Harris DOJ Sues to Stop States from Deleting Non-Citizens from Voting Rolls

[BTR1701]

How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?

https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840

DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!

ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?

THEM: <crickets>

Here's a little geo-political history for y'all:


France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.

Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.

Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.

Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.

Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.

Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.

Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.

No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.

No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.

In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their damnedest
to get instituted everywhere.

42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.

Countries that require a photo ID to vote:

United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia
Israel
Latvia
Russia
France
Mexico
Austria
Ireland
Poland
Greece
Croatia
Finland
Estonia
Belgium
Sweden
Bulgaria
Portugal
Hungary
Ecuador
Slovenia
Slovakia
Romania
Denmark
Germany
Lithuania
Argentina
Columbia
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Luxembourg
Netherlands
South Africa
Czech Republic
(Just to name a few)

Gosh, the world is just full of racist countries, huh?

[Ubiquitous]

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to
KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!

It's a shame the FPP sockpuppet was retired. I'd love to see him try to
argue that point. Well, maybe not.

Post by BTR1701
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

After AlGore tried to steal the election in 2000, a commitee was formed to
study voter integrity and they concluded that mail-in voting was full of
fraud.


--
"The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,"
-- DoJ-certified imbecile Joe Biden

[BTR1701]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to
KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!

It's a shame the FPP sockpuppet was retired. I'd love to see him try to
argue that point. Well, maybe not.

Post by BTR1701
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

After AlGore tried to steal the election in 2000, a commitee was formed to
study voter integrity and they concluded that mail-in voting was full of
fraud.

https://ibb.co/MhSWW6C

[Rhino]

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>
France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.
Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.
Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.
Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.
No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.
No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.
In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their damnedest
to get instituted everywhere.
42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, our last
Conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, got legislation passed
requiring photo ID but it got challenged and very soon there were
exceptions made that allowed a companion to vouch for you with a verbal
declaration like "I know this person and he/she is a Canadian citizen".


Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)

https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e

Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Post by BTR1701
Israel
Latvia
Russia
France
Mexico
Austria
Ireland
Poland
Greece
Croatia
Finland
Estonia
Belgium
Sweden
Bulgaria
Portugal
Hungary
Ecuador
Slovenia
Slovakia
Romania
Denmark
Germany
Lithuania
Argentina
Columbia
Botswana
Zimbabwe
Luxembourg
Netherlands
South Africa
Czech Republic
(Just to name a few)
Gosh, the world is just full of racist countries, huh?

[BTR1701]

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>
France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.
Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.
Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.
Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.
No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.
No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.
In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their damnedest
to get instituted everywhere.
42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, our last
Conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, got legislation passed
requiring photo ID but it got challenged and very soon there were
exceptions made that allowed a companion to vouch for you with a verbal
declaration like "I know this person and he/she is a Canadian citizen".
Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Even if you have some exception to the law, it's still the law for the vast
majority of cases and the Canadidian government hasn't declared voter ID to be
per se racist-- as Biden did when Georgia passed a voter ID law. He called it
Jim Crow 2.0. Of course after the next election when more blacks voted than
ever before in Georgia's history, it was a little hard for them to keep
arguing that requiring an ID suppresses the minority vote.

Here in California, Emperor Newsom has decreed it to be a vile, racist policy
and signed a law to outlaw voter ID statewide after Huntington Beach passed an
ID requirement. (Huntington Beach is Newsom's arch-enemy. They do everything
they can to thwart Newsom's radical leftism and so are frequent targets of his
wrath.)

The reason we can't voter ID in California is because they went to all the
trouble to legalize ballot harvesting and requiring voters to have an ID to
vote really throws a wrench into that fraud machine.

If Kammie wins the swing states next week despite all the polling to the
contrary, this is reason:


https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1852047432504295424/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/FY5SYk6B7-yoSmL8.mp4?tag=12

Bus-fuls of non-English speaking "citizens" in Pennsylvania arrive at the
polling place and are guided past Americans who have been waiting in line for
hours to cast their early votes. (Everything about illegals apparently
involves jumping the line ahead of people who doing things the right way.)

These people, all wearing Harris-Walz stickers, were directed through the
voting process by a handful of "translators" who I'm sure weren't telling them
who to vote for or anything.

[Rhino]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>
France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.
Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.
Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.
Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.
No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.
No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.
In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their damnedest
to get instituted everywhere.
42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, our last
Conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, got legislation passed
requiring photo ID but it got challenged and very soon there were
exceptions made that allowed a companion to vouch for you with a verbal
declaration like "I know this person and he/she is a Canadian citizen".
Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Even if you have some exception to the law, it's still the law for the vast
majority of cases and the Canadidian government hasn't declared voter ID to be
per se racist-- as Biden did when Georgia passed a voter ID law. He called it
Jim Crow 2.0. Of course after the next election when more blacks voted than
ever before in Georgia's history, it was a little hard for them to keep
arguing that requiring an ID suppresses the minority vote.
Here in California, Emperor Newsom has decreed it to be a vile, racist policy
and signed a law to outlaw voter ID statewide after Huntington Beach passed an
ID requirement. (Huntington Beach is Newsom's arch-enemy. They do everything
they can to thwart Newsom's radical leftism and so are frequent targets of his
wrath.)
The reason we can't voter ID in California is because they went to all the
trouble to legalize ballot harvesting and requiring voters to have an ID to
vote really throws a wrench into that fraud machine.
If Kammie wins the swing states next week despite all the polling to the
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1852047432504295424/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/FY5SYk6B7-yoSmL8.mp4?tag=12
Bus-fuls of non-English speaking "citizens" in Pennsylvania arrive at the
polling place and are guided past Americans who have been waiting in line for
hours to cast their early votes. (Everything about illegals apparently
involves jumping the line ahead of people who doing things the right way.)
These people, all wearing Harris-Walz stickers, were directed through the
voting process by a handful of "translators" who I'm sure weren't telling them
who to vote for or anything.

