ICE Is On The Move

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags down and
booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

Is Trump doing anything beyond threatening the sanctuary jurisdictions
to stop them from protecting the illegals? I realize he's only been in
office a few days but he and his team really seem to have hit the ground
running so it seems reasonable to ask.

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Rhino

BTR1701

2025-01-24 18:52:14 UTC

Post by Rhino

Well, harboring an illegal is a crime and it's an open question whether
keeping ICE away from illegals who are in jails and prisons qualify as
harboring.

moviePig

2025-01-24 20:27:23 UTC

Us townsfolk wanna' know is there a picnic after the hangin'...

BTR1701

2025-01-24 20:44:53 UTC

Post by moviePig

Us townsfolk wanna' know is there a picnic after the hangin'...

As if just being sent back to your country is equivalent to executing
someone.

And if you're a piece of shit rapist or sicario and going home means having to
face some unpleasant people who are going to give you a bad time, well, fuck
around and find out.

moviePig

2025-01-24 21:35:34 UTC

Post by moviePig

Us townsfolk wanna' know is there a picnic after the hangin'...

As if just being sent back to your country is equivalent to executing
someone.
And if you're a piece of shit rapist or sicario and going home means having to
face some unpleasant people who are going to give you a bad time, well, fuck
around and find out.

Correct me if I'm right, but... isn't that Fox video celebrating the
deportation (i.e., hanging) of these criminals with an implication that
*all* our forthcoming deportations are likewise so clearly "deserved"?

Regardless, it's the *celebration* that's distasteful ...just as it was
back when everyone would don his Sunday best to attend a necktie party.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 00:18:12 UTC

Us townsfolk wanna' know is there a picnic after the hangin'...

As if just being sent back to your country is equivalent to executing
someone.
And if you're a piece of shit rapist or sicario and going home means having to
face some unpleasant people who are going to give you a bad time, well, fuck
around and find out.

I don't know what you're talking about. It's not celebrating' anything.
It's merely reporting on ICE's deportation efforts in Boston.

Post by moviePig
Regardless, it's the *celebration* that's distasteful

Whatever, dude. Again, I don't see any celebrating there within the
commonly accepted English language definition of the word.

*I*, on the other hand, am very much celebrating the return of immigration
enforcement in this country. If you find that distasteful, oh well. Sucks
to be you, I guess.

moviePig

2025-01-25 04:00:07 UTC

Us townsfolk wanna' know is there a picnic after the hangin'...

As if just being sent back to your country is equivalent to executing
someone.
And if you're a piece of shit rapist or sicario and going home means having to
face some unpleasant people who are going to give you a bad time, well, fuck
around and find out.

I don't know what you're talking about. It's not celebrating' anything.
It's merely reporting on ICE's deportation efforts in Boston.

Post by moviePig
Regardless, it's the *celebration* that's distasteful

Whatever, dude. Again, I don't see any celebrating there within the
commonly accepted English language definition of the word.
*I*, on the other hand, am very much celebrating the return of immigration
enforcement in this country. If you find that distasteful, oh well. Sucks
to be you, I guess.

Inasmuch as "the return of immigration enforcement" won't consist
entirely -- or even primarily -- of these low-digit Public Enemies, I
wonder if Fox will be covering the ejection of otherwise model citizens.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-24 21:13:32 UTC

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
booting out criminals.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/

If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.

Trump is making a mockery of all this.

BTR1701

2025-01-24 21:28:54 UTC

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
booting out criminals.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won’t allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.

They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-24 22:26:00 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targetting specific
aliens for removal.

But a school isn't open to the general public and an administrative
warrant isn't authority to enter locations that require consent to
enter.

This is a transcript of basic federal law enforcement training on the
issue:

https://www.fletc.gov/ice-administrative-removal-warrants-mp3

danny burstein

2025-01-24 22:30:55 UTC

[snip]

Post by BTR1701
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

Eyup, Law Enforcement Agencies will make that claim (as will
their colleagues in other gov't agencies). And that's all
it is.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
https://www.fletc.gov/ice-administrative-removal-warrants-mp3

Pretty good summary there.

