ridiculous. ABC was caught in libel and paid big time. End of
story.
Not the "end of story" just because you stop reading.
EGK
2024-12-19 17:53:45 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
shawn
2024-12-19 19:42:58 UTC
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Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said
something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Adam H. Kerman
2024-12-20 04:54:28 UTC
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. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said
something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
"Guilt" is a finding by the trier of facts, either the jury or the judge
if a bench trial, in a criminal trial. Factually, Stephanopolous is
neither and therefore cannot render a verdict.

Why do you find it necessary to apologize for Stephanopolous? Fact: He
didn't behave like a professional journalist despite being bound by
journalism standards. Fact: Because Stephanopolous behaved badly, he
cost his employer $15 million.

He cost his employer big bucks but not because he was standing on
principle, like refusing to divulge the name of a whistleblower as
demanded by the police. He just wanted to embellish.

He's a fuckhead, shawn. He's too dumb to stand up to Trump.

You're wrong here.
NoBody
2024-12-20 12:04:02 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said
something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
moviePig
2024-12-20 18:12:54 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 01:31:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by BTR1701
Post by suzeeq
Post by NoBody
Post by moviePig
. . .
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
But he wasn't in other jurisdictions.
The harm to Donald Trump wws nominal. not $15 million worth.
ABC obviously felt otherwise given that they caved so quickly.
They didnt want to go through discovery and be exposed as the biased
organization most of the media is. ABC producers warned Stephanopolous not
to use the term "rape" and he just thumbed his nose at them and did it
repeatedly anyway.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/media/abc-parent-disney-didnt-think-it-would-beat-trump-in-court-report/
He could still likely have gotten away with it if he had said
something like "I think he's guilty of rape" while still giving the
official legal facts.
Let's not forget he was verbally attacking a rape victim during the
interview. Way to go Boy George.
No, he was verbally (albeit indirectly) attacking a rapist.
NoBody
2024-12-19 12:29:59 UTC
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George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.

End of story.
moviePig
2024-12-19 17:24:55 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
Twice a pussy-grabber, twice elected anyway...
NoBody
2024-12-20 12:07:29 UTC
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Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
moviePig
2024-12-20 18:18:31 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
Post by Adam H. Kerman
Post by danny burstein
George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
specific legal issues.
He did not say "guilty".
Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
Post by danny burstein
The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
Presidential library...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
"rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
facts.
"“Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
rape by a jury,” Stephonopoulos said on ABC’s This Week at the time.
“It’s been affirmed by a judge.”
Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
him.
Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll’s
failure to “prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New
York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’”
“Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,” US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
wrote."
Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
worth the bytes it would take.
Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her. Explain *that* fact.
Trump was not convicted of rape. ABC said he was. They lied.
End of story.
In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
No one cares. He was charge and found not guilty.
End of story.
Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
It's not technical. It's fact. Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
in technicalities.
It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
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