How do they justify having these "citizens" jump to the head of the
line? Oh wait, I'll bet they don't justify it at all, they just do it,
right? It's just massively wrong of them to do that kind of crap.

The whole voting system needs some major reforms. Photo ID for everyone.
Purge voter lists of non-citizens, dead people, people who have moved.

I'm also very dubious about mail-in voting. I saw one video about the
recent UK election that said Muslim men were using mail-in ballots to
disenfranchise the women in the household who voted: the man would
simply mark all the ballots for the candidate that he wanted without
even asking the women who they wanted. I'm not sure how anyone could
PROVE that - and particularly prove the scale of it - but the potential
for it certainly exists in a culture that justifies murder of its own
family members for "honour" violations like wearing makeup or not being
subservient to the man of the house. Mail-in voting *may* be reasonable
during a pandemic but I'm not convinced: we had an election in 2021
during lockdown and I voted in person without coming down with the Wuhan
flu.

And why is there so much pressure on people from both parties to
participate in early voting? I get that early voting is valuable for
people that are going to be away from home on election day but I can't
believe that the millions of people who have already voted were all
going to be away on Election Day. The other reasonable argument is that
early voting reduces lineups on Election Day but I'm not sure that has
much merit given the hours-long lines for the early voting days.

If lines are very long, the answer would appear to be more polling
places and/or more booths at each of the existing ones. I can see that
long lines would tend to discourage voting so that really should be
addressed. I've NEVER had to stand in line for more than a few MINUTES
at any Canadian election. Maybe you need to hire some of our election
officials to get some guidance on our techniques? (Of course the main
technique is to go at times when most people are at work, which I'll
give away for free in this post.)

[BTR1701]

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to
KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>
42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, our last
Conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, got legislation passed
requiring photo ID but it got challenged and very soon there were
exceptions made that allowed a companion to vouch for you with a verbal
declaration like "I know this person and he/she is a Canadian citizen".
Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Even if you have some exception to the law, it's still the law for the vast
majority of cases and the Canadidian government hasn't declared voter ID to be
per se racist-- as Biden did when Georgia passed a voter ID law. He called it
Jim Crow 2.0. Of course after the next election when more blacks voted than
ever before in Georgia's history, it was a little hard for them to keep
arguing that requiring an ID suppresses the minority vote.
Here in California, Emperor Newsom has decreed it to be a vile, racist policy
and signed a law to outlaw voter ID statewide after Huntington Beach passed an
ID requirement. (Huntington Beach is Newsom's arch-enemy. They do everything
they can to thwart Newsom's radical leftism and so are frequent targets of his
wrath.)
The reason we can't voter ID in California is because they went to all the
trouble to legalize ballot harvesting and requiring voters to have an ID to
vote really throws a wrench into that fraud machine.
If Kammie wins the swing states next week despite all the polling to the
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1852047432504295424/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/FY5SYk6B7-yoSmL8.mp4?tag=12
Bus-fuls of non-English speaking "citizens" in Pennsylvania arrive at the
polling place and are guided past Americans who have been waiting in line for
hours to cast their early votes. (Everything about illegals apparently
involves jumping the line ahead of people who doing things the right way.)
These people, all wearing Harris-Walz stickers, were directed through the
voting process by a handful of "translators" who I'm sure weren't telling them
who to vote for or anything.

How do they justify having these "citizens" jump to the head of the
line? Oh wait, I'll bet they don't justify it at all, they just do it,
right? It's just massively wrong of them to do that kind of crap.
The whole voting system needs some major reforms. Photo ID for everyone.
Purge voter lists of non-citizens, dead people, people who have moved.
I'm also very dubious about mail-in voting. I saw one video about the
recent UK election that said Muslim men were using mail-in ballots to
disenfranchise the women in the household who voted: the man would
simply mark all the ballots for the candidate that he wanted without
even asking the women who they wanted. I'm not sure how anyone could
PROVE that - and particularly prove the scale of it - but the potential
for it certainly exists

Yes, that was brought up here, too, when they were debating whether to make
mail voting a permanent thing after the Wuhan Flu. The 'progressive' Democrats
in the legislature, who love to brag about they fight for minorities and women
and the marginalized, literally said they didn't care if some women lost their
vote to controlling spouses. There was too much opportunity to rig things with
mailed ballots for such considerations to get in the way.