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Your Name

2025-01-25 05:16:29 UTC

Post by danny burstein
[snip]

Post by BTR1701
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants.
They have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to
get Congress to change the law, but until then, they don't have the
authority to refuse to comply. If they try, they can be arrested for
obstruction.

Eyup, Law Enforcement Agencies will make that claim (as will
their colleagues in other gov't agencies). And that's all
it is.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
https://www.fletc.gov/ice-administrative-removal-warrants-mp3

Pretty good summary there.

Looks like the ice is threatening the penguins too ...

Giant iceberg on crash course with island,
putting penguins and seals in danger
<https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd64vvg4z6go>

:-p

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-25 02:11:50 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targetting specific
aliens for removal.
But a school isn't open to the general public and an administrative
warrant isn't authority to enter locations that require consent to
enter.
This is a transcript of basic federal law enforcement training on the
https://www.fletc.gov/ice-administrative-removal-warrants-mp3

Also apparently BY LAW local authorities CAN NOT do immigration arrests.
Its a Federal Only authority.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 02:59:26 UTC

Post by Dimensional Traveler

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targetting specific
aliens for removal.
But a school isn't open to the general public and an administrative
warrant isn't authority to enter locations that require consent to
enter.
This is a transcript of basic federal law enforcement training on the
https://www.fletc.gov/ice-administrative-removal-warrants-mp3

Also apparently BY LAW local authorities CAN NOT do immigration arrests.
Its a Federal Only authority.

No one's asking them to make arrests for immigration violations, just not to
obstruct federal agents doing so based on long-standing constitutional
authority.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 04:31:50 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal law
either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or defining it as
obstruction not to. No more of these local cities deciding whether they will
or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it,
then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the
inside of the jailhouse.

moviePig

2025-01-25 16:35:51 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 18:24:00 UTC

Post by moviePig

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

EGK

2025-01-25 18:34:08 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

I went to a local bookstore yesterday. It's run by Liberals. I asked for a
copy of Trump's new book on immigration. They yelled "Get the fuck out!" I
said, "yes, that's the one".

BTR1701

2025-01-25 18:47:13 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

I went to a local bookstore yesterday. It's run by Liberals. I asked for a
copy of Trump's new book on immigration. They yelled "Get the fuck out!" I
said, "Yes, that's the one".

LOL!

moviePig

2025-01-25 19:34:58 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary politicians
want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it. ("First they came for...")

We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 19:42:34 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal law
either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it
as
obstruction not to. No more of these local cities deciding whether they will
or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it,
then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

So we should keep other countries' murderers and rapists, and allow them to
potentially victimize American citizens in the future when we're in a position
to prevent it, because of some old poem that gives you the goosebumps?

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!

For fuck's sake...

moviePig

2025-01-25 20:26:57 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal law
either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it
as
obstruction not to. No more of these local cities deciding whether they will
or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do
it,
then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

What I object to is an attempt to synonymize 'illegal alien' with
'murderer' and 'rapist'. Especially inasmuch as:

"The offending rates of undocumented immigrants were consistently
lower than both U.S.-born citizens and documented immigrants for
assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson."

As we throw out more and more of these people, let's not pretend our
protectionism is about "making America safe".

BTR1701

2025-01-25 20:45:53 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they
will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to
refuse to do
it, then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they
like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

What I object to is an attempt to synonymize 'illegal alien' with
'murderer' and 'rapist'.

No, you were objecting to deporting illegal alien criminals, even violent
ones, because it sounded (to you) too much like an old scary poem.

Apparently American taxpayers are required to either endure their predations
out in society or pay to fund their stay in our jails and prisons in order to
protect the feelz of swooning leftists who get the vapors over the imagined
connection between legitimate, constitutional immigration enforcement and old
hackneyed poetry.

