OT: Ukraine WH-meeting news coverage

[moviePig]

A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
with the headline:

QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE

(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)

Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

[Rhino]

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
   QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.

Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.

Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....

[23 minutes]

[moviePig]

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

[NoBody]

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Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

[suzeeq]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

[shawn]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Of course not. Trump planned that attack as an attempt to both
appease Putin and to possibly see Zelensky give in. Though anyone that
had been paying attention would have known that such an attempt to
bully Zelensky would fail.

Hell, we know it was planned given the press was there. Not the
typical American press, but yet the Russian press made it in. It may
have been planned to give Trump a reason to refuse to give the Ukraine
any further aid. Though given the response from Europe the plan to
make Ukraine give in to Russia's demands may have failed.

[suzeeq]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelenskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Of course not. Trump planned that attack as an attempt to both
appease Putin and to possibly see Zelensky give in. Though anyone that
had been paying attention would have known that such an attempt to
bully Zelensky would fail.
Hell, we know it was planned given the press was there. Not the
typical American press, but yet the Russian press made it in. It may
have been planned to give Trump a reason to refuse to give the Ukraine
any further aid. Though given the response from Europe the plan to
make Ukraine give in to Russia's demands may have failed.

All very likely.

[Ubiquitous]

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Post by suzeeq

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Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Of course not. Trump planned that attack

PALM BEACH — President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance did not plan to
tear into Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Friday, senior White House
officials told The Daily Wire.

Their reactions to the Ukrainian president’s remarks were their genuine
responses to Zelensky’s “antics and bad behavior,” a senior White House
official said, noting that the incident was not pre-planned.

“Absolutely not an ambush or pre-planned,” another senior White House official
shared. “We expected a great day, econ deal signing, and demonstration to the
world that we are partners” with Ukraine “and leading a movement to peace.”

Zelensky came in with “the same nonsense” that the White House had “been
dealing with” since Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent went to Kiev, the
official added. That official described Zelensky’s behavior as “intransigence”
and “a complete missed opportunity” for Ukraine.

After the skirmish, the United States officials and the Ukrainian officials
went to separate rooms — and shortly after that, National Security Advisor Mike
Waltz and Secretary of State Marco Rubio took a message to the Ukrainians: the
meetings of the day were over, and the Ukrainians needed to depart the White
House.

“Those around Zelensky seemed desperate to try to find a fix, but were told
wasn’t gonna happen that day,” the senior White House official explained.

The situation unravelled after Vance backed up the president “in a very
appropriate way” to a press question, the official said. When Zelensky heard
the word “diplomacy,” the Ukrainian president “started a downward spiral of
stupid.” That official noted that Vance and Trump are “100% in sync” and that
Vance is a “smart fighter and a staunch defender of POTUS.”

After the meeting, Trump announced that he was cancelling the planned press
conference with Zelensky, declaring the Ukrainian leader “not ready for Peace
if America is involved.” Zelensky departed shortly after Trump asked him to
leave, and has headed back overseas to Ukraine.

“We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today,” Trump said in a
statement on Friday afternoon. “Much was learned that could never be understood
without conversation under such fire and pressure.”

“It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that
President Zelenskyy is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he
feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations,” Trump
continued. “I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. He disrespected the United
States of America in its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he is
ready for Peace.”

“POTUS and VP were disrespected and right to defend our nation from Zelensky’s
stupid attitude that is built on years of Biden simply throwing more and more
American money at UKR with no endgame, no path for victory, and no path for
peace,” the official argued. “POTUS wants to end a brutal terrible war. It is
not at all clear to us what Zelensky wants.”

Zelensky, during an interview with Fox News’s Bret Baier on Friday evening,
thanked Trump and the American people for helping to save his country amid its
war against Russia. Asked if the United States and Ukraine’s relationship could
be salvaged after the meeting, he responded: “Yes, of course, because relations
is more than two presidents. The historical relations, strong relations between
our people, and that’s why I always begin with to thank your people from our
people. And this is the most important.”

“And of course, thankful to President and of course Congress, but first of all,
to your people,” he continued. “Your people helped to save our people.”