It's always darkly amusing when circumstances force 'progressives' to reveal
exactly how little they actually care about all the shit they claim to care
about.

Like how the eco-kooks here in L.A. went radio silent when it was revealed
that the vagrants had invaded the Ballona Wetlands, a state nature sanctuary
and federal 'environmentally sensitive area', which is the habitat of several
endangered species.

The vagrants were dumping their poo, their meth chemicals, oil and gas from
their broken-down RVs, lighting things on fire, and just generally stomping
the area flat with their feet and tents and trash mountains, and the city and
state governments were doing noting to stop it. Any attempt to do anything
with the wetlands-- you know, something constructive like building homes or
stores or roads-- would normally bring the eco-kooks out of the woodwork,
screeching and screaming and threatening lawsuits. But when it's vagrants
fouling a nature preserve, they said nothing. Even when specifically reached
for comment by the media, they had nothing to say. You see, they'd been taken
aside and told by the 'progressive' powers-that-be exactly where the
environment sits on the Progressive Intersectionality Hierarchy of Victimhood,
and they were below the vagrants. So they tucked their tails and ran away.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by Rhino
Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)

In fairness anyone 'vouching' has to have government issued ID
(typically a driver's licence or medical card which in BC are the same
card) and at least in the election I worked in, the vouching person
has their personal information (Name, address) recorded.

Don't know about seniors centers but know that there is one catering
to Italians and another to Croatians in Vancouver. Of course by now
it's the children and grandchildren of the original emigrant.

[anim8rfsk]

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701

Post by Rhino

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>
France banned mail-in voting in 1975 due to fraud.
Mexico banned mail-in voting in 1992 due to fraud.
Belgium banned mail-in voting in 2018 due to fraud.
Sweden rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Italy rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Ukraine rejected a mail-in voting proposal.
Russia and Japan do not permit mail-in voting.
No Middle Eastern country permits mail-in voting.
No Latin American country permits mail-in voting.
In the United States, Democrats love mail-in voting and trying their damnedest
to get instituted everywhere.
42 out of 50 states in the United States do not require a photo ID to vote.
United Kingdom
Italy
Chile
Spain
Malta
Brazil
Canadia

I don't think that's true. If I remember correctly, our last
Conservative Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, got legislation passed
requiring photo ID but it got challenged and very soon there were
exceptions made that allowed a companion to vouch for you with a verbal
declaration like "I know this person and he/she is a Canadian citizen".
Hmm. I just checked on the Elections Canada website and it verifies that
someone who knows you (or claims to know you) can vouch for you even if
you have no ID at all. The person doing the vouching can only vouch for
one person (at that polling station) EXCEPT in a long term care facility
where there is apparently no limit. (I assume this is for the sake of
seniors that may not have other family around so that staff can vouch
for them but it seems like a loophole that could be exploited by going
to a nursing home that has lots of foreign born people that maybe never
have gotten citizenship and then have them cast votes for a particular
candidate. I've seen articles mentioning such places, like a nursing
home for Italians alone or Albanians alone or whatever; they'll be
private facilities and usually small but it's still something that could
be exploited.)
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e
Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Even if you have some exception to the law, it's still the law for the vast
majority of cases and the Canadidian government hasn't declared voter ID to be
per se racist-- as Biden did when Georgia passed a voter ID law. He called it
Jim Crow 2.0. Of course after the next election when more blacks voted than
ever before in Georgia's history, it was a little hard for them to keep
arguing that requiring an ID suppresses the minority vote.
Here in California, Emperor Newsom has decreed it to be a vile, racist policy
and signed a law to outlaw voter ID statewide after Huntington Beach passed an
ID requirement. (Huntington Beach is Newsom's arch-enemy. They do everything
they can to thwart Newsom's radical leftism and so are frequent targets of his
wrath.)
The reason we can't voter ID in California is because they went to all the
trouble to legalize ballot harvesting and requiring voters to have an ID to
vote really throws a wrench into that fraud machine.
If Kammie wins the swing states next week despite all the polling to the
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1852047432504295424/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/FY5SYk6B7-yoSmL8.mp4?tag=12
Bus-fuls of non-English speaking "citizens" in Pennsylvania arrive at the
polling place and are guided past Americans who have been waiting in line for
hours to cast their early votes. (Everything about illegals apparently
involves jumping the line ahead of people who doing things the right way.)
These people, all wearing Harris-Walz stickers, were directed through the
voting process by a handful of "translators" who I'm sure weren't telling them
who to vote for or anything.