This is strikingly similar to the leftists who seem to believe an old poem
inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty forms the basis for American
immigration law and policy and not only has the force of law but trumps any
statute to the contrary passed by Congress.

Post by moviePig
"The offending rates of undocumented immigrants were consistently
lower than both U.S.-born citizens and documented immigrants for
assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson."

Yes, that was before Biden threw open the border to all comers and countries
like Venezuela took advantage by emptying out their prisons and sending them
north.

Post by moviePig
As we throw out more and more of these people, let's not pretend our
protectionism is about "making America safe".

I'm always amazed by the bald-faced incoherence of the Left's position on
illegal immigration. On the one hand, they insist that America is systemically
racist, illegitimately founded, built on stolen land, and rotten to its core
(and now it's being run by a fascist dictator), but on the other hand they
expect us to see it as a great tragedy that illegal aliens aren't allowed to
come here.

I mean, aren't we doing them a favor by barring them entry and sending them
back when we find them? Aren't they better off in their own countries?
Shouldn't it be leftists on the border shouting at the illegals, "No, don't
come here, it's horrible! We have capitalism, for the love of god. Save
yourselves!"

If what the Left is constantly saying about America is true, it would be our
moral duty to try and save the illegals from our racist, xenophobic, fascist
Nazi hellscape of a country.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 20:47:51 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they
will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to
refuse to do
it, then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they
like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

What I object to is an attempt to synonymize 'illegal alien' with
'murderer' and 'rapist'.

Yes, that was before Biden threw open the border to all comers and countries
like Venezuela took advantage by emptying out their prisons and sending them
north.

Post by moviePig
As we throw out more and more of these people, let's not pretend our
protectionism is about "making America safe".

moviePig

2025-01-25 22:16:33 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they
will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to
refuse to do
it, then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they
like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

What I object to is an attempt to synonymize 'illegal alien' with
'murderer' and 'rapist'.

No, you were objecting to deporting illegal alien criminals, even violent
ones, because it sounded (to you) too much like an old scary poem.
Apparently American taxpayers are required to either endure their predations
out in society or pay to fund their stay in our jails and prisons in order to
protect the feelz of swooning leftists who get the vapors over the imagined
connection between legitimate, constitutional immigration enforcement and old
hackneyed poetry.
This is strikingly similar to the leftists who seem to believe an old poem
inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty forms the basis for American
immigration law and policy and not only has the force of law but trumps any
statute to the contrary passed by Congress.

Yes, that was before Biden threw open the border to all comers and countries
like Venezuela took advantage by emptying out their prisons and sending them
north.

Post by moviePig
As we throw out more and more of these people, let's not pretend our
protectionism is about "making America safe".

I'm always amazed by the bald-faced incoherence of the Left's position on
illegal immigration. On the one hand, they insist that America is systemically
racist, illegitimately founded, built on stolen land, and rotten to its core
(and now it's being run by a fascist dictator), but on the other hand they
expect us to see it as a great tragedy that illegal aliens aren't allowed to
come here.
I mean, aren't we doing them a favor by barring them entry and sending them
back when we find them? Aren't they better off in their own countries?
Shouldn't it be leftists on the border shouting at the illegals, "No, don't
come here, it's horrible! We have capitalism, for the love of god. Save
yourselves!"
If what the Left is constantly saying about America is true, it would be our
moral duty to try and save the illegals from our racist, xenophobic, fascist
Nazi hellscape of a country.

I doubt there's a monolithic Left that subscribes to that position, even
here on r.a.t. Iirc, I even get pushback when I assert that everyone
wants to be a free, white, American male. (Meanwhile, we're lucky to
have our steel-jawed Congress resisting a fascist dictatorship...)

Post by BTR1701
...

Your Name

2025-01-25 21:23:05 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a
federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

So we should keep other countries' murderers and rapists, and allow them to
potentially victimize American citizens in the future when we're in a
position to prevent it, because of some old poem that gives you the
goosebumps?