“This is very, very important, and we are thankful and sorry for this,” said
Zelensky. “I mean this, we wanted very much to have only strong relations, and
I very confident, we will have it.”

A senior White House official told The Daily Wire that the President of the
United States does indeed really want a deal with Ukraine. Trump wants to keep
moving Ukraine and Russia “toward peace, to stop the killing, and bring
stability to Europe,” the official said.

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Not a joke! Don't jump!

[Ubiquitous]

Post by shawn
Of course not. Trump planned that attack

And now it turns out it was the Dems who planned it.
He met with a bunch of them right before the meeting.

--
Not a joke! Don't jmump!

[moviePig]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
     QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology.  He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful.  It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Yes, because by accepting our aid, he cedes any claim to human dignity.

[suzeeq]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
     QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology.  He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful.  It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Yes, because by accepting our aid, he cedes any claim to human dignity.

Bull shit!

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by suzeeq

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Trump despises Zelenskyy. Events that were precursor to Trump's first
impeachment, Trump demanded that Ukraine trump up evidence versus Biden
that Biden was somehow complicit with the corrupt Ukraine oligarchs,
instead of trying to twist a corrupt Ukrainian administration into
prosecuting corrupt oligarchs as a condition of receiving American aid.
This was while Biden was Obama's vice president

At the time, Trump was supporting the Russian line on Ukraine and needed
something to use against Biden in the 2020 election. Trump didn't care
that it would have been almost entirely fictional.

I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian
transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy", a bit ironic
given centuries of Ukrainian objection to having had their language
suppressed as part of incorporation into Catherine the Great's empire
and as a Soviet republic.

Hell, I saw this in C-SPAN's graphics as well, a news organization that
is supposed to be entirely neutral.

[moviePig]

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Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect him
to be thankful for that?

Trump despises Zelenskyy. Events that were precursor to Trump's first
impeachment, Trump demanded that Ukraine trump up evidence versus Biden
that Biden was somehow complicit with the corrupt Ukraine oligarchs,
instead of trying to twist a corrupt Ukrainian administration into
prosecuting corrupt oligarchs as a condition of receiving American aid.
This was while Biden was Obama's vice president
At the time, Trump was supporting the Russian line on Ukraine and needed
something to use against Biden in the 2020 election. Trump didn't care
that it would have been almost entirely fictional.
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian
transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy", a bit ironic
given centuries of Ukrainian objection to having had their language
suppressed as part of incorporation into Catherine the Great's empire
and as a Soviet republic.
Hell, I saw this in C-SPAN's graphics as well, a news organization that
is supposed to be entirely neutral.

Interestingly, Fox News is the website adhering to the Ukrainian "skyy".

[BTR1701]

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian
transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy"

Since both are just Latin-alphabet phonetic approximations, how is either
distinctly Russian or Ukrainian or one more authoritative than the other?

This is reminiscent of the debate back in the 80s over how to spell Muammar
Qaddafi's name in the English language. There were about a dozen variations
going around: Khaddafi, Quadafi, etc. Since his actual name was Arabic, all
the English-language versions were just phonetic approximations of it and none
of them were the "correct" version.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I was noticing that certain American newspapers are using the Russian
transliteration "-sky" instead of the Ukrainian "-skyy"

Since both are just Latin-alphabet phonetic approximations, how is either
distinctly Russian or Ukrainian or one more authoritative than the other?

I don't want to sound like moviePig here, given that scholars figured
out the transliteration and not language police. But there are two
different pronunciations involved because the Ukrainian language is at
least three steps removed from the Russian language.

btw, I just looked up. The Ukrainian alphabet is a variation on
Cyrillic, which I didn't know.

Post by BTR1701
This is reminiscent of the debate back in the 80s over how to spell Muammar
Qaddafi's name in the English language. There were about a dozen variations
going around: Khaddafi, Quadafi, etc. Since his actual name was Arabic, all
the English-language versions were just phonetic approximations of it and none
of them were the "correct" version.

That one I've never understood. Transliterations from Arabic are
inconsistent, but some of that might be transliterations from different
dialects, of course.

Or, every newspaper consulted a different scholar of Arabic for advice
on their style manuals.

[super70s]

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Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.

The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.