How do they justify having these "citizens" jump to the head of the
line? Oh wait, I'll bet they don't justify it at all, they just do it,
right? It's just massively wrong of them to do that kind of crap.
The whole voting system needs some major reforms. Photo ID for everyone.
Purge voter lists of non-citizens, dead people, people who have moved.
I'm also very dubious about mail-in voting. I saw one video about the
recent UK election that said Muslim men were using mail-in ballots to
disenfranchise the women in the household who voted: the man would
simply mark all the ballots for the candidate that he wanted without
even asking the women who they wanted. I'm not sure how anyone could
PROVE that - and particularly prove the scale of it - but the potential
for it certainly exists in a culture that justifies murder of its own
family members for "honour" violations like wearing makeup or not being
subservient to the man of the house. Mail-in voting *may* be reasonable
during a pandemic but I'm not convinced: we had an election in 2021
during lockdown and I voted in person without coming down with the Wuhan
flu.
And why is there so much pressure on people from both parties to
participate in early voting? I get that early voting is valuable for
people that are going to be away from home on election day but I can't
believe that the millions of people who have already voted were all
going to be away on Election Day. The other reasonable argument is that
early voting reduces lineups on Election Day but I'm not sure that has
much merit given the hours-long lines for the early voting days.
If lines are very long, the answer would appear to be more polling
places and/or more booths at each of the existing ones. I can see that
long lines would tend to discourage voting so that really should be
addressed. I've NEVER had to stand in line for more than a few MINUTES
at any Canadian election. Maybe you need to hire some of our election
officials to get some guidance on our techniques? (Of course the main
technique is to go at times when most people are at work, which I'll
give away for free in this post.)

Four years ago, my mail in ballot was stolen. (they send you an email with
a picture of it telling you it’s going to arrive in the next couple days
and then it doesn’t so you know exactly who stole it and you can reply and
say you never got it but nothing more happens) and since it was too late to
request another, I tried to go to my polling place, but the news broke that
the machine had been sabotaged and it was a minimum three hour wait
standing outside. So I ended up not voting. And they’re still yelling at us
that they checked into it and there Was no interference with the election.

[Pluted Pup]

Post by anim8rfsk
Four years ago, my mail in ballot was stolen. (they send you an email with
a picture of it telling you it´s going to arrive in the next couple days
and then it doesn´t so you know exactly who stole it and you can reply and
say you never got it but nothing more happens) and since it was too late to
request another, I tried to go to my polling place, but the news broke that
the machine had been sabotaged and it was a minimum three hour wait
standing outside. So I ended up not voting. And they´re still yelling at us
that they checked into it and there Was no interference with the election.

What do you mean, you are sent an email with a sample
ballot image or are they sending you an image of
a ballot with a serial number on it, connecting
your email address with your ballot?

[The Horny Goat]

Post by BTR1701
Even if you have some exception to the law, it's still the law for the vast
majority of cases and the Canadidian government hasn't declared voter ID to be
per se racist-- as Biden did when Georgia passed a voter ID law. He called it
Jim Crow 2.0. Of course after the next election when more blacks voted than
ever before in Georgia's history, it was a little hard for them to keep
arguing that requiring an ID suppresses the minority vote.
Here in California, Emperor Newsom has decreed it to be a vile, racist policy
and signed a law to outlaw voter ID statewide after Huntington Beach passed an
ID requirement. (Huntington Beach is Newsom's arch-enemy. They do everything
they can to thwart Newsom's radical leftism and so are frequent targets of his
wrath.)

I dunno - in Canada while you have to have ID when you go to vote,
they're pretty liberal on what they'll accept as long as it has your
full name and current address. When I went to vote two weeks ago,
they queried when I presented my driver's licence since I go by a
shortened for of my middle name so after I told them that I produced
my Visa card and said "so will THIS do?" which he accepted and handed
me my ballot.

[The Horny Goat]

Post by BTR1701
The reason we can't voter ID in California is because they went to all the
trouble to legalize ballot harvesting and requiring voters to have an ID to
vote really throws a wrench into that fraud machine.

As a matter of principle I object to ballots being left anywhere other
than a box under the control of the poll clerks. Thus I think "ballot
harvesting" is simply ASKING for voter fraud as it's not attended
during the entire time of voting.

(And I have served as a voting scrutineer on election days multiple
times)

[BTR1701]

Post by Rhino
Since we are so close to the US geographically, we are subject to all
the same activism and the same nonsense gets heard here about "voter
suppression". Trudeau being the woke bozo that he is apparently made
sure that he couldn't be accused of allowing voter suppression.

Remember, the people who who are against voter ID are the same people who
wanted to force you to show vaccine papers just to buy food.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.

You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.

Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.

You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.

You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes. No one
would routinely carry such documents. Proper verification would be quite
time consuming. The result would be to deny quite a few legitimate
voters their right to vote.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
No one would routinely carry such documents.

Thanks to Harris, now we need to.

[moviePig]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
No one would routinely carry such documents.

Thanks to Harris, now we need to.

...because an illegal's dearest wish upon coming into the U.S.is to
commit a low-gain high-cost felony like voter fraud. (Hell, you can't
even get actual citizens off their asses and down to the polls.)

[BTR1701]

Post by moviePig

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
No one would routinely carry such documents.

Thanks to Harris, now we need to.

...because an illegal's dearest wish upon coming into the U.S.is to
commit a low-gain high-cost felony like voter fraud.

Nah, their dearest wish is to get those free debit cards loaded with thousands
of dollars of Americans' tax money.