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

What I object to is an attempt to synonymize 'illegal alien' with
"The offending rates of undocumented immigrants were consistently
lower than both U.S.-born citizens and documented immigrants for
assault, sexual assault, robbery, burglary, theft, and arson."
As we throw out more and more of these people, let's not pretend our
protectionism is about "making America safe".

That of course is obvious to anyone with more than one braincell
because most illegal immigrants would purposely want to draw as little
attention as possible so they aren't found out and sent back.

moviePig

2025-01-25 21:56:59 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a
federal law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE
detainers or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these
local cities deciding whether they will or will not honor valid
detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock
up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it.
("First they came for...")

So we should keep other countries' murderers and rapists, and allow them to
potentially victimize American citizens in the future when we're in a
position to prevent it, because of some old poem that gives you the
goosebumps?

Post by moviePig
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

They're ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!!
For fuck's sake...

That of course is obvious to anyone with more than one braincell because
most illegal immigrants would purposely want to draw as little attention
as possible so they aren't found out and sent back.

It does seem to be a no- (or one-cell) brainer. Yet few anti-immigrant
proponents seem openly willing to admit to protectionist concerns
(...which, hell, could be valid for all I know). Instead, we're shown a
blight of loathsome night-crawlers being purged from America's linen.

Your Name

2025-01-25 21:19:24 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary
politicians want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible
reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to
schools and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant
signed by a federal judge". School officials won't allow ICE agents
access based on administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other
document issued by an agency enforcing civil immigration law,"
officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants.
They have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to
get Congress to change the law, but until then, they don't have the
authority to refuse to comply. If they try, they can be arrested for
obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or
defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a
federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it. ("First they came for...")
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

BTR1701

2025-01-25 21:52:29 UTC

Post by moviePig
Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it. ("First they came for...")
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

Leftists never change.

1850s: "But without slaves, who will clean the toilets?"

2020s: "But without illegal aliens, who clean the toilets?"

moviePig

2025-01-25 22:54:02 UTC

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

Leftists never change.
1850s: "But without slaves, who will clean the toilets?"
2020s: "But without illegal aliens, who clean the toilets?"

Maybe we can get some murderer/rapists out on work-release...

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-26 02:14:22 UTC

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

Leftists never change.
1850s: "But without slaves, who will clean the toilets?"
2020s: "But without illegal aliens, who clean the toilets?"

It would be another two decades or so before you could buy a terlet from
Mr. Crapper's plumbing supply store.

suzeeq

2025-01-26 17:24:12 UTC

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

Leftists never change.
1850s: "But without slaves, who will clean the toilets?"
2020s: "But without illegal aliens, who clean the toilets?"

It would be another two decades or so before you could buy a terlet from
Mr. Crapper's plumbing supply store.

Will it be a self cleaning one?

Your Name

2025-01-26 22:47:47 UTC

Post by suzeeq

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

Leftists never change.
1850s: "But without slaves, who will clean the toilets?"
2020s: "But without illegal aliens, who clean the toilets?"

It would be another two decades or so before you could buy a terlet from
Mr. Crapper's plumbing supply store.

Will it be a self cleaning one?

Yes ... you do clean it yourself, unless your rich / lazy enough to pay
someone else to clean it for you. :-p

moviePig

2025-01-25 22:18:22 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary
politicians want in this country for some fucked up
incomprehensible reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these
shitbags down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/
avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-
at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for
their high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces
local cooperation.

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access
to schools and facilities "unless they produce a criminal
judicial warrant signed by a federal judge". School officials
won't allow ICE agents access based on administrative warrants,
ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency enforcing
civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are
warrants. They have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that,
they can try to get Congress to change the law, but until then,
they don't have the authority to refuse to comply. If they try,
they can be arrested for obstruction.

First of all, we don't know what paperwork was presented, if any. My
guess is they just wanted to question people without targeting specific
aliens for removal.

Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a
federal law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE
detainers or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these
local cities deciding whether they will or will not honor valid
detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up
a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the inside
of the jailhouse.

Might be hard to legislate away a natural reluctance to administer harm.

Yes, because dumping illegal alien criminal shitbags back into their own
country is 'harm'.

Fwiw, it does appear they're going after the 'bad actors' first, but
even that has an ominous ring to it. ("First they came for...")
We have laws that address crime. Deportation seems like an end-run.

Trump the Chump will soon be complaining when he can't find anyone to
clean the White House toilets, mow his lawns, etc., at least without
paying 10 times as much in wages. :-p

He can litter his surroundings with 'meme coins'...

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-25 18:32:33 UTC

. . .

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 18:48:51 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal law
either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers or defining it as
obstruction not to. No more of these local cities deciding whether they will
or will not honor valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it,
then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they like the
inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism we've had
to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be extremely minor.

(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-25 20:24:36 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism we've had
to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 20:49:23 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism we've had
to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the detainer
requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they have in their
jail.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-25 22:12:57 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism we've had
to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the detainer
requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they have in their
jail.

Without first finding these state and local laws unconstitutional? I'm
not sure about that.

BTR1701

2025-01-25 22:50:17 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism we've had
to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the detainer
requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they have in their
jail.

Without first finding these state and local laws unconstitutional?

They don't have to be found unconstitutional. Federal law can merely define
defying a detainer as an obstruction of federal immigration law.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-26 00:11:43 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism
we've had to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be
extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the detainer
requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they have in their
jail.

Without first finding these state and local laws unconstitutional?

They don't have to be found unconstitutional. Federal law can merely define
defying a detainer as an obstruction of federal immigration law.

You want the poor desk sergeant or chief bailliff at a courthourse or
warden at the county jail to be between a rock and a hard place,
violating state or federal law? C'mon, it's not going to be your Commie
mayor facing those obstruction charges.

BTR1701

2025-01-26 19:21:27 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass a federal
law either requiring state and local cops to honor ICE detainers
or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of these local cities
deciding whether they will or will not honor valid detainers. Make it
a federal crime to refuse to do it, then lock up a few blue mayors or
police chiefs and see how they like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism
we've had to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be
extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the detainer
requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they have in their
jail.

Without first finding these state and local laws unconstitutional?

They don't have to be found unconstitutional. Federal law can merely define
defying a detainer as an obstruction of federal immigration law.

You want the poor desk sergeant or chief bailliff at a courthourse or
warden at the county jail to be between a rock and a hard place,
violating state or federal law?

Federal law is supreme in matters of federal jurisdiction. Any state law that
conflicts with a federal law is void on its face. One can't (validly) be
prosecuted for obeying the law.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
C'mon, it's not going to be your Commie
mayor facing those obstruction charges.

It ought to be. And if it can be shown the commie mayor issued the order to
the police or jail guards, it would be if I was in charge.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-26 19:54:53 UTC

Post by BTR1701
Since we currently have control of Congress, they should pass
a federal law either requiring state and local cops to honor
ICE detainers or defining it as obstruction not to. No more of
these local cities deciding whether they will or will not honor
valid detainers. Make it a federal crime to refuse to do it,
then lock up a few blue mayors or police chiefs and see how they
like the inside of the jailhouse.

Congress doesn't have the power to criminalize this per federalism.

(1) That ship sailed long ago. Of all the intrusions on federalism
we've had to endure (and continue to have to endure) this would be
extremely minor.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to regain federalism.

Post by BTR1701
(2) That's why making it an obstruction offense would be the way to go.

What are you going to do, charge the legislature with the crime? Some
states have laws against this.

No, the mayor or the police chief who orders their cops to defy the
detainer requiring them to hand over the criminal illegal alien they
have in their jail.

Without first finding these state and local laws unconstitutional?