There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

[suzeeq]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

Let's hope so.

[BTR1701]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

Let's hope so.

+1

[shawn]

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

Let's hope so.

+1

That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then so I'm unclear who else is likely to step
up in a 2027 campaign.

Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.

[BTR1701]

Post by shawn

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

Let's hope so.

+1

That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.

She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.

Post by shawn
Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.

But... but... what about Governor HairGel?

[shawn]

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn

Post by suzeeq

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s

Post by suzeeq

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

Trump was even more rude and downright bullied him. Then JD jumped in
and double down on it. They both provoked Zelienskyy, and you expect
him to be thankful for that?

Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

Let's hope so.

+1

That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.

She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.

Post by shawn
Other than Bernie Sanders I can't think of anyone that is outside the
two parties that could make a run for the Presidency.

But... but... what about Governor HairGel?

I suppose he would make a run but he's going to have to work harder to
get his name known nationally. I don't think people who aren't into
politics and live outside of California know much about the man.

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by BTR1701

Post by shawn
That would be nice but the truth is many of the likely Republican
candidates will just try to run as Trump 2.0. Not that any seem likely
to succeed but they are likely to see that as their best opportunity
to win the election. I'm not sure what the Democrats will do as the
only one that would run if he could and have a strong platform is
Bernie Sanders (yes, I know he is officially an Independent) , but he
will clearly be too old to run at that point. I don't see AOC making a
run for the Presidency then.

She is far too polarizing. The Democrats would be insane to nominate her.

Don't tempt us!

[super70s]

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by super70s
Vance thinks he's the heir to the MAGA throne. He's running for
president and assumes all these draconian Trump policies are going to
be popular after they've had four years to ripen on the vine, I
wouldn't bet on it. He gave the same kind of blustery "campaign speech"
in Germany last week.

No different than DeSantis running for the nomination in 2024. We have
learned that a Republican who isn't Trump will not be taken seriously by
Republican primary voters by running as an imitation Trump.
The only one Vance convinced was Trump himself, since he turned 180
degrees from condemning Trump to praising Trump.
There is no Republican Party without Trump. Trump has no annointed
successor. I guess they'll all have to run... as themselves... in the
2028 presidential primary season.

I doubt all those other Republican big egos particularly in the Senate
will give Vance a free pass to the nomination. Trump being as ornery as
he is will probably hold off on endorsing Vance so he doesn't pull a
Mike Pence and stand up to Trump at the end.

[Rhino]

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the person who's
giving you a ton of money.

I have seen Zelenskyy speak on many occasions and he ALWAYS expresses
his thanks for the aid various countries have given him. You've got a
funny idea of rude if you think sticking up for himself was rudeness.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Rhino
I have seen Zelenskyy speak on many occasions and he ALWAYS expresses
his thanks for the aid various countries have given him. You've got a
funny idea of rude if you think sticking up for himself was rudeness.

He wasn't "sticking up for himself". He was coping an attitude from the
start in that meeting qwith Trump, no doubt he was used to DoJ-certified
imbecile Resident Joke Biden being his warbucks bitch.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

He does owe Trump an apology. He was rude, ungracious, and
unthankful. It's never a good idea to try to lecture the
person who's giving you a ton of money.

Obviously, moviepig has been misinformed by the liberal media
about what transpired and bought into thier ORANGE MAD BAD
narrative. Again.

[Rhino]

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting
as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video
is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just
in case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.
I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's website (above)
leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*, ffs.

And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.

[moviePig]

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.

And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.

Actually, I seem to recall that Baier's ethics are somewhat esteemed.

[Ian J. Ball]

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.

And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.

Brett Baier has always been a straight shooter.

That said, I wonder how much longer he'll be at Fox - people who aren't
Trump bootlickers haven't done well at Fox lately, which is a real shame.

[shawn]

Post by Ian J. Ball

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.

And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.

Brett Baier has always been a straight shooter.
That said, I wonder how much longer he'll be at Fox - people who aren't
Trump bootlickers haven't done well at Fox lately, which is a real shame.