As for committing crimes, they've shown quite conclusively that committing
high-cost felonies (like armed takeovers of entire apartment blocks and
extorting the residents for protection money) isn't anything they're hesitant
to do. And the continued failure of government at all levels to do anything
about it only emboldens them to commit more and varied felonies.

[suzeeq]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time. But unless
they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

[BTR1701]

Post by suzeeq

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time.
But unless they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

I never had to prove citizenship when I registered here in California. All I
had to do was check 'yes' on the form and mail it in. Voila! I was on the
voter rolls.

[suzeeq]

Post by BTR1701

Post by suzeeq

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time.
But unless they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

I never had to prove citizenship when I registered here in California. All I
had to do was check 'yes' on the form and mail it in. Voila! I was on the
voter rolls.

I think I mighta had to declare that I was.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing

states to KEEP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time. But unless
they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

suzeeq, it's illegal for a noncitizen to register to vote. That doesn't
mean that their application for registration was rejected. There's a
difference. Election authorities lack direct access to any record
establishing citizenship with the exception that the applicant is
registering to vote in the same county he was born in, although they
still won't check birth certificates.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing

states to KEEP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time. But unless
they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

suzeeq, it's illegal for a noncitizen to register to vote.

It's also illegal for a non-citizen to enter the country without authorization
and other than at an official port of entry, yet nevertheless, 11 million of
them did that in the last three years.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
That doesn't
mean that their application for registration was rejected. There's a
difference. Election authorities lack direct access to any record
establishing citizenship with the exception that the applicant is
registering to vote in the same county he was born in, although they
still won't check birth certificates.

[suzeeq]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing

states to KEEP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on* the voter
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time. But unless
they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

suzeeq, it's illegal for a noncitizen to register to vote.

Of course I know that, it's what I said above. Don't mansplain it to me.

That doesn't

Post by Adam H. Kerman
mean that their application for registration was rejected. There's a
difference. Election authorities lack direct access to any record
establishing citizenship with the exception that the applicant is
registering to vote in the same county he was born in, although they
still won't check birth certificates.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing

states to KEEP

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote.

They can't

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits by
state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on*

the voter

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

Yeah, when they first *register* to vote, not every time. But unless
they've become citizens they wouldn't even be allowed to register.

suzeeq, it's illegal for a noncitizen to register to vote.

Of course I know that, it's what I said above. Don't mansplain it to me.

I wasn't. There's no good way for a voter registrar to check citizenship
without seeing the birth certificate. So it's not entirely impossible
for a noncitizen to register to vote with all the required documentation
as long as showing a birth certificate isn't required.

Post by BTR1701
That doesn't

Post by Adam H. Kerman
mean that their application for registration was rejected. There's a
difference. Election authorities lack direct access to any record
establishing citizenship with the exception that the applicant is
registering to vote in the same county he was born in, although they
still won't check birth certificates.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 02:20:29 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I wasn't. There's no good way for a voter registrar to check citizenship
without seeing the birth certificate. So it's not entirely impossible
for a noncitizen to register to vote with all the required documentation
as long as showing a birth certificate isn't required.

Isn't one's place of birth shown on a person's passport? So unless
your passport says you're foreign born I would expect that to be
obvious.

I know I've been asked to show ID at the polling station not to prove
citizenship but to demonstrate I still live in the electoral district
(which is important as our recent provincial election was fought on
new boundaries and next year's federal election will be too).

Generaly they'll accept any document that shows your address - utility
bills are their "other document" of choice - since if your postal code
is within the expected range you're good. Though in our election two
weeks ago I just had my driver's licence (which they asked for) and my
passport (which they didn't).

(I made a point of asking them "how many people are registered to vote
with my address?" since my wife had passed since the last election and
wanted to make sure she wasn't still registered)

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I wasn't. There's no good way for a voter registrar to check citizenship
without seeing the birth certificate. So it's not entirely impossible
for a noncitizen to register to vote with all the required documentation
as long as showing a birth certificate isn't required.

Isn't one's place of birth shown on a person's passport? So unless
your passport says you're foreign born I would expect that to be
obvious.

Huh? If there is to be a citizenship check at voter registration, then
the voter registrar being shown a passport hasn't performed the
citizenship check himself; the State Department did.

Post by The Horny Goat
I know I've been asked to show ID at the polling station not to prove
citizenship but to demonstrate I still live in the electoral district
(which is important as our recent provincial election was fought on
new boundaries and next year's federal election will be too).
Generaly they'll accept any document that shows your address - utility
bills are their "other document" of choice - since if your postal code
is within the expected range you're good. Though in our election two
weeks ago I just had my driver's licence (which they asked for) and my
passport (which they didn't).
(I made a point of asking them "how many people are registered to vote
with my address?" since my wife had passed since the last election and
wanted to make sure she wasn't still registered)

Ok. As you point out that's a residency check and isn't relevant to the
concerns raised in this thread that there is a very large number of
noncitizens on the voting rolls, illegally registered, and therefore a
citizenship check is required each time the voter votes.