They don't have to be found unconstitutional. Federal law can merely define
defying a detainer as an obstruction of federal immigration law.

You want the poor desk sergeant or chief bailliff at a courthourse or
warden at the county jail to be between a rock and a hard place,
violating state or federal law?

Federal law is supreme in matters of federal jurisdiction. Any state law that
conflicts with a federal law is void on its face. One can't (validly) be
prosecuted for obeying the law.

I understand the interplay between the supremacy clause and federalism
generally. But I don't agree that federal supremacy prevents these cops,
guards, and bailiffs any rights not to be prosecuted under state law.

Trump doesn't have the integrity to defend them and state and local
politicians will make sure they are made examples of.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
C'mon, it's not going to be your Commie mayor facing those obstruction
charges.

It ought to be. And if it can be shown the commie mayor issued the order to
the police or jail guards, it would be if I was in charge.

But you're not. The world isn't the way you wish it to be, and you know
I'm right that the guy who is going to get fucked over is not going to
be able to afford that high-priced defense attorney to keep him out of
prison, let alone keep his job.

anim8rfsk

2025-01-25 02:14:20 UTC

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
booting out criminals.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities "unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won’t allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

And let’s hope they are.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Your Name

2025-01-25 05:13:18 UTC

Post by BTR1701
These are the people Joe Biden and Kammie and all the sanctuary
politicians want in this country for some fucked up incomprehensible
reason.
Well, Trump removed ICE's muzzle and they're tracking these shitbags
down and booting them out of America.
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1882527846054100992/vid/avc1/1280x720/-WKAqLk34_BT3U17.mp4?tag=16

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
booting out criminals.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.

"Chicago Public Schools said it would not allow ICE agents access to schools
and facilities

I didn't even know Internal Combustion Engines had "agents". :-p

Post by BTR1701
"unless they produce a criminal judicial warrant signed by a
federal judge". School officials won’t allow ICE agents access based on
administrative warrants, ICE detainers "or other document issued by an agency
enforcing civil immigration law," officials said.
They don't get to make that call. Administrative warrants are warrants. They
have force of law. If Chicago doesn't like that, they can try to get Congress
to change the law, but until then, they don't have the authority to refuse to
comply. If they try, they can be arrested for obstruction.

BTR1701

2025-01-24 21:29:57 UTC

No, you can't defend Trump's new policies. They just showed up at a
Chicago elementary school, so clearly there is no prioritization for
booting out criminals.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/01/24/ice-agents-denied-entry-at-cps-school-in-back-of-the-yards/
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.
Trump is making a mockery of all this.

Whatever mockery there is, it pales in comparison to the mockery and outright
lawlessness we've been under for the last four years with Biden and Kammie.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-24 22:31:58 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
. . .
If Trump had wanted to make a point about lack of state and local
cooperation, they had days to obtain federal arrest warrants for their
high priority list of dangerous men to deport. That forces local
cooperation.
Trump is making a mockery of all this.

Whatever mockery there is, it pales in comparison to the mockery and outright
lawlessness we've been under for the last four years with Biden and Kammie.

I don't agree. Biden didn't have the moral high ground on this issue.
Trump could have easily taken the moral high ground and made himself
look tough on criminal aliens properly demonstrating that he was
prioritizing community safety, but he chose to go after children.

Biden set the bar so low on this issue that even Trump could have cleared it.

shawn

2025-01-25 00:16:16 UTC

On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 22:31:58 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"

Whatever mockery there is, it pales in comparison to the mockery and outright
lawlessness we've been under for the last four years with Biden and Kammie.

I don't agree. Biden didn't have the moral high ground on this issue.
Trump could have easily taken the moral high ground and made himself
look tough on criminal aliens properly demonstrating that he was
prioritizing community safety, but he chose to go after children.
Biden set the bar so low on this issue that even Trump could have cleared it.

Have you looked at Trump lately? I'm not sure there is bar so low he
could clear it.

Adam H. Kerman

2025-01-25 02:49:01 UTC