That's typically been my way of choosing who to watch. Whether on Fox
News, CNN or MSNBC I look for those that try to stick to the facts
without filling up time with loads of opinions. It's why I only
watched MORNING JOE back when things got serious like with 2008
housing crisis. Otherwise it's maybe watch for ten to fifteen minutes
to get the sense of what is happening before they start repeating
themselves over and over again.

[Ian J. Ball]

Post by shawn

Post by Ian J. Ball

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH
meeting as the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER
HEATED TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised
at how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate
doing that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended
video is going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway,
just in case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview.  That exception was that Baier opened
with -- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an
*apology*. I found that a true WTF moment ...similar to how Fox's
website (above) leads with a question about Zelensky's *resignation*,
ffs.

And yet he let Zelenskyy answer all of his questions without
interruption and did NOT accuse him of anything or condemn him. I'll bet
you weren't expecting THAT from Fox.

Brett Baier has always been a straight shooter.
That said, I wonder how much longer he'll be at Fox - people who aren't
Trump bootlickers haven't done well at Fox lately, which is a real shame.

That's typically been my way of choosing who to watch. Whether on Fox
News, CNN or MSNBC I look for those that try to stick to the facts
without filling up time with loads of opinions. It's why I only
watched MORNING JOE back when things got serious like with 2008
housing crisis. Otherwise it's maybe watch for ten to fifteen minutes
to get the sense of what is happening before they start repeating
themselves over and over again.

I don't watch "national news" at all anymore. (Read some, yes. Watch?
No.) And I barely watch local news as well, and that mostly for weather
and maybe stories about local public transpo or construction projects.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino
It really distresses you when the major media outlets don't all take
exactly the same "correct" line on the issues of the day, doesn't it?
You would have LOVED the Soviet Union back in the day or both
contemporary Russia and China: all the "news" outlets take the same line.
Just to REALLY undermine your sense of order, you should watch Brett
Baier's interview with Zelenskyy on Fox. You will be VERY surprised at
how he DOESN'T pile on to Zelenskyy.
Then again, you'd need to "invest" some time and I know you hate doing
that - unless of course you know in advance that a recommended video is
going to take the "progressive" line. But here it is anyway, just in
case....
http://youtu.be/GfqLcBwUT_E [23 minutes]

I watched the first half ...which, with one big exception, seemed a
relatively normal interview. That exception was that Baier opened with
-- and *pursued* -- a suggestion that Zelensky owed Trump an *apology*.

Thanks for making Rhino's point.

--
Not a joke! Don't jump!

[NoBody]

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.

Got it.

[moviePig]

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.

I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.

Got *that*?

[Rhino]

Post by moviePig

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.

I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?

In your progressive mind, only one reaction is correct and therefore
acceptable. That is abundantly clear. You don't seem to understand the
concept that in a democracy, a variety of views may exist and be freely
expressed EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.

"Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

[moviePig]

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
    QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.

I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?

In your progressive mind, only one reaction is correct and therefore
acceptable. That is abundantly clear. You don't seem to understand the
concept that in a democracy, a variety of views may exist and be freely
expressed EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.
"Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

My original post offers no comment on the various views expressed,
noting only that Fox alone seems to downplay the story's significance.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by moviePig

Post by Rhino

Post by moviePig

Post by NoBody

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC.  Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

So...you expect all the media to chant in unison.
Got it.

I expect an explanation for a stark departure from wide consensus.
Got *that*?

In your progressive mind, only one reaction is correct and therefore
acceptable. That is abundantly clear. You don't seem to understand the
concept that in a democracy, a variety of views may exist and be freely
expressed EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.
"Inside every leftist is a totalitarian screaming to get out."

My original post offers no comment on the various views expressed,
noting only that Fox alone seems to downplay the story's significance.

Backpeddling noted.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by moviePig
A quick glance at major TV news websites puts the Zelensky WH meeting as
the top story at ABC, CBS, and NBC. Fox, meanwhile, places it fourth,
QUESTIONS SWIRL AROUND POSSIBLE ZELENSKYY RESIGNATION AFTER HEATED
TRUMP EXCHANGE
(And Fox's next story gives Brett Favre's opinion on the WH debacle.)
Even now, this sort of schism still takes me by surprise...

You are still surprised by how the Liberal Media covers President Trump?

Really?