Everyone is talking at cross purposes in this thread.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:38:22 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Huh? If there is to be a citizenship check at voter registration, then
the voter registrar being shown a passport hasn't performed the
citizenship check himself; the State Department did.

Many non-citizens have Canadian or US passports, but if the
citizenship is foreign it's declared in the passport. When my parents
lived in the US Mom had a US passport (and SSID - wish I had it now as
proof!) Similarly my father before he took Canadian citizenship.

Similarly my daughter (who has 3 nationalities, Canadian, British and
Polish - how she got the Polish passport is a long story but her
maternal grandfather was born in Poland) has 3 passports. When going
on vacation in continental Europe she prefers to use the Polish
passport as she likes to use the EU line when in Europe though her
British boyfriend hasn't been able to since Brexit.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states
to KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits
by state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on*
the voter rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

I refuse to support a policy that would deny any American the right to
vote for failure to carry such a document, and I can't believe you
support such a policy taking away a citizen's right.

Here are original documents accepted by the State Department to prove
citizenship for the purpose of issuance of a new passport:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html

Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you; no one
does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US passport" even
if it's no longer valid. A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.

You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does. I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
No one would routinely carry such documents.

Thanks to Harris, now we need to.

Right. The correct mitigation for any adverse consequence is for everyone
else to shoot themselves in the foot.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states
to KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits
by state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on*
the voter rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

I refuse to support a policy that would deny any American the right to
vote for failure to carry such a document, and I can't believe you
support such a policy taking away a citizen's right.

Yet I have to show an ID to buy a gun (gun ownership is a constitutionally
guaranteed right) and no one's worked up that failure to carry such a document
potentially takes away a citizen's right.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Here are original documents accepted by the State Department to prove
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html
Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you

I'd happily do so if they made it a law.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
no one does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US passport"
even
if it's no longer valid.

I've got one of those, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.
You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does.

I carry it when I know I'm going to need it, i.e., when I fly because I don't
have a RealID. And I'd happily carry it to the polls, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

Voting isn't something that sneaks up on you and catches unaware without the
proper documents. It's not a surprise. I'd have no problem digging the birth
certificate out of the filing cabinet to go to the polls.

It's essentially no different than applying for a DL at the DMV. They require
you to bring a whole bunch of documents you don't normally carry around with
you. That doesn't make the requirement invalid. It's a special occasion so you
dig up those documents before you go because you know you're going to need
them.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

I refuse to support a policy that would deny any American the right to
vote for failure to carry such a document, and I can't believe you
support such a policy taking away a citizen's right.

Yet I have to show an ID to buy a gun (gun ownership is a constitutionally
guaranteed right) and no one's worked up that failure to carry such a document
potentially takes away a citizen's right.

Uh, Clarence Thomas? At some point, that position will prevail.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Here are original documents accepted by the State Department to prove
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html
Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you

I'd happily do so if they made it a law.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
no one does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US
passport" even if it's no longer valid.

I've got one of those, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.
You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does.

I carry it when I know I'm going to need it, i.e., when I fly because I don't
have a RealID. And I'd happily carry it to the polls, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

Voting isn't something that sneaks up on you and catches unaware without the
proper documents. It's not a surprise. I'd have no problem digging the birth
certificate out of the filing cabinet to go to the polls.
It's essentially no different than applying for a DL at the DMV. They require
you to bring a whole bunch of documents you don't normally carry around with
you. That doesn't make the requirement invalid. It's a special occasion so you
dig up those documents before you go because you know you're going to need
them.

Of course it's different. As long as I renewed my driver's license
before it expired, I never needed to show any original document till I
applied for REAL ID. I don't carry original documents each and every
time I drive.

An argument that someone raise months ago about the National Voter
Registration Act of 1993 (Motor Voter) made the obvious point -- that I
admit I hadn't considered -- that the check against the state driver's
license database or SSN database isn't a citizenship check.

The solution is straightforward. Since date of birth and Social Security
Number are verified by the state as part of the driver's license
application, then allow the voter registration process to take advantage
of this already verified information, an expansion of Motor Voter.

We already do enumeration at birth -- joint application for Social
Security Number and birth certificate. Maintain the birth certificate in
the SSN database (which isn't done right now), giving it to the states.
Add to that a verification of the primary residence at time of initial
driver's license application, then make the combined database available
to county clerks when verifying the voter registration.

This, then, does not rely upon the driver's license database for
citizenship verification, which it cannot do.

Note that Americans born abroad would have to add the consular record to
establish that they are natural born citizens.

Immigrants are enumerated when obtaining their visas if eligible to
work, so if they later naturalize, add that to the federal record then
share it with the states.

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

I refuse to support a policy that would deny any American the right to
vote for failure to carry such a document, and I can't believe you
support such a policy taking away a citizen's right.

Yet I have to show an ID to buy a gun (gun ownership is a constitutionally
guaranteed right) and no one's worked up that failure to carry such a document
potentially takes away a citizen's right.

Uh, Clarence Thomas? At some point, that position will prevail.

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Here are original documents accepted by the State Department to prove
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html
Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you

I'd happily do so if they made it a law.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
no one does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US
passport" even if it's no longer valid.

I've got one of those, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.
You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does.

I carry it when I know I'm going to need it, i.e., when I fly because I don't
have a RealID. And I'd happily carry it to the polls, too.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

Voting isn't something that sneaks up on you and catches unaware without the
proper documents. It's not a surprise. I'd have no problem digging the birth
certificate out of the filing cabinet to go to the polls.
It's essentially no different than applying for a DL at the DMV. They require
you to bring a whole bunch of documents you don't normally carry around with
you. That doesn't make the requirement invalid. It's a special occasion so you
dig up those documents before you go because you know you're going to need
them.

Of course it's different. As long as I renewed my driver's license
before it expired, I never needed to show any original document till I
applied for REAL ID. I don't carry original documents each and every
time I drive.
An argument that someone raise months ago about the National Voter
Registration Act of 1993 (Motor Voter) made the obvious point -- that I
admit I hadn't considered -- that the check against the state driver's
license database or SSN database isn't a citizenship check.

Certainly not since some state governments started aiding abetting illegal
immigration by issuing DLs to illegals.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The solution is straightforward. Since date of birth and Social Security
Number are verified by the state as part of the driver's license
application, then allow the voter registration process to take advantage
of this already verified information, an expansion of Motor Voter.
We already do enumeration at birth -- joint application for Social
Security Number and birth certificate. Maintain the birth certificate in
the SSN database (which isn't done right now), giving it to the states.
Add to that a verification of the primary residence at time of initial
driver's license application, then make the combined database available
to county clerks when verifying the voter registration.
This, then, does not rely upon the driver's license database for
citizenship verification, which it cannot do.
Note that Americans born abroad would have to add the consular record to
establish that they are natural born citizens.
Immigrants are enumerated when obtaining their visas if eligible to
work, so if they later naturalize, add that to the federal record then
share it with the states.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 02:16:26 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
An argument that someone raise months ago about the National Voter
Registration Act of 1993 (Motor Voter) made the obvious point -- that I
admit I hadn't considered -- that the check against the state driver's
license database or SSN database isn't a citizenship check.

Stupid question perhaps but how old are American children typically
when they get their SSN?

Reason I'm asking is that tons of Canadian children get their SIN
(Social Insurance Number - the Canadian equivalent) as babies mostly
because Canada has a University Savings Program where parents +
grandparents can put money into it tax free on behalf of their kids
but a SIN # for the beneficiary is required.

Meaning that when I gave my son money for his daughter's education
fund he didn't set the fund up till she had her SIN # (she's now 2
1/2) since that would forfeit the tax deduction.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman
An argument that someone raise months ago about the National Voter
Registration Act of 1993 (Motor Voter) made the obvious point -- that I
admit I hadn't considered -- that the check against the state driver's
license database or SSN database isn't a citizenship check.

Stupid question perhaps but how old are American children typically
when they get their SSN?

As I pointed out in the part of the followup you didn't quote,
typically, children are enumerated at birth. The person charged with
reporting the birth (doctor or some clerk at the hospital, others) fills
out a joint application for SSN and birth certificate.

If the child isn't enumerated at birth, then the birth certificate is
submitted to Social Security Administration later in life. It takes a
month to obtain the number.

Immigrants eligible for a visa that allows them to work in the United
States are enumerated via a joint application for that work visa and SSN.

I didn't get my SSN till I had to apply for my driver's license
learner's permit as the job I had as a kid -- caddy -- made me an
independent contractor (working for specific golfers, not the country
club) and they weren't required to give me an information return. Any
other job, I'd have needed to get an SSN sooner.

Because there used to be significant numbers of ficticious dependents
claimed on tax returns, the claim cannot be made without reporting the
SSN, hence enumeration at birth.

Post by The Horny Goat
. . .

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:24:26 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Because there used to be significant numbers of ficticious dependents
claimed on tax returns, the claim cannot be made without reporting the
SSN, hence enumeration at birth.

Thanks - I don't recall what the state of things was in Canada when my
children (now 37, 35, 33) were born but these days it's common for
kids to be 'ennumerated' at birth or at least before their first
birthday due to federal programs such as education savings plans and
so forth and also the program whose name I can't remember but is known
as the "baby bonus". (It was $25/month per child when my kids were
small, no doubt more now)

I know our three had theirs before entering grade 1 but I can't recall
specifically at what age.

[NoBody]

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 20:18:35 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by BTR1701
How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states
to KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?
https://x.com/AGAndrewBailey/status/1851327960210669840
DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS AND MEDIA PUNDITS: Non-citizens can't vote. They can't
even register to vote, you conspiracy theorist election denier!
ME: Then why is the Biden-Harris admin suing states or funding lawsuits
by state officials to keep hundreds of thousands of non-citizens *on*
the voter rolls?
THEM: <crickets>

Don't make me defend the Biden justice department.
You missed the news reports that federal law prohibits such a massive
purge within 90 days of this election. The state waited way the hell too
long.
Also, Justice says that the purge information used was highly flawed.
How exactly does state government have such a list? Even the federal
govenment has no such list.
Not this crap again.
You've been wrong about this for years, and it would not address the issue
you raise here.
You would want a voter who is properly registered and qualified to prove
citizenship -- not just identity -- each and every time he votes.

Well, after 11 million illegals were allowed to flood into the country in an
unprecedented failure of government, proving citizenship just sounds like
common sense to me.

I refuse to support a policy that would deny any American the right to
vote for failure to carry such a document, and I can't believe you
support such a policy taking away a citizen's right.

That is a ridiculous position given that ID is required for virtually
everything. Not having it for voting is a clear invitation for
illegals to vote.

[The Horny Goat]

On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 20:18:35 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you; no one
does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US passport" even
if it's no longer valid. A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.
You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does. I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

While I'm not an American I have most of my old passports in my drawer
(along with those of my parents and wife, all regretably departed) Had
my wallet stolen some 20 years ago with my pocket size birth
certificate but Canada accepts a previous passport as documentation
for a new one. (Even if it's expired as opposed to "about to be
expired") They check the photo but only get serious if they think
there's something sketchy going on.

A >LOT< of Canadians who had never gotten a passport before 9/11
suddenly did afterwards since following 9/11 US Immigration (who
controls the border crossing) began requiring passports to enter the
US.

There are several US counties whose economies depend on Canadian trade
- such as Bellingham, WA (seat of Whatcom Co, WA) that have a CBS
affiliate there mostly because it's a town of 80000 within non-cable
TV viewing range of the Canadian border.

Of course not all US cities within TV range depend on the Canadian
trade (Buffalo, NY being an obvious example - it doesn't depend on
Toronto though Toronto is much closer to Buffalo than is NYC)

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Basically, it's a birth certificate that meets specific criteria for
those born in the United States. You don't carry this with you; no one
does. They will also accept a "full validity undamaged US passport" even
if it's no longer valid. A child might use an unexpired passport to
receive his first passport as an adult, I guess, otherwise I don't
understand why one with a valid passport would apply for another first
passport, instead of just renewing it.
You've stated that you carry a passport domestically; nearly no one else
does. I'm sure you never carry your birth certificate unless there's a
reason to show it; no one would.

While I'm not an American I have most of my old passports in my drawer
(along with those of my parents and wife, all regretably departed) Had
my wallet stolen some 20 years ago with my pocket size birth
certificate but Canada accepts a previous passport as documentation
for a new one. (Even if it's expired as opposed to "about to be
expired") They check the photo but only get serious if they think
there's something sketchy going on.

The US State Department passport issuance agency accepts expired adult
passports if they were issued less than 15 years ago.

Post by The Horny Goat
A >LOT< of Canadians who had never gotten a passport before 9/11
suddenly did afterwards since following 9/11 US Immigration (who
controls the border crossing) began requiring passports to enter the
US.

If they aren't flying, there's the passport card plus the
Canadian-issued NEXUS card for self check in when crossing the border.

Post by The Horny Goat
. . .

[danny burstein]

In <vg8iua$g8ue$***@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <***@chinet.com> writes:

[snip]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
If they aren't flying, there's the passport card plus the
Canadian-issued NEXUS card for self check in when crossing the border.

Putting aside the whole issue of mandating ID for flying,
could someone explain to me, like I was 5, why the US
"Passport Card", while acceptable for land/sea crossing
into the US, isn't valid for flying?

It's the same [expletive delted] data base lookup...

[The Horny Goat]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 19:29:14 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman
If they aren't flying, there's the passport card plus the
Canadian-issued NEXUS card for self check in when crossing the border.

Actually NEXUS is a joint US Canada program. When I got mine I had to
register at the office in the Blaine, WA border crossing. (That's the
main crossing S of Vancouver, BC) I know at least one of my American
cousins has a NEXUS card, don't know whether she had to go to the
Canadian office to register or to the US office (which are about 200
yards apart with the 49th parallel running between).

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by The Horny Goat

Post by Adam H. Kerman
If they aren't flying, there's the passport card plus the
Canadian-issued NEXUS card for self check in when crossing the border.

Actually NEXUS is a joint US Canada program. When I got mine I had to
register at the office in the Blaine, WA border crossing. (That's the
main crossing S of Vancouver, BC) I know at least one of my American
cousins has a NEXUS card, don't know whether she had to go to the
Canadian office to register or to the US office (which are about 200
yards apart with the 49th parallel running between).

It used to be administered by the Canadian government; maybe that's no
longer the case.

[The Horny Goat]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:14:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by The Horny Goat
Actually NEXUS is a joint US Canada program. When I got mine I had to
register at the office in the Blaine, WA border crossing. (That's the
main crossing S of Vancouver, BC) I know at least one of my American
cousins has a NEXUS card, don't know whether she had to go to the
Canadian office to register or to the US office (which are about 200
yards apart with the 49th parallel running between).

It used to be administered by the Canadian government; maybe that's no
longer the case.

I'm pretty sure my brother would have told me (he's kept his up I
haven't) I'm pretty sure you have to register at the other country's
office.